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I will never forget my first massage experience in Bangkok many years ago ..I was/am still straight acting and was in Bangkok with some friends. None of them know that I'm gay till now..one evening after dinner i cook up some excuses and called the taxi driver whom drove us around in the afternoon . He arrived and I mention to him is he knows any gay massage place in Bangkok that he can drive me to . Long story short..he drove me to Arena. And he walk in with me ..I was so super excited and super nervous.. I recall the mama san came over and offered the menu/price list to me and ask me to choose the boy I like . I was too afraid to even look at all the half naked men on display that i got the first one of my liking.. I still recall he was muscles and handsome. My kind of guy ..he brought me upstairs and ask me to undress as he left for I don't know what . He return shortly and ask me to lay on my front and process to remove my underwear . Yes . It was still on ..hahaha ..than he started masage on me ..mine was hard the moment I walk in Arena and I almost cum when his hand touches my cock.. when he ask me to turn ..I just could take it any longer . And push him on the massage table and I got on top of him and kisses him sucking him and rub on his abs while deep kissing him till i cum ..I suppose he was also shock by my sudden action ...anyway ..I cum like 5 mins from the moment he was on the table ..hahaha ..I got change real quick and pass him his tips ( can't recall how much ) and walk down to the main hall . The driver was still sitting there waiting for me ..and I signal him that we need to go fast ..still recall I told him not to mention this incidents to my friends as we so were still using his Service the next day..... I always have a good laugh at myself whenever I think about that ...haha

I once saw a video showing a massage table with two holes, one for your head, the other for your penis and balls. One masseur worked above table, the other worked below.😁

I was not referring specifically to Thailand. Travel pricing depends on a host of factors and there is no reason to believe that, as in the past, high prices are here to stay in the long run. Re air fares, of course they are higher due to much greater than expected demand after covid, oil price, high inflation rate, finding new staff fast, peak summer demand etc. But airlines have been through similar price hikes before and prices have eventually come down. Remember when oil was almost $150 per barrel? That was in 2008 and 2012 and was followed by predictions of doom and gloom for the travel industry. By 2016 it was down to around $60. Just yesterday alone there was a cut of 12% in the price of jet fuel.

Those are the types of moments that we will remember f o r e v e r ! ! ! Thanks for sharing it with all of us. Mine was like this but in Brooklyn. There was this cruisy park where I had heard that you could go to meet other guys to jerk off with. It was near the BQE and quite isolated - as it was hidden underneath the highway in a park. There were about 30 guys milling around. A hot guy approached me (I was only 23) and picked me up and put me on the park table. I was so nervous that my knee caps were shaking and making a strange noise. The guy asked me to close my eyes and wanted to know if I had white underwear on. I replied yes (I later learned that this hot guy had a HUGE fetish for guys in white underwear). He removed my shorts (it was a hot summer night) and started to caress me in my white underwear. I was rock hard very quickly and finally my knee caps stopped to clatter. I peaked with one eye open and the other 29 guys circled around the park picnic table where this hot guy had placed me on and they started to jerk off in a literal circle jerk formation. Some tried to approach me - but he barked at them to keep their distance as I understood that he wanted to be in full control of my ejaculation. He asked me to let him know when I was getting near to ejaculate - which was like within the first 5 minutes - and he would stop and do other things like caress my balls and/or nipples. I then understood that he wanted to make a show - as various guys who were in the circle jerk would cum each time I told him to stop or I would cum prematurely. When there were only a few guys left in the circle - he said ok, I give you permission to cum and boy did I let out a big load. The guys from the circle jerk applauded and the hot guy who took charge of me also ejaculated. It was totally hot. I frequented this park often after that initiation night and often this event would be recreated - but I was no longer the one on the table -- as I learned to understand that only a newbie could be on the table to be celebrated in front of the others like that - as it was their tradition and ritual. This celebration lasted until one day the NYC police descended into the park one evening during this ritual and most of us escaped by rapidly scaling the high fence to get away from the cops. It was a totally crazy period but one that I will remember forever - like your Arena massage in secret with your trusted taxi driver.

During my last trip I began taking frequent, early evening walks through Lumpinee Park. I’d wait until the sun was low and twilight would set in by the halfway mark. On some nights I’d make the trek with a friend who was off work but on other days I was pretty much alone—except for the cats. I discovered the cats—or perhaps it was the other way around—about five minutes after entering the park. What first caught my attention was their lack of skittishness. Wherever I cam across one, it was obvious that they viewed themselves as being entirely at home, which is something you don’t expect from an animal that doesn’t have a traditional home. As I made my way along the wide paths, I began to spot them relaxing on the grass and sometimes right in the middle of the road. It also became apparent that none appear scrawny or unhealthy. They looked like typical house cats but their house just happened to be a park. In the vicinity of the outdoor weight exercise area, I spotted some felines stretched out on concrete benches. Some were being petted by passersby. I cautiously approached one and as I tried a tentative stroke, it rolled over on its back for a soothing massage. As I moved further along, I saw a few cats eating along the side of the road. Some folks are apparently providing cat food on a regular basis. Soon I came to a bridge over a stream where a few folks gathered by one end. When I paused to see the source of interest, they were tossing bread crumbs to turtles near the water’s edge. The cats weren’t the park's only inhabitants to figure out how to get an evening snack. And if the turtles weren't quick, a fish would dart over and grab the morsels first. One evening when I approached the bridge, three crows positioned themselves on the railing to catch breads crumbs mid-air tossed their way. And it wasn’t just these creatures that inhabit the park. Monitor lizards can be found wandering about (no, they’re not looking to be petted). The park in the evening attracts many joggers of all ages. Everyone goes with the flow whether they’re out for a leisurely evening stroll or exercising to work up a good sweat. Towards the end of our circuit, with twilight fully setting in, the park takes on a magical glow as the lights of nearby high rises reflect off the lake. It never fails to mesmerize me. The best place to enter the park for most of us is the main gate on Rama IV near the Silom MRT station. A few refreshment stands are scattered about the park (water is 8 baht).

If you could wait for 90 more days..... So far, I have stayed at Raya only. The thing I like the most about Raya is its location - just a few steps away from my favorite bar, moonlight. Secondly, I like Raya's grand deluxe rooms specifically for their space. Unless your room is on the 5th floor where their reception is, you wont need to worry about being seen with your guest(s). I dont like their rooms on the 8th floor since they could be very hot during the daytime. AC in at least grand deluxe rooms are hitting directly your face/head if lying in bed. they dont have gym/pool or any exercise area. So i had no other choice .. but there was only one way to utilize all my calories gained from good thai food - gymnastics in my bed! On my most recent visits, I have noticed that Raya is in need of some improvements. their towels and furniture in the rooms need replacements. i was told that the phone in my room was not connected even for local calls. So, I am trying Amara on my next visit in 90 days.

There are a lot of variables involved in answering that. It mainly depends on the time of year. During high season traffic often can get just as bad as Bangkok. But right now we're in the middle of low season. Except for rush hour the traffic is usually rather light and flows smoothly. The later the hour, the less the traffic. For example, I live on "The Dark Side", meaning the east side of Sukhumvit - technically not in Pattaya at all. If you're not familiar, Sukhumvit is the main highway through Pattaya. Pattaya begins and ends on the west side of Sukhumvit. If you cross Sukhumvit, you've just exited Pattaya. The name of my area is Nong Prue. If I'm going to Jomtien from my place, right now the drive usually takes about 15 or 20 minutes. During high season the exact same commute will usually take a minimum of 45 minutes, and often even longer than that. But returning home is hardly ever more than 15 minutes because by that time most of the traffic has cleared and not much traffic is headed out my way in the first place. If you're bringing a boy from Boyztown to Jomtien, then you most likely will be with him during the commute. So, I would recommend going by baht bus or a Grab car. Depending on traffic and where you're staying in Jomtien, the ride should take no more than ten or 15 minutes. But when it's time for him to go back, you're probably not going with him. Give him money enough for a motorbike taxi, which is much quicker and probably no waiting. He'll appreciate that. Of course, if he turns out to be a dud who won't live up to whatever he agreed to do, let him wait for a baht bus . . .

DC has the highest % of monkeypox in the US so I got my shot yesterday. In DC you register online and my appointment choice was sent to me in 2 days. Tiny needle. They said ideally get a 2nd shot in 30 days. 24 hrs and no reaction so I'll now schedule my 2nd covid booster.

The people of Taiwan consider themselves to be living in an independent country. They will emphatically tell you that they are not China.

A view from Taiwan https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/03/china-us-taiwan-nancy-pelosi-visit

Breaking what I had earlier said about not adding more to the debate, there is one issue which came up on a news programme yesterday before it was certain Pelosi would be going to Taiwan. There are three parties in the present "dispute" over Taiwan. Only one will suffer for some considerable time as a result of Pelosi's visit - the people of Taiwan.

For a Grab or Bolt ride, I have no idea. Since I have my own car I have never used them. The motorbike taxi will probably be between 20-80 baht (I don't think anyone needs me to tell them farang are going to be charged more than the boys pay), depending on what the boy negotiates with the driver. It should not be more than 100 baht. From Jomtien, boys are charged between 100-150 baht for a motorbike taxi ride all the way out to my home, which is more than 5km from Jomtien. They have never been charged any more than that, so a ride from Jomtien back to Boyztown, if that's where he is going, will definitely be under 100 baht. Of course he might not be going back to Boyztown at all. He might be going back to his room, and the boy's room could be anywhere. He might work in Boyztown, but his room might not be anywhere near there. I would simply ask him how much a motorbike taxi will cost. He'll know and will probably be honest about it. No matter where he is going in Pattaya, it should not exceed 150 baht.

Columbia is a city in Merryland.

No, # me too

I recommend you hire a gayguide for the first few days then you will be confident walking alone Far better to be alone you will get boys approach you rather than they see someone with you

I use Bolt in Pattaya as do most people in Pattaya. It’s new so at the moment so a very reasonable price. A one way trip from Boyztown to Jomtien would be 60 baht. The service is very impressive and waiting times are always less than 5 minutes, often only one or two minutes. Use it while it’s a “loss leader”. A motor bike taxi is also 60 baht. So no contest, unless there are severe traffic problems.

What the hell is a stap-on?

Thank you for the updates above, and the link to local media. Clearly of great concern. 11 murders to date is shocking! Many discussion threads recommend the App’s for meetings. Until the perpetrator (s) is/are caught no one is safe. I trust all forum readers are being “careful” with a highly dangerous situation.

Chatting with a friend in Bogotá today and there was another victim last week. That puts the count at 11. Sadly this victim was known to several his close friends in Medellín. Of note -- all of the men are believed to have "met" the killer through hookup Apps -- but there are inconsistencies as to which App was used. Food for thought.

Your best bet and likely only option in Pattaya will be Boyz Boyz Boyz in Boyztown, but expect a lot of tattoos ( and screaming women ). If tattoos were not a problem for you, the rough trade at Nice Boys (Sunee) might be an option. Jomtien has predominantly twinks, most of which are Lao & Khmer, and most have darker tans. They are not rich Bangkok boys! There are exceptions, but very few, and even then they wouldn't be what you are looking for. The only other thing I can think of, if you don't mind a late night, is go to volleyball (Dongtan Beach) at about 2am. There are usually a few hundreds boys there. Many are available. Dragon Man Club has what you are looking for, but I have no idea how that place operates. Not sure you can off the guys, buy maybe? Anyway, good luck and have fun! If nothing else, Pattaya is a great place to visit.

No. There hasn't been any serious flooding. It's been mostly dry for a while now.

I just returned from a week in PV and thought I'd do a quick report. Disclaimer - some of you might find it boring. I only had sex once and had one happy ending massage, but I'm providing information on prices, etc, for those considering a trip. As soon as I arrived, I started checking out my options on Grindr. It's pretty obvious who is available for money - disponibile, massage or some variation of that on their profile - often I'd tap a guy and if he responded, we'd start a conversation. Going rate for most guys was 2,000-2,500 MXP, which I thought was a bit steep compared to what I remember pre-Covid. The guys were mostly Colombian/Venezuelan. One local Mexican guy quoted me 800 pesos, which is more what I remember from my last trip. (Exchange rate is about 20 pesos: 1USD) I wasn't in a hurry, so I waited a few days before trying out one cute Colombian guy with years of photos on Instagram. He asked for 2,000 pesos. Sex was ok, and he was a little older than he appeared in his photos, but still hot. I tried Hammam massage as recommended by a few members here. I'd booked a massage for the day after my arrival that included body scrub and Vichy shower. There was no hot water, so I only got a massage (the hot water came back in time for me to shower afterwards). Massage only was 960 pesos. The masseuse directed my hand to his crotch towards the end and let me play with his hard cock, but no happy ending. Looking around for other places for massage, I found a spa called Acqua Spa for men. Years ago I went there when it was a gym. I booked a massage for 1,000 pesos. Absolutely legit, no extra, but very good massage and really nice place. They offer other services such as mani/pedi, facials, etc. I went back on my last day for a facial. 2,000 pesos for anti-aging facial. I know these prices aren't cheap, but they are much less than what I'd pay in the states. I had to check out of my Airbnb at noon, but my flight was late in the day, so I'd arranged another massage at Hammam - what I had originally scheduled - for the afternoon to kill some time before going to the airport. This time there was nothing remotely sexual. I'd decided I wasn't going to try and would just wait to see if he offered. It was fine. Had a body scrub, vichy shower and great massage - a little over 2,000 pesos. So far, pretty boring, right? To be honest, when I got there, I was tired and it was hot, and Grindr wasn't doing it for me. The one guy I hired satisfied me enough that I didn't feel the need to arrange anything else and decided to focus instead on pampering myself with these spa treatments and enjoying the good food rather than spending my money on guys who weren't really appealing to me. However, there was one guy on Grindr who contacted me and offered a massage for 1,000 pesos at his place. He sent photos of his studio, business card and a photo of a nice looking thick cock. He'd contacted me on previous trips and I never went because I was having better luck. This time I decided to give him a try. His name was Freddy. He was older than he appeared on his Grindr profile and his cock did not seem as big as the photo he sent, however, he gave me a great massage. He definitely knew what he was doing and seemed to be working very intuitively, whereas the other guys were more mechanical (but still good) in their approach. He let me suck his cock and brought me to release at the end. I gave him 1,500 and will definitely go back to him, though maybe just for massage. Overall, it was a great trip - I got 4 massages a pedicure and a facial and ate some great food. Didn't play as much with the boys as I have in the past, but they were available if you were willing to work for it (I was not). Happy to answer any questions, especially for first-timers. Ask here or PM me.

TomNG, you'll find that many of your questions are covered in a concurrently running thread in this forum:

Cheapest rooms are of the same size in both but for a few dollars more one can have Grand Deluxe in Raya which us spacious indeed. Raya is bit closer to BTS and shopping. Amara looks and feels more upscale. For the same price I'd split my time between both otherwise cheaper option were my choice

Stayed in Amara many times and absolutely no problem with bringing someone back with you. Neither did I have any problem at Raya. You don't have to check in with reception at either location. I found rooms at both hotels comfortable but, as Jimmy Joe pointed out, Amara is much newer property. Rooms and very well appointed and very well maintained. Amara has very good restaurant.

I don’t think that is really it. I think it is just for some reason (and I’ve noticed this with Peter’s posts over the years) he seems to have a massive fondness for the PRC regime - no idea why (shrug)

At @reader's suggestion I joined the Amara Club. The rates in September are about 40% less than August which works well for my September Bangkok visit.

A Rose isn't always a Rose when its a residence and not a hotel

There,s Rose Residence and Rose hotel

No , actually it's 4213.67 .

Me too. Yes, the chart should have said take the Bangkok rate, multiple by 3 for Jupiter, divide that by .2 and then add 900 baht. Once you have that figure, take the square root of that number and add 3,000 baht plus the cost of two dinners at Sunrise Tacos. That is the cost of a long time boy for Jupiter. My apologies for not being clear earlier.

The Wisdom of Solomon could render no more fair levy. However, I have one tiny suggestion: I believe deep kissing should be 999 baht and bar hand job 888 baht. Aside from that it should be posted in bars and clubs throughout the applicable jurisdictions. 😉 Although Jupiter is a celestial destination, it remains accessible only through Soi 4. Consequently it falls within aforementioned jurisdiction. Therefore, above levies apply. There's no need to seek mediation or interpretation from mamasan because the decree rises above their authority in such matters. Mamasans will continue to have authority in more temporal matters (i.e., where you will sit and what waiter gets assigned to your table. Going forward, as the rule decrees, there are no more "regular" rates, only the new "acceptable" rates.

I was a bit antsy last night and went out early for a nice evening. A Thai friend and I went to a local Cigar Bar we like and relaxed a bit after dinner. We weren't really doing anything but killing time before the bars opened. All in all, we hit 4 bars. Fresh Boys - there were about 25 boys there, mostly twinks, cute guys and mostly thin. The drinks were 350 baht each. Hot Male - there were about 20 boys there, mostly well built manly men. Drinks were 400 baht each. Dream Boys - there were about 30 boys there with a mix of twinks (few) and more well built boys. Drinks were 450 each. New Twilight - less boys for sure than the others but the place is beautiful and I'll go back just to support it. Drinks were 350 each. We had someone over for a drink and a nice chat. The waiters were friendly and several guys I know from years gone by were there. Common - Music too loud in EVERY bar. Hard to hear what anyone said to me. Result - met a guy from Grindr at end of the night and a boy from the soi near Tawan that was massage boy locally. Took both home for a massage and sex. The massage boy was a real treat and someone I'll see again. The Grindr lad was totally excellent with me but not so much with the other lad. Both tipped well and on their way home by 1AM. I'm old and it was a late night but with the liveliness of Soi 4 and the bars filling up, it is now time for all to stop putting off trips to Thailand. You will find what you want here. You may have to go to a few bars to get it, but you will find a bit of heaven if you look.

Sure, I have a doctor in NYC that is 200 for a visit and the escorts are 300 for a short time. I use the Whopper as a means. You can buy a Whopper in USA and other places. For an escort in the USA, you would never tip the cost of a Whopper for service but some in Thailand try this. In Thailand Whopper meal cost 219 Thai baht. So, the cost of a short time is about 10 Whoppers (using 2,000) In USA, the Whopper meal cost is 6.50 USA. So, the cost of a short time is about 31 Whoppers (200 USD, even though most in bigger cities charge more). Yeah, Yeah, I know cost of living, etc. But, IMHO, tipping someone the cost of a meal at Burger King for a blow job is insufficient. Perhaps, cruel even. This thread has been fascinating and I think a good debate among many to see different views. I expect more see my view in Bangkok than in Pattaya. But, maybe no one does and that is OK. We all have different ways of tipping and taking care of the people who take care of us. As @floridarob pointed out, I may gift too many motorcycles to guys that are good to me and I have never felt guilty with that. I have also never tipped the cost of a Whopper for a sexual service and I have felt guilty for that. I have one long term boyfriend who I have gifted 10 motorbikes, two cars, and more. And, I still feel that he has not gotten the full amount he deserves for his kindness to me over the years. Hell, today I'll be taking him for a Whopper for sure. Thank you all for your various points of view. I would buy each of you a Whopper but I'm afraid you would feel the need to put out and I don't do over 40s.

+1 Totally agree. I think that some believe that a boy getting a blow job should be fun for him. It is not. It is work. There is a discrepancy in income and for this service, 1,000 is extremely fair. Let's not kid ourselves into think they love sex with old men. It is a job and one that should be well rewarded.

Glad to see Mac is busy. I thought he was a really nice guy. I hope to be back in Late September, EVA willing, and will book well in advance!

once at BBB guy was so persistent asking for tip that it was annoying so I threw 10 baht coin into his undies, the he laughed and gave away

This could have been a very cool, atmospheric article, yet in my view it fails to accomplish that. I, too, read the Book "Bangkok Days" and have to agree with Christian in not having liked it. Not for the factual errors which I neither noticed nor would have cared about, but for failing to achieve what forrestreid said the purpose was: "what he was trying to get at was the SOUL of Bangkok". The fictional series "Bangkok Eight" by John Burdett (5 books) does a WAY better job at that. Both the book and the article are incoherent gibberish that pretends to try to capture soul and atmosphere by overusing weird adjectives. There is no theme, no story, no leitmotiv, no nothing. Thus, both left me wondering: what, exactly, is it that he wants to tell me here? The article fares slightly better in the second half, but still I fail to see the point. But thanks to forrestreid for sharing anyway!

Or maybe it could get dark down there Or maybe car motors not powerful enough for upgrade. Or maybe cars could run out of gas. Or maybe they'll be a leak. Or maybe drivers will be too frightened to use it. Or maybe they sky will fall and break it. 😗