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Agreed - I also had the same thoughts. There was no ulterior motive behind the act - I am a realistic guy, not lonely nor looking for love, and I know he is a money boy and understand his line of work. I'm not trying to get better service or anything, merely just doing something nice because I appreciated our time together. But I do understand your sentiment. Exactly!

repetitive yes but boring ? no subject ever generates that much heat like money, specially other's people money. It's why we have so many posts about tips like you noticed, we always had and in future we will. Interest in beauty of Grand Palace or Ayuthaya ruins fades fast when somebody posts that his boy rejected generous 1000 baht offer for long time and counteroffered greedily with 10000. I don't even want to start with thinking what would happen here if that 10000 was agreed upon and paid

I do see things a bit different than GB. But, that does not mean he is wrong. It just means we see different. I gave my first Thai BF an ATM card from Paypal. He took out money each day. Yes, some days he want overboard and as karoke went on longer, the more he withdrew. It was good conversation and it stopped. For others, I have just used direct deposit to their account. I have maintained bank accounts in Thailand for 20 years and it is easy to transfer in and share. I have never regretted helping a lad that helped me and was kind to me. If I had the money, and he needed it, I'd send. I still do. But, I have slowed down. At one point many moons again I was taking care of 9 guys at one time. That was nuts. Now, only 2 in Thailand. I always share my contact with the guys and rarely do they abuse it. I know my style is not for all, but it works for me and GB's works for him.

So I thought I would do something nice for my favourite bar boy in Bangkok, I noticed on his line profile that his birthday was coming up so I thought I would send some flowers as a surprise, but then decided against it in favour of sending something a little more useful. So I had a bit of a search on google and found a place that does decent gift baskets and decided to send him one with some food items, directly to the bar. Anyway, I wasn't even sure if the package was going to make it as I had not used this service before, I only know my boy by his nickname (and first name), and I didn't know if he was even going to be at the bar the night of his birthday (and package delivery date). So it was all a bit of a gamble. Anyways, I ended up receiving a flurry of line messages thanking me profusely for his present, so I was glad that the package was delivered successfully and also glad to make him happy. This was the service I used if interested: https://www.basketeer.co.th/en/ . I'm not really the romantic type, but just felt like doing something thoughtful for my favourite bar boy whilst I am away from Thailand.

I wanted to say that but you were faster, Then foreigners were rarity , now , at least in some bars they seem to dominate. Biggest difference is that then they had smile and cock, now they have smile, cock and smartphone which is often more rigid than their cock.

Well, mine are older. They were 20 back then. Now, they are 40. 20 years makes a huge difference in age.

That is what I think, but not in the way you probably think I think . . . He did exactly right and he tried his damnedest to pull it off. This is just the kind of trap I keep trying to warn about. If you're in Thailand for a holiday, enjoy the boys, but don't let the money boys get too close to you. The non money boys either. Enjoy it while you're in Thailand, but don't give him any of your contact information - None. If you made the mistake of giving him your Email address, Facebook page, or anything else, change it as soon as you return home. In Thailand buy a cheap phone and put in a Thai SIM card that you can get rid of when you leave. If he wants your phone number, give him that one. You can get perfectly good, very cheap phones here for as little as 300 baht. If you have a LINE ID, change it to something else when you return home. Especially if you're inexperienced in Thailand, you do not want any of these boys to be able to contact you after you leave. If you think the boy of your dreams that you met here is any different, think again. "Not this boy. He's different." Is that so? If you're wondering why I also said non money boys, I'll try to illustrate why I said that. Many years ago, long before caller ID or any of the modern gimmicks, the phone rang and my father answered it. After saying hello, he simply listened. After several minutes he said, "I can't afford a free vacation" and hung up. Got the idea? I hope you'll heed my advice rather than finding out the hard way that you should have . . .

Others may disagree with me, but I've learned not to even try to buy gifts for the boys. Instead I give money and let them buy what they want. Most times when farang buy gifts for the boys, the boy will react very happy about it. Later he will either throw it away or give it to somebody else. Giving money may seem tacky to us, but believe me, unless the boy specifically asked for something, he'll appreciate money much more than a gift you pick out for him. And to the boys a gift of money is not tacky at all.

The flip side of the question is likewise worth considering: How are customers different than say 20 years ago? They're older They're more suspicious They're more paranoid Other than that, I don't see a lot of difference 🙂

The new generation of money boys are more business oriented they want money here and now they don't develop unrealistic expectations for long term romantic relationship with falangs . The most important change is that the quantity and quality of the Thai boys available reduced substantially due the huge improvement in the Thai economy.

It was a lovely gesture. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Glad you said that. You'll never regret being polite and smiling. It has to be about 12 years ago that I was approached by a gorgeous guy on Soi Tarntawan who was hawking for Super A bar. I can still remember his line" "You don't have to buy drink. Just go take a look." I had been to Super A before and knew I'd never find a guy this good inside so I replied, "you're a really cute guy; would you like to come to my hotel?" He seemed taken aback and after a few seconds responded with. "OK, 4,000 baht." I'd never heard a number like this before and I said, "you're not that cute." I regret it to this day. Not only because it was unkind, but it wasn't true. He was that cute. Those four words abruptly ended any opportunity I may have had with him. That I can still recall the exchange a dozen years ago makes it all so clear to me that I've never really forgotten him. When I passed by him a week or so later, he just looked down and shuffled his feet. Why didn't I just make a counter offer? Why didn't I apologize when I saw him again? Because I was stupid.

Unless he is feminine I probably wouldn't send flowers If he was muscle (my type) probably protein powder

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Pete Buttigieg Opens Up About Twins' Birth, Health Issues for 1st Time The secretary and his husband, Chasten, had previously avoided going into specifics. In a new piece written on his Medium account, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg details how he became a father. Buttigieg and his husband, Chasten, first announced they were first set to become fathers in August 2021. The news came after the pair had previously explained their adoption struggles. In early September, the two announced the birth of their first children, Penelope Rose and Joseph August Buttigieg. Now they have confirmed that the children were adopted. "It was what they call a 'surprise' adoption scenario — a mother had given birth that day and wanted to arrange adoption," Pete writes in a new Medium post. The piece was written by both Pete and Chasten but in Pete's voice. "The agency explained that there were some sensitive circumstances and potential health complications for us to weigh, but also that we would need to quickly decide whether we were prepared to travel to the rural hospital and begin the process. And one more thing to consider: it was twins!" Hours later, the two men were holding the children, who were born premature, in their arms. "Health issues meant nearly two anxious weeks in the hospital before we were discharged, but the day finally came," Pete writes. According to the post, Penelope developed "severe reflux, terrifying us when she would stop breathing and turn purple in a matter of seconds." It had been previously announced that Joseph, who they nicknamed Gus, developed a respiratory infection as well. Now the Buttigieg family has revealed it was RSV and the entire family — including Pete and Chasten — soon got it. By October, we had started to feel more confident and comfortable with all the routines (and the surprises) of parenting. Then one day, the kids got a cold. Soon it was a cough. Then Penelope started to have trouble breathing. Over FaceTime, our doctor expressed concern about the way her belly was retracting under her ribs as she worked to take in air. Chasten drove her to the Emergency Room while I stayed home with Gus. His skin took on a mottled look, and by the next day he was admitted to the hospital too. Just as we had during our first days with them, we again learned to live out of a hospital room, this time in Traverse City. We would take turns shuttling supplies from home and sleeping by the kids’ side, and I would try not to distract the nurses when the phone rang with a work call. While most of the family recovered, Gus's condition reached "critical" with the child being intubated. He was transferred to a children's hospital in Grand Rapids, Mich., where he and the family stayed for days. Pete wrote that he was reminded of his father, "whose last days played out on a ventilator in an ICU room like this as he lost his battle with lung cancer." As this was all going on, he often still had to work. Gus stabilized after a week. The children, now 1 year old, are both currently healthy. As much of this was going on, the Buttigiegs were under attack by Republicans. Some accused Pete of not doing enough to fight the supply chain breakdowns and going on parental leave — much of which was spent in hospitals, according to this new information. The Buttigiegs have not publicly responded to the lion's share of those attacks, which have often stemmed from homophobia, suggesting that two men should not be parenting children together.

Guess I'll just count myself as very lucky. The last six years of my life have been the happiest of the preceding 70. Up until that point I'd always considered myself a committed butterfly. I don't concern myself with "true" love. I'm perfectly happy just to have someone simply to love. I don't need a litmus test with which to measure it. We insulate ourselves by the use of language. We become "clients", young men become "professionals." That makes it easier to put the required emotional distance between us. For many, that's a healthy way to look at it. The parties part ways without emotional baggage. I tip my hat to all those who find contentment in their later years without any emotional attachments. At one time I counted myself in that camp. And then a simple smile turned my life on a dime. You may think of me as foolhardy and delusional. So be it. But you can't feel what I feel; know what I know. We all came to Thailand because we sought sexual intimacy we couldn't find at home. Please be tolerant of those of us who discovered emotional intimacy and affection in that same pursuit.

That is exactly the kind of problem I'm warning about. Some might be lucky and it doesn't happen, but believe me that is the exception. The problem is, as I said, no matter how much you give, it's never enough. And the pleas for money never stops. One poster calls my advice ludicrous and says just block him. Really? Try it. Just try it, It won't take long to see how doing that seems like it will work, except for one thing - it doesn't . . . If you want to send money as a gift, by all means send how much you want. No problem about him knowing who sent it if, and only if, he doesn't get your contact information.

OH!! But I think Old Daddy's Electrican??? 😋

The so called "advice" re not giving contact info etc is way over the top and quire frankly ludicrous. If you do not want someone contacting you just block them...

Agree 100% - when I made longer trips to Pattaya ( 1 to 4 months) I usually acquired a longer term young boyfriend living with me in a rented condo. I gave regular money at weekly or 10 day intervals and can remember one boy feeding part of the gift into an atm to be withdrawn by his mother in Isaan. Of course in addition there were small gifts such as clothes and cheap jewellery but most was cash. After receiving the cash one boy treated his friends, but I was rewarded by good attitude and sex.

I will never get involved with flowers again. A guy who worked at Nice Boys was stalking me. I was playing pool next door and he introduced himself to me. He was heavy set, not my type at all. But after the bars closed we would get food across from the McDonald’s at the end of soi vc. I liked hanging with him because he spoke very good English and was rather fun. often he would try to hug me and tell me he wanted to take care of me,etc. He’d often say “who will love me?”. I told him he’s young and has plenty of time to meet someone. We hung out for a couple months and one day I mentioned that the stock market crashed, when Covid started. Well he told me he was a day trader in stocks, yeah right. He was a total bs artist, fine by me, still liked hanging with him. So after many turndowns on my part, about going to karaoke, I went to an after hours party with just Thai money boys. I don’t even know where we were , but a flower lady kept pestering me to buy a rose. I did and gave it to the guy. Really joking but it was Valentine’s Day I think. When I got back home after a couple of months, he posted on my Facebook page a photo of me with him and the rose. I don’t check fb everyday but friends were messaging me telling me congrats etc. I don’t remember the photo being taken but it seems very calculating on his part. I told him not to post on my Facebook and I’m not going to contact him in future. I know you’re going to think say he did nothing wrong, and you’re right. But looking back it hit me how manipulative he was. I somehow friended him twice on fb. He used different names etc.His photo is on Nice Boys page. He was fired from there for being friends with a boy who ripped the bar off. My associating with the guy who was fired had me threatened and I was told my legs would be broken. I quickly cleared up that mess. I’d rather not go into that, as it was a misunderstanding.

nobody asked me but I do : wake up, take shower , brush teeth, shave, have breakfast and go from there

Thai baht garland. (USD/Euro garland will be even more impressiv!!)

Do you think with just a little more effort (i.e., stay up till 3a.m.) you could get one of them down to 400 and 31 minutes?

What's weird about trying to make boy happy at very modest cost? Isn't it reason good enough ? I once sent money to guy I learned was in trouble at that time. He did not ask me about anything and I offed him only once before. I just liked way he was trying to get himself out of his hole by taking very low job so decided to help , expecting nothing in exchange. Or one may say just to feel good myself. And I did when two years later he recognized me passing by in soi 4

probably because it's much easier , thus more common, to have good sex than good luck in love, specially distance one. So good experience in the first in prevailing over bad in the second.

So true, the world over.

you are right vinapu...don't rule out the unexpected.

when GW Bush was elected did we expect that next president will be black ? And when he was elected did we expect that next one will be Orange Overlord ?

don't take it personally but this is common excuse for Cheap Charlies. I don't think we need any excuse for not giving money to somebody we barely know. We also don't need excuse if we decided to respond to request, it's all between us and a boy in question. Problem is not to get entrapped in barrage of constant requests like you were with that Patong guy. Then only thing that would work is either to block contact or liberally use phrase " I can't" without going to too much explanation.

I think giving money is not a good idea , it might cause unrealistic expectations from the boy point of view for receiving more money in the future and a modest gift the PO sent to him is a good Idea. Few years ago I had beutiful money boy whom I met in Phuket/ Patong in one of the bars there who travel with me for a week after coming back home I received many pleading requests from him for money, he implied that he doesn't want to go back to the bars scene and prefer to stay at his mom house I foolishly sent him 10k BHT so he can start new life on his hometown but then the requests for money become more frequent and for substantially bigger amount , I stopped answering the boy and ignored all his messages. it was the first and last time sending money to a Thai boy.

I admire you helping the boys. I think if you can afford it, it’s fine. I tip generously, but I try to avoid getting involved with most boys as I did in the past. Social media is off limits, and Gaybutton is right about buying a cheap phone and another SIM card. However I do regret not getting contact info from a couple guys that worked at the now closed Good Boys. I would have paid them to come from their province just for the sex. The problem being they spoke almost no English.

Most people who have lived in Thailand a long time have come to the view that giving a cash gift however tarted up is the best you can give as a birthday gift here. 😀

Thank you very much for the encouragement! Maybe I'll poke my head in the place; he might not even be around anymore. Or maybe to save face, our previous tiffs will be swept under the carpet.

Nice Boys - next door types on a bit of rough but adventurous side. Shy types don't need apply there

that classic example of cultural difference. While in many places most likely both boy and you would laugh if off and moved on, Thai boy took it as offensive. As consolation , I had similar exchange with one of Tawan boys , replace " cute " with "I like you". Fortunately he took my "I don't like you THAT much " better, most likely because he knew me from the bar visits before and could have word or two about me from his bar friends. Subsequently I even offed him few times.

You are absolutely correct. I just looked into going to China and I was very surprised in what I found.

Good options, although personally I think I would rather walk than ever take another Viva Air flight...

I plan to make a trip at the end of March to delhi, I have heard a lot ..... I would like you to tell me experiences ?????????

Im pretty sure flowers or any gesture really for a gay boy, feminine or not, coming from someone he loves or respect, will be appreciated. I totally support that gifts should be something useful and thoughtful. But nothing stops us to give them both, flowers and food for example lol

don't let nasty manager deprive you chance of enjoying his guys. Just ignore him

Swiss lodge, now Le Siam, has, for many years, been our hotel of choice whenever we pop down to Bangkok for a few days. We were last there in early April this year. Noise was not a problem then and the hotel is double or triple glazed. Sadly, although they were serving breakfast, unlike our stay in December 2021, it was in the form of a set meal and nothing like what we were used to. Even the coffee makers and the lifts (elevators) are still Swiss made reminding one of the past. I could never understand why they channged the name. I would also add that we have always been treated very well by the staff, many of whom are long serving.

For me, Turks are very hard to deal with, which makes Turkey far less attractive for this sort of trips. If you speak the language it might be different but most guys will try to charge you more than what you pay in Europe, although it is far less expensive there. I believe that is because escort scene is scarce there. They will use fake photos, they will disappear in the middle, or they will try to rob you or try to charge you more once you meet. What is the worst is that most of them cannot deliver...They don't really understand what it takes to be an escort, they think it is an easy job or low hanging fruit if you are willing to do some anal (top). One time I got myself into a difficult situation: a well advertised escort on hunqz (he is probably still there) came to me and of course, I always explicitly ask if he can kiss with tongue and can get hard before meeting. He didn't wanna kiss after we met and said he had some teeth problems (a lie or at least he should have told me that when I explicitly asked about tongue kiss) and then he recorded me while I am giving a head to him. I confronted him, which he denied but i am 100% sure he recorded me. Unfortunately, you cannot get police involved in this sort of countries, so you are left with far less options. If you talk to expats who live in Turkey, you will realize how hard the boys there are. Anyway, for me it is too much hassle without much pleasant result so I don't really go to Turkey for this sort of things. Turkey itself is a nice country and people are usually friendly (except the taxi drivers but taxi drivers are bad everywhere). For Aquarius, most guys also cannot deliver in cabin, but to me, that is the best option you have if you decide to explore. Don't expect the quality of service you get in Barcelona or Brazil. I also got lucky with a lebanese boy twice and I found him on grindr. I paid but he was very easy to deal with and a good experience in bed, but that was long time ago. Regarding hammams, in the past I was able to explore these places but I hear there are very difficult these days because of Erdogan crackdown. I don't have a first hand experience, so maybe someone else can provide more updated info. Regarding massages, I always wondered why there are no massage places in turkey. They have hammams, and massage is popular everywhere in the world but I couldn't find any massage place in Istanbul. You don't see them on street either...If you happen to find good ones, do let us know.

You should consider yourself as a very lucky man because it is very rare to find true love with much younger guy then you from a completely different culture then yours.

thank you , you have a good heart ! Way OP asked question made it somewhat easy to answer

not sure what it is supposed to mean 'bit trashy" but whatever it is, nothing to be apprehensive about. Boys are as nice as BKK ones, prices of drinks, off fees , massages and expected tips are lower indeed. If you are looking for twinks you will find galore of them in Jomtien Complex as well as Winners and whatever was left from Sunee Plaza glory. Nice Boys staff may be a bit on rough side but in positive sense of it - less inhibited I'd say. For more meatier guys head to Boyztown, BBB and Dreamboys will be your destination there. If you bored during day, trip to Koh Larn ( with boy or three in tow), Sanctuary of Truth and Noong Noch (spelling? ) Tropical Gardens and Big Buddha on top of the hill at the center are you daytime distractions. Central Festival and Terminal 21 are malls to visit if you re shopper. Lots of restaurants so you won't starve, if you like street food , you will find plenty of it between Wat Chai and Tukcom. Baht bus is 10 baht and motorsai between Jomtien and the center will be 60-100 depending on driver , time of day, your negotiating skills, how you dressed and phase of moon. If you arrive by Airport bus ( recommended), terminal is walking distance of 6 minutes 37 seconds from Jomtien Complex, if by bus from Ekkamai bus station to North Pattaya Bus Station , it will be 50--100 by songtawew (baht bus) or motorsai to Boyztown, unless you stop songtaew on the main street, that it will be 2 times 10 baht as you must change at Delphin roundabout. As for hotels, in Boytzown Classroom (more quiet) , just above ABomb boy bar or in Boyztown proper Copa or Ambiance are your choices, all gust friendly like 127.43% of Pattaya hotels. In Jomtien complex Zing Resort or The Venue are cheaper choices, Agate , East Suites and Poseidon are more for affluent types like you.