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Part 6: A rainy day keeps the customers and boys away... It was a rainy Sunday evening yesterday. It was already 10:15pm, and I was looking out of the window of my hotel room waiting for the rain to stop. From the 17th floor of Le Méridien I couldn't really tell how hard it actually rained. So I decided just to give it a go. Patpong 2 is just a very short walk from the hotel anyway. Not too wet I arrived in an empty street where some touts under umbrellas offered me a dry place to shelter. I still didn't go to Hotmale yet the last days so without much chitchat in the street with the tout, I directly walked upstairs. There it seemed the rain had kept everybody away. Both the clients and the boys. I counted 6 customers. And 8 boys on stage. But you only need one nice boy to have a great evening, right? Quality over quantity. Drink 400 baht. Boys on stage wearing jeans and some even sleeveless white shirt with Hotmale logo on it. But I don't complain, as I did see some eyecandy on stage. A very friendly papasan started a nice conversation with me. He also told me 5 of the 8 boys were gay and can be fucked. From these 5 there were at least 3 I could take home because they were my cup of tea... One of them was the whole time smiling at me. He had a very cute and nice smile. If you would visit Hotmale when he's there, you would definitely be able to pick him out of the line of boys directly. He's the one with by far the nicest smile and naughty sparkle in his eyes. I directly felt for it and knew straight away he was going to be my off for tonight. But I like to play hard to get a littlebit. So I teased him, smiled back. But also flirted with some other boys. The show started. Papasan told me gonna be short show because quiet night. I could completely understand. It was a bit awkward for the boys to do a few acts for only a few customers. It started with a very original but strange act: a boy in small underwear and virus ball toys (like on the picture below) attached to his custome came on stage and was chased away by a boy in protective clothing and mouth mask. After 3 acts is was already time for theasr part; the big cock show with 3 boys showing their junk. One of them had I think the biggest cock I've ever seen in Thailand. So if that's your thing you now know where to go... I tipped all 3 guys 100 baht. As soon the show was over and all boys came on stage again I invited Mr Cutesmile over for a drink. During the show some more customers came in and I couldn't have somebody else quickly take him before I could make a move. Tere was nowhere a ladyboy/showgirl to be found in Hotmale. Which was nice for a change after the overkill of ladyboys I witnessed the last two days. Let's not speak about the low quality of the acts, but at least for originality they score a 10 because of the covid act... Lol Mr Cutesmile is from Cambodia and was massageboy in Phnom Penh before. Conversation was a bit difficult because his limited knowledge of the English language and me failing to speak Khmer. Paid my bill (including 500 baht off fee) and went with Mr Cutesmile to 7-eleven to buy a drink and baby oil for the massage. No questions asked by the reception staff of Le Méridien, only a very friendle welcome back greet like always. We shower seperate. I can tell Mr Cutesmile is a bit nervous. So I tell him we start with massage and will see. I assure him we don't need to do anything he doesn't want. Because I got the feeling his nervousness was fueled by the papasan telling him I am top and want to fuck him. This boy was cute enough for massage, some touching, enjoying his body and sucking. And that's what happend. I don't always have to fuck. I actually only enjoy it when the boy that I'm with enjoys it too or at least gives me that impression. Massage skills of Mr Cutesmile are oke. Not too hard, not too soft. Perfect for me. When the deed was done we showered together. After another attempt to have a small conversation (via google translate) it was time to send him on his way...

How nice would it be to have a bar with goodlooking gay or at least boys willing to go with a male customer in all different categories, so it caters for all tastes. And that they, besides better and more parading around, also somehow manage to deliver a good quality show. That would be the perfect venue in my world. If seducing your customers to off a boy is your main income, I don't understand that when a show starts the boys that are off-able are not "on display" for hours. Let the boy parade be the main thing of the night. In different forms, different outfits during the night. And in between the parading some short showacts. But acts that actual make sense and are fun or erotic. Not the slow moving around (I can't call it dancing) you now see so often. Someone must have told the Thais that's its erotic to see half naked boy do slow-motion movements... But that's so not true... Lol Wouldn't we (and also the woman that come) love it to spice it up a littlebit a la Magic Mike? Modernise it. Put up the speed. As now acts tend to go on and on way too long. Well.. Shall we just start our own bars as we all have so many ideas and know better? Lol Yeah actually he was one of the boys that could be fucked according to papasan. He even double checked with Mr Cutesmile in the bar. Probabaly the boy wanted an off, did see the lack of customers, and agreed to it but actually was not very comfortable with it. Than we can say he shouldn't have agreed on being able to get fucked, but I'm nice guy and consider the boy his feelings and won't push him to do things he's actually not comfortable with. Omg... You guys want all the dirty details? Hahaha... Allright... Massage, kissing, licking, sucking, cuming... But no fucking. 😂😛

I tried to provide insights on a number of occasions on different threads but obviously my comments fell on stony ground. And I'm not going to repeat myself. I know three LTR couples, two of them British/Thai, one of them a US citizen. They are similar- 60+ falang/late thirties or early forties Thais. Both parties seems happy to me. If you keep your eyes open, you'll see such couples in the restaurants and malls of Pattaya. You won't confuse them with falangs with offed guys. It works for some of us. Perhaps it shouldn't, but it does. Don't be dismissive of other peoples' experience and other peoples' lives. And don't confuse sex and love. I've enjoyed both in the last twenty-five years visiting Pattaya. and so I don't.

Part 7: Let's try an old gay favourite: the Tarntawan Hotel I can't afford Le Méridien for my complete stay, so after 3 nights of luxury I checked out and changed hotels to the old gay-favourite Tarntawan. Never stayed there before. On previous trips I’ve stayed in The Raya (when they just opened and were having very competitive room rates), but mainly in D Varee Express and Bally Suite. The last two because they always have very good offers and are some of the cheapest options of acceptable quality around Silom. During my last trip I decided not to book Bally Suite anymore. The rooms are showing age. Air-conditioning was not working well. And you have to be in luck with the allocation of your room. If you’re placed in a room at the DJ Station side of the hotel, you will be able to hear the music in your hotel room almost as loud as if you are in the club itself. D Varee Express I would still recommend if you’re looking for a low-budget option and if you’re oke with not having a window in your room (as their cheapest option doesn’t have a window). I’ve read so many good reviews on this forum about the Tarntawan, and how you guys have stayed here many times, I decided to go for that place this time and try it. My room in the Tarntawan It has been written on this forum before and I can confirm; the hotel is showing its age. Actually the basis of the room is quite oke. The closet, bed, desk and wood/yellow wall are still in style. But the room could use a fresh up. Specially the curtains. Holes are in it and part of it hangs loose. The big photograph above the bed is not sticking well to the wall anymore and is getting loose. And I would replace the chairs and table. Probabaly the bathroom needs a renovation too. Room is very dark. It has big windows but they are keeping out the daylight because they are this kind of blinded windows. So yeah there is some work to do, but it wouldn't need a complete renovation to get this hotel ready for the next 10 years. Just a fresh up. But off course the location makes it work. Around the corner is Tawan, and Patpong is just 5 minutes walk. As I just checked in I didn't have a boy over yet. But previous posts about this hotel make it clear absolutely no problem taking boys to your room. So that's perfect! But to be honest after my first impression; with current low hotel rates I think there are better hotel options in this area.

If I were looking for a relationship a bar boy is the last place I would start in any country for a whole host of reasons. I have never intended to get involved with any of the bar guys in Bangkok and, when I take a step back, the fact that I am now involved with Bangkok Guy to the extent that I am still surprises me. As the relationship began in a bar my ability to help him financially is an inevitable part of the relationship. To ask if a bar boy would stay in a relationship without the financial support is, I think, fatuous. On their side, the need for financial support is a baked-in part of the reason they are there. The more relevant question is whether the relationship can be one of a fair and equal exchange with respect and caring on both sides. If the falang treats the guy as a sex doll, a trophy, or as bought property, or just generally fails to consider his needs, there will be no long term relationship. If the guy does not like or respect the falang, or if he thinks it is purely short term, then he is likely to view the falang as an ATM to be emptied as quickly as possible, and there will be no long term relationship. However, if each likes and respects the other, both are transparent about their needs and the exchange of needs seems a fair trade, there is a chance it might work subject to the vicissitudes of all relationships including compatibility with each other’s friends and families and ability to co-locate. Again making it plain that I am aware that I do not have a full understanding of the situation, my perception is that if Bangkok Guy and I decided to go for an actual full time relationship the main problems are: (i) Ability to co-locate. I do not want to live in Thailand. Bangkok Guy is clear that he does not care where he lives as long as it is with me. That’s nice to hear, but not practical. (ii) Bangkok Guy’s responsibility to look after his mother and sister and possible wider family network ties. It’s the second point where there are possible transparency issues around how much I am viewed as an ATM to be emptied as quickly as possible. Bangkok Guy completely lacks a poker face. What he is thinking, his state of mind, is on his face, especially if you know him. It has the benefit of making communication easier. When Bangkok Guy asks me for financial assistance he does so in one of three ways. (i) Completely openly and hopefully. This is his expression when he is discussing his own needs. He is approaching me as his friend to fulfill the financial part of my role in the relationship. He has always been very straightforward in these discussions and I enjoy them as I get a clear view into his circumstances and his hopes. (ii) Complete panic. This has only happened once during Covid when his part of the family couldn’t make their payment on the time-payment-tractor. It has only happened once and no one could fake the sheer panic on his face, let alone someone without a poker face. (iii) Reluctantly with submissive/concerned body language and a concerned face. On these occasions he is asking for help with something to do with the family, not himself. The first two approaches are consistent with a relationship based on fair trade. The third concerned/submissive approach is the one where suspicious minds could raise questions. Does his expression indicate guilt as he knows he is pulling a con, or reluctance as he thinks it might strain our relationship, or frustration & reluctance as he resents having to bear the responsibility of looking after the family? My guess, guess, is that it is some combination of the last two. Bangkok Guy takes his responsibilities to his family seriously. He is a stoic and not one to complain. But just occasionally a look or the tone of voice lets it slip that he resents the responsibility and the demands it places on him. It shows in his schizophrenic attitude to his home town. On the one hand he loves its physical beauty and clean air, on the other hand going there to be with family is not his favorite thing. I also suspect that his family may view me as a family ATM. “Son, you have great success, bring ATM to family, now empty ATM while the going is good, falang so unreliable need to empty now” while Bangkok Guy does not see it this way. I think Bangkok Guy wants a long term relationship. Misuse and abuse of the ATM is not consistent with that. My guess is that his family puts him in a difficult position. I have had two long term relationships, the first of which was with a successful self-made guy from a quite dysfunctional family who, after he became successful, made his life very difficult with their demands for lifestyle uplift. I thought they were a pack of c#nts and would have cut them off, after all they cut him off when they found out he was gay, before he became successful which somehow overcame their distaste for gay, but they were his family and he needed their acceptance (worthless and self-centered though it was). I suspect Bangkok Guy is in an analogous situation, although (i) his family are simply poor, only mildly dysfunctional and have no objection to him being gay and (ii) he is bound to them through the need to fulfill social norms more than through emotional dependence. If I am right in this, if, then the risk is that Bangkok Guy decides at some point that his dream of a long term relationship is not going to happen, or that I will not give him enough assistance to start his own business and become independent, in which case he is exposed to a return to a low-and-unreliable market income and a hand-to-mouth existence, in which case he may as well empty the ATM while he can. Bangkok Guy and I need to maintain faith in each other. Without trust, there is nothing.

You are actually right. Today I walked passed Nature Boy and had a short conversation with the person sitting at the door (couldn't really tell if it was a boy, girl or anything in between...). I was told Golden Cock and Nature Boy merged into one bar, in the location of Nature Boy (both bars were already from the same owner). Lighted signs with both bar names are now at the wall. Don't ask me for any details as I didn't go inside because I was in a hurry to get to my other engagements... But wanted to be able to give you guys a quick update.

that was very smart and prudent as quite often I see customers entering bars and calling some guy to seat with them shortly after. I'm one of those , if I see somebody I like I tend to call him right away.

probably yes but since we have only Gay Thailand forum and we not sure if airport ghosts are gay, most likely reader, OP did not want to risk their wrath and took secure road by placing it here. After all, ghosts , gay or not , can be everywhere , no ?

It's not brainwashing, it's infatuation. Love, or even a whiff of love, can be a powerful motivator. I highly recommend this documentary about a straight host bar in Osaka, where the hosts have a number of beautiful young women spending thousands of dollars a night -- even going into prostitution so they can maintain their spending. The hosts and the young women they are manipulating are brutally honest about what is really going on in these types of relationships. This documentary really opened my eyes. Please give it a watch. It's just amazing.

Maybe one reason is because if the relationship is already working well, for both, then why change it? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

you got me interested I need to watch it and confirm your findings. I watched few minutes in the middle and yes , based on that sample you are right ! It means one thing for sure , none of us is Japanese girl and we have better taste in men. A-men

I agree with every word you wrote in your post. And yet over the years many of us have seen it happen time and time again and that is why I keep warning about it, in hopes the next one to fall into the trap won't be anyone who reads this board. It is also common for farang to leave everything they have to a Thai go-go boy. I've seen several times the farang passed away and the boy got a very substantial amount of money, enough to support him and his family for many years. And yet in most instances within a year the boy was broke and right back in the bars - hoping to hit another jackpot. The better educated they are and the better kind of job they have, the less likely that is to happen, but most farang who meet the boy of their dreams while on a 2 or 3 week holiday meet only bar boys. Their own dream seems to have come true and they end up going to extraordinary lengths and tolerate things they would never tolerate from anyone else in trying not to lose it. While they hope to walk hand-in-hand into the sunset and live blissfully happily ever after, does anyone need me to tell how often it actually ends up working out that way?

From Channel News Asia TAIPEI: Taiwan will resume visa free entry for visitors from countries including the United States and Canada from next week, the government said on Monday (Sep 5), as it continues to ease controls put in place to contain the spread of COVID-19. Taiwan had kept its entry and quarantine rules in place as large parts of the rest of Asia have relaxed or lifted them completely, though in June it cut the number of days spent in isolation for arrivals to three from seven previously. Taiwan has reported more than 5.3 million domestic cases since the beginning of the year, driven by the more infectious Omicron variant. But with more than 99 per cent of those exhibiting no or mild symptoms, the government has relaxed rather than tightened restrictions in what it calls the "new Taiwan model". Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Centre said the resumption of visa free entry for visitors from the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Europe and diplomatic allies would start from next Monday. Visitors from more than 50 of these countries can stay in Taiwan for up to 90 days while those from Singapore, Malaysia and six other countries can stay for up to 30 days, according to a list published by the island's Bureau of Consular Affairs.

too bad I'm not in Bangkok on Saturday. I'd be happy to run away screaming too

and rightly so. I most cases we can't go wrong with trying to make boy as comfortable in our presence as possible . After all, even if paid , they are guests in our space. Better they feel , chances for better time with them rises exponentially. Of course we need to remember 'paid ' part and while making our guest comfortable we need to watch for signs of them feeling too comfortable thus taking advantage of our hospitality. If they agreed to something which is very important to us we have an option of enforcing terms of contract or cut agreed or intended compensation. If one is good with skipping kissing, sucking , fucking, showering together or whatever was expected but doesn't work , no harm done as in case above. But if say , hand holding for 1 hr. while watching episode 8 of KinnPorsche was very important to us and was agreed upon explicitly, we should let guy know we don't like it as a minimum and if need be , cut his tip or use my preferred solution - tell him next time he is approaching us that he has no chance of an off. If we still like guy for this or that there's even better idea, forget whole thing and give him second chance. It may work marvelously , for 128th time I repeat that my second worst and the best off were with the same guy. as for us asking juicy details remember that while we have right to be curious , you can exercise your right of telling us only as much as you want including ' none of your business" or simply skip the question.

That was true in July too. Credit to Hotmale. If only more bars followed that example. By the way, did you pay 350 baht or 400 baht for your first drink there? They certainly have, but the role of shows in the bars' business model has changed to dominate the business objective. This makes the boy hunter feel neglected. His interests are not well served. But first, we need to distinguish three types of shows: They are (a) live porn, (b) fancy dancing by boys (or, more often than not, hopelessly amateurish attempts at fancy dancing), and (c) fake singing by fake women (I think someone will rap me for being politically incorrect). Live porn and some degree of fancy dancing goes well with a boyticeria; it complements the business well, since it interests the same kind of customer, heightens the erotic quotient in the bar and lengthens the time he stays in the bar. Fancy dancing should not dominate the show programme otherwise the programme starts to slip into non-erotic mode. Fake singing by fake women is actually counter-productive for boyticerias. Customers aren't in the bars to watch women, real of fake, why waste their time demanding that they watch? The ladyboys tend to be overdressed and the performances are more like cabaret. The nett effect is to lower the erotic quotient, replacing it with bright lights, voluminous costumes and deafening volume. My memory from the days of Twilight and Barbiery in the 1990s was that live porn dominated their show programmes. There were some numbers by fake women, but not enough to seriously alter the tone of the bar. Then Extreme Bar came along (Soi Twilight, early 2000s?) and they introduced fancy dancing. They did not flash anything from under the belt in the entire programme and within a couple of years, the bar went out of business. But the damage was done. The other bars began to "improve" their shows. More fancy dancing, usually with real dancers brought in for the evening to do 2 or 3 numbers (nowadays we still see that in the "B-Boys" break dance numbers), and when bars needed to fill an hour-long programme, more diva items were added. Then, from 2005, Thailand saw huge increases in visitors from Asian countries and Russia. What happened next to the business model of the bars and to pricing is described in my latest post 15 years of price rises. These new visitors to Thailand, while middle-class enough to travel, weren't big spenders like Westerners. Offing boys might have been too costly for most of them. In any case, as I wrote: 6 - 7 years later, these Asian tourists were no longer surging into the Soi Twilight bars. My blogpost tries to explain why. But more damage had been done. Firstly, the shows had been bulked up; they were now too long in duration and too heavy with gatoeys (ladyboys) and secondly, drink prices had gone up to levels that were off-putting for customers who were primarily interested in the available boys and booking one of them out. Worse, as @emiel1981 also noticed, the book-able boys are mostly hidden away during the show. In short: Shows in the form of short bursts of live porn add value to the bars businesses; shows in the form of hour-long wanna-be cabaret subtract value.

Londoner, I m not sure whether ur last post was aimed (also?) at me. As far as I m concerned, ur comments didnt "fall on stony ground"; and I m not "dismissive" of anyone's preferences. In fact I wish all those involved all the best. All I asked was why, at least in some cases, the love exhibited by support doesnt manifest itself also in togetherness.....

One of my takeaways....That @vinapu and I wouldn't go with any of the hosts on that video 😆 Also, what is love and when someone SAYS they love you, what does it really mean....How many times have we lied to guys in bars only to go to other bars and say the same lies....like they pointed out in this video 😏

I wonder how this quotation from episode 10 passed censorship :" in this country any jerk with money can escape" how true in view of Red Bull heir case

I want to trademark it.

I agree. I'd prefer just a parade rotation sans the show. But I think the bar owners are more tuned in to what Asian audiences of both sexes like and that is a show. They want to be entertained for their pricey drink. It certainly seems to work for Moonlight and it was a big part of the draw at Lucky Boys. That's not to say they don't also come for--and regularly leave with--a boy. Those of us who are westerners are becoming more of a minority.

I really don't think they require any education. They seem to know how to do it quite well already.

oh, so in absence of strawberry Fanta, member card of Chinese Communist Party will do ? You are right about ghost believe entrenched in Thai culture. Now I'm watching , with delight I haste to say , KinnPorshe BL series and surely enough in the middle of the series they introduced ghost which changed substantially tone of the plot, so far skillful mixture of crime and love stories. On my last trip , after my ST guy left past midnight I decided to bring another bed warmer , by coincidence staying in the same hotel. Thinking I'm cracking a joke I told him I need somebody for rest of the night because I'm afraid of ghosts if sleep alone. Instead of expected paternalizing smile ' what an old fool " actually his gaze seemed understanding.

Part 5: Re-discovering Bangkok's touristic hotspots (... Because Bangkok has much more to offer than boys alone, right?) As I’ve written earlier, I was a yearly visitor of Bangkok since 2012. Off course I’ve been to all the famous tourist places over the years. Grand Palace, What Po… But as I’ve heard that tourist numbers still are so much lower than before covid9, I figured out it might be nice to re-visit some of these places again but now without it being too crowded. No crowds at Grand Palace today I’ve read that the 11 million Chinese travelers that arrived in airports in Thailand in 2019 made up more than 25 per cent of the Thai tourist industry for that year (there was a total of 39 million visitors in 2019). For Thailand I wish soon much more tourists will find their way to the Kingdom again. But it is actually nice for me to now take advantage of the lack of tourists in places that were over-crowded before covid19. With the Chinese still almost not traveling to Thailand yet, I was looking forward re-exploring Bangkok without the big Chinese tourist groups around. I took the advice from this forum to download the Bolt taxi app. As Bolt should be cheaper than Grab. For my trip from Le Méridien hotel in Silom to Gran Palace I looked up the prices: Bolt: 87 baht, 17 minutes waiting time Grab: 177 baht, 8 minutes waiting time So I thinks it's all about how much you want to pay and if you're in a hurry or are oke with a little longer wait... 🚕 Not busy at all in Wat Pho today It was indeed not as busy at Grand Palace and Wat Pho as I remember from my previous visits. Was nice after all these years to see those places again. And because not so many people around, beautiful opportunities to make some great pictures. I recommend to do the same if you're lucky to get to Bangkok somewhere in the next months. We can't be chasing boys all day and all night, can we...? Lol To conclude this posting; when I went to the atm it was asking me like always if I wanted to wish to proceed with the transaction with the conversion rate the machine was offering. I always wondered what was best to do. I always declined so my bank would just use the daily exchange rate. But some friends told me I better use the conversion option on the atm. Well... Happy I never listened to them. As conversion via atm would have cost met just over 300 euro. 💸 I just checked my digital account and my bank only charged me 286 euro... Good to know.

Part 0: Ready for take off While I'm writing this, I am at the airport waiting for my flight to Bangkok via Doha. Ready for almost 1 month in Thailand. Bangkok, Chiang Rai & Chiang Mai, Pattaya, Phuket… I have a busy schedule ahead. Planning to make an interesting trip-report for you guys. Off course with up-to-date information about all “boy fun” on offer at the moment. But also some non-sexual (boring…? haha) stuff. Any requests on what to check out while I’m around, let me know. The first time I came to Bangkok was in February 2013. As starting point for a two-month round tour in South-East Asia. It was my first time travelling solo. A big adventure. I instantly felt in love with SE-Asia. Not only because of the easy-to-get guys, but also because of the culture, nature and food. As a result, I would come back every year. As I worked in tourism, I had 3 months off every year in European low-season; the best months to travel in SE-Asia. I even managed to work in Phuket / Khao Lak a few months for the company a few years later. A dream come true. My last holiday in Thailand was in January / February 2020, just before covid19 hit. And now, after more than two years I am finally coming back! In my favourite city: Bangkok. It’s busy, smelly, humid and noisy. But somehow I like how vibrant it is. I’ve always been more a city-person than a beach-person. I was thinking about all the good memories I have in Bangkok. The many nights I’ve spent in Soi Twilight. You couldn’t enter that alley for 5 meters without being groped, touched and seduced by bar staff, moneyboys and touts trying to lurk you into their club for a “big cock show”. All fighting for your attention and money. Entrance of Soi Twilight in the old days I usually started the night with a drink on the terrace of Maxis bar. While sipping my rum&coke I could watch all the craziness going on in Soi Twilight. From there you had a good view on the massage boys of Bangkok Massage waiting for customers. Laughing girls passing by. Straight couples with the guy holding hands with his girlfriend and having a scared look in his eyes. Solo male tourists getting in ando ut of XBoys, Fresh Boys or Dream Boys. With or without their “catch of the day”. The first show I watched was at Dream Boys. How shocked I was seeing the act with the ladyboy with the very small penis and the acrobatic fuck show. And you could just choose from the guys on stage by telling the staff which number you like? A bit like Chinese take-away restaurant: choose what looks tasty from the menu, tell them what number you want and take home to enjoy… A whole new world to me; buto one I found very interesting and exciting. I also remember another club at the end of Soi Twilight that had a big water tank, where boys would swim in to do some kind of underwater erotic show. Was it Classic Boys? Watch this YouTube video to see how it was in Soi Twilight the good old days. Anyhow; I was used to all of it pretty soon. The shows in the different bars didn’t shock me anymore. After you’ve seen a few, you come to the conclusion they are all “same, same”. The only thing that kept me intrigued for some time, was the act where they slam their hard cocks with a loud bang into a metal pole. That must hurt! But somebody told me they really don’t slam their cock that hard into the pole. The noise is made because the slam something else (feet/leg?) into the pole at the same moment, so it looks the cock is making a harder impact than it actually does. But I never managed to actually see prove of this theory myself. Soi Twilight closed down (2020) Why am I writing this? Because as we all know Soi Twilight is gone. The last time I was in Bangkok, I had to settle with Patpong 2 instead. It’s good that some of the bars and clubs from Twilight found a new home in Patpong 2. But in 2020 I felt Patpong 2 was by far not having that special vibe that Twilight had. And for sure, covid19 will not have done anything good to change it become better. But let’s look at the bright side: Bangkok still has a lot to offer when it comes to boybars, erotic shows and sexy guys. And I’m about to go on a big adventure in the LOS again.

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Once again, @emiel1981's observations match mine - this time about Tarntawan Hotel. It is habitable, but it's getting really old. The dark wood of the heavy furniture is the one thing I remember most. I found it made the room gloomy, and that's not a mood I want to be in. I also have a personal dislike of bathtubs. A modern shower stall is important to me. preferably one big enough for two. So, except for maybe 2 visits perhaps 10 - 12 years ago, I have not been back.

I recall a rugby player in Australia putting peanut butter on his balls at a house party and letting the home owner's dog lick it off, all on video. He was kicked off the team, but I think he found a team in the UK that hired him. It was probably more that it was on video that got shared that got him trouble, and not the stunt itself. Rugby players are in a class all their own.

Isn't that what love is ?

I remember Remington's. I seem to recall it had a back room but it's been many years since I was last there. Same for Montreal that had a host of memorable places. As for Bangkok show bars, westerners jammed Dreamboys when it was on Twilight so we have to shoulder some of the responsibility for the popularity of the shows. We tolerated the performances so we could ogle the guys. 😄

yes , there are some girls there too, actually quite a lot in May me , my Boy de Last Night and other member hailed taxi on Suriwong in front of Patpong and paid 100 baht to Grand Palace tip included so it looks Bolt is not much better if at all and Grab just extortionate ....... yes, never accept ATM conversion rate but let bank convert it. I did the same in May and it was always more favourable , the same as you discover. Also because of bank fees, often on both ends, it's better to withdraw bigger amounts like 20000 or 25000 in one shot. Also when paying by credit decline conversion at point of sale and let bank to do that. So called ' dynamic conversion ' was invented to skin tourists alive, often without anesthetics.

I should have been more specific. It's actually eye contact that communicates interest. And a head turn--with or without mask--is not to be ignored. 😄 You're right. It's completely unfair but you can't compete with a straight guy's libido--unless of course you're prepared to wildly outbid the lady's best bid for his affection. But even then, you may well still end up disappointed.

I do. after all there's no difference for me who snatches for an off my favorite boy before I make move - Korean girl, Chinese lady, young Latino or elderly farang, member of this forum. Yes , sometimes their behavior is annoying with all that squeaks but guys in audience may be annoying too being excessively drunk or smoking even if not allowed. Point where girls are dangerous and this OP noticed at Jupiter is that they may be getting too much attention from boys. But even there there's good point - they are getting a lot of attention from staff as well thus leaving us alone and free from pestering

Which confirms what vinapu was pointing out - there are gay bars and boy bars. They cater to different audiences. Another boy bar is Boyzboyzboys in Pattaya. It started off as a gay bar but then changed to a boy bar when Chinese women began to outnumber gay customers.

I have been reading this thread with interest and thought I would share my experience with Bangkok Guy. I will preface this by admitting that as I do not speak Thai and am not on the spot, I may well completely misunderstand the situation and wake up one day to find it is indeed all a con. However, from my experience of Bangkok Guy, I don’t think it is. Bangkok Guy has three different sets of financial needs: · His own living expenses – rent, food, transport etc · Obligations from before the time that we met. These are wider family obligations such as the time-payment-tractor. · The obligation to look after his mother and sister, if they need help. The allowance I give him covers the first category (based on a comprehensive spreadsheet). I decided to cover his living expenses after I came to understand how unreliable and volatile his income from the market stalls is. With his living expenses covered, as long as he is working, he should be set, yes? Well, no. Not all the time and especially not if there are emergencies. Partly it goes back to the unreliability of the market stall income. Durian was good business, then prices fell. Then in the wet season the markets are not open every day, so he can’t work every day. If he can’t work for a prolonged period he gets stressed, even though his rent and other expenses are covered by the allowance, as experience tells him that at some point he will need to help out his mother and sister. He has been stressed about money for several months but, while telling me he has ‘pobpems’, he has been reluctant to ask for my help, even after I ask directly what the problem is and ‘How can I help?’ Finally, after several months, very awkwardly and embarrassed, he let me in on the problem. His sister had been in a traffic accident. It was her fault. Fortunately she is recovering ok. Unfortunately she is liable for the hospital bills and the damages. As he always does where money is concerned, he sent documentation. Pics of his sister in hospital and her ruined motor scooter. As the man in the family, he is expected to sort it out, and without my help he can’t. He is very stressed about this. It appears to me that most of his stress comes from having to ask me for help. He is clear that this is his problem, not my problem. I do not have to become involved. On the one hand, he could be a fantastic psychologist, taking the burden on himself knowing that I will respect that and offer to help. Top of the Class manipulation! What I think is more likely the case is that he really does not want to drag me into his family’s problems as he thinks it will alienate me, damage our relationship and he will loose me. He looks sick as he names the sum he needs. He still looks stressed after I agree to send the money. He thanks me, but he is stressed. He needs to see that I am truly ok with this, that it hasn’t damaged the relationship. I switch topics to our next trip, to Tokyo and Koh Samui. Ask him if he wants to take the Shinkansen to Kyoto. Show him the black cashmere jumper I bought for him so he will be warm in the Tokyo winter. He still does not look happy. “You need relax, work too much” Ah! A possible insight. He always thinks I work too much and need to relax more in order to live longer. Now he has put an additional burden on me. “In Tokyo and Koh Samui, I follow you” “You follow me? Sleep all day and all night?” He is looking more cheerful. “Not all day, I get bored, but yes we sleep. I look after you, you look after me”. Now he is smiling. I follow him. He is contributing something. We are still ok.

it may sound like fun killing but even better way is simply to avoid all spaces being too saturated with people. When panic starts chances of being crushed are high even if all exits are opened and unobstructed. Learned that lesson early , as a child I witnessed lady being trampled upon , thanks God , not fatally but still bruisy and bloody by crowd trying to get indoor to department store panicking from most of mundane reasons - sudden downpour. It's why nobody ever saw me at DJ Station

not too cheerful after 6 episodes, dead bodies here and there but still 8 to go so we will see. Vegas is almost as adorable , looks wise, as Porsche. Waiting for that story to develop

Part 3: “Massage? Massage sir? Massage? Special massage?” A familiar sound walking in Silom today. Boys outside massage shops saying "Massage? Massage sir? Massage? Special massage? “… I must say it's much less places in Silom where you get this questions while walking the streets then before covid. But still... On Surawong Road between the Tawan soi and Patpong there are a few (mixed staff) massage shops with male crew trying to talk you in. And also when you walk from Tawan to Silom Road, on the second part, this still happens. One of the massage shops with mixed staff on Surawong Road It was only a few times in all those years I came to Bangkok that I went for a massage in an actual shop. I did go a few times for massages when I was in the now closed Babylon Sauna. I liked that place. It looked modern and clean. Nice dark steam rooms where it was always exciting to make your way through it while touching and feeling around you… But somehow in Babylon I always had the feeling that it was more about cruising around, watching and waiting for somebody better or hotter to pass by. There was not that much real action going on. Or it was just me. Maybe I was too shy and never took enough initiative. I must say I think its a shame Babylon is closed. Used to like going there. Anyhow; back to the passage part: I liked it how there was a sign in the room in Babylon where you could book your massage saying “no happy end”. While everybody will know that actually happy end was always possible with their massage boys. I was lucky they always put me in a “more private” part of the massage floor. As I did see that there where also massage tables in places where others could see what was happening when they passed by. Most of the times I wanted a massage in Bangkok, I would go on Grindr and invite one of the many boys offering massages to my hotel room. Sometimes a miss, but most of the times it worked out very well. On my last trip I was in Bangkok twice, as I most of the times did and also this year plan to do. I start my holiday in Bangkok, will travel around and will stay in Bangkok again on my last days. I remember I had the same massage boy coming to my room in the beginning and end of my holiday, as I liked his “services” very much. I found out I still had his number in my phone. Would he still be “in business” Decided to send him a message on WhatsApp. It must have been a sign from above or something that put paths had to cross again, because before he had actually read my massage on whatsapp he found me on grindr and messaged me also. Of course this is not how he sent me his picture. For privacy reasons I've put that smiley there... Anyhow. Arrangements were made quickly. And a few hours later he was in Le Méridien in my room. His price went from 1800 baht before covid to 2000 now. But I found this an acceptable raise given his trackrecord. Massage again was good but relaxing. And also enjoying his sexy body and good sex afterwards was how I remembered it. He's a good bottom that does the exact right amount of moaning while fucking him in different positions. Not too quiet but also not too much and loud like in some porn movies. When guys do that I always think they fake it. Originally he's from the Philippines. Speaks perfect English. Because he couldn't find enough customers anymore during the pandamic to finance his art school, he had to stop studying and is now working in an boring office. He also didn't have the money to go back to his family in the Philippines. He's hoping that in time more tourists like us will find their way back to Bangkok so he can get more customers again and finish his study. After we said goodbye I went for a swim in the hotel pool and some relaxing, reading and writing this report. Wondering what the evening will bring today...

Nevertheless, JC is the place to be! It is the last outpost for such as I. And, taking into account the fact that I'm no longer in the market, it is vibrant, more than gay-friendly....and fun. I suspect that the twinks of yore do not exist in Pattaya for a variety of social and economic reasons. In the past, large families in rural areas resulted in the youngest children leaving in their late teens to find work. I'm suggesting for one moment that life is easy and that poverty isn't very real, only that social conditions have improved. Helped, of course, by contraception. The young are staying home. As an example, in 2001, P left home for Pattaya and after some other jobs, ended-up in BT. His twenty-one year-old nephew, both gay and cute (a winning combination) is happily living in the same village and with an enormously improved life style. Pad's family didn't even have electricity until 2000.

many boys , many bars, many farangs, massage , meal and accommodation options abound in very close vicinity. Even airport bus is just walking distance. Thoese are advantages of Jomtien. Disadvantage in my opinion - both boys and bars very uniform and hard to tell one apart from the other. If one is into twinks , it's paradise or close to. If one is looking for hunks , tough place but not impossible to find. One of my best treasures ever was found (or rather found me) at @Home bar. So again old mantra, go and check, even better , more than once

Part 2: First night in the bars... After a quick bite in Central Silom Complex I went for a walk. Clearly it was still too early to hit the bars. Soi4 was empty, apart from some people having dinner. Patpong same story. Empty. I did a quick check on what bars opened up after covid in Patpong2. I can confirm these are all still closed. And no signs suggest it will open soon. Maybe that will have changed end of this month, when I'm back in bangkok also again for a few night. Will see. I walked around to Patpong1. Where the night market used to be. So strange to see this street so empty and dark now. But everywhere it was quiet; also on Silom Road and Surawong Road. This area used to be so lively and buzzing before covid19. When I returned to Patpong 2 around 10pm, it looked like still not much going on. Apart from the patio of Dreamboy: a lot of shirtless boys were hanging around there. All way too busy on their phones to notice me walking by. On the other side of the soi, a tout tried to talk me into Freshboys. And as I set myself a goal on checking as much of the gogo bars as possible, I went in. The bar was packed. When I entered there were around 25 customers. At the beginning of the show (that started around 10:15pm) more guests came in. Till around 35 guests where seated around the stage. I counted only 5 girls, the rest was a good and balance mix of younger Asians and older farangs... The mamasan was fun, lively and not pushy at all. Same for the waiting staff. I've read other trip reports about airco freezing your tits off. That was not the case here tonight. Nice temperature. And also the music was not too loud to my opinion. Could still talk to mamasan en waiters. The wodka-coke costed me 400 baht. Many boys on stage. Must have been around 25 available guys. In all shapes, forms and sizes. Most guys had no or just only small tattoos. Only few boys had massive artwork on their bodies. In general I found the guys on the hunky (slightly muscular) side rather than the twinkly (very slim) side. But as I said, there were boys for every taste available... All wearing white (wide) sport shorts. So no tight underwear. There was one boy with a very intriguing tattoo of antlers on his lower abdomen. They disappeared under his shorts. Was curious to see till where this tattoo went. I was told this boy is gay and "can do everything". So it might be interesting to go back for him another night. The kind of antlers tattoo I'm talking about. But on this internet picture on another part of the male body... The show itself was fun to watch. Kudos for the ladyboy/draq queen. She came back on stage 3 times during the show. In some glamorous outfits. She picked a few good songs, the lipsync was spot on. The special effect at one of the show where spectaculair. She was wearing gloves that actually where on fire. The only little down aide was that she had no background dancers as eye candy. When I left Freshboys she was outside on the balcony so I complemented her with her performances and have 100baht tip. She told me tomorrow she is celebrating her birthday in Freshboys and invited me to come again. Will see what tomorrow brings. After 5 acts, the show paused for around 10 minutes for a boy parade. After that the show continued with more acts. Gogo dancers, candle wax being poured over an oiled up body, a solo act with a good looking guy groping himself and jerking off (without cumming in the end), two guys playing with soap in the shower (including some deep sucking)... It was all there. The big cock parade including the cock-slapping-against-the-pole... And begging for tips at the customers. So fun to see that when a customers gives one of the boys a tip, all other boys quickly gather around the poor customer all asking to also get money... Like bees on honey I would say... Its less fun watching it now I know this. Instead of staring at their cocks I was only looking at their knees. And indeed that's how the sound of impact is made... Of course it ended with a fuck show. With the boys still being connected to each other making a round through the public. There were going to be more acts afyer another break but it was time for me to move to Dreamboy. Another wodka-coke, but this one cost me 450 baht. The midnight show was about to start but I was on time to still have a good look at the boys on offer parading on stage before the show. I can confirm what has been written in earlier trip reports by others (see quote below): the boys here are in general a bit older, have a "rougher" look and quite a few look like they put one a few extra pounds during the covid lockdown. Dreamboy does have a lot of boys on stage (this evening when I was there around 25 and I was told there had been some offs already as I came in just before midnight), but just a few could meet "my standards". But than again, maybe all the in-shape hotties already went to a hotel room with a customer as I arrived a bit late. I counted around 12 guests, with just 2 girls there to watch the show. The show was disappointing. The boys doing the acts where in my opinion not the most pretty ones. Same for their ladyboys/draq queens. When one of them came off the stage to come close to me doing her lipsyncing, I could see her pockmarked face that even a thick layer of make up could not hide. Sorry to say this so directly. But it has to be an honest report with my opinion... Also the songchoice did not help. Where the briljant ladyboy/draqqueen at Freshboys used some showstopping up tempo medleys, in Dreamboy they choose slow diva songs. Before I knew it, it was time for the famous acrobatic fuckshow. I was close to 1am and Dreamboy was about to close. Decided not to off anybody. As I said I was disappointed by the boys on offer tonight. Must say Dreamboy did better for me before covid19. While Freshboys tonight was really good. But off course it's all about what you're looking for and what your individual taste of boys is... Because by now everything was closed already, I couldn't go to another place for a last-minute off. So... I think I have to make up for this tomorrow... But that's for a next report. Hope this was detailed enough for a good report? 😜

we are waiting impatiently, no pressure though

What you read is the way it was in Pattaya pre-Covid. Not anymore. Boyztown has go-go bars, but they are comparatively expensive and don't appeal to everybody. Sunee Plaza is down to just a couple go-go bars. They too don't appeal to everybody, but are much less expensive. Walking through Sunee Plaza these days is like walking through a darkened dead zone. Loads of bars - most of them closed The women in go-go bars were almost all Chinese. Now there are none. Also, not everybody needs or is all that interested in go-go bars in the first place. I think Jomtien Complex is so much more popular now because there are many more boys working there than Boyztown and Sunee Plaza. Also Jomtien Complex is alive with activity, beer bars, restaurants, close proximity to shops, close proximity to the beach. It simply is much more fun there. While it is true no go-go bars are permitted there (and in all my years here I have never seen a regulation that actually prohibits them), I know of no regulation that says the boys can't take off their shirts if they want to and occasionally some do. People have to accept that much of the Pattaya gay scene paradigm has changed. How much of it and how soon it might change back is another question and remains to be seen. Don't expect much to change any time soon. Anybody besides me remember that crazy nut case, Bad Boy Billy? He swore he was going to buy up all the vacant bars and turn them into go-go sleaze bars. He's another one who disappeared from the scene and the boards. A few years ago he tried to get back on my board, but mean old Gaybutton wouldn't let him. Sometimes I wonder if I made a mistake by that. Oh well - I hope my curmudgeonliness didn't cost Pattaya a bunch of gay sleaze go-go bars that might have put Eros to shame. I also believe that if enough pressure is applied and enough money finds its way into the right hands, the day will come when Jomtien Complex finally does permit go-go bars. The best way for you to research is to check out all three areas for yourself and decide which works best for you.

I don't know if this story is one you haven't heard before. I've posted it before and it is one of my personal favorites. I knew a money boy who used to carry 5 telephones with him. When I asked him why, his answer was he has 5 different farang, so he carries a different phone for each of them. He has long since disappeared from Pattaya. I always wondered what he would do if he managed to reel in several more farang. In my opinion it is not a question of whether a boy is trying to scam you. The bar boys are money boys. Every one of them would love to have a farang benefactor. They've hit the jackpot if they meet a farang who will not only support them, but their families too. For most of the boys, their families are their first priority. They'll starve before failing to send money to the family each month. That is virtually ingrained into their culture. If you're going to support any of these boys because you want to "pull him out of poverty", that's your choice. First, I don't know what makes you think you are his only farang. Sometimes you are and sometimes the boy has several. If he is one who has several, do you think he's going to tell you about it? If you want to help the boy of your dreams - the one you met on your 2 or 3 week holiday, the safest thing to do is give him a very substantial amount of money when you are ready to leave to go back home - to your world of reality - don't give him your contact information (unless you want to deal with constant pleas for more money, and believe me that is exactly what is most likely to happen), tell him goodbye and maybe you'll see him next trip. Again, unless you are willing to take over full financial responsibility for his life, you're not going to pull him out of poverty, you're not going to significantly change his life, you're not going to become his rags to riches Horatio Alger story, you're not going to become his hero, but you will lose being the one in control and you will end up spending a hell of a lot of money, probably much more than you anticipated, and eventually you will have no choice but to end it with him. That is what nearly always happens. It is not the exception. And again, do you truly believe you are doing him any favors by removing his incentive to find a good job? He can't be a bar boy forever. What becomes of him when the money stops rolling in? Has he found a good career or is it right back to the rice farm? Then comes your next holiday. What are you going to do on that holiday when you meet another "boy of your dreams", go through the same thing all over again or by then will you have learned your lesson - the hard way? Bottom line: Use your head.