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Part 10: Last evening in Bangkok (for now...) Yesterday was my last evening in Bangkok. I will go travels around Thailand now for a few week (up north, Pattaya, Phuket...) and will be back on Bangkok on September 23 for 5 more night before I fly home. The evening didn't start well... It was raining hard, the roads flooded. And the hourly forecast didn't look good either. But after about 1hr the rain stopped and it was "safe" to head out to the bars. I had some unfinished business to take care of before leaving Bangkok tomorrow... First of all there is the guy on Grindr who is for days already stalking me. He works in Freshboys. Don't wanna just ignore or block him because I want to be able to go to Freshboys again without "losing face". He looks nice and sweet, not sure if he will be my type in real life. So didn't want to invite him to my room without seeing him in the bar first. But he kept trying. Even on his day off. Decided to go for a drink in Freshboys first and buying the boy a drink too. So at least I've shown him my good heart. Lol Gave him besides a drink an extra 100 baht bill and told him I had to leave to Tawan because I needed to show my friend that place. Which was actually true as I met up with another solo traveler and we agreed to go to Freshboys en Tawan together that night. Because of the rain, the steps at Freshboys was wet and slippery. The guy I was with slipped and felt down, taking me with him in his fall as I was walking in front of him. I had a soft landing, on top of him. He took a harder hit on the concrete stairs. But was also fine. Thank god. He was even laughing saying that cracked his back without having to pay for a massage... But let this be a warning whenever around in rain: stairs can be slippery! We arrived at Tawan around 11pm. The show didn't start yet. When we looked around we found out why: we were the only customers... All the rest (around 20 boys again, same like the day before) were Tawan staff. We had our drinks, talked to the (I suppose) manager and I off course invited 6pack guy (see report part 8 in this post about one day earlier in Tawan) to come and sit with me. "I take care of you tonight?" he asked. Oh yes you can! Understandable, with no other customers in the bar, Tawan decided not to have a show that night. I was entertained by 6pack guy who took my hands and placed them all over his muscles body so I could feel everything... He was placing his own hand on my shorts while feeling what was hidden inside... This is even better than the show. Lol No show this night, only guys doing some posing on stage like in this picture from Tawan twitter account. In the meantime I had some conversation with the guy I was with. He decided to move on to soi 4 to see if, despite the heavy rain earlier, things were happening there. And I took 6pack guy back to Tarntawan. 2500 for the boy, 500 for the bar. More expensive than the average off fee in the boybars. But I wanted to have a Tawan expierence... And it turned out better than expected. One day earlier when I also was in Tawan, 6pack guy already told me "everything" is possible, except that he doesn't want to get fucked. He spoke good English so I had no reason to think things went lost in translation. Possibilities from his side and expectations from mine were clear. He had to leave his id card at reception of the hotel. In my room the muscle worshipping that started in the bar continued. And as promised he kissed, sucked my dick... And even more: he licked my balls and ass. Was very nice to feel his tongue go there... After this all came to a (my) climax, 6pack guy gave me a short mini massage. I felt his strong hands over my body and feet. After 6pack guy left, hotel reception called me to check everything was oke before they gave his id card back. To be honest, I didn't expect much from a Tawan guy. I was thinking maximum you could get was touching his muscles and sucking HIS cock. The expierence I had with 6pack guy was so much better than that...! Let's see what adventures the rest of Thailand will have for me in the next weeks...

Part 9: "Roomservice" Today I had lazy day. And I did what one does when having a lazy day in Bangkok: looking on grindr for a massageboy to come over to your hotel room... My choice of the day was a boy who works at Bangkok Spa in Silom Plaza. Before he had to start working at 3pm, be came to my hotel room to give me a nice massage. I was too lazy to go to the shop. And I like the comfort of my own room over a maybe dirty, old massage room somewhere in a shop. In my own room I know I can have a nice shower after and can just relax on bed instead of having to travel back to my hotel first. He had some very sexy pictures on his profile, showing a nice 6pack. Versatile, so so the after-massage-fun looks guaranteed. I felt for the 6pack... Only a few minutes after the agreed time he was in front of my hotel room door. No problem for him to get into the hotel. Friendly, goodlooking guy indeed. He spoke good English, always nice to be able to have something of a small conversation. He even spoke a few words Dutch as he visited my country (the Netherlands) and has a friend from there. Massage was nice, the after service even better. Good skills on sucking and eager to get fucked. What a nice way to have a lazy afternoon. And the day is still young... Still have the evening adventures ahead.

very few in Heaven I suspect considering Sunee reputation at that time

I'd say the reasons you listed plus your "etc". All kinds of reasons and most left without saying anything to me anyway. I imagine money problems may have had a part in many decisions. You name it - everything from failed business ventures to relationship problems to simply not liking the lifestyle here. If I were asking the question you're trying to ask, my post would be, "If you tried living in Thailand, but eventually left, why did you leave?" If anyone on this board fits that category, seems to me they would be the ones to ask rather than me. Ok, so I'll post the question: If anyone reading this post tried living in Thailand, but eventually left, why did you leave?

I guess that’s why he went platinum blond and changed his name to Tyler

Must be. They let me ride.

Of course not. Living in Thailand is not for everyone. I certainly would not recommend living in Thailand at all unless you know what you're doing and know what you're getting into. Going to Thailand for holidays is nowhere near enough to make a life-changing decision. A holiday in Thailand is very different from living in Thailand. I would recommend living in Thailand for at least 6 months before making a final decision. And make sure you maintain an "escape route" in case it doesn't work out. I have no regrets about living in Thailand and I would do the same thing tomorrow. Despite our complaints and problems I love it here. My expat farang friends would probably say the same. After all, there are plenty of complaints and problems no matter where you live. But we have also seen many who tried to live in Thailand, but ended up leaving when it just didn't work out for them. In short, don't make a hasty decision that you can't easily get out of.

From Channel News Asia Malaysia on Wednesday (Sep 7) scrapped its mask mandate for indoor settings, with premise owners allowed to decide whether to impose their own face mask requirements. “Face masks indoors will be optional effective immediately,” said Health Minister Khairy Jamaluddin, adding that masks remain mandatory for COVID-19 cases, and in public transport and healthcare facilities. Healthcare facilities include hospitals, clinics and nursing homes while public transport covers e-hailing services, flights, taxis and trains. Masks are "highly encouraged" for crowded indoor settings, he added. High-risk individuals, those who are ill or symptomatic, as well as individuals who interact with vulnerable groups are also encouraged to keep their masks on. Those who test positive for COVID-19 - and are required to undergo health checks at COVID-19 Assessment Centres (CAC) - will still need to put on masks. The Health Minister said that although the wearing of masks indoors was no longer compulsory, premise owners could decide on the mask requirements for their premises, such as making them mandatory or optional.

It's clear that punters haven't lost their interest in cruising. Cruising offers something the apps can't: an in your face, three-dimensional experience. It can happen anywhere and requires no other device but your eyes. It almost always involves other solo men, so that helps refine the search. And we all know what it is we're looking for. That bit of eye contact--sometimes obvious but often furtive. On the best of occasions, the guy may physically approach us and make clear his intentions as we've read above. It's just a matter of ignoring your phone and allowing your eyes to do your talking. Nothing's guaranteed but anything is possible.

I suspect the numbers of new retirees may be dropping. When I considered relocating about fifteen years ago, the UK pound was worth 70 baht; now it hovers around 40. Many expats who arrived a decade or so ago must have felt a serious decline in their living standards. Some may well have left. Others may be struggling. Some falangs, whom I see around Pattaya Tai for example, appear to be experiencing hard times.

You're talking to a guy that had to tell his shocked Egyptian Dr. That he was in Asia sucking 100 cocks deepthroat and eating ass.....😆

When I met my partner we agreed that it was crucial that we knew we could live together and be happy and that we couldn't judge that from my 2/3 week holidays to Thailand. Hence he came to England to stay with me for four months initially and then for almost two years during which we had a UK Civil Partnership ceremony. (His mother had passed away 4 months before his first visit, he wouldn't have come while she was ill) To backup floridarob's post at the end of his first visit he wanted to go to pray at the nearest Thai temple (about 30 miles from my home) while there he was talking to a lady cleaning the temple who gave him phone numbers for some Thai ladies who lived in my home town. As he was returning to Thailand in a couple of days he didn't contact anyone until he returned for his second visit. The result was he met a circle of about 15 Thai ladies who he would meet weekly for food, drinks parties etc, his visa allowed him to work and through their introductions he got a couple of part time jobs, which although low paid (minimum wage) made him feel very wealthy) He is very friendly and easy going which along with being a good cook of Thai food meant he slotted in with the Thai ladies very quickly.

Cruising is alive and well... https://sniffies.com/map

Blessed as those who did not see and still believed

Boypass?

For me the best options is Furama Silom and Le Siam mainly because you have straight access to the elevator and you can bypass the reception. Furama Silom have specious rooms and lovely rooftop pool and Le Siam has unbeatable location behind Silom mall and footsteps from Sala Deng BTS.

I used to stay at the Tarntawan on every visit to Bangkok. Then one trip I met a friend from New York who was staying at Pinnacle Lumpini, which had a bit smaller rooms at about half the price. So I started staying there. I think I checked out of Tarntawan the very day I saw my friend's Pinnacle room and checked in there. The breakfasts at Pinnacle were even more interesting than at Tarntawan. I met a real cutie in DJ Station one night. He came back to the hotel with me and we stayed up till about 7 in the morning having some wild, tequila-fueled sex. We got into positions I had never even dreamed about, then he insisted that I cum on his face. After showering we decided to go downstairs for breakfast. Neung wore one of the hotel-supplied bathrobes because why not? There were a few other couples like us who had obviously been up all night long. But most of the tables were occupied by families. At one point, a blonde little boy walks up to Neung to ask him why he was wearing a bathrobe. Neung spoke good English, gave the kid a charming reply and the two kept talking, mostly about the little boy's first trip toThailand but also about why Neung spoke English and stuff like that. What I remember most was the little boy's parents watching the conversation, checking out Neung, looking at me, sizing up the mixed-race, mixed-age gay couple and letting the conversation go on. Both Neung and the little boy were so pleased with their encounter, with the chance to talk to someone from a different world, with the knowledge that that chance encounter could only have taken place at a hotel breakfast buffet in Bangkok. It was wonderful.

Tarnation, I have a trip planned this month with a sexual play focus within the Bogotá component, where majority Monkeypox incidence for the nation is located, but have been holding off on accommodations for the entire trip, in case this … and also minimal vaccine supply there. I estimate the daily Bogotá MSM incidence at 1/1,000, contagion point-prevalence at about 1/100 MSM.

After going to Thailand from the UK some 4 times a year for 6 years I thought seriously about moving there. Maybe to Jomtien. The holiday lifestyle reduces the pain from a health condition so I was tempted. What stopped me was the reality of losing the NHS as I get older and knowing that what I can afford to do on holiday would not be possible all year round if I was there. As long as I can, I will go 4 times a year to the region, as I like Vietnam too.

No adverse reaction to one standard MVA-BN dose, on top of the possible benefit of having had Smallpox vaccination some 6 decades back. Reservations relate to commonly accepted uncertainty about MVA-BN protectiveness. Also, without vaccine supply in Colombia an exponential incidence surge could temporarily shut down where I intended to be naughty by the time I arrive, possibly as case incidence is peaking.

From Thai News Agency BANGKOK, Sept 6 (TNA) – The State Railway of Thailand (SRT) has conducted a test run of the Kiha 183 passenger train carriages donated by Japan after the work to modify and refurbish the first three carriages completed.

Having ´done´ about all its lines through the yrs-without any wish to do that again, I can thus personally testify that at least 3 times I got a kind of ´proposal´ from some conductor/sleeper-car attendant (male). But I will not do the math/stats, it might as % still even be less as what one can encounter in normal everyday Thai life out of that Silom area (not having been Pattaya since around 2000 we leave that aside). Esp. many young male supermarket staff (probably pretty bored with that job) can be quite entertaining and proposing.......... To post: it must hence be yet another ´donation´ of JR that relieves them of the need to bring it to in Japan probably a costly break down affair. SRT also has 2nd hand cars from QR=Queensland rails (who said it was not gay?), many more from Japan, and once (I think under Abhisit) got a few new UK-built ´sprinter´sets´, also much in use with BritRail-or whatever-at that time-and used for a kind of prestigious and high supplement ´fast´ train-which may have lasted a year or 2.Untill maintenance of these technically then too advanced iron monsters became-as so often- the stumbleblock

It really is in one of the most dumpy areas of Pattaya. I would strongly advise looking elsewhere.

all depends where one a seats. There's no universal recession, prosperity , war or peace. Often even within one country. On recession of 70 we never agree for simple reason -, perhaps you or your country , at least here and there, suffered one. I was in place which prospered very well indeed Paid heavy price for it later , but recession of 70 ties sounds for me like 'black snow ' or ' sizzling ice cream". Most of world's wealth is indeed in so called West but humanity's reason and experience is more evenly distributed.

It is right in the middle of an area highly popular with people from India and that is who they primarily cater to. Many Indian restaurants and shops in the surrounding area. I have no idea what their policy is about room "guests" if you want to bring in a young gent or whether to expect any awkwardness about it. I don't know anyone who has ever stayed there and I recall no mention of it on any of the boards. If that is what you're looking for, then it's a good choice.

Ralph and Jack are in heaven; they are living a happy life in Pattaya!

don't you have any shame combing through out debaucherous forum on the train?

I did not know it's at all possible

correct, out of mercy for other, uninterested readers

that soon ?

they had it in Bogota..... lots of problem. 1 in 5 peoples documents did not work. attendant would come over to help, try it 3 times, move you to another line try again, then look at it and override the system and let you in. (I should say let me in)

is the SRT a "gay" business?

I stayed in the Holiday in express ($28 today on agoda) near silom. and Trinity ($30 today but usually in the 20s). the holiday inn was modern and had nice breakfast. Trinity was modern, and you had access to a healthclub next door with a good big pool and gym... . both easy walking to the clubs. I don't think the base rooms were large in either.

It can be cheaper to book Tarntawan by becoming a member on the hotel's website. You can see the prices per night on a calendar after you log in. I will be there at the end of the month for a few nights before going to the Raya.

Bangkok Post is reporting that the leader of the Thai Civilized Party is gathering signatures to turn back the recent fine increases on the grounds that they are conducive to police corruption.

Most of my farang friends in Pattaya have relocated here successfully so it is both possible and practical.

Part 8: Muscle mania at Tawan I started the evening wearing a nice schnitzel at G's in Soi 4. Chatted on grindr with boy from Myanmar who was having drinks at balcony pub alone. He asked me to join him. Was nice conversation and company. But not my type so after 1 drink I excused myself saying I had other engagements. Which was actually true. As I planned to check out Tawan bar tonight. I arrived in Tawan around 10:30pm. It was 400 baht for a drink. Also my 2nd drink was charged 400 baht... In my opinion a bit overpriced for a second drink. Most boybars charge you less for 2nd+ drinks and only first drink is 400 baht. Around 20 shirtless boys in tight navy themed underwear, some more other less muscled. When I came in only 4 other guests in the bar, but around 5 more came in just before / during show. Also ladyboys again here in the show... Why? Even in Tawan... They are still doing the part where 3 boys do competition who can cum first, for some tips off course. But I liked it the most when they put "I know you want me" song on and all guys, with hard cocks, walked around the bar for customers to feel, touch and grope. I took the opportunity to touch some muscles and 6packs and licked some nipples. Get your 100 baht notes ready for some sexy fun! Also part of the show is off course a bdsm themed act. Muscleboy 1 wearing a balaclava (but we all know who it was because you can recognize him at his tattoos) and muscleboy 2 ties him up and slams his body with insulating pipes before pouring candle wax over his but. Sucking cock and licking ass was also part of this erotic act. By the way: where else do they have a toilet boy who gives you small shoulder massage while you are washing your hands after peeing... Lol Special gesture of hospitality in Tawan! Off fee (or price for going to upstairs room): 500 for the house, 2500 for boy. Found a very nice muscle boy with great 6pack. He spoke decent English and told me he is "straight" but can kiss, suck and get sucked by guys. Only can't be fucked, only fucks. A Korean guy next to me, I had nice conversation with, already told me this guy was his favourite in the bar and already talked to him. So 6pack guy ended up sitting in between me and Korean guy. Being his first time in Tawan, Korean guy was a bit shy. So it actually was me doing most of the muscle touching. When Korean guy went to atm te be able to pay the off fee, 6pack guy told me he liked me more because I was so enthusiastic when he came around during the "I know you want me" song. He was the guy I licked the nipples of. And while sitting next to me he was touching my crown jewels. Omg... Actually I was already very tired (liked the fun I was having but not necessarily looking for an off) and also just couldn't "snatch" 6pack guy away from Korean guy. Because I also don't like when that happens to me. So with fresh bahts from the atm, Korean guy went to the upstairs room with 6pack guy. I stayed watching the other muscle boys, some of them in the meantime naked. Received a little souvenir Just when I finished my 2nd drink, Korean guy came back from upstairs. He said 6pack guy is very friendly and he had a good time some muscle worshippping and sucking his cock. Good review by Korean guy, so I probabaly have to go back to Tawan to have my own try with 6pack guy.

You mentioned two important reasons why almost all Falang-Thai relationships failed and even if initially all is fine eventually collapse. First,most of us can't or don't want to relocate to Thailand it's not easy to leave everything behind you and start a new life in another country the same for the Thai boy it's extremely difficult to adapt himself to a completely different culture, food, language and climate even if at the beginning they seems very enthusiastic to live in a new country once they come their dreams shutter to pieces they feel lonely, can't adopt themselves to the food , people, climate and culture and desperate going back to their homeland. so yes it's not practical for most potential couple to become in full time relationship. Second, the Thai culture put commitment to family and society in top priority, Every Thai individual will put family and close friends on first priority even if it will badly harm his own interests, this is why even if falang find a very nice local boy who genuinely loves him and want to be with his family and friends might see his falang boyfriend as potential ATM whom can be used to upgrade their lifestyle and will put hard pressure on to the boy to extract money as much as he can while the relationship are good and ' don't let the cunning falang to use you and eventually throw away and leave you with nothing' the boy is put on a lot of pressure and then troubles start shaking things till the falang is frustrated and telling the boy enough is enough no more money for his family and the relationship is over.

Now that's worth a headline in the Bangkok Post!

as planned KinnPorsche done. Can't comment much in order not to spoil series for future watchers. One thing is sure , packed with action full of unexpected twists and when it slows down , than romantic scenes are starting , not necessarily in full dress ( don't expect too much but still quite a bit of flesh , nice at that, is shown ) Since it's mafia themed expect a lot of dead bodies and blood spilled all over your screen. I expected end to be bit different and we could use perhaps one more episode to carry on with Kim/Porchay and Vegas / Pete motives . My take on Vegas / Pete thing is Stockholm syndrome known to science, victim falls for his/ hers tormentor. Vegas , brutalized whole life by the father become the same brutal as Pete nicely explained to him in their first normal conversation. But he had his moments making me actually bit sorry for him. I liked his and Porsche's acting and I'm thinking about dumping Knock of 'Together with me " fame and falling in love with Porsche Last suggestion , if one can afford it time wise , it's best for binge watching but in that case have your blood pressure pills handy due to rollercoastery action.

If I were looking for a relationship a bar boy is the last place I would start in any country for a whole host of reasons. I have never intended to get involved with any of the bar guys in Bangkok and, when I take a step back, the fact that I am now involved with Bangkok Guy to the extent that I am still surprises me. As the relationship began in a bar my ability to help him financially is an inevitable part of the relationship. To ask if a bar boy would stay in a relationship without the financial support is, I think, fatuous. On their side, the need for financial support is a baked-in part of the reason they are there. The more relevant question is whether the relationship can be one of a fair and equal exchange with respect and caring on both sides. If the falang treats the guy as a sex doll, a trophy, or as bought property, or just generally fails to consider his needs, there will be no long term relationship. If the guy does not like or respect the falang, or if he thinks it is purely short term, then he is likely to view the falang as an ATM to be emptied as quickly as possible, and there will be no long term relationship. However, if each likes and respects the other, both are transparent about their needs and the exchange of needs seems a fair trade, there is a chance it might work subject to the vicissitudes of all relationships including compatibility with each other’s friends and families and ability to co-locate. Again making it plain that I am aware that I do not have a full understanding of the situation, my perception is that if Bangkok Guy and I decided to go for an actual full time relationship the main problems are: (i) Ability to co-locate. I do not want to live in Thailand. Bangkok Guy is clear that he does not care where he lives as long as it is with me. That’s nice to hear, but not practical. (ii) Bangkok Guy’s responsibility to look after his mother and sister and possible wider family network ties. It’s the second point where there are possible transparency issues around how much I am viewed as an ATM to be emptied as quickly as possible. Bangkok Guy completely lacks a poker face. What he is thinking, his state of mind, is on his face, especially if you know him. It has the benefit of making communication easier. When Bangkok Guy asks me for financial assistance he does so in one of three ways. (i) Completely openly and hopefully. This is his expression when he is discussing his own needs. He is approaching me as his friend to fulfill the financial part of my role in the relationship. He has always been very straightforward in these discussions and I enjoy them as I get a clear view into his circumstances and his hopes. (ii) Complete panic. This has only happened once during Covid when his part of the family couldn’t make their payment on the time-payment-tractor. It has only happened once and no one could fake the sheer panic on his face, let alone someone without a poker face. (iii) Reluctantly with submissive/concerned body language and a concerned face. On these occasions he is asking for help with something to do with the family, not himself. The first two approaches are consistent with a relationship based on fair trade. The third concerned/submissive approach is the one where suspicious minds could raise questions. Does his expression indicate guilt as he knows he is pulling a con, or reluctance as he thinks it might strain our relationship, or frustration & reluctance as he resents having to bear the responsibility of looking after the family? My guess, guess, is that it is some combination of the last two. Bangkok Guy takes his responsibilities to his family seriously. He is a stoic and not one to complain. But just occasionally a look or the tone of voice lets it slip that he resents the responsibility and the demands it places on him. It shows in his schizophrenic attitude to his home town. On the one hand he loves its physical beauty and clean air, on the other hand going there to be with family is not his favorite thing. I also suspect that his family may view me as a family ATM. “Son, you have great success, bring ATM to family, now empty ATM while the going is good, falang so unreliable need to empty now” while Bangkok Guy does not see it this way. I think Bangkok Guy wants a long term relationship. Misuse and abuse of the ATM is not consistent with that. My guess is that his family puts him in a difficult position. I have had two long term relationships, the first of which was with a successful self-made guy from a quite dysfunctional family who, after he became successful, made his life very difficult with their demands for lifestyle uplift. I thought they were a pack of c#nts and would have cut them off, after all they cut him off when they found out he was gay, before he became successful which somehow overcame their distaste for gay, but they were his family and he needed their acceptance (worthless and self-centered though it was). I suspect Bangkok Guy is in an analogous situation, although (i) his family are simply poor, only mildly dysfunctional and have no objection to him being gay and (ii) he is bound to them through the need to fulfill social norms more than through emotional dependence. If I am right in this, if, then the risk is that Bangkok Guy decides at some point that his dream of a long term relationship is not going to happen, or that I will not give him enough assistance to start his own business and become independent, in which case he is exposed to a return to a low-and-unreliable market income and a hand-to-mouth existence, in which case he may as well empty the ATM while he can. Bangkok Guy and I need to maintain faith in each other. Without trust, there is nothing.

too bad I'm not in Bangkok on Saturday. I'd be happy to run away screaming too

I agree, there are gruesome moments but also plenty of romantic ones. Some of scenes betwen Kinn and Porsche are almost too sweet and bordering on notch below soft porn. I developed habit of watching them , 2 or 3 times as Porsche dressed is handsome like a hell, not to mention when he is undressed to a substantial degree. Handily they are almost always at end of episode so easy to find, LOL I like guy playing Vegas too. Hope in future we will have series with both of them as main couple, yum Like you, I'm amazed that it passed censorship for steamy scenes, kissy and bloody ones , plain view dildo and some very critical musings about rampant injustice in the country. Combination of day off and rain enables me probably to finish series today. No need for tissues indeed . since you mnetion it, when comes to background music no series is even close to "Until we meet again"

I know a guy that won the lottery.....the successes are eclipsed by the fraud/failures. Not saying it doesn't work....but go into it with eyes wide open, not rose colored glasses.

Maybe one reason is because if the relationship is already working well, for both, then why change it? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I can confirm from personal experience in May/Jun, I was offered sex at least on 2 occasions in no uncertain terms but somehow always I was on my way to other , equally sinister arrangements . I still was surprised by their well working gaydar, those Viets, I'm telling you.

when GW Bush was elected did we expect that next president will be black ? And when he was elected did we expect that next one will be Orange Overlord ?

no idea what place Z909 has in mind but is you are looking for hunky masseurs I can recommend Classic House which I patronized happily in Dec over 4 days , different massage boy every day including 4 hands on last one. One of them visited me in the room as well and other agreed to spent 3 nights with me so obviously I was happy with the place