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(part 12, truly in a tidbit fashion) After making my usual rounds this week at Dream Boy, Fresh Boys and New Twilight (in that order) and offed three boys of different nationalities (Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar, respectively), one from each bar, here are some updates. 1. Drink price and boy's cut: Dream Boy is the most expensive at 450B for both customer and boy drink, Fresh Boy: 400B, and New Twilight: 350B. Boys all got 100B from their own drinks. The bar fines (or off fees) are all the same: 500B (but different from Pattaya bars, as reported in earlier parts, boys in Bangkok bars receive nothing from the bar fine). 2. Boy's basic salary: all three bars provide some incentive for boys, who show up at work on time (8pm) and who do not have an off that night (boy drinks don't count). This amount varies from bar to bar though. Dream Boy stingiest with 100B/night, Fresh Boy better with 150, New Twilight most generous with 200 (on par with Banana Room reported in part 8). Fresh Boy also had this weird rule: if the previous night you don't have a customer, the next day nobody cares if you show up for work or not. But if you had a customer the night before and you don't show up the next day, bar assumes that you are still with that customer and you have to pay a bar fine of 500B. Since the boy I offed from Fresh Boy is Viet and we talked in Vietnamese, I think I got this correctly. 3. Number of boys: Since Dream Boy currently boasts the largest cast (more than 40), Fresh Boy middle of the pack (around 25) and New Twilight (less than a dozen, 7 floor boys and 4 show boys the night I visited) comes last, the above-mentioned incentive appears to play a lesser part in boys' decision of where to work. I think number of potential customers is far more important. Fresh Boy and Dream Boy both played to a packed house the nights I visited (drizzling midweek nights) and many boys got off. Things did not bode well at all for New Twilight: Saturday night, perfect weather (pretty cool but no rain) and only 6 customers (4 alone and 2 together) at the time the show started (10p30). A few more arrived during a show. There was a large gaggle of young male farangs coming in, who could easily double or triple the "crowd" size in the house if they decided to stay, but they didn't. I think when they saw there were only a few boys on stage, fully-clothed, they backed out immediately. 4. Speaking of New Twilight's attire problems, I made it a point to complain loudly to 2 different mamasans about what the boys were wearing on stage (this is a GO-GO bar with GO-GO prices, why LONG jeans and black t-shirts with LONG sleeves, revealing almost nothing; the boys all looked like valet parking attendants in some casino hotel in Cambodia). Both mamasans assured me boys would wear less later (after the second show, around midnight), but I didn't see that happened. When I finally picked a boy, before making my decision (actually I already made my decision when he showed me shirtless pictures on his phone), just for added effect, I asked him to get back on stage at least shirtless. He took off his shirts and stood at the end of the rotation. Then it looked like he explained the situation to other boys and moved up front so I can admire his toned body. I nodded my approval "that's how it's done", told the mamasan (who recognized me from the early X-boy and Lucky Boys days and still remembered I'm Vietnamese) to go get the tab. Funny enough, when my boy got back to me, another on stage also took off his shirt (probably in hope of getting more attention?) I also saw that most boys who were asked to come and sit with a customer are show boys, who wore underwear most of the time, and one got an off and left with a customer after the final show, around the same time I left with mine, a bit after midnight. Another problem (New Twilight's freezing aircons which other members complained about) was also addressed several times that night. When I put on my light jacket, a mamasan asked if they should adjust the temperature (good customer care). Then another customer on my left asked them to change it again because it was still freaking cold. Then just before their second show, one of the dancers in a skimpy outfit asked for the third time. It was then warm enough I had to take off my jacket to reveal my toned body. Sorry I digress... 5. The "You can f*ck me but keep it an open secret" trend: as discussed in part 10, I noticed this phenomenon years ago in Vietnamese MBs in Vietnam, but this time, I start noticing it too in Bangkok bars. When I visited Hotmale earlier this week, the only one I would consider offing is No 34. Checked with a mamasan, who said he's Thai and straight. "Can I f*ck him?" "No, he's men." A few minutes later, another mamasan, who somehow got wind of my enquiry, approached me and said "You can f*ck him but you have to pay more. But keep it a secret because he's shy and doesn't want others to know". I refrained from asking the obvious question "then how come do you know?", "how much more?" Mamasan didn't know (maybe it was an even bigger secret) and ran off to asked, then came back with "He wanted 5000" (same level as Moonlight models?). I don't think so, so I didn't off anyone from Hotmale that night. Then in New Twilight, the boy I picked was also straight. Both he and mamasan said he's willing to bottom (not asking for more money though) but again, it's a secret (I tell only you) nobody knows (except those who know). 6. This time, I continued to off mostly new faces, as is my wont. I was second customer of the boy in Dream Boy, who was a 26-year-old hair stylist back in Cambodia and who needed money to pay off his big loan. I was (again) the first customer ever of that boy who got on stage shirtless in New Twilight. He was from Myanmar and just started 2 weeks ago, got two boy drinks but no off yet. It seems he's indeed new and tended to do exactly what I told him. Back in the hotel, I gave him a toothbrush. He went off brushing his teeth, then came back, still wearing his jeans. "You didn't take a shower?" I asked him. "I have to take a shower?" Off he went back to the bathroom. Later, it turned out, not just was this the first time he slept with a man, it was the first time he slept with anyone (He hasn't even slept with a girl yet, never had a girlfriend, and he's 21 years old already. Must have come from a far-flung backwater area.) Didn't even know how to kiss with tongue. "Are you nervous?" I asked him. "No, I'm not nervous.... I'm afraid. This is my first." Speaking of "first time", I was also the first time ever of Little Lao in part 11. Born to a farmer's family, grew up in a rural area and only did farming work, he never had a chance to have sex with men, let alone have a boy friend. "I went to Thailand to earn money but also to have opportunities to have sex with men," so he told me after that farce of threesome also reported in part 11. "I slept with 4 or 5 men so far" He added (proudly? but appears to lose count already though) Anyway, what happened with the Viet boy I offed from Fresh Boy was more hilarious. He was far more popular than the other two and also the youngest at 18 years old. He started in Fresh Boy 5 days ago and I was already his fourth customer. That means he got customers, both farang and Asian, almost every day. Can't speak English and Thai (not yet), very sweet and nice to talk to in his mother tongue, I think he would follow the same route as other cute Viet boys I met in Fresh Boy. Popular at fist as a cute new face, but no repeats. His idea of servicing a customer is still pretty much jerking himself off to a porn video while the customer watches. Just out of curiosity, I also asked him how much it would take to f*ck him. He said, he would consider bottoming, and since this is his first time, to "take his flower" or to "pop his cherry" (or whatever expressions you think would fit), a customer needs to pay 50.000 bath. To be fair, in Vietnam, virginity traditionally matters a lot and wealthy businessmen have been known to pay many times of that amount to deflower a girl, believing doing so would bring them good luck. Anyway, the boy in question, in stark contrast with the Myanmar boy, slept with girls before he reached 18 (the consent age in Vietnam is 16) and already got a new Viet girlfriend who's only 17 right here in Bangkok, barely five days after he arrived, so I think the matter of virginity is not really relevant here. 7. Finally, some funny tidbits. I agreed with some other members' observations: New Twilight white-wearing waiters are generally cuter and also more gay than their floor boys. Because @jason1975 got a regular working as waiter in the bar and he made it clear that his friends stay away from his man, I have to be sure. When I came in, my first question to a cute waiter who greeted me was "Who's Jason's man?" (so that I can stay away from him) "Everyone else, but me" came back the answer. Sorry this is totally made-up. I just wanted to pull Jason's proverbial leg. The fucking show in Fresh Boy that night had to stop midway, I guess because the top can't keep it hard. So they went backstage and the audience was asked to watch a cabaret performance while the boys got themselves ready again (I don't know how). The Viet boy sitting with me gave his kudos to the top - who he saw, during his five days working in Fresh Boy, perform every night, three different shows each day, all requiring a sustained hard-on (first a jerk-off solo on a couch, then the big cock show, finally the fucking show). Should I start a blue pill donation campaign to help him out? I'm sure many members here have one or two to spare. (to be continued)

not sure what it is supposed to mean 'bit trashy" but whatever it is, nothing to be apprehensive about. Boys are as nice as BKK ones, prices of drinks, off fees , massages and expected tips are lower indeed. If you are looking for twinks you will find galore of them in Jomtien Complex as well as Winners and whatever was left from Sunee Plaza glory. Nice Boys staff may be a bit on rough side but in positive sense of it - less inhibited I'd say. For more meatier guys head to Boyztown, BBB and Dreamboys will be your destination there. If you bored during day, trip to Koh Larn ( with boy or three in tow), Sanctuary of Truth and Noong Noch (spelling? ) Tropical Gardens and Big Buddha on top of the hill at the center are you daytime distractions. Central Festival and Terminal 21 are malls to visit if you re shopper. Lots of restaurants so you won't starve, if you like street food , you will find plenty of it between Wat Chai and Tukcom. Baht bus is 10 baht and motorsai between Jomtien and the center will be 60-100 depending on driver , time of day, your negotiating skills, how you dressed and phase of moon. If you arrive by Airport bus ( recommended), terminal is walking distance of 6 minutes 37 seconds from Jomtien Complex, if by bus from Ekkamai bus station to North Pattaya Bus Station , it will be 50--100 by songtawew (baht bus) or motorsai to Boyztown, unless you stop songtaew on the main street, that it will be 2 times 10 baht as you must change at Delphin roundabout. As for hotels, in Boytzown Classroom (more quiet) , just above ABomb boy bar or in Boyztown proper Copa or Ambiance are your choices, all gust friendly like 127.43% of Pattaya hotels. In Jomtien complex Zing Resort or The Venue are cheaper choices, Agate , East Suites and Poseidon are more for affluent types like you.

Love and sex are 2 different things that some people think are the same......and talking about dogs, they are the most loyal love you can have, they don't care if you live in a mansion or under a bridge ☺️

Very true - and very sad. He had posted on this Board about his cancer which he had had treated in the King Chulalongkorn public hospital near Lumphini Park. He raved about the treatment he received and said it was a small fraction of what he would have had to pay in the private hospitals. Unfortunately he either had no medical insurance or very little. So when the cancer returned he had no money for more treatment. I recall he wrote he stayed with friends in Bangkok who let him sleep on their sofa. And then he passed away. No matter what your feelings about him, it was a very sad way to die. It also brought back on to the forum the absolute necessity of members who live in Thailand having some form of insurance to cover costly on-going medical treatment.

I had to read that twice and am now desperate to learn the larger back-story to this, even though there are recognisable shades of this permutating my own 'romances' in Thailand. I do have a boyfriend now, although I share him with a Swiss guy. When he is with me I am No. 1, when he is with Mr Switzerland he is No 1. Kinda works in an odd way. Fortunately we both holiday at different times with the lad, but I do kinda wonder who is his No 1 when neither of us are in town? 🤣 At the end of the say we will each have a different story (or stories!) to tell, but as long as we are happy with whatever relationship(s) we have, surely that is all that matters?

I have a real love BF. It has been almost 19 years. He is great. He was not a money boy when I met him and he never asks for money. @floridarob(we won't talk about houses, cars, motorbikes, etc). I do think a flat fee would have been cheaper. But, do I believe he loves me. Yes. Does his mother agree with me? Yes. Does his son and daughters agree? Yes. Does his wife agree? Yes It is unanimous. And, I also adore him. He is now pushing 40. He has always said I was top priority in his life and he has put me so.

I stopped obsessing about the nature and the worth of my relationship with P long ago, realising that, however unsatisfactory, disappointing and even painful it can be, it was the best that either of us could expect ever to have. And so we should be grateful. I no longer worry about its origins in a Pattaya bar, the thousands of miles that separate us, nor the fact that he maintains his decent standard of living only because of my ability to support him. What this relationship is now, it has always been and always will be, up to separation by death. And since he believes in the transmigration of souls, for him, even beyond.

We are not doing a scientific research here. But I bet the vast majority of the farang and boy relationships involve money, or free rent, free food, free trips. And that is totally fine as long as it works for both parties.

My partner doesn't care that I hire, as long as it isn't in the house. She knew I was gay when I married her. But, she's my best friend, and I'd be lost without her. All relationships are compromise, that was part of ours. We're coming up on 30 years, so it works for us. I spent most of my 20s trying to find the perfect guy and realized that spiritual fit and sexual fit was too high a bar for me. That's when I finally realized I had my life mate, I just wasn't interested in fucking her which was totally fine by her. It adds an extra expense to the budget, but the benefit is that my boyfriend of the hour is always hot and fresh.

.... at least until they learn their actual account balance I guess

thank you , you have a good heart ! Way OP asked question made it somewhat easy to answer

Thailand does not appear comprehend that the China, as well as the rest of the world is in financial distress and this makes it less likely that foreign investment will dig Thailand out of it's financial hole. This is true for tourism as well. I don't see either as a panacea for Thai financial doldrums. As long as Thailand is governed by military people who have little real understanding of economics we're in serious trouble. Many Thai people are economically distressed and even hungry but the government is more concerned with purchasing fighter jets submarines and other military hardware. Much like children with their toys they don't see the real problems or deal with them. Enough of my rambling.

WOW Vinapu; I salute u! Such a cmprhnsv infrmtv detailed response, and above all - welcoming!! There is at least one forum on this website, where the response from more than one mmbr wld b something like - "hey newbie, go do ur research"... Kudos!!!

Reminds me of a blonde joke..... A blonde gets on an airplane and sits down in the first class section of the plane. The stewardess rushes over to her and tells her she must move to coach because she doesn't have a first class ticket. The blonde replies, "I'm blonde, I'm smart, I have a good job, and I'm staying in first class until we reach Jamaica." The disgusted stewardess gets the head stewardess who asks the blonde to leave. The blonde yet again repeats "I'm blonde, I'm smart, I have a good job and I'm staying in first class until we reach Jamaica." The head stewardesses doesn't even know what to do at this point because they still have to get the rest of the passengers seated to take off; the blode is causing a problem with boarding now, so the stewardess gets the copilot. The copilot goes up to the blonde and whispers in her ear. She immediately gets up and goes to her seat in the coach section. The head stewardess asks the copilot in amazement what he said to get her to move to her correct seat. The copilot replies, "I told her the front half of the airplane wasn't going to Jamaica." source: http://www.jokes4us.com/blondejokes/firstclassblondejoke.html

Do you really want to argue with Immanuel Kant?

I am with my guy 20 years this November At time he was just gone 18 and I was 10 years older than him (and had a lot more hair!) We are in an open relationship and have had a lot of 3somes, 4somes and room relays (him and his boy, then me and my boy, then perhaps the 2 of us and one of the boys or another pick up) These days we have settled down a lot more, but I would never dream of trading him in!

My understanding is that LMTU died of cancer caused by the HPV virus. Friend of mine had to decide recently as to whether his 12yo son should get the HPV vaccine. Seems crazy to me not to take it when it's available and causes such horrible death

Yes-that was/is moreorless the general universal rule for about all bars. IF they do not show up on a day they are rostered, it will be assumed they had an off. But as about all things Thai in a small bisnis where personal contacts and also bisnis-value of the better performing guys (solely in terms of receipts to the till) play an important rule-plus that about any ´rule´ whatsoever anywhere in Thailand will have many exceptions and other important considerations-nothing is set in stone. It can all change by the minute or whims. Now that staff are much harder to get and need incentive to stay longer, bars have to give in to their old-style enforcements

I arrived in Pattaya this week for a short (4 week) visit. On Saturday evening at about 10 pm I decided to give Boyztown a look over, as I haven’t seen it since the reopening after Covid. I decided to try 3 Gogo bars. The first I visited was an old favourite Toyboys and I was greeted warmly by the Manager/Boss/ Owner, or whatever he is. Name Put or Pat. There were in excess of 18 boys working all in underwear. Most if not all could be called Twinks. About 5 customers. Unfortunately, I was then “greeted” by a male Mamasan. I recognised him from a few years ago. Bad news. He must have graduated top of the class from the “Pesky Mamasan” University. He wouldn’t leave me alone, sat beside me and demanded a drink. Ignoring him eventually did the trick but it must have taken 15 minutes, before he went to pester another customer. Nasty piece of work. I made 100% sure he was outside when it came to paying the bill. Only had one drink and decided enough was enough. Next I went into BBB. Some boys on stage in full clothing and about 10 customers. I left without buying a drink. Next I went round the corner to see how things were at Dreamboys. As I approached the door a guy went straight inside. Bad sign. I ŵas right and there were no customers and about 5 boys scrambling to get on the stage. I decided it was not for me sitting there alone. As I was leaving BT I walked past A Bomb and so had a look inside. Again no customers. A few boys in underwear. All rather disappointing for a Saturday evening between 10 and 11 pm. I returned to Jomtien which was heaving!

I guess I have met many BMs over the years, although most from the other forum I am on. Always interesting to meet new people, some I see again and again on subsequent trips, others are happily only passing ships. However, I have been fortunate to have had a succession of three 'wingmen' supporting me on my 22 trips; people who have very definitely become friends both while I am in Thailand and back home. Two sadly have now passed on but I remember them fondly for their friendship, advice and wisdom. The third has hopefully many more years left in him as he is quite a lot younger than me, but knows the gay scene of Pattaya vastly better than me. Our holidays don't always coincide, but when they do mine is immeasurably better as a consequence. There is a level of gossip and banter that you can have with farang friends in Pattaya that is not really possible with my Thai friends; language barriers mostly, but also wholly different perspectives as to why we are each in Pattaya. If all goes to plan I hope to be back in Pattaya from 2nd September for 4 weeks and would be happy to meet up with (most 🙃) other BMs on this forum for a drink and a chat. Don't worry about cramping my style amongst the other bar boys, that's my boyfriends chosen job! 🤣 Please send me a PM if you would like to do so

The guys that I have met in Pattaya have been more of an 'anything goes' attitude than those in Bangkok, but I wouldn't describe it as trashy. As Vinapu mentioned, boys in Pattaya are as nice as those in Bangkok. Prices are more reasonable in most bars for drinks, hotels are usually cheaper, and tips expectations are lower. Winner is always worth a visit in my opinion, I'm guessing you like guys on the twinkier side? I just returned from a short trip, I'll have a very brief report up in a day or two that might answer some questions.

I saw it last night, the first performance of the night. I think the dancers got other gigs somewhere else as they didn't appear again. Their outfit looks nice but nothing kinky about their performance.

I would not go to Thailand hoping to find a real boyfriend - one who I didn't have to pay for. The type of guy I would look for - hot, handsome, young and hung - would not find me attractive. I'd be wasting my time looking. I always travel to Thailand (and S.E. Asia in general) by myself, as my gay friends are not interested in Asians. (No, I don't get it either!) But I'm never lonely because I have a couple of guys I spend all my time with. They offer great companionship and are just lovely guys. Of course, they are money boys but they never ask for anything. I'm the one who suggests we should go shopping because I like spending money on them. (And on myself, too!) Sometimes they even reject my offer to buy them something. WTF?? - It's ok. Already have. - But it's old. Don't you want a new one? - It still working. No need. If they were gay and I were their age, either would be perfect for me. I'd love to have one (or both) as a real (no money involved) boyfriend. But there's no guarantee that they'd want me. I've had real live-in boyfriends in the past but now I'm single. I'm alone but not lonely as I have lots of friends, both gay and straight, who I care about very much. My sex life here is catered for by 2 hot money boys I see on a regular basis - but not at the same time. Loneliness is a by-product of getting old, especially for men. It's important to build up a social group and to see them often. Joining various clubs and taking up new hobbies is a great way to find friends. There's nothing better then practising hobbies with like-minded people. They don't have to be gay, although many of my friends are. But all my friends, gay and straight, mix in together. But I imagine forming new social relationships with farang would be a little more difficult if you were to move to Thailand to live.

The 'all' is a generalisation and completely untrue.

All relationships between farang and boyfriends/boy/ladyboys/lady involve money.

at last count I met 26 members during my 22 Thai trips including firecat, hence deceased and 1 member on my home turf. It was always fun. Not all meetings were reported in my trip reports for one reason or another though. Some meetings were over dinner, other joint trips to massages or bar visits. Few just handshakes in passing. For bar visits z909 and Christian PFC are the best companions as there's no chance we will go for the same guys. On another hand spoon and 18past 19 are most dangerous companions as there's 100% chance we will like the same guy but so far we managed to avoid any conflicts of interest, quite opposite they recommended few gems to me in the past for what I'm eternally grateful.

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Hi Guys, Do mmbrs of this forum fraternise when in Thailand, or is anonymity the rule? I dont rmmbr reading here reports, that included any interaction btw ourselves. For example: when seating in venues, do u always seat only with the boys, even though there r other farangs who might b nice company? When I'll visit Pattaya in Nov, will I b able to meet vetrans, if only for guidance? Drinks on me.....

Good question👌 I have got to know one German guy in Jomtien but not got to know many more really. I often look around seeing some guys and wondering if they are members here too I'm in Jomtien until 4 Nov if you fancy meeting up? The AT HOME BAR is great and similarly THE SUN BAR opposite.....some lovely boys and Birthday Parties 👍🏼👌🍺😎

those are not problems but clear signs of Thai government aim - to welcome tourists and their wallets for vacation but prevent them from staying permanently polluting society with foreign blood and genes. Exception is made for rich foreigners because exception for rich is made always and everywhere

link both words with "not" and there we are!

Parque Bolivar /the area around the Cathedral in Medellin was extensively discussed a few weeks ago (despite the headline of this thead and the initial posts about a certain scort; it is worth to make a separate thread about Parque Bolivar with all the observations/comments from here?) Anyway, here are my observations from my visit in Medellin last month: Parque Bolivar and the square in front of the Cathedral is perfectly safe during daytime; actually quite pleasant IMO. Indeed, there are drug/glue addicts and hustlers/prostitutes but they will not interfear or do you any harme. I suggest to walk and look around in the park. You will be noticed, and some of the guys will wave or try to make contact if you look at them. If you want to interact with the guys, sit down somewhere a bit private and be patient. The are many guys in the parque and some will eventually approach you; they will know why you are there. Have a chat (most will not speak English) and see what happens. The guys know where to take you for fun; nearby hotels have “ocasional room” for 15 mil. Bring condoms and lube. Expect to pay the guy 50-75 mil for sex; to be negotiated of course. The guys that hang around Parque Bolivar are young but not models/have muscle or gym fit bodies, and appearance wise a bit on the rough side, but if you are into such guys, you will have a good time there; some of them are cute/good looking IMO and most have nice lean bodies. Enjoy!

It looks to me X-boys in Pattaya is even stricter with their attendance rule: as long as you are on their roster, you pay the fine of 500B if you don't show up, regardless of your off status the previous night. I guess boys can take leave for medical reasons or to visit their family though.

Somehow I can't put "you" and "shy" in the same sentence

I think it makes a lot of sense from the bars perspective.

No. I am saying I cannot understand - nor accept - that the highest court in any land has a right effectively to overturn a long standing law in a city and as a result insist that citizens be given the right to carry hidden weapons. From what we have read over the last years, it is obvious that in the USA criminal histories are not always checked. And what about mental history? The right wing always blames the mental health issue. How is that to be checked? Only for those who have visited a psychiatrist? The mental health issue is to all intents and purposes a red herring. The checks and balances clearly do not work.

With respect I think your comment is not wholly accurate. Even in straight relationships, the man will often be the main breadwinner and provide for his wife/family. Many gay relationships with younger Thais may not include cash (I can think of several long term relationships where the Thais actually make more in good jobs than their farang partners) but will include payment for things like dinners and overseas holidays. My partner will very occasionally get a small amount of cash for a special purchase. Otherwise, we take care of our own expenses other than those I have listed above. I wonder if it is because most of those who read this site look for or are in relationships with commercial boys that there is this belief that every relationship will involve the transfer of regular amounts of cash. There are many which do not. I realise Thai social attitudes to gay men result in it being difficult to find Thais profession, but it is a lot more difficult I believe for visiting tourists than for those who live here.

Philippines export caregivers to foreign countries too. Their advantage is the ability to speak passible English. I personally know a few Filipino nurses in the U.S. I don't know if they are better than nurses of other nationalities. To be honest, most people don't want to be nurses or caregivers. In the U.S., most caregivers working in nursing home or private home are lowly educated, these jobs are just one step higher than janitors.

For that money I'd go for it only if imported model from Moonlight, Tawan or Jupiter in included in price and for long time at that

I saw "HOME" bar in jomtien seemed to be popular among farangs so that maybe worth going to , friendly crowd, friendly owner

I grew up in a small city in Scotland, and my brother, who was five years older than me, was also gay, but rather than helping or supporting me through the bad times he made it worse for me. He got married and had two children, while still being even more camp than me. When I came out to my parents in my mid twenties as I was leaving Scotland for the joys of London, my mother's only response was to ask "What about your brother?", to which my only response was "ask him dear". I last saw my brother at our mother's funeral more than twenty years ago. I still hate him for all he did to me. In my teenage years I tried to kill myself three times, once with a paracetamol overdose that nearly worked. I am now in my mid sixties and have lived in Pattaya for eleven years and having a happy retirement after being kicked out of my job for being gay at the age of 52. Sorry for being so boring, I will shut up now.

you won't be disappointed at Sabaidee. Keep in mind than many guys there may not be available if you just show up on given day. From what I was told guys there are free to come and go without fixed schedule. On another hand they may be few interesting whose pics are not posted for some reason. For hunks it's now most interesting option but that may possibly change if Senso and Prince re-opens. On another hand VCK Club in Aree area is still alive and kicking although with reputation of being more place for Asians K-Man's accolades are well deserved but guys there are less hunky, more next door types , no shortage of handsome and sizable though. In general, while a lot of places closed still there's enough of them to keep one busy and his funds depleted for quite long vacations so availability of handsome and willing masseurs is least of any tourist concerns.

Remind me to never become your wingman!! (Before anyone downvotes me, I do know Vessey, so this is an in joke!)

Thanks-never heard of. But could you give some more info, please/ I do mot do twit nor any of those ´socials´. Plus that lately both MRT and BTS and the new red line=SRT have been extended a lot and taxiś still go everywhere for less as a London metro fare. I have been all over BKK on the BMTA=citybus through the years, till farthest corners and outposts. But still have not made it back nor even have booked for BKK now. In general the Thai-style suburban places do not have a special style, but more a variety to suit all tastes-Thai taste that is. Plus they have much more to simply rely on who is available at the time and willing

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as long as it does not prevent us from going there, those goosebumps and increased heartbeat are a great feeling!

good think that many people still remember that case ( it was mentioned to me by one of my guys in May ) and one day , I'm sure , killer will be repaid in kind.

The location is indeed inconvenient. Plus, the major roads leading to it are heavily congested on weekdays. Do factor that in if you're going. I went there with Grab and was slightly late for my appointment. The experience was ok but I probably won't go back because of the hassle.

I have been to all except Calgary. The nearest I got was Banff! Cannot agree at all with the comments about lack of entertainment and culture. All, including Calgary, are home to symphony orchestras, some of them absolutely amongst the best in the world with three better than any orchestra in London, Paris or NYC (Vienna Philharmonic, Royal Concertgebouwm Royal Danish and Amsterdam Baroque Orchestras, for example, and to that list can be added more orchestras like the Vienna Symphony, Melbourne Symphony, Osaka Philharmonic); many have international opera companies (the Vienna Staatsoper is one of the world's top four) and most either very fine ballet or contemporary dance companies (The Royal Danish Ballet where the phenomenal Eric Bruhn, Nureyev's lover, was based as first a dancer and later as Artistic Director, and the Dutch National Ballet in Amsterdam, with the excellent Nederlands Dans Theater just 45 minutes away in The Hague). All have several Museums, some superb - Rijksmuseum, Van Gogh Museum, Kunsthistorisches Museum, the Frank Gehry-redesigned Art Gallery of Toronto, and equally a variety of good to excelent restaurants. Many regularly host Broadway musicals. The main problem could be theatre since most theatre performances will be in the local language. Not much good if you don't speak German, for example, but then Frankfurt also has an English language theatre company. All this is "as boring as it gets"?? Certainly not in my book.

This thread strikes a chord. And not a pleasant one. I'm in into my third week in Pattaya and am having a great time after thirty months away. Mainly thanks to the efforts of my partner, whose good humour and enjoyment have kept me smiling. However, those thirty months of separation took their toll on me physically and mentally. I lost both my oldest friend and then my brother, both to cancer, and this led to my relationship- my very distant relationship- with P assuming enormous significance. So this trip, on which I lavished time and money, the financial savings from six missed journeys to Thailand , was essential. It has gone well but there have been issues with my stamina. Gone are the late nights; 0300 when I was a butterfly twenty years ago, and 2300 during my nearly eighteen years involvement with P. It's now a 2100 retirement. And I'm always ready. Also gone is my 1800 pre-dinner Singha. Until now, a highlight. A time for reflection. Now that one beer is, bluntly, too much for me. On the credit side, I've swum every day and my bedroom stamina has been excellent. I face the onset of old age with sadness. I was seventy- three when I was last here. Those two missed years have undoubtedly made a big difference to my routines. However, flights and hotels (BKK, Chiang Mai and Jomtien) in November are all booked and paid for, and so I must have some life left in me. The aim is to spend what's left of my existence living as disgracefully as possible!