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A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around. I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time. But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family. "Love", well, it's subjectively defined. Many "straight" relationships are no different. Money and other security is the glue that binds. And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons. Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

(part 13) The story of 2 unfriendly boyfriends It was a rainy night in Jomtien Complex. Rain wasn't heavy but non-stop for hours. Most bars in the soi were empty. Many boys didn't bother showing up for work and pickings were slim. Wet and cool weather put me in the mood for a massage, so I put up my umbrella and checked out the nearby places. I saw no one at Soda but there were 2 boys standing in front of No. 1 Massage, both of whom I never saw before. Both are cute in different ways. The shorter one was medium-built with a cute face and poreless complexion. The taller one has a slim, taut body and big eyes. While I was approaching, Taller threw a cold glance in my direction then walked away. Not a friendly way of greeting potential customers. Shorter stayed put but didn't look any friendlier, avoiding eye contact as much as he could. Normally, I would give it a pass and look somewhere else as friendliness rates very high in my book. But the rain didn't give me much choice and boy was my type. So I stopped and said hello. Fortunately, Shorter's English is quite good (would be hard to try Google translation outdoor in that weather) and he himself was talkative. His name is S, 25 years old, from somewhere near Bangkok. Today was his first day working in No. 1 Massage but no customers because of the weather. "How much do you want for a massage with happy ending?" "1200, but no sex" What, do we have other kinds of happy ending that do not involve sex? Turned out by "sex" he meant anal f*cking. He can kiss, suck and chuckwow. That worked for me. So I asked him to go with me to my hotel. "No, I only do it in the shop. I don't go customer's place." It was only around 11pm something but his shop already closed due to lack of business. It looked like we can't do it that night. "How about the other boy? The one who was with you just before now. Does he go to customer's place?" "He's my boyfriend and he's same same. No go outside" Interesting, what he just said reminds me of Boy No 6 and his boyfriend (reported in parts 8 and 10) who have been working in the same go-go bar in Bangkok and who doesn't mind the other going with customers. Anyway, that doesn't solve the problem at hand. "Look, my hotel is right there" I point in the direction of Agate, which is literally 20 meters from where we was standing. "You have nothing to be afraid of." S looked unsure. I think he really could use a customer that rainy night but the idea of venturing outside the safety of his shop somehow scared him. So we stood there for ten more minutes in the rain while S debated the pros and cons. He talked to another co-worker in Thai, then made a call to (later he told me) his boyfriend. Finally, he said "Ok, I can go. But promise me you don't try to fuck me in the room." Do I look like that desperate rapist, who wouldn't even spare a goat??? Inside my room, things got much better as I usually have a way of putting people at ease and and making them open up. S started working on my legs and back, while telling me about his relationship. His boyfriend is 3 years younger than him at 22, and they've been together for nearly 5 years. Impressive. It looks like their relationship is going strong (No 26 and his boyfriend been together for only about 6 months). That long time also means it's easier for them to handle a sexually open relationship. S has been doing massage job for almost 2 years. He and his boyfriend made a deal: they can do almost everything with customers but no fucking either way. S is bottom and his boyfriend (who started the relationship with S when he was barely 18) is the only one who can f*ck him. That's why he didn't do out-call lest a customer force him to do something he's not willing to. "Then why you go with me?" "Because you don't look like a bad person" (by "bad" I think he meant "goat rapist") "and farang customers are big" I think I can connect the dots. I have the same body type as his boyfriend, smaller than his so he thinks he could handle me if things go rough Still, when S jumped on top of me for the after-massage part, he checked again "Promise you won't try to fuck me" Something must have happened in his "massage career" for him to be that careful. I just rolled my eyes. What could I do? He was even on top of me. Unless he tries to sit on my flag... Anyway, S kept his end of the deal. He did everything else, vigorously. Sucking, kissing (very much into kissing), jerking off (he came all over my body) and more importantly, he did it with feeling. I feel we really connected that night. I also kept my end of the deal of doing nothing around his bottom area although my other end kinda hoped that S would sit on it. It was just an okay massage but with a very happy ending. Later, we showered together and he touched the hickey he left near my collar bone, smiling and saying "Sorry". He could be sweet if he wants to. "Don't worry, I won't show it to your boyfriend." Speaking of whom, I checked with S if I can also do his boyfriend. Actually I enquire if I can engage his boyfriend's professional service as a masseur at an appropriate time in the future. "Yes, but he is not friendly" When an unfriendly person claims that another person is not friendly, that's saying something, isn't it? "Well, I can tell. Before he looked like he wanted to kill me." S laughed and gave me his boyfriend's contact. They share a rented room right there in Jomtien complex so they should be available anytime. Staying true to himself, S was back to being cold and distant the several times I walked by the massage shop in the next few days. I never saw him greet a customer, eyes always glued on his phone, avoiding all eye contact. He never noticed me if I didn't call out his name and when he did, didn't even acknowledge it with a smile. Does he really expect customers to pick him just based on cuteness? Since then I was a bit worried about how things would go with S's even unfriendlier boyfriend. We made arrangements to meet at the hotel lobby a few nights later. Throughout the awkward silence of the ride up in the elevator, I kept thinking "Was it a mistake to do this?" Once in the room, he silently stripped down to his underwear and all my wistful thinking went out of the window. His body looked exactly my type (S was a bit too chubby for my taste but he had a cuter face to make up for it). So I decided I'm gonna just enjoy his massage and his body despite the apparent lack of connection. Then I noticed he fumbled around, trying to open a bottle of oil massage with slightly trembling hands. "Are you nervous?" "Yes, my first time in hotel. We don't go hotel before" Then I remembered seeing his profile pictures wearing all Uniqlo clothes. "Do you like Uniqlo?" His face brightened at the mentioning of his favorite brand. "Yes, very much" "Me too. Big fan. Half of my clothes are Uniqlo" I even got up, opened my suitcase and showed him my collection of Uniqlo apparel. Now he truly smiled. The ice was broken. Boyfriend of S's English wasn't as good as that of S, but he survived simple conversations. Again, we talked about his relationship. They met online in a game, got talking and fell in love after just one month, and been together since. They were both from poor families, so still have to support their parents back home. They shared all the money they made but didn't make quite enough so if S's mom gets the money this month, Boyfriend's mom would receive money the next. Unlike S, Boyfriend kept his underwear on the whole time he was doing my back. When it was time for me to turn around, I felt he was warmed up enough so told him to take off his underwear. To my surprise, something already stood at attention, saluting me. I think I found the friendliest part of his body. Understandably, things just got better, even better than with S, because Boyfriend was more of my type. Like S, he was also very much into kissing. His cock is shorter but much thicker than that of S - this couple really complement each other in many ways (except for the friendliness part). I think I know what you guys are now thinking. S would do a threesome, a four-hand massage with another boy but not with his boyfriend. Boyfriend wouldn't do any kind of threesome. I'm sure I want to do them both, but not at the same time. So we were all good. Although Boyfriend remained very hard throughout, he couldn't cum because he already came earlier during the day with his boyfriend (I was his only customer of the day). After, we also showered together for an amount of time inordinate for a normal rinse-off. We kinda played in the shower. Every time I saw his cock starting to get soft, I gave it a nudge and it was instantly back to a greeting position. And its owner, the unfriendly, cold and distant Boyfriend of S, kept giggling at the exuberance and friendliness of his cock, showing no sign of wanting to get out of the shower. Once we were done and said goodbye, Boyfriend gave me a hug (S gave me a hug and a lingering kiss on the lip so I think he still wins the friendliness competition), I gave his cock a final nudge and voilà - he left the room with a noticeable bulge in his loose pants. A minute later, Boyfriend sent me a smiling blushing emoticon through Line without any words. I checked if he was still hard. "Yes". I asked if he wanted me to come downstairs and make it bigger again. He replied with 5555. So much for being unfriendly huh. (to be continued)

Invariably the boy and the farang will be looking for different things from any relationship. Farangs can easily fall in lust/love with their boy, but it is probably unrealistic to expect that a boy would lust after his farang unless there is only a small age difference? The boy is more likely looking for financial security, maybe status, maybe travel opportunities etc; sex with his farang is just an accepted part of the package? In the end it surely doesn't matter that each look for different things from the relationship; just as long as each gets what they want out of the relationship? Or maybe I am just an old cynic? 🤣

Whatever the personality problem we may have, we are too old to change it. So just live with it. Let it be.

My interpretation and please don't take it the wrong way .. is because you don't "look him" which means I guess talk to him / hire his services Obviously he is not in "love " with you ,he is a business man but he sounds a bit inpatient as you are not showing him interest. I guess this is a type of "psychology" to make you feel guilty? And I guess thinking someone "loves"or cares for you ( I don't mean you personally but that's what my interpretation is that he is trying to project ) sort of a guilt trip . He is using psychological business tactics😂 ( if there is such a thing)

Sorry this won't help your social anxiety. But they probably are judging, it's what gay queens do!

I don’t have social anxiety, I have a hearing problem. If a bar is too loud I have problems. I’m very comfortable talking to anyone if I can hear them. Sometimes I’ll just nod when in conversation because it’s embarrassing constantly asking what?, excuse me, etc. I suppose the good news for me is that hearing aids no longer need a doctors prescription in the USA.

specially sober types, drunks don't have it

For years the Singapore government has been downplaying the effect of Section 377A. The Prime Minster had even stated it would be kept on the statute books but not enacted. If there is ever a reason for not having a particular law, that surely is it! As the eminent French statesman Jean Baptiste Colbert wrote in the 17th century, “If you enact a law and do not enforce it, you are condoning what you condemn.” The basis for keeping it was basically a nonsensical argument that its repeal would be harmful to Singapore's multi racial society. As Hong Kong and Taiwan had shown over the last 30 years a Chinese society as a whole is not against homosexuality - the argument used for many years by Hong Kong's colonial government for not repealing its colonial law until 1990. And with Chinese making up by far the largest ethnic group in Singapore it seeems to have raised little objection over the years. The main fiercely anti-repeal group has been the evangelical Christian churches. It was the same in Taiwan when gay marriage was being discussed. Yet those professing to be Christians make up less than 19% of the population. I am reminded of the great actor Sir Ian McKellen who visited Singapore in 2007 when giving performances of Shakesepeare's King Lear with the Royal Shakespeare Company. Appearing on a 'live' television morning programme, the host asked him if there was anything he would particularly like to see in Singapore. He replied, "Well, if someone could show me the way to a nice gay bar, that would be lovely!" The programme controllers were apparently very worried by this remark, which was stupid given that Singapore already had several gay bars, one which I had often visited named rather appropriately given Sir Ian's remark - Backstage! But the past is the past and Singapore is finally taking some positive steps forward on the LGBT front.

Great story, just shows what a little trust, patience and kindness can achieve

I went to Senso (replied in another thread) but perhaps with more details here since this is about Senso. Booked via Line and selected masseur before heading down. They are quite polite and responsive, even confirming that the rooms are already available for me before I arrived. When I got there, one staff came to chit chat and asked if I've been before, or aware of the available courses. About 5-6 masseurs sitting around, some topless, some clothed. I saw the masseur I pre-selected in the group. Told the staff that I booked via Line, he double checked and then I was ushered up to the room (4th level) with ensuite bathroom. Chose masseur who is lean/toned muscular who is totally my type. He spoke decent English and was able to communicate throughout, making small talks. Showered before (alone) and after (together). Massage itself was good and proper, loosen up some of my knots... but lack sensual touches 😛 after turning around and facing up, he went straight into teasing and getting me excited for the extras, unprompted. Some licking, touching, sucking (quite surprised by this) and offered to get some action from the back. After the happy moments, he was sweet enough to continue with massage on my shoulders, lower back while seated and commented on my body, made some small talks and showered together where we chatted further. If I recall correctly, it was 1500baht + 1500baht tip for 90mins. Not the cheapest, but overall satisfied. Tea and water offered before and after at the main waiting area too. Hope this report helps!

Not for the nightlife and bars? I feel most of us on this forum will disagree with this article about reasons to visit Thailand... 😂🤣 Prominent Thai doctors against extended nightlife closing times, claim tourists don’t come to Thailand to party and nightlife but for beaches and temples... Thailand – Prominent Thai doctors have warned about the proposal of a 4:00 A.M. closing time extension for nightlife venues in tourist zones which will cause more road deaths, crime, and personal accidents as there is more time to drink alcohol, according to them. Doctor Taejing Siripanich, a secretary of the Don’t Drive Drunk Foundation has given his view about the plan, “The 4:00 A.M. extension plan cannot definitely guarantee about boosting the economy. On the other hand, this might have to be an exchange with health and people’s safety.” “I believe that foreign tourists come to Thailand not because of nightclubs, drinking, and partying. Most of them want to come here because of natural and cultural tourism places like beaches, parks, traditional Thai culture, and temples. Full story: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/20/prominent-thai-doctors-against-extended-nightlife-closing-times-claim-tourists-dont-come-to-thailand-to-party-but-for-beaches-and-temples/

If I were past 80 I also probably wouldn't worry too much about what I ate or keeping in shape. Luckily, I'm not there yet. I exercise in order to be fit enough to go sightseeing when I travel. I usually walk around 17 kilometres a day when I'm on holidays. I want to be able to climb up cathedral stairs in Europe, for example. My last overseas trip was to Spain and Portugal. In Portugal you are forever climbing stairs and hills so you need a fair degree of fitness. It is the most exhausting country I've ever visited. I live on the coast so I just cross the road and I'm at the beach where I go swimming in summer. In winter I have a heated pool to swim in. There is also a walking path that goes on for kilometres along the coast, so that is also very convenient. I also have a gym at home but rarely use it as I prefer to exercise outside. But I've kitted it out with lots of equipment because the "friends" who come over to provide me with a special kind of "exercise" like to work out. Just looking at all that equipment wears me out! I have a sweet tooth so I actually need to exercise more then most in order to stay fit. I don't drink much and I only smoke when I'm in Thailand, never at home - or anywhere else for that matter.

Sorry "Thai doctors" but I go to Thailand for cocks. I visit beaches and temples in between the cocks. For me, there are lots of other countries which offer far more interesting places to go sightseeing.

I never looked for a LTR; indeed, I said after nine years and thirty or so trips to Thailand that I loved being a butterfly. The one falang I knew who was in involved such a relationship with a Thai guy was often deeply unhappy, for many reasons. And so when it happened, I was unprepared. And it didn't "happen" in one night, one week, or even one year. The relationship grew over a series of visits to Thailand. I believe that it was after three years that I first used the word "love". It was in a conversation with my oldest friend. The use of the word surprised us both. And so , in my case, the cliché of an old falang falling in lust after a couple of erotic encounters, just doesn't hold water.

This kind of relationship which are not based on true love mostly can't survive too long because there is always the risk that the Thai boy will find wealthier farang ,or the older farang will find more attractive, younger or prettier Thai boy.

As a rare visitor to Pattaya, I have not even been to Jomtien Complex other to have dinner at nearby Dick's Cafe. But I do recall a great many years of visiting the gay gogo and beer bars in Bangkok. Thinking back, rarely did I ever see an individual or a small group of expat friends chat to others outside their circle. We expats were there to see the boys dancing and the shows, not to interact with foreigners we had never seen before. If I wanted to chat with someone, I'd much rather it was with a cute Thai young man! I used to happily walk through Soi Twilight or Silom Soi 4 without a care in the world that people might be watching me, let alone "judging" me. They were there for the same reason I was. Besides I was watching them! Why should I be concerned about them watching me? Why would I want to go to a beer bar and chat with a foreigner? If I were to look at my phone, it would be to check something or respond to a message or email. That's not being anti-social! And I for one do not believe that failure to make contact with another farang in a Thai beer bar has anything to do with being an introvert or an extrovert. Just my view.

Some people seem to think that would work to get people to stop sucking a hundred cocks and eating asses until they're worried sick about throat cancer...... but I doubt it 😉😝

My gawd, earth-shattering news (for me), and on my birthday and last day in Bangkok at that: NDR 2022: Govt will repeal Section 377A, decriminalise sex between men | The Straits Times Words are failing me here .. I'm no longer a criminal in the eyes of my own country.

Just a wild guess, but I think he may have been offended when you asked to go with him for free and he agreed then you declined by saying it was a joke. I doubt he is actually upset, but nuances in English can be easily misinterpreted so 'just joking' could come across as laughing at him or something out of context like that? I have had some conversations do complete 180s with some Thai boys because my Australianism expressions don't translate.

So many crazy boys on hornet that try to manipulate farang customers using this technique. In my experience it's something that the non-Thais tend to do more than the Thais. Just ignore him, especially when he starts threatening self harm as you don't love him etc etc. I had it twice in April

It was several years ago, so my recollection isn't going to be exact. I suspect some of us first came to LoS expecting to find skilled oriental courtesans tending to our every exotic need, only to find that mostly we're dealing with obliging but unskilled farmboys. If so, this might be the other side of the coin 😀. "Very modest shop" - that's the street door in the picture. More "discreet" than "modest", I think. Inside, it's as you might imagine from the pictures on the website. Lots of wood panelling, crisp linen, elegant decorations, very spa-like. How long it lasts? probably 45 minutes for each part. I imagine if you book just the tantric massage it would be an hour or more. Earth-shattering treatment? yes and no, the therapist deliberately doesn't deliver that, which is sort of the point. The aim is for you to lie back, close your eyes, relax in a meditative sort of way, and think of England while he edges you just to this side of the earthquake, and you're supposed to tell him if he's going too far (no need, he was pretty good at judging it.) After that, you get a few minutes to relax before the conventional masseur takes over, and from there on you are in control again and the earth shatters (or not) as you wish. Did I enjoy it? Yes. If you like skilled delayed gratification and the sensation of having somebody else taking care of everything, that's what you'll get. Would I go again? Not often, but I wouldn't say "never": it is expensive, and it is an impersonal sort of experience compared with the usual massage, but I don't regret having tried it. If you don't try it, you'll never know.

@vinapuSmiles at Jupiter and twinks at Tawan. Are these signs of end times??

From The Pattaya News

yes, I think boys at Jupiter are doing their walk every 1/2 hour and then disappear to the sides, sometimes trying to make an eye contact during that interval though. In December one even smiled at me and I thought I have stroke or something. Rewarded him with an off few days later

@Tomm42From personal experience, I also can suggest Moonlight and Jupiter as warmup bars for just the experience of appreciating the eye candy and seeing shows if you need to dip your toe in before going straight to offing someone. I (and probably only me) find that I never feel the need to off someone at those bars. The fact that it's a place for me to just chill and build confidence is enough for me. You're definitely not going to get someone randomly sitting with you at those places. I go to those places just to admire and enjoy the shows, though less now because I'm more comfortable just to go for what I'm looking for, which is at Tawan most of the time. The only thing that I miss is that there seems to be less of a parade at Jupiter where guys are on stage for a long time before the show. Moonlight still does this though. My last trip, I got the impression that there's just a few times where a parade happens at Jupiter, and it's brief.

Based on my experiences with Airbnb in Bangkok, if you book for four weeks or more you get a substantial discount over the daily rate. In Bangkok, only monthly Airbnb stays are technically legal.

I experience this, but it's more because I'm not so much of a people person anymore. I've turned my social anxiety into something that just makes me me and I'm okay with it. Many times, I'm content to just spend time by myself where I don't have to worry about participating in conversations I'm not interested in, but still feel like I have to fake interest out of good etiquette. I'm content to sit at a bar and be on my phone because I can read content that's interesting to me rather than be in a tiresome conversation. I also think a lot of people are on their phone because they're on the apps checking out who's around them. However, I don't mind being social if it's with someone I make a good connection with. For example, I immediately hit it off with @jason1975on my last trip and we spent much longer hanging out than either of us expected. It helped that he had been writing a trip report and I knew he lived close to me, so I knew we would have things in common. Sharing the same orientation doesn't automatically make someone into a good conversation partner, which is what I'm looking for when I'm social. AIl that being said, yes, I do feel uncomfortable walking into a group of unknown people, but I hate groups in general as I prefer one on one. The worst is that I also hate being the only customer in a bar where all eyes are on me. Is it social anxiety? Yes. Do I think it's an illness? For me, no. It's just how I'm built and it's worked for me. In the end, I don't care what some random farang thinks about me because I don't have some deep craving for social engagement. I have enough forced socialization at my job that I appreciate being able to just be me when I travel. If I were an expat, that might be different, but I would rather make expat friends through connections of close friends rather than random people in a bar who only share the same orientation as I do. This is how I've made friends as an expat in multiple other countries, though lately my local friend group has become larger than my expat group.

It seems that ladyboys were all born with the gift of the grab. It's really weird. Is it just part of their "culture"? In my experience, they are truly horrible people! Nothing like the Thai guys I hang out with in the bars,

Is it an illness, or are you just shy?

Airbnb is the obvious choice, however, for a stay of 1-2 months you will end up paying excessive booking fees to Airbnb. Look for alternative booking platforms or look around/inquiring during the first days when you get there.

True 🤣 🤣🤣 They offered me free counselling at the sexual health clinic but I declined ,I'm too old now to change and I told the doctor my motto Grow old disgracefully 👍👍

Depending on what type of fabric, given the humidity in Thailand.

The new roof on Jomtien Complex will ruin any chance of a New Years from the past. The fireworks from the bridges were always great. But I sincerely hope that Jomtien Complex can have a huge Christmas and New Year. The expats/tourists need it, just as much as the bar owners!

spit it out ! now !

I agree with @Olddaddy, As you mentioned your frequent visits at this boy's bar made him considering you as a potential long term relationship based on financial support obviously, some of the Bar boys are tired of seeking customers for every shift work so finding long term falang who can support them financially without the need working every night at the bar seems very appealing,.

I've read many of your comments, and a good number of them demonstrate you are judgmental about others. I'm wondering, are you merely shining a light on many of your own personal problems ... or do you have specialized training?

Stayed at Evergreen Laurel many years ago. I remember it as a comfortable, well-appointed place and, as you said, certainly walking distance from Silom via Soi Convent. Had no problem with visitors. Also easy walking distance to Soi Suan Plu where you'll find some good restaurants and several male massage shops. (Btw, think I paid about double the 1200 rate way back then)

What do people think of evergreen laurel? Seemingly very decent deals from 1200 Bht ongoing now and walking distance to the action.. though not obviously so since it’s more sathorn, especially if one is in BkK for other commitments as well..

Someone on the ground can better update you on the bars that are open in Boyztown, but I think most are, certainly Toy Boys, Pikky Bar and BBB are open as I have friends working in them. Takes about 10 minutes or a little over to walk from BT to Sunee. You need to walk along Second Road, over the traffic lights and keep going until you reach the VC Hotel on the left hand side. The little soi alongside the hotel is Soi VC and if you walk up there a few hundred meters you will eventually find yourself outside Nice Boys on your right hand side. It does get a bit dark up there and first time you might wonder if you have missed it, but keep walking and you will get there. Just past Nice Boys is a right hand turn, also pretty dark, that takes you into Sunee Plaza itself. THere is a short cut from Second Road, but you kinda need to have someone that knows the way walk with you first. Probably, if it is your first time, get a taxi-bike to take you (the one-way systems mean that they have to go via Beach Road so don't be alarmed at their initial direction they take you). Also don't be put off if Nice Boys also seems a little dark. The boss, Beer, usually sits outside in a small light and will greet you and open the door into 'fantasy land' for you. Enjoy!

You should. I would consider Cali as a pleasant alternative to Medellin. Less established for people working remotely and notably less tourists/foreigners in Cali with no Gringo area like El Poblado. Many things are notably cheaper too, including accommodation and local guys (you will hardly never get quoted 200 mil/hour which guys in Medellin easily command). Cali feels more authentic. An example is Siloe (pronounced Silo-ee), the equivalent of Communa 13 in Medellin (which IMO has become a commercial/ tourist trap; I was shocked when I revisited in July and left quite quickly); the local people looked at me with horror when I explained that I had been sightseeing in Siloe, and asked me if I still had my cellphone and money Certainly some eye candy in Siloe (if you are into more rough guys, hustlers/street trade etc )

The host will often give you a discount for booking several weeks to encourage booking longer stays (sometimes discount is offered already from staying 1 week a more). It is not Airbnb offering you a discount on the booking fee.

indeed, for years I travel with carry-on only

I went once because of someone that I met on a chat sight, years ago. I stayed at the Intercontinental and had him for a guide. We went to a few local places, where he was known...dated the bartender before type of stuff, wasn't a hustler....to speak of. I had fun but never had the urge to go back.....Brasil is a sure thing.

no, just old, cynic , no

we do but so far never had any issues, quite opposite , we co-operate nicely to keep guys busy

that would be me, thank you ( I run out of likes for today )

I know a 25 year old ripped Burmese boy who works at a car wash in the day who I think you would like an introduction to. He hangs around 69 Bar in Jomtien Complex, but doesn't officially work there.

Trump reports he'll return to the Presidency during August. Hmmm.......doubt it.