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(part 13) The story of 2 unfriendly boyfriends It was a rainy night in Jomtien Complex. Rain wasn't heavy but non-stop for hours. Most bars in the soi were empty. Many boys didn't bother showing up for work and pickings were slim. Wet and cool weather put me in the mood for a massage, so I put up my umbrella and checked out the nearby places. I saw no one at Soda but there were 2 boys standing in front of No. 1 Massage, both of whom I never saw before. Both are cute in different ways. The shorter one was medium-built with a cute face and poreless complexion. The taller one has a slim, taut body and big eyes. While I was approaching, Taller threw a cold glance in my direction then walked away. Not a friendly way of greeting potential customers. Shorter stayed put but didn't look any friendlier, avoiding eye contact as much as he could. Normally, I would give it a pass and look somewhere else as friendliness rates very high in my book. But the rain didn't give me much choice and boy was my type. So I stopped and said hello. Fortunately, Shorter's English is quite good (would be hard to try Google translation outdoor in that weather) and he himself was talkative. His name is S, 25 years old, from somewhere near Bangkok. Today was his first day working in No. 1 Massage but no customers because of the weather. "How much do you want for a massage with happy ending?" "1200, but no sex" What, do we have other kinds of happy ending that do not involve sex? Turned out by "sex" he meant anal f*cking. He can kiss, suck and chuckwow. That worked for me. So I asked him to go with me to my hotel. "No, I only do it in the shop. I don't go customer's place." It was only around 11pm something but his shop already closed due to lack of business. It looked like we can't do it that night. "How about the other boy? The one who was with you just before now. Does he go to customer's place?" "He's my boyfriend and he's same same. No go outside" Interesting, what he just said reminds me of Boy No 6 and his boyfriend (reported in parts 8 and 10) who have been working in the same go-go bar in Bangkok and who doesn't mind the other going with customers. Anyway, that doesn't solve the problem at hand. "Look, my hotel is right there" I point in the direction of Agate, which is literally 20 meters from where we was standing. "You have nothing to be afraid of." S looked unsure. I think he really could use a customer that rainy night but the idea of venturing outside the safety of his shop somehow scared him. So we stood there for ten more minutes in the rain while S debated the pros and cons. He talked to another co-worker in Thai, then made a call to (later he told me) his boyfriend. Finally, he said "Ok, I can go. But promise me you don't try to fuck me in the room." Do I look like that desperate rapist, who wouldn't even spare a goat??? Inside my room, things got much better as I usually have a way of putting people at ease and and making them open up. S started working on my legs and back, while telling me about his relationship. His boyfriend is 3 years younger than him at 22, and they've been together for nearly 5 years. Impressive. It looks like their relationship is going strong (No 26 and his boyfriend been together for only about 6 months). That long time also means it's easier for them to handle a sexually open relationship. S has been doing massage job for almost 2 years. He and his boyfriend made a deal: they can do almost everything with customers but no fucking either way. S is bottom and his boyfriend (who started the relationship with S when he was barely 18) is the only one who can f*ck him. That's why he didn't do out-call lest a customer force him to do something he's not willing to. "Then why you go with me?" "Because you don't look like a bad person" (by "bad" I think he meant "goat rapist") "and farang customers are big" I think I can connect the dots. I have the same body type as his boyfriend, smaller than his so he thinks he could handle me if things go rough Still, when S jumped on top of me for the after-massage part, he checked again "Promise you won't try to fuck me" Something must have happened in his "massage career" for him to be that careful. I just rolled my eyes. What could I do? He was even on top of me. Unless he tries to sit on my flag... Anyway, S kept his end of the deal. He did everything else, vigorously. Sucking, kissing (very much into kissing), jerking off (he came all over my body) and more importantly, he did it with feeling. I feel we really connected that night. I also kept my end of the deal of doing nothing around his bottom area although my other end kinda hoped that S would sit on it. It was just an okay massage but with a very happy ending. Later, we showered together and he touched the hickey he left near my collar bone, smiling and saying "Sorry". He could be sweet if he wants to. "Don't worry, I won't show it to your boyfriend." Speaking of whom, I checked with S if I can also do his boyfriend. Actually I enquire if I can engage his boyfriend's professional service as a masseur at an appropriate time in the future. "Yes, but he is not friendly" When an unfriendly person claims that another person is not friendly, that's saying something, isn't it? "Well, I can tell. Before he looked like he wanted to kill me." S laughed and gave me his boyfriend's contact. They share a rented room right there in Jomtien complex so they should be available anytime. Staying true to himself, S was back to being cold and distant the several times I walked by the massage shop in the next few days. I never saw him greet a customer, eyes always glued on his phone, avoiding all eye contact. He never noticed me if I didn't call out his name and when he did, didn't even acknowledge it with a smile. Does he really expect customers to pick him just based on cuteness? Since then I was a bit worried about how things would go with S's even unfriendlier boyfriend. We made arrangements to meet at the hotel lobby a few nights later. Throughout the awkward silence of the ride up in the elevator, I kept thinking "Was it a mistake to do this?" Once in the room, he silently stripped down to his underwear and all my wistful thinking went out of the window. His body looked exactly my type (S was a bit too chubby for my taste but he had a cuter face to make up for it). So I decided I'm gonna just enjoy his massage and his body despite the apparent lack of connection. Then I noticed he fumbled around, trying to open a bottle of oil massage with slightly trembling hands. "Are you nervous?" "Yes, my first time in hotel. We don't go hotel before" Then I remembered seeing his profile pictures wearing all Uniqlo clothes. "Do you like Uniqlo?" His face brightened at the mentioning of his favorite brand. "Yes, very much" "Me too. Big fan. Half of my clothes are Uniqlo" I even got up, opened my suitcase and showed him my collection of Uniqlo apparel. Now he truly smiled. The ice was broken. Boyfriend of S's English wasn't as good as that of S, but he survived simple conversations. Again, we talked about his relationship. They met online in a game, got talking and fell in love after just one month, and been together since. They were both from poor families, so still have to support their parents back home. They shared all the money they made but didn't make quite enough so if S's mom gets the money this month, Boyfriend's mom would receive money the next. Unlike S, Boyfriend kept his underwear on the whole time he was doing my back. When it was time for me to turn around, I felt he was warmed up enough so told him to take off his underwear. To my surprise, something already stood at attention, saluting me. I think I found the friendliest part of his body. Understandably, things just got better, even better than with S, because Boyfriend was more of my type. Like S, he was also very much into kissing. His cock is shorter but much thicker than that of S - this couple really complement each other in many ways (except for the friendliness part). I think I know what you guys are now thinking. S would do a threesome, a four-hand massage with another boy but not with his boyfriend. Boyfriend wouldn't do any kind of threesome. I'm sure I want to do them both, but not at the same time. So we were all good. Although Boyfriend remained very hard throughout, he couldn't cum because he already came earlier during the day with his boyfriend (I was his only customer of the day). After, we also showered together for an amount of time inordinate for a normal rinse-off. We kinda played in the shower. Every time I saw his cock starting to get soft, I gave it a nudge and it was instantly back to a greeting position. And its owner, the unfriendly, cold and distant Boyfriend of S, kept giggling at the exuberance and friendliness of his cock, showing no sign of wanting to get out of the shower. Once we were done and said goodbye, Boyfriend gave me a hug (S gave me a hug and a lingering kiss on the lip so I think he still wins the friendliness competition), I gave his cock a final nudge and voilà - he left the room with a noticeable bulge in his loose pants. A minute later, Boyfriend sent me a smiling blushing emoticon through Line without any words. I checked if he was still hard. "Yes". I asked if he wanted me to come downstairs and make it bigger again. He replied with 5555. So much for being unfriendly huh. (to be continued)

My gawd, earth-shattering news (for me), and on my birthday and last day in Bangkok at that: NDR 2022: Govt will repeal Section 377A, decriminalise sex between men | The Straits Times Words are failing me here .. I'm no longer a criminal in the eyes of my own country.

I guess the best answer I can give is - been there, done that! I was a regular in The Philippines way back in the early 1980s when it was then far more of a gay sex destination than Bangkok and Pattaya. But the desperate poverty both in Manila and the countryside was a real downer. For a newcomer to Asia, it was certainly lively and fun, although parts like the famous Pagsanjan Falls area had a bad reputation with some parents even offering their underage kids to a certain nasty type of western tourist. I believe that has thankfully stopped. Soon, though, I discovered Bangkok and the early years of the gogo bars which were such fun. Later I was to discover the gay scenes in Tokyo and then Taipei. Nothing will now stop my regular visits to those two fascinating cities, both with a thriving gay scene offering much that can be found in Thailand. Also many young guys are keen to meet up with older westerners and will never accept a ¥ or an NT$. Plus I find most Japanese and Taiwan Chinese more fun and interesting to be with than Filippinos. But that's merely a personal preference. Thankfully we are all different.

My first time bar visit was old Tawan. Nothing beats the fear and nervous feeling than the desire to fulfill my fantasy of seeing muscular guys who are willing to be with me. Yet, it took me a while before i summon the courage to enter the bar, with me going back and forth of that soi, and walking on the opposite side of the soi from the bar entrance, not even looking at the bar lol so, my advice is, based on all that youve read here, choose the bar that fits your taste the most, regardless of the bar's reputation for first timers. If your first visit isnt satisfactory, u can go to the next bar that fits your taste, and dont forget to revisit that first bar on a diff day, as your experience might change. I only summon the courage to off a boy from a bar on my second or third visit. And i did had the boy for overnight, as itll gives me time to calm my nerves and just enjoy the company without feeling rushed. I recalled not really asking him many questions in the bar as im really shy, so the only questions i asked were did he do long time and how much. The rest, ill find out in the room. Having said this, some bars do have pesky mamasan that might scare first timer. On this, you will have to stood your ground and just shoo them away. Ignoring will do too but usually will take time before they gay up so being upfront works best to avoid them ruining your experience. I usually will say im just here to see the show, but other members would use things like i like girls, or i like older guys etc lol. Either way, dont let them ruin your night. Just a short guide but dont hold on this as things might have change as last i went were pre-covid, tawan and jupiter mamasan/papasan/waiter are the least to disturb you. Moonlight mamasan are friendly and will check with you from time to time but i dont feel annoyed. Those are 3 bars that i always go to as they have the type of guys i like. Like i said before, boys move bars often, so does mamasan so best to just be there yourself. On the massage part, im a prime fan as well. Chances of getting extra is minute but it does happens occasionally. Ive reported before in one of my trip, out of 4 session i had, i was offered in 1 by the cutest but that session massage wasnt as good lol. U cant have it all i guess. Pre-covid, during low season, u can ask to choose masseur from the ipad, but not sure if thats still allowed. Though when i can choose, they will only show 4-5 masseurs, since i usually just walk in, thus those are masseurs who is available and in the next queue for customers. Im also arena fan. Though im not a fan of their mamasan, he just rubs me the wrong way. But pre-covid, i have fews masseurs there thats i like. I love massages but when in bkk, prices for massage arent really cheap when compared back home, so my priority is getting overnight or long time. For outcall, yes, even pre-covid, u can have that arranged with some boys or massage center, but i believe post covid, this option is readily available at more places than before. U can simply ask the center either through line or at counter. Lastly, sauna. Im not a sauna goer myself, but if u are ready to explore, this is something you would probably want to visit at least once so u can see if its really your thing or not. Ive been to sauna of few occassions and while i dont think its my place, im glad i did went there, or ill be forever wondering what its like. Despite saying sauna is not my thing, i thoroughly enjoyed sauna in japan though. So, if u want to explore, please go at least once. In silom, sauna mania is the closest and they do have O party on weekends, and it was definitely crazy pre-covid. Go and explore and dont sweat on the details.

we all know "can't wait " feeling as for 'liturgical questions' it depends of what is important to you, specially fundamental one like who will bottom should be settled before offing rites. My set is: 'do you go with me?" ( I think it's polite not to assume anything so I always ask that even boys I offed many times before, once I heard " I must think about it " but I enrolled mamasan to help and all went well ) "long time" ( as macaroni said , not all are keen but I'm so I make sure, again I ask it even boys with multiple offs before ) ''do you kiss " (not condition to off but I like to know, I don't want to force myself on him ) 'how much do you want " ( I like to have financials fixed , again even with guys I offed on previous trips . If answer is " up to you " I place an offer. I don't haggle though, I may counteroffer once but after that it's either his quote or mine , I'm not shy to say "too much " though ) that's all in the bar on the street I ask two more ' do you want to eat something" ( long timers only, I like my guys to be fed so they don't run early in the morning feeling hungry) 'are we walking" ( if hotel is walking distance ) and one more in the room : ' we shower together? " ( some guys are surprisingly shy in the room, other may simply want to use toilet beforehand so I don't force issue ) all other question I may have I don't consider liturgical, when passing by 7/11 I usually ask if they want something from there, in the room I ask if they want drink something

I’ve been a lurker on this site after discovering it at the start of the year, and have just today become a new member. This forum has been such a treasure trove of information amid really positive vibes amongst the posting members. A trip to BkK is planned shortly after over 5 years. I am recalling how in one of the 8-ish trips I’ve made to BkK ( invariably for work, with friends or family), I had mustered up the courage to go - for the first time ever - for a massage at a gay outfit in BkK. This would have been probably 10+years ago - and how my heart was thumping stepping into the shop, and having a bunch of guys semi-circling round for the choice to be made. It was in a Korean dominated complex of sorts, along sukhumvit I believe, and what a revelation that first session had been with the typical Thai enthusiasm (despite it being nothing more than just a sensuous massage with a hj and some feet fun, and nothing else). And how I got bolder in then trying out another.. Arena .. and then Senso - but again, it was purely a massage and some hj activity. Closeted here with closeted interests, and I had never been to any of the bars (didn’t have the gall to go on own!) that this forum has so much information about, nor thr saunas etc that BKK has to offer. Now after the big 50 has hit, I am much more keen to ‘live and scratch the itch’, and ‘try new things’. Carpe diem at last after all this while.. lol. Never off’d any guy, but I’m really wanting to check out one of the gay bars/ shows out with the parading boys to be off’d. I’ve read the wealth of info and the ones available, dreamboys, Tawan, etc, but could I ask for suggestions which one might be recommended as the more appropriate (eg least intimidating!) for a first timer, sole, oriental, mature visitor to go for to ease oneself into this scene … Or is there not too much to choose between the offerings? massive fan of massages here, and I’m really looking forward to trying out Prime Massage that so many in here have extolled thr virtues of.. and also maybe that Bangkok Spa Massage place in the same building as Arena in Silom that requires membership but seems to provide an intriguing tantric edging massage I’d be keen to try! If anyone has any suggestions for Thai outcall-to-hotel massuer contacts who can do nice long 2+ hours of Swedish or deep tissue massage (just handwork required, and edging an added bonus), please do let me know as there seems to be a dearth of those. I guess it wouldn’t be possible or entertained to try suggesting to individual masssurs at outfits like Prime or H3althland if they would moonlight for outcalls to hotels? thanks again for all the newsy information on this forum!

From Pattaya Mail Under pressure from the Indian embassy, Pattaya Tourist Police finally made an arrest in one of nearly a dozen gold robberies reported since April. Identified only as “Frame”, the transgender woman surrendered to Tourist Police Division officers in Bangkok and was transferred to Pattaya police station to face charges Aug. 19. It’s unknown which of many crimes against Indian tourists “Frame” is accused of committing, but Pol. Col. Somchai Teerapattarapaisan, the local Tourist Police chief, said the suspect agreed to rat out her fellow ladyboy gang members who continue to swarm the beachfront, accost tourists flashing gaudy gold necklaces and steal the jewelry while they’re forcibly distracted. Pol. Lt. Gen. Sukon Phommayon admitted that the arrest – the first since April – came after serious pressure from the Indian embassy to do something about the crime wave. Police ask that if anyone sees a crime being committed and needs assistance they can call 1155 and contact authorities through the “Police I lert u” application.

no, just old, cynic , no

in small quantities is dangerous indeed but heavy drinking helps to keep one slim as it suppresses an appetite and drains money available for food

Not unless they are competing with you for your favourite muscle boy in bar!

everybody and his money is welcomed I'd say

Day two of the return to Bangkok saw a couple of reunions. Having done the rounds of Fresh Boys, Dream Boy and Tawan on the first night, I hit up Jupiter this evening. Surprisingly, all was as I remembered it: lots of women in the audience (couple of hen parties), and very attractive boys, mostly straight. Even the show was still good. Seems like ol' Jup managed to maintain standards, unlike DB and Tawan. One of the papa's remembered me from days of pre-pandemic yore, and that was nice. I wanted to get one of the boys to sit with me - one of the few gay ones, I was told - but, lo and behold, almost EVERY guy had been booked out. I couldn't quite believe it ... Guess Jup really is popular with a mass demographic. I took my sad, lonely ass off to Moonlight. On the way out of Silom 4, I peeked into Banana bar. There were quite a few boys on stage, but a quick scan down the lines suggested that quality control meant something else here; most of the boys looked like they er, could stand to hit the gym and/or lose a couple of pounds. I took off in double-quick time. By the time I got to ML, it was past midnight. The show was over, and the models were gone. Bumped into one of the managers who also remembered me, and it was a round of drinks. I was resigned to making do for the evening, but the silver lining in the cloud was meeting a young lovely from Phnom Penh who was only five days into the job. Fair of complexion, slender of body, and gay as a goose - so the chemistry was f**king great. I off-ed him for supper at the all-night Jap place across the street on Surawong, he more than willingly had his hand between my legs the entire cab ride back to Sukhumvit, and we ended with a great hour or so back at the hotel room. Moral of the story: some bars still have it, and some bars don't. Such is life and competition in Patpong.

Here are my observations based on 2 visits last month (Friday and a Saturday a few weeks later). Both nights were busy. Full house/all tables busy from around 11 PM (Saturday a bit later). Entry is 15 mil until 11PM; 20 mil after 11 PM. Drinks/beverages are reasonably priced, e.g. a Club Colombia beer is 10 mil. The price for a "private show" behind the curtain is advertised at 60 mil but no first hand experience on what is actually included. The dancers/strippers vary on each night but many seem to come on a regular basis/each night. The guys will approach you for a hand shake/to say hi and small talk; in general they try to interact with the guests and are friendly and encourage touching/light groping, which should be appreaciated with small tips (2 or 5 mil note). Very few speak English so try to get by in Spanish. The guys vary in appearance from very masculine muscle guys to younger lean/fit boys with more boyish bodies (so there should be someone for every taste). In general, I find the strippers hot/looking great and sexy in their small speedos/briefs (although certainly not all of them are of my taste). The guys advertised on the webpage have not been updated, so don't expect to find the guys you have seen online to actually be there on a given night As stated above there will be a fuck show on Fridays around/after midnight (but it was nothing spectacular IMO; I enjoyed the guys dancing on the stage more); I didn't see any fuck show on Saturday (but I might have left too early). As suggested above many of the guys will open to share their Whatsapp details, so just ask if you fancy a guy and would like to connect. From personal experience, the guys I interacted with in Whatsapp subsequently were prepared to meet for private sessions at your hotel/apartment or their room (at a price of course; to be negotiated so don't accept their initial 200-300 mil offer!) In general, I enjoyed my time there (as I did in the past) and would love to go back. The ambience is very nice and the staff/guys are friendly. If you dislike loud music bring earplugs. The area (a little North of the main parts of Gaychapi) is in general safe and walkable at night, but make sure you don't cross the nearby main through road (Ave Caracas, with Transmilenio bus lanes) by accident at night.

I think the hotel has self service laundry machines, just not in the room. And I think I read something about long term rates, so it might be worth contacting the hotel and ask for more information.

I think Pattaya should become more family-friendly!

There's rarely a dull day in Pattaya. Now that they have this case behind them, it seems cops have bigger fish to fry. The Pattaya News reports that a Thai-American tourist was rushed to a local hospital after reportedly being bitten on his ear by a Thai intoxicated woman at the intersection of the Second Road, South Pattaya, in Banglamung district on Saturday evening. Pattaya City police arrived at the scene after receiving a report of a Thai woman who reportedly jumped on a Songthaew and attacked a male tourist by punching his mouth, giving him a headlock, and biting off a portion of his ear before swallowing it. At the scene, an alleged female attacker, who was later identified as Kannika Khamthon, was found in a heavy state of intoxication. The 55-year-old injured man, Charoen Sae-Lim, was also found nearby with clear signs of a bite on his right ear. Pattaya News photo The tourist was immediately rushed to the nearest hospital while the 28-year-old suspect was taken to the police station. However, the suspect was uncooperative as she resisted the arrest and aggressively fought the police while the officials were attempting to cuff her on the back of a police truck. =========== And then there's the case of the Swedish expat who stabbed his Thai boyfriend and fractured his companion's skull after finding them in a Pattaya condo. Cops say the suspect remains on the run. Pattaya News video article: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/17/pattaya-police-still-looking-for-swedish-man-who-stabbed-his-boyfriend-injured-second-thai-man/

Invariably the boy and the farang will be looking for different things from any relationship. Farangs can easily fall in lust/love with their boy, but it is probably unrealistic to expect that a boy would lust after his farang unless there is only a small age difference? The boy is more likely looking for financial security, maybe status, maybe travel opportunities etc; sex with his farang is just an accepted part of the package? In the end it surely doesn't matter that each look for different things from the relationship; just as long as each gets what they want out of the relationship? Or maybe I am just an old cynic? 🤣

Great story, just shows what a little trust, patience and kindness can achieve

Wow, thanks so much reader, vinapu, spoon and macaroni21 - I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your input! It’s somewhat reassuring to hear spoon’s account, and the ‘walking on the other side of the road’ back and forth past the bar, internally struggling al, the way, is an experience I’m familiar with.. Maybe this time, it will be a different outcome for me! I appreciate your frank sharing and I’m dead keen to have a massage every day at Prime if organisable - like what I pretty much I used to do at Healthland every evening, at the Sathorn branch, for many of my previous BKK trips. I’ve never ever asked if a therapist from Healthland will do hotel outcall before, vinapu, but I think I will attempt this at Prime when I’m next there! Reader and vinapu - I’ve just scoured and search, and the bangkok spa outfit I meant is spabangkok - https://spabangkok.net/silom/ . But gosh, baht3200 that they have advertised there for their tantric massage - and likely tips on top of that - is very steep! I’m mulling… and wonder if any in the forum have tried that! vinapu, it looks like Tawan should be my maiden port of call for the bar scene, I read - in one of the posts here - of a forward Tawan chap massaging one’s bulge until close to one being made to lose control - whilst tactically negotiating an off fee, in that state of serious compromise, and I think such an experience would rather agree with me. Pleasure control.. lol.. and older guys would appeal more to me. I think the seemingly forward nature of the men at Tawan would facilitate engagement, with these first time attack of trepidation and nerves. Macaroni, or shamelessmack, I’m privileged to be in your company here. Your site was the first serious site I pored over for BkK massages way back, and you’re absolutely right! It was B&N - and it was your site recommendation that prompted me to go there - first ‘such’ massage I got in BKK ever. Man, that was well over a decade ago! Incredible! 🙏🙏

Ya, I too figured that Tomm42 was referring to the massage parlour in Sukhumvit Plaza, except that I couldn't recall the name of the place. Thanks, Vinapu, for filling the gap. I loved that place, though the physical line-up could be quite intimidating with up to a dozen guys looking expectantly at you to be picked. With the clue from the name "Uniman", I revived my old reports from 2009 and 2010. Reviewing the reports, the place changed hands between those two years and was called B&N before it was Uniman. As you can see, I had really happy times there. Go to www.shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog

I'm sorry to read about your health concerns. 😞 But... by now we really already know you sucked a lot of dicks on your trip. 🍆 You've written it already a few times here on the forum. How many times are you going to post it? Waiting for someone to give you an award for sucking so many dicks and rimming so many asses? 🍑 Hahaha. 🤣 Personally I'm more a quality than a quantity guy. But everybody is different.

Or the breakfast buffet 55

in case readers are not aware of or you too shy to boost yourself macaroni 21 has great blog ShamelessMack2 – Gay escapes Thailand and around (travel.blog) I noticed new entry made today

In gogo bars most will not bottom, in massage parlours, about half will not. So, to avoid disappointment or unpleasantness later, it's important to settle this question beforehand. Do note that nearly all boys, even when they agree to bottom, will insist on protected sex. From gogo bars, all will do short time, but some cannot do overnight (commitments early morning, for example) so if you're keen on long-time (overnight), ask first. As for fees, some of us settle that in advance too, but some other members leave that unsaid. As a newbie, it may be better to settle that question in advance too at least until you're surer about the going rates.

I went to Senso (replied in another thread) but perhaps with more details here since this is about Senso. Booked via Line and selected masseur before heading down. They are quite polite and responsive, even confirming that the rooms are already available for me before I arrived. When I got there, one staff came to chit chat and asked if I've been before, or aware of the available courses. About 5-6 masseurs sitting around, some topless, some clothed. I saw the masseur I pre-selected in the group. Told the staff that I booked via Line, he double checked and then I was ushered up to the room (4th level) with ensuite bathroom. Chose masseur who is lean/toned muscular who is totally my type. He spoke decent English and was able to communicate throughout, making small talks. Showered before (alone) and after (together). Massage itself was good and proper, loosen up some of my knots... but lack sensual touches 😛 after turning around and facing up, he went straight into teasing and getting me excited for the extras, unprompted. Some licking, touching, sucking (quite surprised by this) and offered to get some action from the back. After the happy moments, he was sweet enough to continue with massage on my shoulders, lower back while seated and commented on my body, made some small talks and showered together where we chatted further. If I recall correctly, it was 1500baht + 1500baht tip for 90mins. Not the cheapest, but overall satisfied. Tea and water offered before and after at the main waiting area too. Hope this report helps!

(part 12, truly in a tidbit fashion) After making my usual rounds this week at Dream Boy, Fresh Boys and New Twilight (in that order) and offed three boys of different nationalities (Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar, respectively), one from each bar, here are some updates. 1. Drink price and boy's cut: Dream Boy is the most expensive at 450B for both customer and boy drink, Fresh Boy: 400B, and New Twilight: 350B. Boys all got 100B from their own drinks. The bar fines (or off fees) are all the same: 500B (but different from Pattaya bars, as reported in earlier parts, boys in Bangkok bars receive nothing from the bar fine). 2. Boy's basic salary: all three bars provide some incentive for boys, who show up at work on time (8pm) and who do not have an off that night (boy drinks don't count). This amount varies from bar to bar though. Dream Boy stingiest with 100B/night, Fresh Boy better with 150, New Twilight most generous with 200 (on par with Banana Room reported in part 8). Fresh Boy also had this weird rule: if the previous night you don't have a customer, the next day nobody cares if you show up for work or not. But if you had a customer the night before and you don't show up the next day, bar assumes that you are still with that customer and you have to pay a bar fine of 500B. Since the boy I offed from Fresh Boy is Viet and we talked in Vietnamese, I think I got this correctly. 3. Number of boys: Since Dream Boy currently boasts the largest cast (more than 40), Fresh Boy middle of the pack (around 25) and New Twilight (less than a dozen, 7 floor boys and 4 show boys the night I visited) comes last, the above-mentioned incentive appears to play a lesser part in boys' decision of where to work. I think number of potential customers is far more important. Fresh Boy and Dream Boy both played to a packed house the nights I visited (drizzling midweek nights) and many boys got off. Things did not bode well at all for New Twilight: Saturday night, perfect weather (pretty cool but no rain) and only 6 customers (4 alone and 2 together) at the time the show started (10p30). A few more arrived during a show. There was a large gaggle of young male farangs coming in, who could easily double or triple the "crowd" size in the house if they decided to stay, but they didn't. I think when they saw there were only a few boys on stage, fully-clothed, they backed out immediately. 4. Speaking of New Twilight's attire problems, I made it a point to complain loudly to 2 different mamasans about what the boys were wearing on stage (this is a GO-GO bar with GO-GO prices, why LONG jeans and black t-shirts with LONG sleeves, revealing almost nothing; the boys all looked like valet parking attendants in some casino hotel in Cambodia). Both mamasans assured me boys would wear less later (after the second show, around midnight), but I didn't see that happened. When I finally picked a boy, before making my decision (actually I already made my decision when he showed me shirtless pictures on his phone), just for added effect, I asked him to get back on stage at least shirtless. He took off his shirts and stood at the end of the rotation. Then it looked like he explained the situation to other boys and moved up front so I can admire his toned body. I nodded my approval "that's how it's done", told the mamasan (who recognized me from the early X-boy and Lucky Boys days and still remembered I'm Vietnamese) to go get the tab. Funny enough, when my boy got back to me, another on stage also took off his shirt (probably in hope of getting more attention?) I also saw that most boys who were asked to come and sit with a customer are show boys, who wore underwear most of the time, and one got an off and left with a customer after the final show, around the same time I left with mine, a bit after midnight. Another problem (New Twilight's freezing aircons which other members complained about) was also addressed several times that night. When I put on my light jacket, a mamasan asked if they should adjust the temperature (good customer care). Then another customer on my left asked them to change it again because it was still freaking cold. Then just before their second show, one of the dancers in a skimpy outfit asked for the third time. It was then warm enough I had to take off my jacket to reveal my toned body. Sorry I digress... 5. The "You can f*ck me but keep it an open secret" trend: as discussed in part 10, I noticed this phenomenon years ago in Vietnamese MBs in Vietnam, but this time, I start noticing it too in Bangkok bars. When I visited Hotmale earlier this week, the only one I would consider offing is No 34. Checked with a mamasan, who said he's Thai and straight. "Can I f*ck him?" "No, he's men." A few minutes later, another mamasan, who somehow got wind of my enquiry, approached me and said "You can f*ck him but you have to pay more. But keep it a secret because he's shy and doesn't want others to know". I refrained from asking the obvious question "then how come do you know?", "how much more?" Mamasan didn't know (maybe it was an even bigger secret) and ran off to asked, then came back with "He wanted 5000" (same level as Moonlight models?). I don't think so, so I didn't off anyone from Hotmale that night. Then in New Twilight, the boy I picked was also straight. Both he and mamasan said he's willing to bottom (not asking for more money though) but again, it's a secret (I tell only you) nobody knows (except those who know). 6. This time, I continued to off mostly new faces, as is my wont. I was second customer of the boy in Dream Boy, who was a 26-year-old hair stylist back in Cambodia and who needed money to pay off his big loan. I was (again) the first customer ever of that boy who got on stage shirtless in New Twilight. He was from Myanmar and just started 2 weeks ago, got two boy drinks but no off yet. It seems he's indeed new and tended to do exactly what I told him. Back in the hotel, I gave him a toothbrush. He went off brushing his teeth, then came back, still wearing his jeans. "You didn't take a shower?" I asked him. "I have to take a shower?" Off he went back to the bathroom. Later, it turned out, not just was this the first time he slept with a man, it was the first time he slept with anyone (He hasn't even slept with a girl yet, never had a girlfriend, and he's 21 years old already. Must have come from a far-flung backwater area.) Didn't even know how to kiss with tongue. "Are you nervous?" I asked him. "No, I'm not nervous.... I'm afraid. This is my first." Speaking of "first time", I was also the first time ever of Little Lao in part 11. Born to a farmer's family, grew up in a rural area and only did farming work, he never had a chance to have sex with men, let alone have a boy friend. "I went to Thailand to earn money but also to have opportunities to have sex with men," so he told me after that farce of threesome also reported in part 11. "I slept with 4 or 5 men so far" He added (proudly? but appears to lose count already though) Anyway, what happened with the Viet boy I offed from Fresh Boy was more hilarious. He was far more popular than the other two and also the youngest at 18 years old. He started in Fresh Boy 5 days ago and I was already his fourth customer. That means he got customers, both farang and Asian, almost every day. Can't speak English and Thai (not yet), very sweet and nice to talk to in his mother tongue, I think he would follow the same route as other cute Viet boys I met in Fresh Boy. Popular at fist as a cute new face, but no repeats. His idea of servicing a customer is still pretty much jerking himself off to a porn video while the customer watches. Just out of curiosity, I also asked him how much it would take to f*ck him. He said, he would consider bottoming, and since this is his first time, to "take his flower" or to "pop his cherry" (or whatever expressions you think would fit), a customer needs to pay 50.000 bath. To be fair, in Vietnam, virginity traditionally matters a lot and wealthy businessmen have been known to pay many times of that amount to deflower a girl, believing doing so would bring them good luck. Anyway, the boy in question, in stark contrast with the Myanmar boy, slept with girls before he reached 18 (the consent age in Vietnam is 16) and already got a new Viet girlfriend who's only 17 right here in Bangkok, barely five days after he arrived, so I think the matter of virginity is not really relevant here. 7. Finally, some funny tidbits. I agreed with some other members' observations: New Twilight white-wearing waiters are generally cuter and also more gay than their floor boys. Because @jason1975 got a regular working as waiter in the bar and he made it clear that his friends stay away from his man, I have to be sure. When I came in, my first question to a cute waiter who greeted me was "Who's Jason's man?" (so that I can stay away from him) "Everyone else, but me" came back the answer. Sorry this is totally made-up. I just wanted to pull Jason's proverbial leg. The fucking show in Fresh Boy that night had to stop midway, I guess because the top can't keep it hard. So they went backstage and the audience was asked to watch a cabaret performance while the boys got themselves ready again (I don't know how). The Viet boy sitting with me gave his kudos to the top - who he saw, during his five days working in Fresh Boy, perform every night, three different shows each day, all requiring a sustained hard-on (first a jerk-off solo on a couch, then the big cock show, finally the fucking show). Should I start a blue pill donation campaign to help him out? I'm sure many members here have one or two to spare. (to be continued)

Any of you guys have any plans to visit the Philippines soon ? I ask because many of you on here have never been there and I guess are comfortable with just going back to Thailand and maybe side trips to Cambodia. Can I ask what is stopping you? The rumours about crime?The gay bars spread out too much? whats stopping you from making a side trip there maybe for a few days? it's 3.5 hours flight from Bangkok only in many cases it's a lot cheaper than Thailand and in some cases I found Filipinos wanted sex without money with foreign guys

From Bloomberg Supporters attend the annual "Pink Dot" event in a public show of support for the LGBT community at Hong Lim Park in Singapore on June 18, 2022. (AFP file photo) Public discussion on a colonial-era law that criminalises sex between men is gaining momentum in Singapore, where a senior minister said any easing would ensure the current definition of marriage is protected. While the government is reviewing the regulation, “at the same time we are considering how can we safeguard the current legal position on marriage from being challenged in the courts,” Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam said in a Facebook video clip posted on the weekend. “We are now considering how best to achieve this balance.” Singapore has grappled with how to make its society more inclusive of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community even as some countries around the world move toward recognising same-sex marriages. Several attempts to overturn the legal ban on sex between men, known as Section 377A of the Penal Code, have failed in courts over the years. Thailand, regarded as conservative and deeply religious, became the first country in Southeast Asia to move toward legalising same-sex unions this year. The colonial-era law reflected Singapore’s conservative stance toward the LGBTQ community, and any discussion of changing it in the past has drawn resistance from religious groups. Recent comments from the Catholic Church and an LGBTQ group signal a potential compromise that would address the biggest concerns of both sides -- decriminalising sex between men while stopping short of recognising same-sex marriages. A 2014 court challenge against 377A failed when Singapore’s Supreme Court ruled it was a constitutional matter. In February, the Court of Appeal upheld a lower court’s decision to dismiss three challenges to Section 377A, Channel NewsAsia reported. The law has not been actively enforced for over a decade. Dealing with 377A, while also maintaining the current legal definition that marriage is between a man and a woman, should be discussed and decided in Parliament and not in the courts, said Shanmugam. The local LGBTQ community has no immediate plans to mount legal challenges to redefine marriage’s definition, Leow Yangfa, the executive director of rights group Oogachaga, was cited in Today newspaper as saying. Taiwan is the only Asian jurisdiction that legally recognizes same-sex marriage. Vietnam allows same-sex couples to have symbolic weddings but doesn’t recognize the marriage. Hong Kong doesn’t allow it, but does permit gay expatriate workers to bring their spouses in on dependent visas. Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei have rules that outlaw sexual relations between people of the same gender.

Finally! https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62545577

Back to the original question: this applies in fact for many a Thai too. It is mostly only the family that will forever support them. It is written in some scientific-sociological thesis and also hinted at in many manuals for ´howtolive in TH´ and even, as I remember in that old bible for us, TMOT: The Men Of TH. Which dear khun gaybutton also underlines. It seems ANY relation for a Thai can never be equal, but there is always a higher and lower one. But these nasty farang do not know that and do all kind of things that not belong to their higher status. In my own-limited- experience, the best such relations on a more equal base were with - Thai muslim guys, thus without the Buddhist way of thinking-though what is Thai and what is Buddhist is extremely hard to tell. But that often gets marred as they all were very much in the hiding toward their family. And that sample was not big, so it may have been pure chance. It is not tipical ASEAN at all-I favour the Indonesians (not specific the Balinese) for that the most.

Located the link to the Spa Bangkok shop in Silom Plaza and explored the site. Felt a bit intimidated by the description, not to mention prices.. https://spabangkok.net/ If you're on a more restrictive budget, or just less adventuresome by nature, you should be able to get a 90-minute oil massage at Arena or Best shops (both in same building) for 800 bht or less.

spit it out ! now !

I think Macaroni21 is correct. Regardless of how long they stay, each person arrives exactly once. Number of arriving people per day, divided by number of people on a flight, gives number of arriving flights. 30,000 divided by 200 is 150.

Yes, once, because if you don't try you'll never know. I went for the package with tantric followed by a regular (HE) "aroma" massage. The etiquette is interesting: You choose the regular masseur from a lineup and are expected to tip him, but you don't get to choose the tantric therapist (I think that's the most appropriate word - he dresses more like a doctor than a masseur) and you don't tip him, so the atmosphere they are trying to create is that the tantric part is more like a medical procedure than a sexual service.

That's interesting as I (like others I suspect) had just assumed that 99% of these 'gold snatches' were 'insurance jobs' and that there never was any gold, yet alone a ladyboy. Maybe I stand corrected? Or maybe the ladyboy's name is 'Patsy'? 🤣

My mate from HK is visiting BKK at the moment. Has to do 3 days quarantine on his return, which is not too bad

For more than a year now, many posters have been saying that what bars need is the return of the Chinese tourist...and the Japanese.....and the Koreans...and the Singaporeans...and the Malaysians...because they can come for more frequent trips due to proximity, and when they come they tend to spend freely. I've been told the Malaysians are appearing in increasing numbers and now we're seeing the Chinese beginning to trickle in. There's every reason to hope that this is a harbinger for the reopening of venues like Lucky Boys and Screw Boy in Bangkok and many more in Pattaya. Their baht is just as good--and welcome--as westerners' baht.

Thanks for the article. It mentions that the older group might not have yet been exposed to the nine strains of HPV that Gardasil protects against. So a reason to get it.. Also they are concerned about the need for the vaccine overseas. So they are thinking about cost and availability. So 45 is just a number they decided upon. They could have come up with the number 50, or 40. They don’t really know, which is why my doctor thought it was a good idea I get it. Especially since I’m a twink mongerer. But it’s up to us to be proactive and and admit such to our doctors, or we will be ignored and not provided a vaccine which could prevent many cancers.

Hey Olddaddy : good luck with your specialist appointment. Despite the cost the outcome hopefully will give a definitive diagnosis and treatment. I am not a doctor but a few observations: i) Has a connection with Covid being ruled out? An attack on the throat is a common system of Covid; ii) I know u say you have taken anti biotics but in the event that the specialist appointment is inconclusive (or even if it is) maybe try a combination of different anti biotics until you get the problem cured; iii) if they cannot diagnose the problem and fix it, then just fix it without knowing the cause....or is that unsatisfactory? Take care, 😊 Zombie.

Such a waste you won't be in Bangkok during this Christmas. I am so glad you get along well with @18past19 Both of you love handsome muscle guys and I can imagine both eyeing the same guys in bar!

Twinks have cocks too and know how to use them rather well

I’ll be there, but I try to avoid anything Xmas related.

that would be me, thank you ( I run out of likes for today )

For MaxTul fans: Max and Tul will reprise their roles of Tan and Dr. Bun of “Manner of Death” in the continuation of the plot from “Triage”. The new series will be called “ Transplant”. Unfortunately, the link below is not an official teaser:

Misaligned spendings on social programs by democrats and attempts to drop most of them by republicans, coupled with the ignorance of the brainwashed mob who votes against their own interests is only a small part of the problem the US is facing.

I think the higher costs will make this a very niche product. Like Unicorn says, arrive in super comfort after 10 hours, or cattle for 6? Is the 4 hours really worth it? I doubt it. This will only sell to those to whom time is a super premium.

Was a dumb idea back then, still a dumb idea. Not too many people are flying across oceans for quick business meetings. I have a suspicion that those people who have extra money would rather spend it for a flat-bed seat on a comfortable wide-body and spend 10 hours on the flight, rather than paying a good deal extra for an uncomfortable seat on a 6-hour flight. Ultimately the same idea.

we need some new travel report or something otherwise our forum will start depressing us. Most popular subjects recently , widely discussed and responded are sickness and care homes

Richard's death wasn't sudden. His health had been going downhill for months. I last saw him at a Christmas dinner a few months before and he looked in bad shape even then. He did have some of his former employees helping him and a few friends looking in on him. As far as I know he never went to a hospital. He had no insurance and very little money. He died in his condo. Sadly, Richard died essentially broke. If you are interested, Richard's Facebook page still exists: https://www.facebook.com/richard.burk.351 Thailand does have very good assisted living facilities. Including room, meals, and care they average around 45,000 baht per month. Not bad considering at current exchange rates that amounts to a little less that US $1300 per month - and these are very nice places, not dumps. A couple things I do know about dying in Thailand - If you die in hospital, no autopsy is required. If you die anywhere else, an autopsy is required. No matter where you die in Thailand, it is my understanding these autopsies are done only in Bangkok. Also, hospitals do offer living wills. You can designate a surrogate to make medical decisions for you if you become incompetent to do so. You can also specify DNR options and organ donor options. I once asked the American Embassy what their involvement is if an American dies. I was told the first thing they do is find your passport. They notify your nearest living relative. They check to see if you have a will. They have to sign off on releasing your body for funeral, shipping back to home country, or whatever your will and family specify. Any other involvement is on an "if necessary" case by case basis. As for what happens when a farang dies in Thailand, you might be interested in this article: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/16/special-feature-one-a-day-part-one-what-happens-when-a-foreigner-dies-in-thailand/