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waking up tomorrow...

you are such optimist, I envy you

just looked NYC-BKK $837 on ANA roundtrip October .....$925 Cathay $881 ANA from Lax

ignore them politely, do not engage in conversation, do not admit ( where applicable ) it your first time in Thailand or their bar. If they ask you anything, answer briefly without elaborating. If they ask you which boy you want tell them you like girls better. I do this all the time, nobody believes but everybody gets clear signal 'leave me alone". When nothing works stronger statement like ' I'm Ok , I don't need anything " or more sophisticated ' Me no speak English' may work'. In bars with twinks you may also say " I like only big boys like In Tawan", conversly in Tawan tell them you like small boys and if they show you their resident twink tell them he is still too big for you. if you visiting bar with somebody i.e. another forum member tell them you are with boyfriend. Never buy them a drink unless YOU want to. They are not rude , just opportunistic , if they sense we are weak in knees they exploit it. Don't be rude as at some point you may need their help, for translation for example. Then you turn all smiles but only then

Nothing wrong with Eva air prices from London in economy. Most dates, including December, £800 return. More or less same as before. Business is a different matter...over £3000. This is the pattern over all airlines. Reason is simply that people haven’t travelled for some time and have the money available. Airlines are taking advantage.

I agree that if your time is short and you really find him attractive then I think an extra US$27 is a small price to pay.

so when they move we will have all 3 boy bars in Patpong upstairs. Actually I think I like that concept, beer bars on street level and dens of sin level up

I envy you guys , LOL

To hear the word in question, go to Google Translate, choose Thai, paste in the word เงี่ยน (here I've done it for you: https://translate.google.com/?sl=th&tl=en&text=เงี่ยน&op=translate ) and click the "listen" icon (ignore the "Ngeī̀yn" you will also see; that's just Google's own weird transliteration which nobody else uses. It's a letter-by-letter substitution for the individual Thai symbols, and doesn't even approximately indicate the pronunciation, not least because it knows nothing about the way Thai compounds 15 vowel symbols to make about 50 different sounds 😕) No, that's เดิน with a completely different vowel (no ย): https://translate.google.com/?sl=th&tl=en&text=เดิน&op=translate

I have to catch up reacting to some of your comments... This was exactly what is was saying to @bkkmfj2648 when we were in Boyz Boyz Boyz together. That it looked that bar changed from gay bar to boy bar or host bar. Quite a few woman inside. And the (in my eyes) best looking boys on stage were actually only interested in the female clients (for tips or offs). In my report about my first night there, I wrote about the guy with curly hair. On my 2nd visit he was again going from table to table for drinks and tips with mostly female guests. So probabaly some of these boys earn this way enough on an evening on tips / drink kick back alone that they don't even need an off. Agree. From all the Bangkok bars I visited I think freshboys has the best full experience. Show, atmosphere and good variety of boys. Specially for a firdt timer Freshboys would be the best choice I think. For me that's was because what I made out of other reports the bars in Sunee will not have my type of boys. I'm more into hunks than twinks. I was actually talking to the waiter himself directly trying to negotiate his off fee. But papasan just jumped in himself. What I probabaly did wrong is talked to papasan earlier about the boys on stage and later used papasan to get the attention of the waiter. So papasan felt he was involved already. I still feel like I missed out for not bringing that waiter back to my hotel room. Would have been nice. Should I have agreed on the 3000 baht off fee anyway? 🤔

If you're talking to a bar boy, you won't have to use that word. You'll mispronounce it anyway. You can say "horny". They know that one . . .

I deserve private jets, but sadly I can only afford business class. 🤣

I can't fly anything else other than business for long trips . I put up with economy from Bangkok to Manila last July ,that was very cramped and painful. probably paying that much for business class is way too much ,of course if your in your 70's or older and financially secure I say go for it ,you don't know how long you have left,no use saving it ,go out and enjoy I say ! 😊

Sunee Plaza was busy tonight with 4 bars open (Winner, Rainbow, One, Green) with patrons in all the bars. New overhead lighting helped to brighten up the area. A pleasant surprise! But no go-go boys in "uniform" at Winner.

I just wanted to tell about a very interesting encounter I recently had - at one of those ptt gas station bathrooms (or to put it in my British English: a loo at a ptt service station). The urinals at those places are quite conducive to cruising, depending on how often the cleaning ladies go round. A few days ago, a young, I would say around 21 or 22 year old guy caught my attention. He walked off and encouraged me to follow. We went into a bush nearby and... wow.. had a lot of fun. He was amazing. That's something I won't forget for a long time !! I got his Line but no reply yet.. he didn't seem gay to be honest, perhaps just liked (somewhat older) farang men.

if you had hots for guy , my answer is yes , as long as you understand you were milked for money in process. If I think about my experiences in similar situations I'd say in most cases was actually worth it , even if in two cases it turned very costly because I kind of got hooked and repeated feast few more times. But you live only once.

Good to hear that Patpong's primo venue is coming back to life. But if it just becomes a bigger Dreamboys I might not be so excited. On the flip side, that opens up a good-sized, ground-level venue for other takers.

Appears so. Opening next month .

I am poor !!! Despite being over 60 I still use the backpackers & fly economy 😉👍 If the recession comes along I may have to rent my ass 😂

now you know why I try to keep all those papasans / mamasans at distance and only allow them to interfere when I need transation. Waiter had no option other than refuse your offer since if he accepted it , papasan would be losing face. I wonder how much of that 3000 had you accepted would go to papasan. My educated guess is 1000. 2000 for short time in Pattaya is still very generous so I'm glad you did not accept that extortionate offer.

I was looking for a Thai phrase and came upon this, just change from Bar girl to Money boy, pretty much the same, pretty funny. Phrases you will hear bar girls saying in English You can try to catch some of the following phrases that bar girls in Thailand are saying and you will understand better what do they really think about you. This is a list of phrases you will hear bar girls saying translated in to English. Most of them are said in front of their "new boyfriends" customers. Don't take this huomorous list too literally. Bye do eye? ----- I go with you? Go-ock ----- Liar Hello sexy man! ----- pay my bar fine! I love you long time ----- I will love you until your money runs out I miss you when you go ----- I miss your money when you go I only work here 1 week ----- I am a lying bitch I send money to Mama ----- I give money to my Thai boyfriend I wait for you come back Thailand ----- I wait for my next bar fine I will write to you ----- My bank details are My friend has too much Gold ----- When are you going to buy me some Today is my birthday ----- I was born on a Monday, today is Monday Tomorrow I go Bangkok ----- Someone else pay my bar fine already Want to come my village? ----- My sister needs a new roof When you come back Thailand? ----- When can I get some more money out of you Where you stay, I go with you no bar fine ----- It's 3 a.m. and I'm skint

I see today that the former Lucky Boys property has a new 'Dreamboys' sign and at least 3 people are painting the entrance area. I tried to ask the workers when it it is opening but got no answer beyond smiles. Does anyone know anything?

Is it me or are they really twice as expensive as before ?

It's an Asian thing evidently. Now that summer is over and we're suddenly in Off Peak (kids in school), airfares in US and EU are back to normal. Flights in the US and to EU are the same as last year. Within the EU is a little worse because of government's demand that flights be cut so people use trains more. And Switzerland's higher because Swiss is more a monopoly than before. Otherwise same as a year ago.

All you prima donnas that would surely die if you had to sit in coach deserve those ridiculously high prices. 🤣

$11,750 😳Perth to Tokyo? I was going to agree with you in giving it a miss , but I guess it depends on your wealth and most importantly your age . Not sure how old you are but if in late 70's I say go for it ,you can't take it with you and it will be a lifetime experience you enjoy . Having said that, isn't there a cheaper premium economy?

No Nice Boys..... ?

But then you would of not have had the HOT time with Number 20 from Dream Boys. Or do you think that the BoyzBoyzBoyz waiter would have been more hot than Number 20?

so Russia invaded Ukraine to save Ukrainians from themselves soaking in blood them and Russian own soldiers in process instead of letting them to sort out their problems ? Don't you feel sorry for those Russian matushkas ?

Hopefully but not necessarily. The price goes up as the plane fills up. Eg in Eva first the Business Basic sells out then the prices move to Business Standard and then Business Up. Supply and Demand

Correct. And the name is totally fake. I don’t even have a Muslim background. 100% Dutch

I don't mind a bit of Hip Hop. Some of the 90's bands were good , used to like JX , dirty son of a gun

It looks like prices aren’t so bad. No excuse not to travel.

Waking up tomorrow and not waking up in ICU.

He came towards me and asked/demanded 100 baht. He sounded desperate, this was during the worst of the pandemic and he was probably hungry. He wasn’t a thief, just another Thai in need. As I gave him it a couple of motorbike taxi men laughed at the situation.

I checked yesterday and coach fares were $2000 RT LAX/BKK. I priced a Business Class trip on American, with a stopover in Taipei, and it was $24,000, although that might have been First Class. Can you imagine the couple that would spend $50k RT to Asia? You could feed so many people for that.

But if you make it in practice it will certainly lead-hopefully for both of the couple, to being very much ´SIAO´. And that keeps them drawing in........(like SEE-(y)AO). That nguen is one of those works about impossible to pronounce with twisted tongues of farang. Though there are many more words meaning or relating to about same state of feelings. It rymes a bit with ´deun´=walk.

Airfare is about 1.5x to 2x of the price before this summer. I traveled 2 longhaul round trips this summer, business classes were all full.

One word...Bloody expensive!!! I will wait to next year now to travel again to see if the prices go down

Sorry, but I also find any face coveting a turn-off. It's like having sex with a guy wearing a paper bag over his head. For me, the face is the second most important part of the guy's body.

Time and laziness since I am now physically based in Jomtien. There are now so many bars and things to do in the Jomtien Complex (Supertown) that I always forget about Sunee Plaza. Going over to Boyz Town in Pattaya is already a big event.

keep knocking and will be opened for you Good Book says

As a beautiful blonde drag queen, I am just not interested in Taiwan. 😁

Also agree, although I think 90% is more than a bit high. But it's wonderful if you're a top to be in a place where most of the boys you encounter wish to be your bottom. I had a strange but delightful encounter about 6 years ago. A young Chinese from Macao with whom I had been chatting for about 3 years on the now dreadful if not dead fridae site but never actually met suddenly contacted me on one of the more modern apps. He'd noticed in my profile that I liked Taipei. Turned out he'd been studying in Taiwan and decided to stay there. Although he lived in the centre of the island, when I told him I was coming over for the Gay Pride Parade, he said he'd never been to one and could he join me. I thought he might want to stay the night which I was slightly concerned about because I just did not know him. However, he said he had a friend with whom he would stay. We arranged to meet in my hotel about half an hour prior to leaving for the Parade. The previous evening I was having drinks with an old friend in one of the Red House bars. It's a great location for merely enjoying lots of eye candy. Suddenly the most gorgeous boy walked in front of us seemingly looking for someone. He then turned around and came up to me asking if I was the one he'd meet tomorrow. I then wished I'd offered to put him up for the night! He was looking for the friend he was staying with. The next day he duly arrived at the hotel and I had planned to offer him a quick snack lunch. But once in my room, he hugged me close and whispered in my ear. "Fuck me! Please!" I said we don't have much time. "It doesn't matter. Please I want now and we can take longer after the Parade." Well, what is a polite gentleman to do. And the deed was done to the great satisfaction of both!

like STD ?

we don't have Thailand forum We have Gay Thailand forum. If this was posted there , objections would no doubt arise that quite a few taxi drivers are NOT gay and topic belongs to Beer Bar forum even if apparently there are 3 or 4 taxi drivers in BKK who don't drink beer , at least not on the job

I had a Thai boyfriend in 2018 (not a bar boy). We broke up but stayed friends and had fun sometimes. We had friends in common so would still regularly go to Sinlapin Issan ect. We were separated during COVID as I was no longer living in Thailand. \ 6 week before my return to Thailand we were talking most days, excited to reunite. 4 weeks before my return, he went silent. His friends told me drugs, but I never saw him take drugs. He was a hard working young man. He died. He was 28. ============ Yes these things happen in Thailand. But the country has little effect on how much it hurts. I'm sorry you lost your friend. Just writing this has me in streaming tears.

it is not and that's the best part as fun will be to discover what changed and survey old places in new circumstances. You are in for a ball