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Somehow my main takeaway from your post is that next time I should book a hotel in the vicinity of a campus

I guess it might depend somewhat on which of the "charms" you were looking to try. But Bangkok is a good bet. It's chaotic and can be crazy but there is plenty to do. Communication is fairly easy. The tourism infrastructure is well-developed. Thanksgiving time is getting to be the nicest weather. For a first time visitor I think Thailand is typically the best option.

@Olddaddy we applaud you for putting your fears out here on the board, and obviously it has struck a chord with a lot of people here, which should make you feel good about what you’re going through right now. Being envious of other people having more than you is natural and a common experience. Someone will always be richer, be more good looking, be younger, have more energy, than you will ever be. Your main concern, that you are older and slower that you used to be, is just a fact of life, and something that we do not have any control over. So you can be envious of others that still have their youth and energy, or you can use envy as a motivation for you to focus on the things that YOU can control, be it inviting a cute guy to have pizza with you, or discover a place in Bangkok you’ve never seen before, to mix things up. And have you thought of maybe that others are envious of you too? Having the resources, and the time, to spend 7 straight weeks in the Greatest CIty on Earth™ is no small feat. You have probably worked your darndest all your life to get to this point, and that is something to be proud of. I’m pretty sure most of us here on the board are envious of you for having the means and the courage to go on a vacation this long (I know I am). And don’t forget, this is YOUR vacation. You set your own rules. If you want to eat pizza alone every night after a night in the town, then that’s great! If it makes you happy. The pressures and expectations you have of your own energy levels and youth are all from you, and no one else has the right, nor the capability, of telling you how you should spend your vacation. Finally, I am glad you are letting yourself feel these “negative” feelings, and being honest about how it affects you, and even putting yourself out there, out here on the board, by reaching out to like minded people such as us. I feel that life is better if there is a balance. Too much of a good thing really is too much, and that includes sex. Be glad that you can fuck all those pretty things once in while, while allowing yourself the time to convalesce, and regains both your strength physically, and your desires mentally, for another round or three. I love this graphic: because it shows that balance is ultimately what you should strive for. You will have your ups, and your inevitable downs (like what you’re going through now), but no matter what happens, make sure that you enjoy yourself, because that’s the whole point right?

With Congress Leader Nancy Pelosi seemingly determined to lead some of her flock on a visit to Taiwan despite the ire of the Beijing leadership, the US is once again misreading the signals and leading the USA into somewhat uncharted waters. Whereas the USA supported Chiang Kai-shek's often brutal dictatorship in Taiwan after he lost the war with Mao, it was purely for political reasons - precisely the same reason they supported the murdering, thieving Marcos in The Philippines. For well over a year the corriders in Washington rang out with the refrain, "Who lost China?" The thought of a second huge communist nation in the world was too much for the power brokers to accept. Many willingly believed in Chiang's boast that his refuge in Taiwan was merely temporary and he would soon return to defeat Mao and rule China again. Nixon's 1971 handshake with Mao in Beijing was the start of a major realigment in US realpolitik in the region. Soon, Taiwan was all but off the radar. US adopted a one-China policy which has remained firmly in place virtually since then. This is backed up by the Taiwan Relations Act, three joint US-China Communiques and six formal written Assurances. The US Department of State webpage makes it clear that US policy "opposes any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence" although it adds "we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means." With China's National People's Congress meeting later this year, with President Xi hoping that his cronies will give him another 5 years in power, Taiwan has yet again become very much a hot button issue. In another thread elsewhere, I have detailed the wartime agreements made at Cairo and ratified at Potsdam in and after World War II that the Japanese would return all their colonial possessions to the countries from which they were stolen. As China had ruled Taiwan for some 250 years, naturally Taiwan was returned to China. But after China soon became communist, the USA did everything in its power to nullify those earlier Agreements, even conniving with the Japanese at the San Francisco Peace conference to change the return of Taiwan to China to the Republic of China. This has resulted in a field-day for international lawyers, but by far the majority accept and agree that the USA's tinkering isn't worth the paper it is printed on. But it did not all start with Taiwan. From before World War II US politicians were to get Asia so wrong for decades with often disastrous consequences. First Pearl Harbour. The staunchly isolationist US had cracked Japan's diplomatic codes, it had long known Japan was preparing for war and aware that a task force had sailed from Japan on November 26. In an era without satellites it just assumed it was heading to the Philippines and the oilfields in Indonesia. Yet The Philippines was only days away from Japan and no attack had taken place. The base in Hawaii was not put on any form of alert. Being a Sunday, many of its forces on the base were stood down. We know the result. Then Korea. Aware that Russia had taken over North Korea, when the US Secretary of State Dean Acheson publicly announced the US strategic Defence Perimeter in January 1950, the US was much more focussed on possible Soviet advances in Europe. So when Acheson forgot about Korea and left it out of his policy announcement, no one in Washington even thought about it. But the Russians certainly noticed it So in June they helped the North Korean regime to invade the South. As a History Channel series presently being shown in Thailand makes clear, the US and its allies were completely unprepared for war. Tactically General McArthur made huge mistakes. They were also totally unprepared for a Korean winter and Chinese participation, the more so when that country had no heavy weapons. Having turned around the initial attack and advanced into the North as far as the Yalu River marking the border with China, the retreat of US and UN forces that followed became a national humiliation. General McArthur, who had asked for approval to use nuclear weapons on China, was finally relieved of his command and replaced by General Ridgeway. Eventually, after huge personnel losses and tens of thousands suffering from frostbite, after 3 often senseless years the status quo was restored at the 38th parallel. Vietnam and Indo-China was a similar blunder. The USA totally failed to understand that Ho Chi Minh was in essence a nationalist. He had written to both Roosevelt and Truman begging them not to allow the French to return to their former East Asian colonies. It seems that neither replied. The US was staunchly anti-colonial and forced some of its allies to start a decolononisation programme soon afer the War. The French leader Charles de Gaulle refused. Allegedly he informed Truman that he would rather have Soviet troops march through France to the Atlantic than give up Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. It was a bluff, but it worked. So the French returned to their murderous rule in Indo-China. Ho was far from a saint and his people in the north suffered considerably. But he and his excellent General Giap ahd learned from the Chinese tactics in Korea. They lured the French into an open area surrounded by hills. The French defeat at DIen Bien Phu was a total disaster for de Gaulle and the end of French occupation. But Eisenhower and then Kennedy believed the US had a duty to protect democracy in the south just as they had propped up the murderous Syngman Rhee in Seoul, despite South Korea's democracy being a sham. That south Vietnam had a hugely corrupt government and that few in the south had much faith in it meant nothing in Washington. It even had the CIA help engineer a coup to get rid of and murder one Prime Minister and replace him with another rifdiculous man as President, General Ky. As Max Hastings says in his excellent relatively new history of that war, "Ky was a slick dandy, with a pencil-thin moustache; he affected a custom-made black flight suit and impressive procession of wives and girlfriends. He was publicly affable, fluent, enthusiastic about all things American but the taste of Coca-Cola - and as remote as a Martian from the Vietnamese people." Even before then, the CIA had secretly and illegaly - as it was without Congressional approval - created what was effectively the world's largest airport in the jungle in northern Laos. Later came the secret and similarly illegal intrusion into Cambodia which was to so destabilise that impoverished country that it led directly to the rise to power of the Khmer Rouge. And we know what then happened. China now, though, is very different from the postwar period. Under Xi it has become more hardline, it has broken international law in Hong Kong and got away with it, and the world seems to pay little attention to the disastrous policy in Xinjiang Province with the Uighurs. Xi's re-election bid is not certain and he has to have a considerable number of enemies in Beijing. He needs to go into that Congress with the air of a strong leader. Pelosi's trip threatens at this delicate time to awaken the dragon. There is absolutely no need for her to go at this time. The US has a lot of military power in the South China Sea. If there is any degree of misunderstanding, could this be yet another US disaster in the making in the region? I would not bet against it!

On Wednesday I had arranged to meet a guy I have been following on IG. He would arrive early afternoon so plenty of time to have breakfast and sort myself out for the day. May be known to others already, a couple of tips I meant to share as I have been using a MasterCard Debit Card. Firstly when asked by a cashier whether credit or debit always say credit or your payment is not processed. Bank Santander ATMs work for my card where as this is not the case in other banks I have tried to use. IG guy arrived at my hotel spot on time and wow, he looked even hotter than in his photos. Only to say I enjoyed a great time with him. He was friendly, calm and very willing to show off his hard muscles. After working up an appetite we headed out for a late lunch before going our separate ways. Him to meet his friends on the beach at Ipanema. Me to relax before heading out to 202. The day had already proved excellent so wondered how 202 on a Wednesday would hold up, being one of its regular busy nights after a quieter than expected Monday. When I arrived at 202 it was like all had returned to normal in Rio, the place was busy and even better a great selection of guys from different backgrounds, from twinks to muscle. I relaxed with a beer and took my time, may be too long. One guy I was interested in I caught as he was about to leave but will see him another day at 117. The show was coming and was beginning to think I had left it to late after seeing a number of guys leave for the night. Then suddenly a hot athletic tall 20 yo turns up. From my experience it is unusual but occasionally you get a hot guy turn up late into the evening. Anyhow we got chatting and it was not long before he was proving his kissing skills and I was holding his tight firm body. The time I had with him was amazing. Different to the time with IG guy earlier in the day but equally great. What a fantastic day Wednesday had turned out to be, two amazing guys and experiences. My faith in Rio restored I finished my night and headed back to my hotel.

Having met @Latbear4blk a few year ago, and if his situation hasn’t changed, I’d say that his time is indeed limited to these two weeks. I’ve actually done week-long Thailand trip all the time back in the day. I’d leave Thursday night from California and get to Thailand early Saturday morning, when I then do an early (pre-arranged) early check in with the hotel (usually Crowne Plaza), and then sleep off the flight till 8 PM, then after a great shower, have dinner and then hit the bars at 9 PM, for the shows at 10:30 PM, and I’ll have a boy with me at midnight, and actually taking advantage of the still being in the USA time zone that I will have the energy to fuck all night. Indeed, jet lag is a bitch, but it doesn’t hit me till after lunch, so I’d usually book my tours and sightseeings at 8 AM or earlier if possible. This way, I can tire myself enough to actually sleep in the afternoon, and I will have skipped the heat that usually gets more intense later in the day. Lather, rinse, repeat, until I am adjusted to the time zone. That is usually Tuesday, Wednesday time, when I can then do full-day tours, and with boy bars usually less populated on weekdays, I can opt to skip or spend time with a long time boy. Then when the weekends hits again, I’ll try to get back to the American time zone by sleeping in the afternoon again and hitting nightlife till the wee hours of the morning. And at the night before my flight back to California, I usually don’t sleep, and just spend my few remaining baht to enjoy my threesome/foursome/my house-ful of boys till my morning flight back on Sunday beckons. The flight is usually 13+ Hours back, so I can make my adjustments then, and then I’ll arrive early to late afternoon Sunday in California, where the wear and tear of travel catches up to me, but I force myself to sleep no earlier than 8 PM so I can adjust quicker. @Latbear4blk either time window is great and I think you’ll be getting to Thailand with other gringos with similar times off, and that it’ll make your trip better. I doubt it, but if your Spring Break runs through April 13, I’d suggest going during Spring Break to spend Songkran in Bangkok, since Songkran is amazing and you will need to experience it at least once in your life. I know some here hate being doused with water in inoppurtune times, but knowing you, water is your thing and you will absolutely love it! I’d pick Bangkok as your first time city. There is enough to do culturally and boy bar wise to help you get introduced to how Thailand does Mongering. You will find that the overall cost to rent boys here will be a little bit higher than what you’re used to, but that will be offset by everything else being cheaper (food, accommodations, transpo etc). Either way, you won’t know you if you will like it until you try it. And I have a feeling that you will! P.S. And no, I am not a paid spokesperson for TaT lol.

I don't think we are ever too old for sexual activity, although stamina may be reduced. I'm older than @Olddaddy and in Thailand I have my long time partner with me. Out of the country, though, I am let off the leash! A few years ago on a trip to Taipei when I was several years older than @Olddaddyis now, I relied on the apps. One day I had unusually set up two hook ups - one at lunchtime and the other late afternoon. Then just after breakfast a guy sent me a message. He worked nearby and would be going out soon to collect something for his company. Could we meet? I basically said I was busy, but he looked cute and pressed hard - so what was I supposed to do? He came, we met for a quick coffee in the lobby, he was indeed cute and - well, the next 45 minutes were extremely enjoyable. The only problem with 3 guys in one day is that I twice had to send out for dry towels! No doubt housekeeping was well aware of the reason! As I was relaxing after my last scheduled encounter, oops - it happened again. An art student had just finished a late class (I usually stay close to a university) and clicked on me. Could he see me before he went home? Although tired, he looked even more cute than my earlier encounters, and so I said ok but added I'd had a tiring day. He looked gorgeous both clothed and naked on the bed. He was also like a tiger and I had once again to work hard. But what a session! After he left, I went down to the bar for a stiff drink before heading back for a long sleep. All the boys were only out for sex. All seemed to enjoy being with much older westerners. As in the case of most on the apps in Taipei, none was a money boy. 4 is the most ever in one day and I have never come close to repeating it. One a day now is perfect for me. But what a day! What a memory!

Day 7.5: The Dreamers You know you’re getting old when you start reminiscing about the old days. And for me the old days were way back in… 2014. OK, I know that that’s not even 10 years ago, but that’s the year I first started going to Bangkok and started to darken the doors of its illustrious boy bars. Back then, Soi Twilight was in full swing (at least from what I saw), Tawan and Jupiter were both off-Soi choices I would visit, and Moonlight didn’t even exist yet. And back then, we didn’t need a New Twilight, as the old one was more than enough. Dream Boy on Soi Twilight was a standout for me. That neon sign alone was iconic. This was my impression of it way back in 2016: It seemed to be always full on weekends. The touts may have something to do with it, as they were ever present in the Soi, literally pulling indecisive people from the street to plop them onto DreamBoy’s seats. Inside, I’ve always thought old DreamBoy’s layout was the most ideal for optimal viewing of what was going onstage. Since the setup was “arena theater”-style, the audience almost did not have a bad viewing angle, and the shows were optimized for viewing of this kind of stage. But of course the greatest of structures is nothing if the main attraction is inferior. The fact that there was great variety in the boys here, often in skimpy white briefs, and with the seating the way it was, you can be up close and personal with balls in your face. I’ve spent so many nights searching for Mister Right Now in this bar. Oh the memories. --- As Tiago and I make our way to the gay area of Patpong 2, I only had to show my face to my usual mamasan at Dream Boy to be automatically led to the premises of the club. The club was almost full on a Saturday night, but miraculously there were nice seating close to where most the staff were sitting, with the mamasan shooing the staff currently sitting so we can claim the seat. Regular coke and rum and coke – it was fine, not too strong or weak. We got in just in time for a last glimpse of the boys on offer and before the coyotes terrorized the stage. There was a lot of boys, maybe 40, and a great variety as well, as in the old days. There were twinks, and hunks, and everything else in between. They were in jeans, which was less ideal, but beggars can’t be choosers. I see a few boys I’ve offed in the past, which is always a comfort knowing that they have toughed it out through the pandemic and able to continue with this life. There was a tall hunk (handsome, white skin, abs) who was model-like and was even better looking than any of the Moonlight or Jupiter boys. He got snapped up very quickly by a rotund Asian guy up front. The coyotes came, which was fine. “All girls,” Tiago said, as he thought the dancers were to feminine acting for his taste. I didn’t mind them, but no one was attractive to me. I’ve always thought the big column in the middle was an unfortunate fact in the club. It's probably load-bearing, so they can't do anything about it, but still, it's fairly awkward to have it obscuring the center of the stage. Though, it was ingenious for them to put a platform around the column so that it can be used for numbers. But boys and other numbers who end up behind the column would be unseen, and depending on where you were seated, you would miss some of the action if the column obscured your angled view. Far cry from the seating of the Twilight days, but this is what we have now. The drag queens were actually pretty good. Gone was the slapstick skits that were a trademark before, but now they just have the traditional lip-syncing goddesses that are staples of clubs all over. The numbers in general were pretty slick and choreographed, like it was before. I recognized the star of Dream Boy, still here after all this year, maybe looking a little older, but still hot as before, dancing his heart out like his life depended on it. I used to dream about how it was to off him, now, not so much. How my tastes have changed. Probably the highlight of the night, and possibly because Tiago was so entertained by it, was the fuck show. I recognize the bottom and I’ve seen him do this a thousand times before, but the top was new to me, and very handsome and had a good dick for topping. The fuck show was always more spectacle than erotic for me, and I am impressed by the dexterity needed to pull off some of the moves. It was all impeccably choreographed, fairly acrobatic, and Tiago is amazed that after all this impressive acrobatics, the cock doesn’t seem to leave the asshole at any point of the number. The pair then makes their rounds around the room, searching for tips. When the fucking pair gets to us, Tiago implores me to get out some baht as tip. 100 baht. When the boys are back onstage, it was time for me to choose if there was anyone to off tonight. There were a few possibilities, and one old off who, once he recognized me, tried to get my attention all night. I then feel Tiago’s head on my shoulder, as he yawned. I laughed. I asked him was he sleepy. He said he was just yawning. I asked him if anyone onstage was to his liking. He took a look, and then put his head on my shoulder again. “Up to you,” he says in Portuguese, which gave me a little chuckle. "Up to you," in Portuguese lands differently for me. “What do you want to do?” I ask him. He sits up at attention, and smiles his million watt smile. “I want ice cream!” he says. I laugh. That actually sounded better than the smorgasbord that was before us. Oh no, I have changed as well. I do not feel the same sense of urgency of offing, and fucking as I have before. Or maybe because I’ve cum three times today already, twice with Tiago, and once with the Tawan twosome, so maybe I deserve this ice cream. Overall, this club holds a lot of promise. The premises were nice, the numbers were entertaining, and the boys great looking. I'll put a pin on this club for now, and will take advantage of its delights at a future date. We then go to the famous 7 Eleven at CP Tower across Silom Soi 4, where a lot of gay cruising happens. Tonight was no different, as some young Bangkok-ians were checking Tiago out. But we were there for ice cream. And after two Magnum chocolate ice cream bars later, we walk back to the apartment. No Dream Boy for me tonight, as the one with me is very very real. My last day, next post…

Stay in and have a quiet night!! Seriously. If I have been there a few months I have usually had enough by the time I go home. It’s a long journey to the UK and I don’t need to start it knackered! I used to visit BKK on my way home from Pattaya but have decided it’s too much hassle moving hotels etc en route home. Pattaya is only a little over an hour in a taxi to the airport. If I want to go to Bangkok I now usually do it on the way to Pattaya, or as a side visit whilst in Pattaya.

For someone who turns 58 today to refer to himself as "old" makes me wonder what he will think when he hits 70. Happy birthday @Olddaddy

I am sure I have mentioned it before I have used a very good tour guide on Bali. He is a gay guy in his 40,s, fluent in English and French who can arrange activities from serious hiking to cultural trips (I was with my partner and we were not interested in sexual meet ups) @Latbear4blkIf you are interested pm me and I can give you contact details.

Au contraire, he potentially matches up with those presenting angelic emoticons and may be due for some communion … and now this is derailing a thread, beatch. FullSizeRender.MOV

Sorry Riobard but you've lost me there! At home I usually have a guy over for sex twice a week. We have sex the night he arrives and the next day before he leaves. He spends the second day with me and tends to leave after dinner. So that's 4 times a week - quite a lot less than when I was younger. Although as we flip-flop, I guess that could be considered 8 times! (But I only cum once per session) I travel for 2 reasons - for sightseeing and for sex. I don't combine the two unless I'm visiting a country for the first time. I'm interested in medieval Japanese history, which was a compulsory subject at school, and also medieval European history. So this knowledge is put to great use when I travel to those destinations. But these days Thailand is for sex only, as I have done the sightseeing bit many times. And because I've gone to the trouble of making the trip I want to have as much sex as possible during my holiday with as many hot, handsome and hung guys as possible. But twice a day is enough for me, and I find myself slowing down as the days pass so that after about 2 weeks I find it a little difficult to get hard and maintain an erection. Basically, I just run out of puff. That's when I know it's time to come home. Also, towards the end of my trip I tend to bottom more, even if I'm with a guy who I can top. I don't visit the bars in Pattaya these days as I have a regular guy there. In Bangkok I have sex every afternoon with my regular and find another partner for the evening. So there's my 2 times a day. If I find another guy later in the evening I may bottom for him but I don't cum. So technically, that's 3 times. Although I've slowed down compared with my younger days, my sex drive over the last decade or so has not declined any further. Fingers crossed I can maintain my libido for many more years to come,

I'll never get on the back of a motorcycle. Even a tuk-tuk scares me.

Sunday was a relaxing day, taking it easy after all the travelling. The neighbourhood was mostly closed and quiet with just one or two shops open. I met a young guy on Grindr for some midday fun. Was just as his photos when he arrived with an athletic body and a great kisser. Learn’t he had only been in SP for a short while and I was the second foreigner he was meeting. Late afternoon I headed to Lagoa, the place was busy when I arrived. Just like the previous evening except it was karaoke. The main bar area was packed, while the upper floors were quieter not due to be busier until later in the evening. The bar on the upper floor did not open until 18:00, and this area was generally a little quieter than the night before. Although I am enjoying this upper floor space to relax and escape the karaoke. While keeping an eye out for my black athlete from the night before it was noticeable there were many more boys having arrived earlier. Same kind of selection of boys as Saturday just more of them. A hot black muscular guy caught my eye, as expected he was working hard and in demand as he walked about with purpose so could not catch his eye. In the meantime being only my second visit and having arrived earlier was able to figure the layout and different spaces across the floors. Good to know you can get from the bottom floor to the upper bar without having to go through the main bar. Plus get to pass-by more boys who are working to attract business. The upper bar was open by now so hung out there with a beer for a while, until fortunately the previous hot guy came by and was able to chat with him. We fixed the deal and went to a cabin. An amazing experience, his body was so hard and a deep kisser. This is why I had missed Brazil so much. The guy knew his business and you could see why he was in demand. The place was certainly just as busy as Saturday, then the athlete from the night before arrived and had time with him. Guess knowing me from our previous session he was much more relaxed this time and the time was fun and easy. I decided to hang around a while longer. Looks like they will still look after your suitcase if your flying later that night as saw a customer grab his bag from the office before heading out. Even when I decided to call it a night, while there were boys leaving noticed still one or two hot arrivals. Guess the place was going to be busy for a while. Lagoa was a great start to my trip, and good to know it was busy with a great selection of guys. Can’t wait to visit again.

I had a chance to visit many Asian countries before pandemic. The purpose of the visit is always touristic but of course as the sun goes down the urge comes to find some sex too :) I usually stay only couple days in the same place, so getting paid sex is a fast and good alternative vs. looking for free opportunities on the apps. Here is my experience mostly from pre-covid times. My favorite places are not where sex is 4pay but where free stuff still comes easy and plenty. Just to understand my experience : I am in my early 50ths, bald head, white, average looking guy whit gym fit body doing excersize about 4 times a week. -Thailand: we all know on this forum that everything is available for pay, but I am not soo lucky with free encounters. The apps bring few Hi, how are you boys but they never really develop into a sexual fun activity and as I said I usually move on quickly to the next place. Indonesia: I have to separate Bali and the rest of the country as my experience was really different due to culture and religion. Bali: became my favorite place during my travel. It was about 10 years ago when first time entered the island. I had the best time getting a handsome driver on the app. He became my daily tour guide, party friend and fuck buddy. Never asked me to pay him, of course fuel, food and drinks were on me. We were doing some crazy fun together including hunting for a 3rd one on Kuta beach in the night or he offered his virgin ass to make it up for me. He dropped me on the aiport on the last day and I never saw him again, lost contact when I left my phone in a taxi next year. I come back to the island many times, locals and plenty gays from other part of Indonesia (freedom and escaping from their family pressure to get married) are all friendly, getting fun nights like a guy invited me to a villa for naked swimming and sex in the pool, or model looking guy wanted me to stay with him because my bald head was making him horny all the time. No wonder the island is on the top of my list. Jakarta (rest of Indonesia): Nothing much touristic in Jakarta but as a huge city, plenty on offer. I never had so many boys contacted me looking for daddy experience. Apps are full of massage boys and escorts but free offers coming easy as well. I just returned from Thailand - Jakarta last month. I could not get a 3some in Thailand (not even for pay, I know you are probably rolling your eyes, ha ha ha) but my two days in Jakarta was enough to get a twink and a bear guy with scary thick dick to come and play with me on the first day, and a handsome police man who was eager to stay all day in my hotel room next day. Hong Kong: no good luck there, small plays in saunas but just like the city with expensive hotels the escorts were coming with the price tag too. Philippines: Manila is a huge city, had some good and bad experience there. Run into the biggest scam after a party night when I was offered 4 hands massage on the streets of Malate's gay bar areas. They took me to a short time hotel and during the massage they offered extras, gladly accepted not knowing one of the boy was in contact with corrupt policemen and taking evidence to blackmail me. To keep the story short I had to collect all my money from my hotel room to pay them. Now the good ones, I have few gay friends in Manila, they introduced me to straight boys hunting on the streets. Certain areas of the city the boys are hanging around in the night and as we walked by the negotiation started. Then I had a chance to choose any boys I wanted. My friends knew short stay cheap hotels and remember it was around 5 usd for the boys and I was told not to pay more to keep the local business running. Probably it was the cheapest sex I ever paid for and I was gladly walking around the streets every night. I visited other parts of the country: Puerto Galeria and Palawan were fun places too. The Saturday night in PG beach was a night to remember, sucked a boy at the end of the beach, shagged with a boy in one of the restaurant toilet, had a lady boy took me to his room and on the way back to my hotel picked up a handsome guy who did not have transportation to go home. Of course, I insisted to sleep next to me, not on the floor and I could not fall in sleep till I made him come. All this action was in one night and it was in the low season. Cambodia: I visited only once and I was more excited about seing Angkor Wat and around the capital but those Khmer guys are so sexsy. Massage was cheap in Siem Riap and met few boys, handsome dark skin, sexy body and facial hair my weak points. No wonder, I tent to pick Cambodian boys in Bangkok Boy Bars. Vietnam: I had a guy was crazy for nipples and keep biting them for days till they become so sensitive that just putting on a Tshirt was a pain, with pleasure of course. But somehow Vietnamese boys are not driving me crazy. Their face is more, how to say: softer. I am missing that manly look I can find in other asian countries. I have few other places could mention but my story getting too long. The bottom line is (to go back to the original post) that different places will give you different experience. While gay4pay is available everywhere I am more happy to visit Indonesia and Cambodia because of the free encounters. Philippines are cheap too but got to be more carefull. ...I learned one thing from my last visit in Bangkok, we are not the same. What works for me, maybe will not work for you. Visit as many places as possible, experience the local cultures and soak in the boys, you will find your place to be happy the most. I was hoping to repeat Vinapu's legendary offs but as I mentioned I even failed to organize one 3some (not giving up, reading all the experience from other forum members will help me to succeed next time lol). Sorry If my story was dragging for too long. First time I actually shared such things and hope it was helpful for forum.

Brazil would be 25% less than in those times now..... I'm going to Bogota next month, I haven't been there in ages. CUN-BOG 195usd r/t, industry rates at Hiltons and a stop on the way back in Panama, Waldorf Astoria 😵 Like Namazu said, airfare depends on where you are originating and carries a bulk of the expense generally.....but travel is fun (or at least it used to be). I don't keep charts, I barely remember where I've been (I'm not Asian, btw)......but my "go to" places are: #1 all around- Brazil= Amazing sex, fun guys, a little danger Avg cost for a guy=$36usd, plus entry fee and drinks if you go to a sauna...online is the same price. #2 Mexico= I live here, brown skin, lot's of fun, generally everyone turns somewhat gay when drinking- depending on what types of guys and what city will vary from free-$75usd...My average, when paying is $25usd. Mexico is a good sized country and lots of different cities to choose from ...Cancun being my least favorite because of the gringo tourism and tourist scams that go along with that. #3Thailand= There is enough info here to know what it's all about Indonesia= Bali, lot's of semi-openly gays- Because of religion, most guys are circumcized - much like Morocco or Egypt or Turkey...different being with an Asian or latin looking guy that is cut....I've been to Jakarta and Bali, is like NYC vs Miami or Mexico City vs Cancun or Bkk vs Pattaya....Jakarta is a big city not much to see but LOTS of people Bali is used to tourism, lots of Aussies go there and the hook ups are on apps or massage shops....average price was $25-30usd Cuba= Use to be lots of hot guys that were into pleasing....not so much anymore, but are diamonds in the rough sometimes- All street cruising and pick up points $20usd is the standard, I've seen some go as low as $5 and some asking $50....things are not good there right now, nothing on the shelves- I was going to go there instead of Colombia/Panama but changed my mind based on the ground reports. I've been all through Central America and no organized or set places/prices to really go by....just like spinning a wheel on the Grindr roulette. Dominican Republic= Haven't been there in ages, but in the Latin America forum there is info- Fares are too crazy from Mexico to there, but if I was on the east coast with cheap fares, I'd go back easily..... Colombia= I've been to several places, but not for awhile....good info in Latin America forum and going rates seem to be $25-40 usd Panama= some BEAUTIFUL guys....gay clubs seem to be underground still , but I've had AMAZING sex there, just finding it is not as easy as the other places listed here...prices seem to be about $50-$75 Those are the places I go to , for this type of stuff. I've been to many other places in the world...but those are the ones I return to....no wonder I don't write trip reports, thoughts run through my head like squirrels.

On my flight to SP. First time back to Brazil since new year of 2020. Plan is to go to Lagoa tonight. Will be my first time to the new location. Looking forward to a couple of days in SP then the rest of the trip in RJ.

Well for some of you it's only yearly trips ,so If your departing the next morning or next day for your home country,do you do anything unusual or by routine? Do you go out and rage that last night,off several boys and orgy or stay up all night in bars if you have a early morning departure? Those of you who visit Pattaya do you make your last night in Bangkok to be closer to the airport? Anything routinely you do on your last day/ night?

My flights are usually at 7am leaving BKK, so I don't sleep and head to the airport about 5ish.......for some reason, my last night are usually when I find my best off 😵

The cost of paid sex overseas is greatly influenced by airfare and hotel cost. To be cost effective, you most likely will have to fly cheap economy class and stay in a low to mid budget hotel/airbnb.

Apparently according to news reports and a friend I just spoke to it's being very much played down. I looked earlier at the online edition of the Taipei Times. I can see nothing on the news pages but the lead editorial suggests her visit should be shelved. Against that there is an op-ed in which the writer takes the opposite view. But this writer is Dutch and teaches the history of Taiwan at the George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Based in the USA it is perhaps not surprising that he very much spouts the Pelosi line, whereas the editorial is clearly the 'Taiwan view'.

My first thought in response to the opening post was this: To fly halfway around the globe, enduring an 18 - 20 hour flight and a 12-hour time zone difference, for only one week's vacation does not sound like a good cost-benefit equation. I don't know about you, but I have friends who need 3 - 4 days to adjust to the time zone change. Effectively, you're going to be 2 - 4 days short on account of flight time and sleep adjustment time. And then to fly all the way back.... If you can stretch your available time window, it can make a big difference. Other thoughts: 1. I agree with others that (for now) Bangkok is a good introduction to East Asia. In normal (non-Covid) times, I might have suggested Hong Kong or Taipei or even Shanghai, and certainly Bali would be on my shortlist too, but these are not normal times. 2. Culture there certainly is, and there will be customs that, closer to the time, you need to ask about on this forum e.g. long trousers, slip-on shoes, touching, etc. 3. Bangkok is a huge sprawling city with an estimated 10 - 11 million people. Traffic can be bad. Its metro system ('subway" to Americans) is not well developed and some destinations require a long walk (say, 1.5 km in heat) from the nearest station. 4. Because it is a huge sprawling city, you will need to select your hotel location with care. I recommend that you stay in the Silom-Surawong area, where the gay nightlife is. This avoid having to travel a long distance back to your hotel late at night. 5. But there are next to no "traditional" cultural sites in the Silom-Surawong area, so daytime travelling to the main sites cannot be avoided. 6. Forget about nature. Bangkok is one of the most built-up cities. I read somewhere that it has among the lowest ratio of green spaces to paved spaces. If, however, you have an interest in sewer rats, then Bangkok is the place for you. 7. Assuming you do not speak any Asian language, Bangkok will also be an easy introduction to Asia. There are cities that speak more English (e.g. Singapore where English is almost universal) but in the touristy areas, you can get by without having to learn even one word of Thai. 8. Part of culture is the food. You need to know what your tolerance for spiciness is, so that you don't make a huge mistake in ordering. Perhaps you can visit some Thai, Korean or Chinese Sichuan restaurants in your home city and figure out how much you can take. Allow of course, for the fact that in the US these ethnic cuisines would often have adjusted their levels of spiciness to Americans' palate. So what counts as "very spicy" in the US is "medium-low spicy" in Thailand. 9. For me, one of the problematic unknowns when visiting a place I have never been to before is to know the tipping culture (if any). It's quite amusing to me but I have met Americans who are shocked to learn that there are countries where tipping is almost unknown. (Not in the least suggesting that you're one of them, in fact, being on this board, you're probably better travelled than your average compatriot.) But my point is, no two countries have the same tipping culture, and if you wish, a discussion on this board about Thai expectations before you leave home may be useful.

I am interested in sexual meets and night life, not into culture or nature.

I'd give it away to charities while jetting around globe with my posse of hotties. Some people I guess would buy a lot of houses or things, but I'm just not that much into 'stuff'. Though, I would like to stay at a higher class of place than my normal cheap-ass self books!

From Thai PBS World The House committee vetting the Civil Partnership Bill decided today (Wednesday) to amend the bill to make it possible for same-sex couples who are both foreigners to register their partnership in Thailand, instead of one of them having to be a Thai national. Spokesperson for the House scrutiny panel, Thanikarn Pornpongsarote, said that the committee decided to scrap the entire Section 8 of the bill, which stipulates that one of the same-sex couples who are eligible to register their partnership here must be a Thai national. The deletion of the clause means that the door is open for same-sex couples who are both non-Thais to register their union, which can help boost tourism, said Thanikarn. She disclosed that some religious leaders had earlier raised concerns about this bill and observations were also raised by the Council of State, but the House scrutiny committee has made its decision today. The Civil Partnership Bill was proposed by the Ministry of Justice to allow same-sex couples to register their partnerships. The bill also introduces amendments to the Civil and Commercial codes, which will give them almost the same rights as straight couples. The civil partners may adopt children, secure inheritance and engage in the joint management of assets. The bill also includes rules on separations. But the union is still not legally recognised as a marriage.

You can give it to me.

Yes. If you only have one week and this is your first time, you should just go to Bangkok. You will love it.

Agree with @fedssocr. Bangkok is a great first choice - and not just for the nighlife. The temples are magnificent and there is so much else to see in and around the city which is all so hugely different from western cities. I used to adore Bali - but that was decades ago when the tourist invasion had hardly begun. 15 years ago it had changed so much and I felt sadly for the worse. Yet, if you want a totally diffferent experience from Bangkok and other regional cities, I would still recommend a week there. Instead of sticking to Kuta and the hotels in the southern Nusa Dua beach area (although a trip or two to one of the island's beaches is always relaxing), immerse yourself in Balinese life and culture by staying elsewhere. Try to watch a Balinese religious festival, listen to the feint sound of different gamellin orchestras practising as you walk by the rice terraces, see the various forms of Balinese dance including the spectacular kecak dance, visit the temple in the sea at Tanah Lot, watch the sunset from the cliffs near the little temple of Ulu Watu, attend an evening shadow puppet play and just watch as the local Balinese love it, etc.

I don't think so. First, you need to know which part of Manila to find them. If I remember well these were local areas with high rise condominiums where plenty people live in a congested area. The next problem you could face that not all the boys speak English. If one of the boy helps you with the language then you need a place to do it, unless if you are willing to take it back to your hotel room. Lots of road blocks.

He is too hot for me. 😇

thanks for such an honest and informative statement !

I definitely prefer working boys who know what they need to do to make a sale, not shrinking violets that you have to pull teeth to get anything from them. Those Taiwan guys know what sells. They know when to flex their muscles, when they think you need a sample of their strong touch, and will go for the jugular if they deem you are open to it. I just wish there was more of them, and more variety. I will continue to be customer regardless. It’s just one of those things I have to do to when in Bangkok. Sigh, yes I did mix them up, and thanks for catching it and correcting in your reply post. I’m better with actual names so maybe I shouldn’t try to name them as Thing 1 and Thing 2. I could also use their real names, but I know some of yáll are the stralkery type so I won’t go that route. OMG you really really love it there. I must admit this bar is more of an afterthought this trip, having only stayed for the show and not offing anyone. Definitely a revisit when I have the time next trip. In the past, I have also had a favorite guy from DB, and boy was he dreamy for sure. I know, I was in SP in Lagoa when someone asked about you two, as in where were the “um casal”. Gosh Sam, your lesbian sister. You mentioned he was now living closer to you now. Still in touch?

Extended cruising times!

Or maybe 5 guys at the same time? I guess that's less exhausting than have them one after the other?

There's a lot of great advice in the posts above. I think as we get older we come to accept that sex is not necessarily the panacea that it seemed to be even 10-15 years ago. Sometimes less can be more for some of us. I recently spent eight weeks in Bangkok and found myself gradually cutting back my activities. I concentrated on those things that left me with pleasant and lasting memories. For me, the key was whether or not I felt energized by what I was doing. Be forgiving of yourself. Don't think of trip as a contest. And ask yourself what you really want your time away to do for you. The answer may surprise you.

Hello Shonen, Interesting what you wrote. You are the FIRST SIDE person that I have met here in any of the forums. We are a hard to find sub-species within the community. Only recently, Grindr has finally given us our own distinct sexual preference category. For many years now with PlanetRomeo - I have been asking them to also give us the SIDE category - but they continue to be reluctant - another form of discrimination within the community. Oh well, the struggle and fight goes forward. Shonen - thanks for being brave to share your SIDE pleasure. More of us need to come out of the closet in order to feel safe when we sometimes receive ridicule from the people who belong to the 3 traditional categories of Top, Versatile, and Bottom. I believe that there is a need and space to add a 4th category to our traditional set of 3 categories. Dr. Joe Kort's announcement about GRINDR adding SIDE as a new sexual position category SIDE definition and anecdotes

Another interesting thread Olddaddy, especially as I am even older at 68 and I am preparing for a 4 week trip in September, my longest ever. I usually do between 2 and 3 weeks, but now, almost fully retired, I have the opportunity to stay longer and wanted to see how I would cope with a longer stay both financially and physically. I am overweight, but not obese, physically active but no gym slave. I live a celibate life alone at home and drink moderately maybe once a week. Yet get me over to Thailand and I am trying to pretend I am a 20year old again, drinking and partying most nights and shagging at least two or three times a day. And when I first came here over ten years ago I could, and I did. But age is slowly catching up on me and, if I am being honest, I am slowing down. And that manifests itself in my sexual activities; let me explain. I do more threesomes, no seriously! . I am usually one of two 'tops', and although I participate, these days I am personally more of the warm-up act rather than the 'main event', and end up watching as the other top pounds the ass off the hapless twink of the night (usually my boyfriend - he loves it!). I love oil massages and their happy endings, but now it is mostly HJs and BJs (although not always ) and not always to orgasm, but I still love the teasing massage experience, and I love making the boys cum. I can still fit in at least one or two short-times a day, but increasingly I am happy to bottom. The pornstar sessions of yore when I am pounding the ass of a beautiful twink in various positions to a mutually happy conclusion are becoming less and less common each trip. In fact if I can actually cum once a day I am more than happy. But I still absolutely love being with naked, horny, young Thai guys less than half my age even if they don't have to work quite as hard to earn their money as they did a few years ago. And of course it is not just the sex, I am having to learn to moderate my drinking and partying. I try not to start drinking alcohol until after 10pm at night, although I am often still fairly drunk by the time my boyfriend and I make it back to the room, but now its often a case of shower and sleep rather than shower, sex and sleep. But although, as I get older, my holiday activities are slowly evolving, I still have an absolute blast! and look forward to my forthcoming trips with much the same excitement as I did ten years ago.

Don't be. Wrong reaction and wrong emotion. It can happen to anyone. That's your body telling you to give yourself a rest before you wear yourself out completely. I know most who come here for a holiday think they're missing out on something if they don't have sex every day - especially if they rarely get any back home. But that's nonsense. I think sex and boys should be thought of as a part of your holiday, but not the entire focus. There are plenty of other things to see and do when it's just not the right moment for bars and boys. Try a legitimate Thai massage. Try a genuine foot massage. Go sightseeing. Go shopping. Try an out of the way, unfamiliar restaurant. Take a seat at a good location and spend some time just people watching - and don't be surprised if a young gent approaches you - and he might not even be a money boy. We all slow down as we age. You need to accept that as reality. If you need a rest once in a while, don't get depressed about it. Merely find something else to do that day and by the next day you'll probably be ok again and raring to go.

TaT should definitely be paying you!

Yogyakarta is a big university town. Unfortunately I was only there for a couple of days. But I am guessing all of those horny boys would need a discrete outlet

No-in ASEAN TH is by far the most expensive-not just in the usual price, but also ratio of MB vs free guys. But it has the ease and ample supply-in the cities concerned. If you translate the usual fees into US$ or €, TH is up to double its neighbors. (except Singy of course). I really liked this review of zsolec above-really agrees with my own experience-though a lot of it was quite some time ago by now. But then Indonesia has much more to offer as just Bali an Jakarta (dirty city). Cities like Yogyakarta, Solo and Malang on Java are /were very good for finding happy meets on the street-free or a few 1000 ( the local money rupiah has very low value, 1€ is now like 14/15k) and even more on Sumatera in some of its big cities )which however have nothing of interest to a normal tourist). But that was way before the apps and sites and I also speak the lingo fairly fluent. For me I travelled on the cheap like a bekpekker-not specifically aiming for the other goodies-but by then was always surprised at the ease and willingness of many guys you meet to step a little further.

Based off your description, I'm fairly certain I was also with 1 on my recent trip. I went into the encounter not expecting much as I agree about the general vibe of Tawan, but he ended up surprising me. As I am completely unsympathetic to my neighbors, I can get really loud if I'm enjoying myself, and he was definitely into that. What surprised me is that especially toward the end, it felt like a genuine hookup because I could tell he was enjoying himself. I don't think it was anything special about me, though. I think he loves getting applause and cheers, and moaning in bed is the equivalent I guess. Since he felt like was doing a good job and his work was being appreciated, he totally let loose. We both couldn't stop smiling and laughing after. Definitely my best bottoming experience on my trip. Your point about "having a little gay in them" is so true and I have the feeling he certainly does. Thanks for sharing.

Day 7.25: The T in Thailand is for Threesome I’d say I’m usually up for things I’ve never done before. Whatever it is, if it sounds good, I won’t hesitate, and will just say yes. If I overthink it, I’ll just psyche myself out. That’s how I felt about the threesome with two Tawan men. The Tawan men, with big bulging muscles and the bravado that goes with it, in my experience, does not translate to particularly mind-blowing sex. This is subjective of course, and you might be all-in to what the hypermasculine have to offer, but I have the most luck with guys with just a tinge of gay in them. On the average, Tawan guys are not these, with a few exceptions, of course. And this is the first time I'm going to have a threesome with Tawan men. It's hard enough to get any threesome happen in other boy bars, let alone Tawan. But it was a situation where both men approached me first, showed some interest in making me feel comfortable, and made the suggestion of the threesome to me instead of me to them. It hasn’t even crossed my mind to have this in Tawan. I usually get just one guy and feast on him for the night. And the quality of sex has been uneven. Some have wowed me and do full on kissing and foreplay, others just insist on a muscle worship session and won’t initiate or be passionate. Probably because this is the mystique of the bar, and probably because most of them are straight. The two that I hired were the classic Tawan type. Even their profile pics on Line are of them competing in bodybuilding contests – all tan and oily and muscly. Not necessarily Tiago’s type. He is bowing out of this off for now. As he has newly acquired fighting gear to try on and admire, that will keep him busy while I am busy. I’ve been getting Line messages from both earlier in the day and closer to 5 pm. They both asked the address, and confirming our 5PM rendezvous. Tawan guy #2: Tawan Guy #1 Fairly professional communication. And at close to 5 PM I got a call from one of them asking for directions, as they were already closeby and wanted to confirm the address. They were on time, a very good sign. I told them I’d meet them at the curb so they know where to go. As I step out of the main gate of the AirBNB I was staying in, I see two big motorcycles, with big muscular dudes on them, literally a house away from me. I wave to them, and they look relieved that they weren’t lost. They parked in front of the gate, and followed me in to the house. You always get a different vibe whenever you see a bar boy in full street clothes. They were both in shorts, and wearing matching big Nike tennis shoes. 1 was in a fitting t-shirt, with his muscles bulging through the sleeves, and 2 was in a sleeveless shirt with biceps and arm veins prominently displayed. They lumber through the door and take off their shoes, another good sign, and survey the living room where Tiago, shirtless and trying out his boxing gloves, was. “Two?” 2 asks, pointing to me and him. “No, just me,” I laugh. They didn’t expect a foursome for sure, so I eased their confusion. “Boyfriend!” Tiago then exclaims, in English, standing up, pointing to himself. We weren’t really boyfriends, but I don’t mind when Tiago does this, perhaps to show that we are together, in case there was funny business planned by the two. He pointed with a gloved hand to himself, perhaps to further drive the point that he can mess these two up if need be. Not that there was any need for that. Tiago is just very protective when it comes to what he feels needs his care. “You do Muay Thai?” 1 asks Tiago. Translation was needed. Both Tawan guys got a kick out of Tiago. 1 asks where the bedroom would be, so I lead both to the room, and both take turns showering. As I already have showered, I hang out with Tiago until I see 2 in a towel. 2 is actually pretty talkative, telling us about his travels throughout Asia, selling his muscles all over. He said he has a hard time picking up other languages, and he has at least English to lean on, though it is not spoken in all the cities he has gone to. 1 now emerges in his own towel, and we go into the bedroom and I bid goodbye to Tiago. I was invited by both to strip down, as both take off their towels to reveal their moneymakers. 2 had some oil, and told me we can start by some light massage. The shoulder massage I got from the two last night, was continued, now with both hands touching my whole body. It wasn’t a massge per se, but it was a way for the sex to start, and it was effective. 2 was directing the whole tableau, as he instructed 1 on what to do, who is now super hard, with a nice thick cock, so feed me his cock, while 1 continued with using his hands all over me, and his tongue to play with my nipples, as he did last night. I was laying on my back, and 1 feeds his cock to me, as he offers up his body to my wandering hands. There was a lot of nice things to touch, as he had a a great ass, giant thighs, and a nice penis. 1 took a break from the pleasuring to wash his hands. After a while he came back hard as well, as he joins 1 with my wandering hands and mouth. Now it was his turn. He was smaller than 1, but he had big muscles and almost no body fat. After a few turns on foreplay on my part, 2 then again goes back to me to jack me off, while 1 continues to press his body against me. It wasn’t long till I came, all thanks to 2. 2 gets a towel to wipe away any of my spillage. And then 2 goes on to take a shower, as 1 stay behind with a still hard cock. I cuddle beside him, grasping his cock, as I talk to him about the night ahead – he’s heading to Tawan after this as it was a Saturday and it’s going to be a good night to work. A few more cuddles and 2 was done and it was 1’s turn to shower. I excuse myself to shower in the other bathroom. 2 stays behind in bed. Tiago at this point was shadow boxing, all sweaty and worked out wearing his new gear. “Good fighting,” 2 said, as he emerges from the bedroom, with 1 behind him. I give them what is owed, 2000 baht each, and no pleas for more money, which I expected but it did not come. They put on their shoes and asked me to see them at Tawan tonight. I say maybe, I’ll think about it. They find their motorcycles and off they go to probably eat. I just realized that aside from my alone time with Tiago, I’ve only had Threesomes with bar boys here in Bangkok. This must be a first. Tiago asks me about the off. I tell him it was fine, but I didn’t expect it to be as bed-shattering as how I usually prefer it. He asks me why I even wanted it, since he knows how I like it, knowing me very well by now. I tell him that sometimes I want the feel of a man’s body next to me, without the urgency of passion. It can be passionate sometimes, but the appreciation of other men’s bodies was the primary goal. “I don’t get it,” he says, as he takes off his shorts. “I’m super sweaty and taking a shower.” Two bouncy cheeks trailed him. I ask, “Do you want company?” “Come,” he says. I guess he was going to show me how I really liked it. After cumming twice in a row, I just needed a nap, which made us almost late to have time to have dinner and then a boy bar. But if one is pressed for time, one would only have to go to Foodland Patpong to have a decent and quick dinner, for cheap. It never disappoints. We taxi it to Patpong, first to Foodland, and then walk to our next boy bar… which ones do we have left to go to?

No, I don't. There's just not enough interest in Mexico ... on this forum.

My plane arrived on time and was quickly through the airport and on my way to the hotel. It was already evening time so had a shower and got ready to take another Uber to Lagoa. I was concerned I would have missed most of the boys but I guess being Saturday night the place was packed. Not a spare seat to be had in the main bar. I got myself a drink to check out the boys. This was my first time at the new location and had read much of the previous feedback. Agree it does not have the openness of the previous location. However, the building fitout is modern and smart and I liked the different spaces on the different levels. Same warm welcome and easy to work things out. Not sure how many boys I had missed, but there was still a variety of handsome guys. No big huge muscle guys, but many athletic guys and a few twinks. Many had been taken by customers at the bar but still a few working the place looking for customers. My eyes had caught a handsome muscular athletic black guy when I arrived and I found him again in the training space. We got a room and had a great time. So great to be back in Brazil. I had some drinks and some time with a more twinky Rio boy. Being the first time to that neighbourhood going back to hotel there were so many bars and people out having a good time on a Saturday night. Plan one more visit before heading to Rio.

What you say may be true but I think it is being unnecessarily rude to the person who made the inquiry.

And usually are the ones that need to be paying double, lol

In my experience, the non-garoto saunas in Brazil are very similar to the (fast-disappearing) gay bathhouses in the USA — which means, basically, it’s the normal Western gay male social pecking order. The very few really attractive men are there to hook up with the other very few really attractive men. Pudgy middle-aged guys, bears, fem twinks, and other more commonly moderately to less desirables ordinarily “stay in their lanes” and wind up with each other. Not the case at the saunas with money boys — where cash rules everything around you. That’s the easiest and best shot for the average schmoe — who would ordinarily be overlooked by the 8s, 9s and 10s in sexually charged, physically important gay environments like bathhouses and circuit parties — to land an Adonis.