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Day 19 We waked up to no view in the morning – rain and being 65th floor we were in clouds. It did not last long , by time we went for breakfast it was clear. At breakfast K offered generously that he has time till 11 so he can return to the room , offer gladly accepted and not only because of no charge. After he left I packed and took taxi to Baan Silom , 100 baht tip included. Driver had streak of good luck as I picked him up when he was unloading 2 ladies in front of Bayioke and on arrival in soi 3 there was guy who promptly took my seat in the back. As usual in Baan Silom they told me to come in 1 hr because room was not ready so I went to the market only to find it empty. Then I noticed what I already saw, despite being Friday traffic was very low. Guy on reception told me today is Queen’s birthday- holiday, that’s why. So I decided to celebrate in style and took BTS to KMan spa in Spahan Kwai. Quite easy to find as they have sign poking out and above all other signs in soi. Only two boys on duty I was explained but both looked enticing so as usual I picked up one with broader smile. I was informed his minimum tip is 800 and massage just 500 for 1.5 hr because of holiday’s promotion. It was fun. Massage was good , boy, Myanmarese very friendly and very well endowed so we had busy , fun loaded 1.5 hr. My standard tip for 1.5 hr is 1500 so he was very happy with well deserved that. In no uncertain terms he expressed willingness to go to my hotel for the night like he knew already I like LT. Just in case, we exchanged Line but today I had other plans being in love with TT at Tawan. We will see about tomorrow I told him but I’m not sure as it’s my last day. Somehow I decided to return via MRT from Suthisan station and since it’s quite a distance I took motorsai there. One of worst decision in my long life. I’m frequent user of motorsai taxis, never had a problem , even if many people say it’ s dangerous to ride those. Today I learned what they mean. Very second I sat down he speeded before I even managed to put my hand on the handle. Why I didn’t fall I don’t know to this day. I managed to clutch to something while he was driving like crazy, thanks God traffic was quite light but fact I’m still alive is not much short of miracle. SCARY SHIT that ride was! For dinner I got invitation from reader and we went to his friend’s restaurant behind the Silom Center . Food was tasty , beer was cold and conversation lively. We decided to check New Twilight later on, agreed to meet in front of that bar at 21.15 and we parted ways for now. Barely I managed to enter hotel when RAIN started, quite impressive at that so I Lined reader we better delay trip until it will be over as Bangkok rains , no matter how heavy, have habit of suddenly stopping after hour or two. But he answered he is already there having good luck catching taxi just before rain, soon I was on my way because rain was already turning to drizzle and then stopped. New Twilight was fairly busy with few bottles opened and some boys and mamasans siting with customers, we exchanged our opinions on boys on the stage , tipped out favorites, me of course using already patented Vinapu Tuck and then show started. One of dancers looked familiar but I couldn’t recall why until moment of enlightenment came , L, I saw him in Moonlight few years ago. Just to make sure I confirmed it with mamasan, one who hails from Moonlight also. So I may be set for tomorrow I guess although I have great hopes for my next today’s step. After the show reader went his way and I marched straight to Tawan around the corner with mission to off TT, most handsome hunk there, friendly, very proportionately built and sporting nice equipment. As always lot of friendly smiles, although I was not smiling since TT was sitting with some crowd, he came to shake hands but when I asked him if he goes with me he said he is already booked with one of guys he was drinking with. Dreams shattered so I turned to their resident twink for a help for tonight but he obviously well informed about my habits told me he can’t go because he has a job and is not available for long time. Since K was gone my choice was either Dum or Line to that massage boy from KMan spa but before I made my mind TT came to tell me that yes, he will go with me LT for the same tip I was giving K. Boy’s telegraph working full time I guess. Being enamored with him I gladly accepted, it was what I expected anyways. We skipped dinner as he was not hungry but when passing by 7/11 in front of Baan Silom I asked if he needs something as I always do. He said yes so we went in , bought some drinks and thing he wanted – headsets for 300 baht. I was so happy to buy it for object of my sights. In the room it was exactly as I hoped for and expected, great body , great thing, great conversation , lots of steam , I was in heaven. What a catch thought I ! I was hoping for more of the same in the morning but it was not meant to be. It was still dark, just pre dawn when wailing started. “I can’t sleep, you snore, you are touching me , I don’t like this , I ‘m tired , I want to go home” this kind of things. I was not that defensive and right away used line I got from another boy Bos from Tawan few years ago “ I’m not paying you to sleep’ , but it did not help much. It was no sense to continue angry exchange in such circumstance , I accepted my dreams being shattered to dust , told him “Ok , you can go” . Gave him his tip and it was painful to see he is counting money, only second time this trip guy tipped was counting money. Complete derailment ! Yes , I know I should reduce tip but I was so disappointed I just wanted it to be over and fast and was in no mood to argue. Short time it would be life time experience to be remembered forever but Long Time was bad idea but who could know? Specially for that kind of money? Few nights ago HC had similar complains but he soldiered on till we missed breakfast. No such danger today as I was up at down , upset at that, so did not even go to sleep. Made my tea and did some reading, smartphoning and tableting . Being upset I did not even feel I’m hungry in the morning. So day 19 did not finish with me singing Edith Piaffs “ Vie en Rose “ (spelling)

Generally, happy endings are a possibility at just about any shop.* Having said that, there are some shops where you can pretty much count on it and you’ll find more information in this and other threads on the topic, and also in trip reports which abound right now. My personal short list for this trip of most reliable shops includes K-man in Saphan.Kwai and I-Come on Soi Suan Phlu. Check their FB and Twitter sites. I’ve been offered HE’s at all but one of other shops, but the above two locations I find a cut above the rest in quality and consistency. i haven’t been to Arena this trip but judging by the reports of others, it’s very reliable. KK Spa is on my list of places I hope to try but have been putting it off because of its more remote location. *I say again comb through posted reports and most of your questions will be answered. Vinapu recently posted about Ganymede Spa which I’d happily visited twice precovid. I learned that it’s since adopted high minimum tip fees that should not be expected to include afters. That saved me a trip I’d been considering. Above all, go to a shop that allows you to choose a masseur either live or from tablet. If you’re choosing from boys outside or lineup inside, look for the guy that makes eye contact and smiles.

Or stand on a go-go stage and listen to the comments about how chubby, ugly, queeny, etc....you are 😲

Well, one of my favorite things now is that after the jockstrap night that I planned (and @jason1975made more possible), many of the guys have switched to wearing jockstraps, which I think is particularly on brand for the bar. I think they like that tips can be inserted into the straps (something that happened a lot on the party night.) I think there's quite the range of younger to older types with varying levels of musculature and facial attractiveness. To me, one guy even looks like WWE superstar Angel Garza as far as face and plumpness of butt, and I don't know why I haven't offed him yet. Even though I always feel overwhelmed entering there, I'm constantly greeted with hugs and a general warm feeling, though many requests for tips as I was quite generous during the party. Reading the trip report from @vinapuwill shine light on the quality of guys, with notable hunks being nicknamed K and TT. There's also one competitive bodybuilder present most nights. I did get some insight on the general bodybuilding scene from one of the guys, and he said prize money just isn't what it used to be in Thailand, so a lot of guys are losing interest. Thus I wouldn't expect to go in to see ripped competition ready muscle as you might have seen in the days of Tong and Mehkin. At this point, the only major downside of going in there is how shameless everyone can be asking for tips even if doing nothing or how someone will sit with you even if you haven't asked them to. It's definitely more aggressive than other bars, but you might like that.

Damn, Vinapu. I am sorry. This cute twink asked me for your number and I just gave it to him. Is consent implied if they are cute?

Keeping my fingers that Screwboys will reopen. Screwboys is twink heaven in Bangkok!

Whether he has zero posts or 1000 posts, I would not give out any information about anyone without permission from the person he's asking about. If you have the massage guy's LINE ID, you could contact him, tell him the new poster's LINE ID, or whatever contact information you have for him, and leave it up to the massage guy whether to contact him or not. I'd say either that or just forget the whole thing. What makes this person think you have the massage guy's LINE ID in the first place?

Before deciding how much to tip, I think all of us should have to intern for a day at a shop and perform foot and leg massage as well as oil massage (including ALL of the extras) on someone in our age group.🙂

Day 18 Breakfast was included in the rate so we went there, restaurant serving it it’s on 81 floor and whole affair is quite opulent with farang and various Asian dishes. I actually pig out on dragon fruit which I like very much. Looking around one could see that hotel is VERY popular with Indian or at least Indian looking tourists. View was a bonus and after breakfast we went up to the top to see vista from there, you don’t even need to walk around as in certain hours floor is moving slowly. Then I walked Dit to the bus stop , it’s from him I learned that bus 77 goes straight from Silom to Prathunam and then decided to have a walk. Just a walk , so went by BTS to Saphan Kwai and walked all the way from there to hotel , It took me only 1.5 hr. , not a bad in that heat. I liked it as it was nice to observe how city changes block after block, not to mention all that eye candy. At 3 p.m. I was expecting X and indeed he lined me at 3 that he is parking car so I went to reception area to meet him there. I need to mention that this trip I did not have even one case when boy did not show up at agreed time , give or take 5 minutes the most. Felt like Switzerland. At elevator where I met X I was bit surprised with his shorts, not only on short side but very tatty as directed by current boy fashion, I noticed even lady at reception where he registered his parking ticket raised her brew while sporting not so discreet smile. Did not bother me but X reflected that Thai people are conservative and may think his dress is disrespectful. So much for cultural sensitivities. View impressed him indeed and he had fantastic idea, just took quilt from one of beds, placed it on the floor by the window and said it’s most suitable place to have fun . Indeed who will see anything in such a height? We did not manage to change dresses to Adam’s when it was knock to a door . Who the hell it’ll be? But I opened and it was waiter from hotel with box, inside was small chocolate cake and sign ‘Happy Birthday”, how the hell they knew? Most likely from registration. It was very nice and unexpected gesture and cake was quite yummy too. Not the we spent much time tasting it since sheets in the floor were tempting. I like X very much indeed but today he seemed was even more hot and clingy or may be it was me who was more clingy because he seemed soo hot. As usual no rush meeting . At one point he suggested we order some food which I agreed , after all I was on the run up to now on that dragon fruit from the breakfast. Another nice surprise, servings were big and tasty and price was surprisingly low at 420 for two plus of course tip. After he left I took motorsai (80) to Patpong, had round of drinks with buys and few members at Hot Male then where else ? to Tawan. Enthusiastically welcomed by Dum , K, M and TT who noticed probably I like him so much and made sure he is sitting on my right. K yielded place on my left to Dum but he knew why I came there tonight. After the show I ask him to dress and soon we were on our way to Happy Beer to have dinner , treat my friendly waitresses with red wine and listen to another round of their praises of how nice K, cousin of one of them , is. No need to look for taxi as K has motorbike , we found spot to park it overnight and again not disturbed by anybody on reception we went up to the room, my birthday dream come true hunk and me. We still had a bit of cake to try before going to the bed with the view. As I mentioned yesterday room had 2 beds. Somehow all 4 guests in the room : Besty, Dit, X nad K , picked up one on the right. Surprising , at least for me. Do day 18 finished on doubly sweet note , hunk in chocolate cake. Long live Baiyoke Sky hotel

Look at this hunk!

It is not the same IP. I checked that first.

Its probably the spillover from the fiasco from Latin forum. Apparently there is a troll that has been asking GP contact and went on to harrass the GP using your name as the friend... That troll has been registering new account multiple times after being caught. @Slvkguy @Latbear4blk and @SolaceSoul has been in a crusade to catch these trolls hahaha. I find it amusing but if i were in their shoes, id be fuming mad too. That guy has been unsuccessful in Latin forum, and now is trying to infect thailand forum as well it seems. Im not too sure how, but if Moderator/admin/owner of the website can verify members IP, maybe it can finally shed light to whether its really same person trolling or not. But then again, this could be easily masked too.

@jason1975The theme is obvious - Colonel Sanders/KFC. I suggest they all wear the the Colonel's specs/glasses.

Or you can call the police and report a rude and ungretul prostitute. 😆

Excellent report and I really appreciate it that you took the time to write and post it.

or a disco nap

I suspect mine twinks are better fed

Green Massage was open tonight (two shops up Surawong from Tarntawan Hotel). Go figure.

I don't have any libido but I have precious stamp collection which I always carry with me and like to show it to the boys, more handsome , the better, if that helps

It would take bit longer for me to open door needing to dress up a bit .Way room is organized person in the door can't see bed area at all . And it was a girl, X could like her though. But cake was a nice gesture, they could slip a card or something and they would be nice enough By the way , here's the cake;

A new poster with zero posts, just asked me for LINE ID for a massage guy. I declined. I don't share with anyone new who is not established. He just joined this month. Odd right?

Note — While exchanging currency at SuperRich at Central World Saturday, the three customers ahead of me were all Chinese. From the Thaiger Thailand received another boost to its tourism industry yesterday when China gave its blessing to resume flights between the two Asian nations. The gradual lifting of Covid-19 restrictions, the scrapping of the Thailand Pass, and the relaxation of mask-wearing have all been much welcomed as the kingdom fights back against two tough pandemic years. And the welcoming of Chinese tourists will provide another shot in the arm to the Thai economy. The Civil Aviation Administration of China has granted permission for 2 flights each week for the first time since the pandemic kicked off over 2 years ago. Initial flights will be restricted to business people and students, but Beijing says it will gradually reopen more international flights for tourists. The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand announced their carriers would be sharing the burden of operating the flights, except those to Beijing and Shanghai. Thai Airways International, Thai Smile Airways, Thai Lion Air, and Thai Air Asia have all submitted requests to fly to Guangzhou, while Thai VietJet will fly to Kunming and Nok Air to Nanning.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2022/06/26/sundre-parade-float-racist/ This happened in Canada this weekend. A racist float in a rodeo parade in the heartland of Conservative party support. I post it here because these are the same people who tear down rainbow flags and deface rainbow street crosswalks by peeling out with their trucks. Those kinds of incidents have been on the rise and I believe are an offshoot of the anti-vaccine movement which has given these creeps a newfound boldness. The Conservative party, which says it's not racist or homophobic anymore and won't revoke a women's right to choose, is still as right wing Christian and redneck as it's even been. But the Liberals have been lurching from one political disaster to another all through their own incompetence and will probably lose the next election to the Conservatives who are about to elect a new leader who appears to be crazy and not in a good way. And so while many say the United States can't happen here, it can.

Thank you very much. I certainly appreciate that. You don't happen to have Brad Pitt's, do you . . . ?

150 reais, máximo 200 reais.

10kg heavier because of bigger dicks and balls.

Thank you for confirming. I've been accused by the three trolls mentioned here of being someone else. I have never been to Brazil and have no intention of going to Brazil, so I don't really care about GP contacts (I didn't even know what I GP was until I started reading this forum). I think the accusations that are being made against me are slanderous and need to be stopped. I have been contributing to the Thailand forum because there were questions asked that I knew the answers to (question about a hotel I've used for years). The ganging up that I've been experiencing here is far worse than any bullying I ever experienced from straight people for being gay. It is especially disturbing because it's gay Pride month. This is the way gay men treat each other? I think the intent is to drive me off of this forum, for whatever reason. I just don't understand it. I have never asked for contact information for anyone, anywhere. If anyone is accusing me of that, then they'd better bring some receipts, otherwise, it is delusional slander.

Oh, that's you ! Neither cute nor twink but indeed I got a message on Line this morning asking if I can help with rent payment .

Reminds me of my most harrowing motorsai ride. Was about four years ago from Sukhumvit to the then new Hero location. Most of it was spent on wrong side of road. You tend to become very conscious of your knees at times like that.

will try to have Day 20 ready later today, normally I post when I have following day written already but yesterday I got drunk so instead of writing I went to bed. I'm surprised that I managed to post day 19 being in that state but is seems there are no obstacles to my devotion to this forum. Sober now though

on their noses or rather cocks?

me as competition bodybuilder ? you must be kidding or even worse drunk like me last night ! it was always like that and it comes from general vibe of bar I guess. I wouldn't use word 'aggressive' , rather ' invasive" but is all done in good nature and nobody will make faces if you decline or even plainly say ' no' . Shy types may feel intimidated in the beginning, on another hand it helps when you are too shy to call boy of your dream to sit with you - wait until he approaches you. And in which bar boy sitting with you may actually place your hand on his bulge before you move. Only in Tawan , not guaranteed but quite possible

Oops. Sorry I was smitten by New Twilight twink waiter and Hotmale beer bar waiters! @flashbarryallen Let's resolve to organise a special Tawan night for @vinapu in future!

In a post about massage boys at Silom Spa, I mentioned I was in contact with him. But, to answer your question, I never give out contact info for anyone. I just find odd that someone I don't know and been here less than a month would ask. Now, Gaybutton, I know you. I have met you. If you asked me for someone's LINE, I would reach out to them to see if it is OK. But, then follow their directions. However, in 20 years, I have not had this happen more than a few times. I think he is reaching out to many via PM's and I just wanted to give a heads up to all.

Exactly positive experience in my last stay in 2020. It's my favourite in Silom/Surawong area.

It's very rude and ungretul behaviour, he could just give you a false excuse why he can't stay for the night.

Thank you. Much appreciated. I have been to Bangkok many times but not in recent years for obvious reasons. The massage scene has changed it would appear due to Covid so this up to date information is very helpful. The old Hero was my absolute favourite but long gone I’m afraid.

I think that is great to have this place. It is so much more interesting and open than the Russian's domain. Many thanks to whoever owns and operates it.

Reading Vinapu's reports I feel like I got the best tourist guide on hand. I just made it to Pattaya, and something like this would be a dream for me to try at least one time. I wonder If I go to BBB and ask the mamasan, is P and R working tonight? would I get the same guys? lol If not, Vinapu, more guidance appreciated!

while Jason's recommendation are sensible and workable my advice will be don't let and prejudices to cloud your judgement and visit all bars, Tawan and Jupiter included and don't forget about New Twilight where you can have buys on display as early as 9 pm. that's advice I'm always giving to myself as well If I , sworn hunk lover can find interesting guys in twink kingdoms of Fresh Boys or HotMale downstairs and even off some from time to time what makes you thinking any bar is out of bounds for you.

Totally get it. So for those asking the difference between the two, I think that's pretty much it. Furama Silom is on Silom, for me easier to get to. Sathorn is located on a soi and you have to walk through several sois (with no sidewalks) to get there - not as convenient if you want to get to your hotel quickly, but you can also experience life on the sois off the main streets better. Sathorn is a newer hotel, Silom is older but renovated. In the end, both are good bets and no problems with visitors in either.

(part 5) After 2 days, I move to A&P (Arthur & Paul) - the gay-only hotel in Phnom Peng (I have always wanted to experience such a place). It's pricy, double the price I paid for my centrally located 4 star hotel, and also a bit far from the city center. However, moving to this hotel put me in walking distance of 15 minutes or less to a number of well-known gay sauna & massages, including Dai Khmer (st 420), Ganesh House Massage (also on st 420), Hatha Khmer Massage and Love Spa (reported in part 4), to name a few, not to mention the most famous A&P, the in-house sauna of the hotel to which its guests have free access (Guide actually wanted to take me to A&P during my first tour but I told him I'm gonna stay there anyway). My tip: visitors to Phnom Peng should try to stay in two different locations (one near the Royal Palace, and the other near A&P). A&P itself is expensive, but I saw quite a number of decent hotels, probably cheaper, nearby when I walked around the neighborhood. That means you can stay in a cheaper place and then buy an all-day multi-entry pass to A&P for a few more bucks to use their very good facilities, including dry & wet saunas, swimming pool, big jacuzzi, and also cute and smiling staff in their underwear (it's clothing optional, mind you). It's like when you visit Ho Chi Minh city, you should stay first in District 1 (the actual city center, especially Bui Vien area which we call phố tây - street for foreigners) and later move to District 10, Sub-district 12 (the de factor gay service center with a lot of gay massage parlors and saunas). Back to Phnom Peng, I walked to Ganesh House Massage last night because it's very near just to have some ideas. It has the same setup as Hatha Khmer Massage: curtains, boys in underwear (white this time) but fewer boys (8 on display at 10h30pm, open till midnight). As with the case of Heco, the receptionist's English is extremely poor and Guide wasn't with me, so after a few questions trying to find more info but to no avail, I gave up and walked back. Took some pictures though. I contacted Dai Khmer (on the same street as Ganesh) on Grindr and they send me pictures of the available 5 masseurs. I like the one in red shirt. A taste check: @vinapu and @jason1975 which ones do you like? Jason, I think you could really use a week-end trip from Singapore to sample gay life and boys in Phnom Peng. About finding boys on app, I only had one hook-up in the first two days so don't have much to say about it. However, it looks to me that while both Blued and Grindr have a lot of local boys, Grindr appears to have a higher rate of MBs. In Thailand, I found that Hornet works better for Pattaya, Grindr for Bangkok and Blued is pretty decent for both. Vietnam is similar to Cambodia (Blued and Grindr), but you may want to install one more app - Zalo (as popular as Line in Thailand). Usually, app boys are gonna give you their Zalo contact. Another tip: if you are in Vietnam and try to find boys on app, beware of so-called online pimps, who also advertise their service on Blued, Grindr and Zalo. Many of those online pimps just scout the apps, looking for any boys who advertise themselves as MB (in Vietnam, we usually use the term call boy or cb instead), then create their own list of "models". As a result, the same boy may appear in multiple lists advertised by different pimps. In many cases, the pimps know next to nothing about their boys and can't answer your questions about the boy's sexual orientation, whether he looks like his pictures, what he would or would not do in bed, etc. Worse still, they also jack up the price quite a bit (for example, if you deal directly with the boy, he may ask for somewhere between 500K and 1 mil VND short time, about 700-1500B or 22-45 USD. Through a pimp, that would become 1-1.5 mil VND (and if they know that you are foreigners, they may quote the price in USD for even more money, so feel free to haggle). The more a pimp can charge you, the more commission he gets (30% of what the boy gets from you). Different pimps may quote you different prices for the same boy. I don't mind paying the pimps their cut if they actually do a their job of giving us some helpful intel about boys. But they more often than not don't. So I follow some pimps on Zalo to see pictures of the boys and then just do the opposite: scout the apps for familiar faces You also need to know where to put your location while searching. In Hanoi, for example, search the old quarter or Hoan Kiem lake. Ho Chi Minh city (see relevant locations a few lines above). One MB, who's currently working in Bi sauna in District 10 in Ho Chi Minh City, told me this intriguing story. He got a customer (a Vietnamese overseas) through a pimp and travelled all the way to meet the customer in his centrally-located hotel. The agreed price is 1.2 mil (which means the pimp's cut is 400K). However, the customer, for whatever reasons, changed his mind and didn't want sex. He offered the boy 500K for "meeting and chatting". FYI: I can confirm that the boy in question does look like his pictures, very cute in person as well, and can also do massage quite professionally. I used his service and was happy. Boy told me he had to give the pimp his cut of 400K no matter what (he also complained that pimps don't care if the deal didn't go through, they don't care if boys get in trouble with rogue customers, would not protect the boys because they themselves also know nothing about customers), and the remaining 100K wasn't even enough to cover his two-way taxi fare. So he insisted the customer pay the agreed amount because a deal is a deal. When the customer refused, you know what the boy did? Right there in the middle of the hotel lobby, he (kinda small-built) jumped on the guy (tall and big) and screamed in Vietnamese. I need a moment think how I should translate this into English... "Everyone, this jerk's trying to stiff a whore! This jerk's trying to stiff a whore!" (that's how we make a scene in Vietnam). You probably know the ending right? The customer paid up and the boy left, but damages already done. (to be continued)

I don't think I mentioned anywhere that Bayioke is 4 star if only because only star rating I care about in Thailand is 7 1/2 Michelin stars Foodland Patpong was awarded long ago along with Unesco Heritage plate. While location is a little bit , how to say ? less shiny perhaps, I don't know why It would be undesirable. Certainly I did not see nor sense any danger there and as I said shopping is better than Silom or Chatuchak if I know what shopping is which is not sure thing. Yes , it's a distance from Silom gay venues but it's few minutes 80-100 baht taxi ride. Yes I paid 200 for tuk-tuk but it could be easily bargained down because driver while quoting told us right away ' no turists now". I did not feel like haggling over 50 baht. I will try Banyan Tree next time I have urge to waste money on some better accommodation as I usually do every trip for 2-3 nights just to treat myself and boost my self esteem but I used word ' waste' deliberately because I never really see that difference in amenities and comfort justifies difference in price. If you think Banyan tree doubling Baiyoke price is also offering doubled comfort of stay I'm curious to check what that doubled comfort is next time I can. But I understand others, like you, may feel differently. The same can be said about restaurants and of all things , boys indeed. I'm in that category as more often than not I'm happier with guys I tipped higher than standard or market. Since I stay in Baiyoke already what will be a point to read comments by people I don't even know on Trip Advisor ? I have my own experience and it was very good. If somebody did not like things I liked or overlooked it that complainer issue , not mine. I do read at times posts on Agoda for hotels I know from own experience and one thing is sure , there always will be people who will be complaining about anything, including water being too wet and along of them will be those who will praise everything happy that water was available at all. While I also like European vacations ( going there soon ) any price over 60 euros is bleeding my heart dry. very touchy subject, yes I did and when transferring my trip phots from phone to my computer I did something I still don't know what that pics disapeared from phone but can't them find on my comp anywhere. So short answer is : regretfully no Looks kind of far but it's really few minutes hop by taxi with benefit everybody knows where Baiyoke is. Even by bus 77 it will be 10-15 minutes max . Taxi from hotel to Patpong will be 80-100 generous tip included.

Hi together. I went to freshboys yesterday as recommendedby jason1975. It was an amazing experience. 75 boys on site, great show and lovely mamasan. I enjoyed taking 2 boys to my room for the night. Though they where shy at the beginning, it turned out to be a lot of action. Additionally, the boys where not only cute twinks but also gifted with a very nice personality. In short 5star evening thanks to your help.

The waiters are so my type. I will off them if I ever go there!

Responding to the original post: In all the times that I have been in Thailand, I can't recall an occasion when the foot massager assigned to me was a ladyboy. Most of the time, they are quite clearly straight lads. But if I was put on the spot like you were by a foot massager going on about tips, I would probably have stopped the session midway and spoken to the manager, asking for a change. At the very least, I would speak to the manager before I left even if I chose to let the session continue. I believe the key question was how much to tip under such circumstances. I wouldn't tip. I agree with z909: "there's a moral obligation to NOT tip bad service, as it means behaviour will continue unchanged and other customers will suffer." It is irrelevant whether the foot massager gets a sort of salary from the shop or not, though my information from two of these workers some years back was that they do. These two were unusual in that they were not straight lads, and were more than happy to meet after work and provide erotic services in my hotel room, where I took the opportunity to ask them about the business model in foot massage shops. It's irrelevant too how poor their families are. I am not in Thailand to perform charity. If I buy a service, they should provide it to satisfaction. Responding to the discussion about how much to tip in normal circumstances: If my memory serves me, the typical one hour foot massage would be priced at 250 - 400 baht, depending on how touristy the location is. My rule of thumb is to tip the worker 50% to 100% of the listed price. In theory, quality of service should determine whether it's closer to 50% or 100%, but, to be frank, I don't really know how to judge quality for foot massages. The dirty secret is probably how handsome the foot massager is, and how friendly he is. Did my heart flutter? is the test. A pretty face, nice bod and a sweet smile may well raise the quality rating in my estimation, haha. Which also means that if I was assigned a female worker she'd never make it past the bare 50%. Nothing would have fluttered and she could never be pretty enough. 🤪

I've stayed at both, and can understand why you like Sathorn better. It is a nicer hotel (I think it's newer). But for me, it was not as convenient as Silom. You have to walk through the sois to get to the main streets. I've been staying at Furuma Silom since it was the Tower Inn - lots of fond memories there

I've been staying at Furama Silom for years. I love it. It used to be the Tower Inn. No problem bringing guests up to your room - the reception is towards the back of the lobby - you enter right up to the elevators. They redid the rooms and they're really nice. Used to have very loud air-con. Nice pool on the roof and a bar, also great breakfasts. Last time I was there was about 2018. It may have changed since then, but I really enjoyed my stay then. Close to BTS station as well. I used to use the Malaysia Hotel with taxi drivers to get to Babylon since I wasn't sure if they'd understand Babylon. Never been there though, but it seems a bit out of the way.

TMB=Thai Massage BOy is by now a very old site-from before everything went to that fb etc- and in the past was much better, as then there were so few other ways to promote these business. Its all up to the place-and the fee is not cheap, but varies as to how much you want to have on site (the workers yes/no and updating them all the time is quite costly-others only show the tariff). So-if the place pays up but does not care what is in (yes, there are some-more likely due to incompetence on how to do it) it remains, whereas others indeed do weekly or even more often updates. Even that they show guys will not mean this guy is always there-more and more its now by pre-arranged appointment-which implies that one has to know whom to ask for. Plus again: look say so little about what you hire them for, plus most of time in massage you lie on your front and wont even see it, just feel. But that was all from 2,4 yrs ago pre-covid, its Thailand so things will have changed much more.

Guy on the left of that video is hot!