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Day 13 As I mentioned, HC was not in rush so we missed breakfast in the hotel, he decided to go to his room and I went for breakfast to world famous. Straight from there went to Chatuchak Market by MRT. I did not have anything to buy, just wanted to visit it after few years. It was not as crowded like before and I had impression , much more orderly then previously. Spent few hours wandering through stalls and when I had enough sights and smells I returned by combination new MRT line and BTS from Bang Wa station, on my way catching sight of new Big Buddha on Thonburi side of river. Timing was perfect as as soon as I entered my room rain started and I mean RAIN. As usual with Bangkok rains it was heavy but after about hour and half it stopped as suddenly as it started. I had plan for this afternoon as yesterday when passing soi 3 I noticed massage shop called Bua Champu, almost beside Baan Silom hotel and not only recalled that it was recommended to me by Christian PFC but also boy sitting in front of it looked somewhat familiar and I realized I saw his profile on Grindr. So I had some expectancies but somehow I was late to start being active and he misread my intentions so all I got it was very good massage and only a little bit of feel. I guess I had my shy moment there , LOL. Well massaged and hungry I went to soi 4 for my schnitzel at G’Bangkok then to Hot Male to have daily (well almost ) chat with guys there and soon after went to Tawan. K, hero of my first night soon after went to his hometown to see his son, perhaps oiled by my tips but did not forget me and every day or two was sending me messages on Line “how are you ? “ , I miss you “ and similar liturgical stuff although considering that we hit it somewhat and I was generous with him I believe it was sincere. I miss him too anyways and when he Lined me that he is back I knew that he is second in line to be offed right after HC. It was more than week since my last time there so I was greeted somewhat warmly with handshakes and hugs by quite a few of their stuff . Apart from guys I already knew I noticed new, for me , guy, very muscular and at the same time handsome, lets call him TT. So after ordering beer for myself , K and Dum when I noticed he is smiling at me I fell immediately in love and called him over for a drink as well. M and Ten , both I had massages with also were circulating nearby but I disciplined myself and they were forced to be content with 100 baht tips but no drink. I complemented TT handsomeness and was rewarded with kiss , not to mention option of wrapping my arm around his massive shoulder as he was sitting beside me . Then show started , again one of performers called me KFC man, few tips were distributed and time came to take K home because bar was about to close and he wanted to eat something. Bill came to 2100 for off fee and 4 drinks but fun of that evening was priceless with view for even more obviously. I stole one more kiss from TT in exchange for 100 baht, LOL. For dinner he suggested well known restaurant across the mouth of former soi Twilight which I approved as I like food here and two waitresses , one of them remembered what I used to order 3 years ago as I mentioned before. I was in for more surprises there. First both of them asked if I’d consider buying them glass of red wine, sure. It was good idea not only to improve mood but soon after it was revealed that one with good memory is no less than first cousin of my K. No wonder he suggested that restaurant. Then she said we are alike because I like boys and she likes boys so next time I should bring one more for her. Wine started to work, no doubt. Then over dinner they started to speak very highly about K. It turned out that mother of his son didn’t want a child and run away leaving baby with him . So he soldiers on as single father working hard and sending money to his parents who as rising his son in rural Surin while he works in BKK. He did not make much of it saying simply that it’s his son after all so it’s his duty to support him , show me his picture and baby is like father look alike minus muscles of course but similarity was obvious. So tonight after fun time in Tawan I got even more of it in Beer Garden or whatever name of place is and I must say I started to look at K with even more respect. He seemed to be happy that somebody else told his story and in the room when we finally arrived he seemed much more clingy and talkative than before. So my day 13 ended in the morning with uplifting mood for both of us and when he asked if I off him again I told him “more than once” which earned me shy, manly kiss

As mentioned in my first post here, I'm a long-time follower of this forum (going back around 15 years, on and off) but rarely posted anything because from the great fountain of information you guys shared, I don't think I have anything new to add. Once I started sharing (just three weeks ago), I found that I do and should have done it many years ago Although Jason1975 says I should write trip reports, I'm not really up to a full report so I just share tidbits of my Thailand trips and occasionally take a chance to give you some info about Vietnam's scene too since I'm mainly based in Vietnam. I gonna start this tidbit thread with stories about a cheating mamasan in Toy Boys. This week, I came directly to Pattaya from the Bangkok airport (using Nam taxi, 1000B, they gave me detailed instructions of how to find the driver: Arrival Hall, walk outside and find Entrance No 3, then look for a car plated XXYY). Staying in AIYAREE PLACE just across street from Jomtien Complex (spacious room with a double and also a single bed, which I can use for massage, a separated space with room apparatus, arm chairs and table, perfect for working remotely, swimming pool and small gym, included breakfast buffet and also 400B hotel credit for lunch/dinner in the in-house restaurant with a pretty good selection of Western and Thai food, all of these for just 1100B/night, also no problem with guests to the room) Chatted with a boy on Blued for a massage deal. If I'm gonna meet a guy on app, I prefer if he can do massage and if I can just book for massage only first (in case the guy shows up and looks totally different from his picture). This guy seems professional with his itemized price list (shown in the picture). Some members may know him too (the one who keeps promoting his own laundry service all the time and I find it quite cute. He showed up, and just one look at him (small-built, slim fit, smooth skin, boyish look), I know I'm gonna follow up with some after-massage services. He's indeed professional, bringing everything (water-proof tarp, towel, a selection of massage oils, relaxing music, he just forgot candles hehe). He also speaks decent English (used to have some foreign boyfriends from China and Japan), so we chatted a lot during the session. It turns out he used to work in Toy Boys in Boyztown about 4 years ago. My first visit of the bar many years ago left quite a bad taste in my mouth. I was greeted by this mamasan, who is Chinese-Vietnamese and can speak Mandarin, Vietnamese, Thai and English. It felt so good to talk to someone in my mother tongue in a foreign bar, so I sought advice from him about everything. It was my last night in Pattaya and I liked 2 boys so decided (a first for me) to off both of them. Mamasan presented me with a handwritten bill including my drink, boy drinks, bar fines, boy's tips (1500 each) and also a charge for bar's short-time room (400 per boy). He told me he collected the boy's tips in advance just for safety and that even though I don't use the short time room at the bar, they still charge for it as a rule. I guess I was really naive at the time and probably trusted the bastard too much because he's Vietnamese too. To think that I even gave him a decent tip for all of his "troubles"! Only when I was back to my hotel and talked more with the boys who spoke rather limited English, I found out that the short-time charges were totally bullshit. If I didn't leave town the next day, I would come back to the bar and raise the issue with the management. The next time I set foot in the bar (6 months later), I simply ignored that mamasan who recognized me instantly, refusing to speak to him even for seating or bill paying (kinda passive-agressively you must think). I became friend with another mamasan from Cambodia and had no problems since then. So back to my massage, I asked Kiwi (the boy's nickname) why he quit, and he said he didn't like the working enviroment there and especially the mamasan, who cheated him out of his money so many times. Of course, it was the same guy. Turns out he cheated the customers and he cheated the boys too. Kiwi told me that many times that mamasan dealt with a customer (especially someone new to town) 2000 for ST and collected the money in advance but told the boy that the customer paid 1500 so the boy got back 1400 (minus his cut of 100). Kiwi said he never thought about asking the customers how much money they actually gave the mamasan. He only found out about this almost one year later, when a customer showed him a picture of the same handwritten bill I got, and funny enough, including the same bogus short-time room charge I had. Kiwi also said even though he gave the mamasan his standard 100 cut every time, that one still tried to steer customers away from him (because some other boys would give mamasan 200 or even 300 cut), like telling the customer who wants a bottom that Kiwi only tops (FYI he can do both but prefer bottom position), or even saying that you need to be careful because he's kinda bad boy etc. Kiwi, too, only found out about this through customer feedback, and his story brought back another bad memory. That night, when I pointed to one of the two boys I later offed, who was standing quietly like a church mouse in a corner, Mamasan did say that boy only goes with lady customers. But because he was totally my type, I waived him in and later found out he's gay and can bottom (another red flag I should've paid attention to but I was too excited to have my first threesome ever at that point). Back at the hotel, I asked him why Mamasan said he only goes with ladies, he said he didn't know and he never went with women customers before. Back again to my massage. Job done, I'm happy with the massage, after services and also the enlightening conversation we had, and gave him 2000 even though he only asked for 1500 tops. Also because of this, I decided to go to Boyztown that evening and visit Toy Boys again (I walked past them a couple of weeks ago and saw they just re-opened with that cheating mamasan standing at the door), just so I have a chance to blow him off again hehe. (to be continued)

Yes I’ve finally arrived after putting off the decision for quite a while. But following the introduction of the simple Thai Pass procedure I had no excuse to overcome my apprehension that it would turn out to be a mistake. i booked the £650 airfare through Expedia on Qatar Airline departing Manchester and changing flights almost half way at Doha. I thought about paying for business class but my economy upbringing caused me to save £800 with the penalty of 13 hours of mild discomfort. Arriving at Subanaphumi at 8.20 pm I found emigration an extremely smooth and efficient process putting the recent chaos at U.K. airports to shame. My Thai Pass was subject to a preliminary check during the long walk from the gate, but there were no queues at all at the desks. On approaching I hesitated when I saw that evidence of a hotel reservation was one of the requirements. I had a reservation at the Ambiance via booking.com but I had not brought a print out or saved the evidence on my phone or iPad. But the Pass, the Visa waver, and my passport got me through. Approaching the carrousel I was surprised to find my bag already circling and 5 minutes later I was on my way via the motorway. It could not have been much more that 2 hours from stepping off the plane to stepping into the Ambiance Hotel, where I had booked 3 nights. i was not intending to go out but after unpacking and establishing that I had omitted several items like my iPhone/ iPad charger and after taking a shower I ventured into a very quiet Boystown, which nevertheless looked exactly the same as during my last visit. Taking a motor bike taxi I arrived at Sunee to see that the only sign of significant life was Winner Boys, where outside there was two tables with boys entertaining I think 3 customers, who had recently abandoned the interior Gogo. Two boys joined me wearing rather sexy speedos to chat about the current state of the gay economy, which I helped by buying two boy drinks and giving both a tip. I had to steel myself to hold to my plan of not offing, rather to have a good sleep and wind down after the journey (I’m really too old for this long distance travel and sex tourism). So ended my first day by writing this report.

At Scandic Massage near the Second Road entrance into Boyztown, you choose your boy from outside, you go inside the shop with him to the cashier at the far end where you are told '1,500 baht for massage and sex with boy' and you pay that up-front - an 'all in' payment so to speak for massage and a shag 😅 I found out later that the boy himself got half that, so I would usually give my regular lad an extra tip in the room - but that certainly wasn't expected. Royal House Massage, I was told that, aside from the massage payment, that the boy would expect 1,000 baht tip and I recall noticing that as the massage commenced there was a condom and lube put ready and my lad (no English), just completed the massage, and without a word, put on the condom, lubed-up and got to work! 🤣 I have had a lad at a massage shop behind Tukom seemingly delighted that I gave him 300 baht after a successful hand-job - he assumed at first that that was me just paying the 300 massage fee. At Soda Massage in Jomtien Complex, I give 1,000 for mutual blow-jobs and happy endings, and up to 2,000 if penetrative sex took place. In Foxy Massage, just up from Soda, a gay boy there specifically negotiated 2k for me to shag him at the end of the massage. But in most cases, I have usually negotiated with the boy as to what he would do and how much. For me negotiation time is when the back massage is complete and I have turned over and my little flag-pole is waving happily at him.

Day 14 and the last night before I fly home tomorrow morning. After pool and lunch, I tried @reader suggestion I-Come Massage. Clean place. Nice location along the main soi. Guy on duty at front desk showed me photos of massage guys on his iPad after I told him I confirmed on aloe vera massage. "Which guy is gay?" I asked. Then he scrolled back to the first photo and started identifying them. "Bi. Man. Gay. Bi. Bi. Man. Gay." I took a look and chose the last guy. Manager went inside and called gay massage guy out. Polite fellow. He led me to 3rd floor to a room where there is a shower enclosed in a tube. Speaks very good English because his mum is a English schoolteacher. Thai and 25 years old. We agreed on special massage which was memorable and fun. After both of us had cum, I wanted to shower but he insisted that he give me shoulder, back and foot massage. Very professional. After we showered together, I was happy to give him 1.5k tip. I wanted his Line id but he said to Line me through the massage shop's official Line account. A right proper schoolteacher's son who follows rules! I definitely will go back in December to see him. I noticed an interesting cafe diagonally opposite I-Come Massage and I went in. It was a cafe that sold cannabis infused tea and cakes. Being curious, I ordered one ice tea and one slice of chocolate cake. Not much effect after I ate them. But one hour later back at the hotel, I started getting high. For the next 3 hours, all my sensations were magnified. A friend had earlier asked me out for tea at the hotel restaurant at 5pm so I met him. I was feeling light headed and everything seemed to pass me in a daze. Halfway through my tea time chat with my friend, I said to him, "I'm so sorry. I can't remember half of what we were talking about. I'm feeling high because I had some cannabis just now. Do you mind if I go off early?" No problem, he said and I went back to room. I vomitted the chocolate cake out, cleaned myself. drank plain water and went to sleep. At about 7pm, I got up and felt much better. I had a slight headache akin to a hangover but I could function normally more or less. I feel like giving feedback to the cafe - maybe they should lower the level of cannabis in their chocolate cake! At 9pm, I made my way to New Twilight. I still had 3/4 bottle of Jack Daniels left from Thursday night. There was a special Pride Night show tonight. 5 drag queens were specially hired and these are experienced divas with a lot of showmanship. Rainbow flag was even waved about during the show. Many customers tonight but not a full house. Mostly Thais. There was a group of 10 local customers and they were celebrating one of their birthdays. Drag queens and staff sang happy birthday to birthday boy and there was even a birthday cake. After special Pride Night show, it reverted to normal New Twilight show at about 10.30pm. But first, the 12 guys working today paraded on stage. Sigh. Why are they fully dressed? It was only after the show ended 45 minutes later that the guys came up again but this time without shirt. I contemplated offing one of them. But then I looked at twinky waiter whom I had already offed 3 times and I knew his quality. Will the New Twilight guys kiss as well as twinky waiter? Will they even kiss? I asked twinky waiter, "Tonight Long Time, you ok?" He said yes and I was happy as a boy receiving Santa's presents on Christmas Day. But we must finish by 7am in morning because I need to pack and go to airport. He said no problem. I still had some whisky left and arranged for 9 shot glasses to be prepared on a tray. I poured all the whisky into the shot glasses to the brim. And it was just nice. No leftover whisky in the bottle. I brought the tray to the stage and offered each of the 9 guys on stage a glass plus a 100-baht tip. Wait, there were 12 guys at first. Where's the other 3? They were seated with customers. I hope they don't feel jealous! Twinky waiter and I went back to hotel room. We only did short time and it was all sex during our previous 3 sessions but now that it was long time, we could make it a romantic overnighter. At 7am he left happily and I told him I will find him again in December during Christmas. End of Day 14 and end of my trip report.

What I don't understand: Why are the owners such desinterested in how mamasans manage their bars? If a mamasan is cheating customers and boys, it is very likely she will cheat the owner too.

That was the 1st sign there would be trouble, even just reading it, I knew is was going downhill from there , lol

It looks like they are doing it again. A boy told me they just started yesterday. There must be more than 30 boys in that

due to religious reasons I do not include farangs in any mulitisomes

extending bar hours till 5 a.m. so parents returning from them won't wake up children in middle of the night like right now

In a traditional massage or foot massage shop I have always worked off the premise that the tip is commensurate with the shop fee So 200b oil/foot/traditional massage should result in a 200b tip. Same for 300 etc. As for bad service, BF says pay in coins, that's what's given to beggars and can cause a face loss for them.... That's of course if you are prepared to face the consequences of said face loss!

yes, when exactly in November will you be back in Bangkok? @vinapu let me see if I can squeeze in a weekend trip jiust to meet you and shake your hand again!

I am 68 and far too old for these sort of places, but my long long time drags me off to them notwithstanding, but the saving grace is that by the time I am heading there, usually post midnight, I am getting happily drunk, and when they close (about 2am, Hollywood is usually even earlier), and I am being dragged to a karaoke bar (smaller rooms, even louder music), I am usually sufficiently inebriated to just stand there with a happy smile on my face taking in the boys and the atmosphere 😅 until I am led back to our room to sleep for what's left of the night. 14.68 vid 02.43.mp4 (Friendly Club Karaoke - about 3am haha)

My advice to Olddaddy and anyone else facing disappointing service is "mai pen rai"; take it in your stride. You are on holiday and I suspect (and hope ) that the loss of a 100bht note won't result in your going hungry. And I'd say the same if it's 1000bht wasted on an unhappy app encounter or bar off. In such circumstances, pay and get rid of the miscreant quickly. Shrug your shoulders and say "Next time, it'll be better..." Perhaps there may even be lessons leaned from your choice of visitor or masseur. If you wish to make a moral stand, choose an issue of more importance.

Only three times do I remember calling off a massage in Thailand. Twice iit was due to repeated request for tip before, or immediately after, massage started.. I paid the shop the fee but did not tip and told manager why. The third time occurred after guy agreed to 1200 but then demanded 1500 five minutes into massage. Best advice is to follow your instincts. If it’s going down hill early, it’s unlikely to improve with time. All three instances were rare and all took place over 5-6 years ago, as I recall. Any time now a guy asks me in advance how much I pay, I assure him the best way to get a good tip is to do a good job.

A few years ago BBB (Boyz Boyz Boyz) the largest Gogo bar in Boyztown, used to have their models parade up and down the Boyztown street before opening time. Now that they have restarted operations after Covid, they seem to have reintroduced this. Shame they are dressed as if they are all on their way home.

There could be many reasons. It can be a sign of comfort to be able to just sit with someone you know very well already and don't need to make small talk just for the sake of it. They might be waiting for friends to arrive, or maybe he is happy to just not sit alone. I try not to judge others, everyone finds happiness in their own way

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It's the smile. It worked eighteen years ago and the guy who provided it is still enjoying the consequences. As I am. And just to confirm how correct z909 is, I remember his telling me soon after we met about the advice he gave to a newbie at his bar. In one word, smile.

Day 12 Soon after they left I realized that today is supposed to be a DAY for me as I hoped I will be able , after multi year waiting, to off Handsome Cambodian ( HC )from Jupiter, dream of mine for a good while. So by my own choice I switched today to “ wait for the evening “ mode. Going for breakfast I notice Suwit waiting already in front of the shop , still closed that early , so grabbed him and we went for breakfast at BayView, it was actually nice , breezy morning. As he knew , today I’m returning to Bangkok, we kissed good bye , literally in middle of the soi as neither of us is that shy. Then I went to the room to pack and at noon on the dot I left for Jomtien bus station to catch my 1 pm bus for which I bought ticket yesterday. I took motorsai for 50 baht. Bus was full. Heavy traffic and it took 2 hours to get to Swampy so in the hotel I was close to 4 p.m. You know what was on my mind all that time. My hotel now for next 3 nights will be Furama Exclusive Sathorn, in sub soi close to both soi 3 where Baan Silom is and to Chong Nonsi station. After Raya, it's becoming my most favorite hotel in Silom area , big rooms with balconies and breakfast included, no problems with visitors, there are always some taxis, motorsais and tuktuks waiting outside and there’s cheap local restaurant across the soi. Breakfast is buffet type, not very sophisticated but varied and adequate enough with few Asian dishes so our guys may have choice they prefer. As weekend was looming I went to XOne to exchange money, stocked there with 100 baht notes – I like them because they gladly provide few thousands in low denominations on request. I picked up glasses I ordered right after arrival, had banana pancake in soi where New Twilight is, then went to the room to spruce up and went to realize hopefully my dream and mission. But first stop to get courage was at Hot Male downstairs, reader and anddy were there, tiny Lao was happy to see me again, always nice , enjoyable and not expensive time there. After 9 , with pulse probably beating at 80 / my normal is 50-54 / I marched to Jupter. Not many people inside which was surprising considering it’s Friday but it was still early, artic cold and music volume at idiotic level but for now those were none of my problems. Drink ordered and I start looking around where my HC is. Nowhere, soon boys parade started, nope. But I noticed that S, whom I offed from NewTwilight on my 3rd night moved to Jupiter now, during parade I slipped him 100 baht in exchange for smile. Offable material but not for price he wanted then and definitely not tonight for obvious reason. Very rarely I ask for mamasan’s help but there was no choice. Due to level of noise conversation , mouth to ear was like that : “ is HC working today? “ , ‘ do you want boy?”, screaming ‘ is HC working today? “ , ‘’ which boy you want ?”, then he decided to ask another one to help me . Answer was freezing ‘ not working today” but before I got heart attack or something soothing “ I can call him” came. 100 baht changed hands, in few minutes he came that HC will be here in 20 minutes so my pulse went down to normal I guess and I even feel that noise and cold is somewhat more bearable. Finally he got there roughly at start of show , recognized me in the instant , after all we talked last weekend and quite possibly mamasan described that “KFC looking idiot is asking for you “ or something. I asked if he wants to stay for the show, yes, so we stay, in meantime I secured long time ( finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) , asked for expected compensation ( top of the line but not more that I was willing to fork out, I lost my head over him but some brain was preserved in the neck I guess and I had my limit ) so all looked good but he was sitting bit stiff as to avoid any casual body contact , arms crossed at times. Did not object my hand on his knee but he did not bother with any touches , not that I expected much but I still be happy with even pat on the back. After show it got better because we left, no problem walking, not hungry , we just bought some drinks at 7/11, he is talkative and English is good so my spirit went up. In the room no problem whatsoever , shower together OK, body still lean and muscular, all the same when I got struck seeing him first time exercising with Art in front of BBB. So he took good care of himself during covid. Protested when I told him he is so handsome, “I’m not handsome “ but when I told him ‘ for me you are “ , which in fact it is what I think, he was happy. So thing were going very well but they stopped when we moved to long time part. “ Don’t do this’, ‘ I don’t like this “, “ I’m tired and want to sleep “ etc. So I felt like cold water bucket was emptied over me as my romantic night dreamed about for 3 or 4 years turned to turf war over pillow and duvet. I was devastated but not entirely surprised and thus not upset, only disappointed that dream of my own creation shattered , I just gave up on being close . To his credit in the morning he was not in rush at all, to a point that we missed breakfast in hotel and converted himself to be more accessible. So day 12 which I hoped will be day of days this trip finished with me hanging my head low. And is not HC fault, it’s mine as I hoped for much more based on my dreams. Now, few weeks since , I clearly see I was overreacting , actually one of our members who knows HC brought me to my senses soon after saying rightly ‘finally you got him long time ! “ But that morning, day after, I felt dramatically disappointed. I presented this story to readers to act as warning – we should not build any hopes beyond what we can reasonably expect in standard, after all commercial, relationships. Result of this drama of my own creation is that yes , I will be still looking for HC whenever I’ll be in BKK, I will off him LT if he will be willing and I’d even consider him as trip companion. What I will not do is ask mamasan to call him and in fact any boy over, no, I must see him eye to eye like all other guys in bars. If there’s smile, it’s a deal, smile absent , next please. Day 12 is over.

most massage places have it just to ensure boy is properly compensated . It also indicates that more than massage is available. In some places I noticed boys have their individual minimum tip. Don't assume that for minimum tip you can do with him whatever you want, some will offer just hand job, some will go all the way but is always will be more than just a massage. I use my own rate 1000 / hr, 1500/1.5 hr but if minimum tip is higher I pay higher rate. ( I see spoon answered thread at the same minute so hope I'm not repeating what he says)

At 10pm, I went to Freshboys. Many guys and now they wear white shorts. Decent lot of customers waiting for show to start. I saw the handsome guy whom I offed last week and I motioned to him to sit with me. After telling him to order drink, I told him through Google Translate that I would not be offing him. Not because he doesn't speak English but because he is man and doesn't kiss. Of course I didn't tell him the last sentence! I looked at the guys on stage. Nada. No connection. No chemistry. I paid for drinks, said goodbye to no-English guy and even gave him a tip. I went to New Twilight. Quiet night. Not more than 8 guys altogether. Fully clothed. Fewer than 5 customers. The bar must be bleeding baht at a serious rate every night. Location is really no good. Mamasan agrees. "Must have more promotion," mamasan adds. Being formerly from Moonlight, he knows the magic formula for a full house every night. I saw twinky waiter guy and I asked him if he is ok to go out with me. Sure, he says and off we went back to hotel room for kissing session.

Day 12 was a much quieter affair compared to previous crazy night at Tawan. After T left my hotel room at 11 in morning, I went for coffee at Starbucks while waiting for hotel staff to clean the room. Toilet tends to be in a mess when T overnights. Lo and behold who do I see at Starbucks but @flashbarryallen I thought he was already on his way to Pattaya but last minute his driver changed time. So we had half an hour to chit chat. We talked about AFIs (Area for improvment) to make future Jockstrap Nights better. My suggestion is to have a second host speaking in English. Eventually his driver arrived and off he went to Pattaya. The rest of the day was spent slacking in hotel room. At the stroke of 9, I went off to Foodland for dinner and then to Hotmale beer bar. Alex was off. Aung was on duty by himself and there weren't any other customer so your truly could chat with Aung non-stop. Very funny fella. He says he loves watching Korean drama serials and after work, he would watch until 9am in the morning before finally sleeping!

When T and I arrived at Tawan, every Tawan guy was already in jockstrap! Crazy atmosphere. About 10 or so customers. Some of them could not believe what they were seeing. @flashbarryallen was seated in centre with some Tawan guys and 2 bottles of Jack Daniels open. T and I went to sit with them and were given straws. The judging had already started. 3 Tawan guys would go up on stage at a time and flex and pose and audience members gave them straws if they approved. Lots of creative ways to give the straws. Yes, The Vinapu Tuck was seen several times. There was a Tawan staff acting as the host and dictating proceedings. After all Tawan guys had their chance to showcase themselves, normal Tawan show started - ladyboy singing, big cock show, etc. But today's show is shortened to make way for Final Round of Jockstrap Night. 4 Tawan guys with most straws in first round were invited on stage and audience members had a wild time giving their straws to their favourites. Top 3 revealed and @flashbarryallen and I presented 1000-baht garlands on the winners. We also invited a farang customer to give out one garland. Wild racuous night. Everyone enjoyed themselves. Lots of tipping by the two debaunched individuals who had organised this event. Both used up all 100-baht notes in wallets and pockets. At midnight, bar had to close. T and I accompanied @flashbarryallen back to Raya to make sure he got back safely. He had been drinking non-stop the whole night. As we were walking along Surawong Road, Tawan bottom guy shouted "Hi" to us as he rode his Vespa scooter past us. Cute guy is smallest size among Tawan guys and he genuinely enjoy being bottom in the shows. Satisfied that @flashbarryallen was alright, T and I went back to hotel room for our time together until the next morning.

it may be truth in that. Next time some member will condemn me for paying excessive tips I need to recall that sentence even if , in my case is not true but as Italians say ' si non e vero e ben trovato" or something like that which translates to ' even if not true, well invented".

As with many "gay" movies, I found this one dreadful. Insufferably bad. Now I realize that I'm no ordinary homo. I may be an elitist with high-brow taste, but I can also enjoy camp and silliness, if it's well done and makes me laugh out loud. This movie is nothing but stereotype cliche, an insult to Asian gays, and bad acting. The script stinks, too. The premise - finding love or a good fuck between rich and poor on Fire Island - is absolutely unoriginal and uninspired. The creators like to equate this effort as a gay Pride and Prejudice, and that just makes me want to VOMIT. There aren't many great film representations of Fire Island so I was curious to see how they managed the camera work. I had my fingers crossed and hoped for the best. I couldn't wait for the film to be over. There isn't one character I enjoyed. Not one character I would like to share a drink with. This drug/sex theme on Fire Island is SO TIRED. So 1980's porn. How anyone who survived AIDS can stomach this painful banality is beyond me. I've written quite a bit about my life on Fire Island over at the other place. When you live and visit a house that is not drug or sex motivated, the experience is otherworldly. I long for someone new and talented to create that side of Fire Island. This was not it.

The only interaction I have with mamasans is a polite small talk if they approach me but no more than that. if I want a boy I am just waving him to come and sit with me and if I like him I off the boy. I never used a mamasan as mediator between me and the boys because I know they tend to raise the prices,asked for tips, recommend the boys whom give them bigger share of the fee and smirch the boys they don't like so I really don't need their 'services'.

Not quite the same situation but I recall a masseur years ago in Boyztown who was offed for ten days or so by a falang and had to spend the day sitting with him on the terrace, he on his phone, the falang reading a book. Not only that; the falang had LT-offed two masseurs. There they sat, one on each side of him, day after day, bored and frustrated. I assumed they had to ask permission to go for a ching-chong!

From the Points Guy Thailand and North America will soon be reconnected with nonstop flights. Air Canada on Monday announced that it will launch seasonal service on Dec. 1 between its hub at Vancouver International Airport (YVR) and Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK). The service, on a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, will operate four times weekly. The final eastbound departure from Bangkok is scheduled for April 17. The westbound flight, AC65, departs Vancouver at 11 p.m. and arrives in Bangkok at 5:55 a.m. two days later, all times local. The eastbound flight, AC66, departs Bangkok at 8:30 a.m. and arrives at 6:35 a.m. in Vancouver. That flight technically arrives before it departs, a quirk of eastbound travel over the International Date Line. The new flight will be a welcome addition for travelers, particularly those loyal to the Star Alliance, looking to get between North America and Thailand. Most itineraries between North America and Thailand currently require a stop in East Asia, generally at Incheon International Airport (ICN) near Seoul or at one of Tokyo’s two airports — Narita International Airport (NRT) or Haneda Airport (HND). The timing of this flight — a late-night departure westbound and an early-morning arrival eastbound — allows for a maximum number of same-day connecting options. Air Canada’s new flight is the first nonstop between North America and Thailand since 2012, when Thai Airways ended its nonstop service between Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and Bangkok, according to Cirium schedule data. Thai Airways also had a nonstop between Bangkok and New York City’s John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) that lasted between 2005 and 2008. In addition, United Airlines operated a one-stop service to Bangkok via Tokyo Narita until 2014. ========================== From the Thaiger Thai Airways is finally resuming its Bangkok – Perth flight route after a two year suspension due to the Covid-19 pandemic. A Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner will fly on the route 3 times a week starting next month. The first scheduled Bangkok – Perth flight will take off from Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi airport on July 5. As of today (June 20), a one-way ticket on the route in July costs 13,000 baht – around 528 AUD – on the Thai Airways website. The flight time duration is 6 hours 45 minutes.

If he penetrated mind just as effective 🙂

I was first but if you want I can yield to you

I KNEW IT !! 😆

The 1st time I ate an edible, I ate the whole thing, like a dessert. Followed by 8 hrs of unpleasantness.....My friends that eat them all the time, were laughing. Because supposedly you eat it in little pieces over time to keep the buzz going. It's like drinking a bottle of Vodka all at once instead of taking the drinks in a little at a time....how they explained it to me. I won't try them again....probably.

I'm flying via Toronto. 6 hour flight to Bogota. My friend Carlos is flying in from Bucaramanga.

Agreed. It could be a good opportunity for any photographer expats out there, even if it is for a small fee or free it could be a fun side project if you have a decent camera and some skills. I take my X-T30 and a lens or two with me when I travel, maybe I'll offer Paul a free shoot with my very-novice photography skills when I return (if he wants it).

thank you for the pictures , I see few familiar faces and if there , I would be interested in new guy, whole in black on the last picture . Glad that old tradition came to life again

It's beyond my understanding to chase straight guys whom are not interested in dating gay falang and even if they finally agree they are clearly playing 'gay for pay' role and are not enjoying it.

There is a saying....if it's too loud ..your too old !😂 Unfortunately I'm old too 😁

I'm not saying no, but not this trip as it was my last night in Pattaya and I returned to Bangkok as we learn when I post next day later today (or tomorrow for those who are in different time zone ). While I liked those two multi boys nights I must state that my preference is still one on one . Multi boys may be more fun but one on one is more romantic. That gives me idea for next time if they still be there and I find them still attractive - dinner together than drinking in the room for fun part , then boys sent away with exception of one designated to be romantic partner for that night. Why I say " if I find them still attractive " ? This is a life . I don't meant particularly those three but most likely most of us experienced it in the past . Guy we salivated about last trip , all of the sudden doesn't seem to be so glorious now even if nothing changed. Or even worse - he doesn't seem to pay any attention to us, avoiding even eye contact or pretending we never met. Of course it works both ways, guy previously overlooked now shines like a star and one who sported blank eye then, now is all smiles and winks. Actual off seems to be often breaking point. I used to have big hots for certain model offed him twice despite some antics on first off and only after 2nd time when those antics were repeated I realized that hots are gone for good. On another hand X featuring in my trip stories never paid any attention to me when he was in bar to extend then in order to off him I searched help of another member but after first , somewhat forced off we hit it on with multiple repeats. No double my handsomeness is the factor, otherwise what it could be ?

I read somewhere that some airlines are suspected to ask for YF vacc. proof when flight is overbooked or seats are needed, as they know that there will always be some unvaccinated pax at check-in. I witnessed it myself at the GRU check-in counters for a AV flight to BOG.

I drink lots of milk....and not the kind you are thinking dirty mind 😉

I asked Alex whether he would go out with me for karaoke. He was shy and non-commital. "Ask Aung. Aung likes to sing also." What! Quiet and reserved Aung is a closet karaoke singer? To prove it, Alex showed me a video on his handphone. It showed a private karaoke room and yes, Aung was singing. @paulsf Please take note! Anyway I managed to get Alex and Aung to tentatively agree to go to karaoke with me in December. Alex is busy moving to new apartment on his off day tomorrow and Friday and Saturday their boss doesn't allow them to miss work. At about 7pm my boyfriend T arrived. He was so sweet to agree to go to Tawan tonight with me even though he is not into muscle guys. T saw Alex and they started talking. They are old friends. Then I remembered they are from Myanmar. My chances of karaoke with Alex has improved significantly. I will get T to persude him! December karaoke with the two As and T!

In addition, a minor complication had developed for this jockstrap event. The Tawan staff who bought the jockstraps was down with Covid and nobody was going to his place to collect the jockstraps. So @flashbarryallen would have to buy them! Not a big problem. We just have to wait for underwear stalls at Silom Road to open in evening. But hang on, I asked @flashbarryallen "Why can they ask another staff to buy?" Shrugged shoulders. Welcome to Thailand. Next, regarding the prizes. I suggested awarding them in the form of 1000-baht garlands. I had wooden pegs and string and that's how @flashbarryallen ended up in my hotel room at Le Meridien. I showed him the room and he was impressed by it. He is staying at Raya. Le Meridien more modern and comfortable but of course nothing beats Raya's infamous glass shower. Both hotels unfortunately require guests to cross busy road to get to bars and Michelin star restaurant. At 6pm, @flashbarryallen and I proceeded to Tawan to speak to the staff. The guys at the entrance were bewildered and didn't know what we were talking about. Eventually old-timer mamasan appeared and we spoke to him. We showed him our sample garland and gave him the wooden pegs. No staples please. We want the deserving winners to be able to get their cash prizes easily after the show. @flashbarryallen passed the money in 1000-baht notes in advance. The bar will have to change them to 100-baht notes and prepare 6 garlands in advance. We also gave them paper coloured straws for the audience voting. We decided that every audience member will receive straws and they can insert straws in the guys jockstraps to choose their favourite. From Tawan, @flashbarryallen and I walked through Soi 6 to Silom Road. There was one stall selling underwear at 150 baht each. Buy 10 and get 1 free. I knew there was another stall outside Soi 4 so we walked there to check their selection and prices. They were there but had just arrived and were setting up their table and lights. So we ended at HotMale beer bar. I formally introduced Alex. @flashbarryallen decided to go back to Raya to have shower and get ready for this special night. I got out my handphone and started typing trip report for yesterday i.e. Day 10.

sound volume is always problem at Dreamboys and to a bit lesser degree at Jupiter too I like the name , no need to assign the blame. By adding THE I even feel elevated above my weight in those matters. As you see, even boy felt he need to give you some tutoring. At earliest chance try VINAPU COCTAIL, 60 % of gin and 40% of gin. I tip that way in most cases for two reason , selfish and practical. Selfish because I want to have some feel for my money, practical because I usually tip guy with a view of possible off in the future, however distant and deep tuck allows me assess presence of pubic hairs, I don't like guys clean shaven THERE. If bar was closed suddenly or even just closed it means boys will slowly dissipate but may congregate here and there; there's your chance on any night with bonus of avoiding drink and off fee. Just walk with eyes opened and you may catch somebody suitable. In fact this is modus of operandi of one of our members, recently quite quiet. He likes the hunt, money saving it's just side effect. But from @flashbarryallen narrative it looks that you utilized my advice before even it was given and I'm glad to see that.

Day 10. Pool day but different pool. Pool at Le Meridien was undergoing repair and renovation for 3 days. Hotel arranged with sister hotel Marriot Suriwongse for guests who needed gym and pool to use facilities. I took up the offer as I wanted to try Suriwongse's infinity pool. Nice views I must say from the pool but I wouldn't stay at Suriwongse. Too far from gogo bars. Boys will surely complain about walking. At 9pm, I went to Hot Male beer bar for my Chang draught beer. Aung on duty at bar upstairs. Alex would only appear later. Was served by other waiters. Was in midst of getting to know when @flashbarryallen appeared. He had just arrived in BKK and we had arranged to meet. Gosh! We hit it off so quickly chatting about bars and boys. @flashbarryallen was back in Thailand after 2 years of Covid and was super excited to make up for lost time. At about 10.20pm, we made our way into Dreamboys. I shamelessly insisted we sit right in the middle in front of stage. Guys in jeans. @flashbarryallen saw guy whom he met many years ago and called him down. Muscular but not hard muscles. Smooth skin. No tattoos at all which is uncommon among muscle guys. I looked at guys on rotation. Some familiar faces from other bars pre-Covid. But music was really loud. Show started with coyote dancing. 3 boys took turns to dance in front of customers. @flashbarryallen gave his first 100-baht tip post Covid to a coyote dancer in blue briefs. I also gave a tip to the same boy but boy took my hand to stuff it into his blue briefs. We both need to have more practice to do THE VINAPU TUCK. @vinapu take note, I didn't give the name. It was@flashbarryallen who suggested the name! Coyote dancing was highlight of show. After that, the other performances just paled in comparison. Ladyboy lip synching was below par. The 4 dancers who accompanied ladyboy were good though. I recognise some of them from Lucky Boys. @flashbarryallen took his guy out and I continued watching the show. Just before the last act (2 pairs of guys sucking each other) the oher guys started getting dressed. After the 4 guys ended their act, a few guys came and stood on stage full clothed for less than one minute for any possible offs and then they headed to the exit. Mamasans then started telling everyone, "Bar close. Bar close." There were still about 5 customers left, some with bottle service and some with shirtless guys seated next to them. I left the bar and saw all the beer bars shuttered and lights off. At the entrance of soi patpong, there were about 10 policemen standing around. No chance to off anyone for me today.

yes but on pain of being impolite - who is asking you ? It was me who paid that after all and I was with the guy so I can assess if fee is excessive or not knowing what I got in exchange . You can say is that it's a lot of money and it's easy to get some company for much less but qualify expense ? Not enough information I'd say. There are not many countries and probably none in the West where we can get 1st class guy for 5000 baht for the whole night, quick mutual blow job in toilet on platform 5 perhaps yes, but overnight? Nothing wrong with setting ceiling , like yours 3000, mine simply is 2000 more perhaps because guys I like are somewhat rarer on the market . That's price ceiling we put on our dreams I guess. But by setting such restriction we need to accept that we may be missing some really hot action with even hotter guys.

I’ve never really been one for writing trip reports. Nothing I put together is going to have numazu’s flare. I also have zero interest in others critiquing my negotiation tactics with the boys which are basically predicated on the fact that a night out where I live that does not involve two “lean and toned and fully vers and passionate” guys that are two-thirds my age costs a good deal more than what I spent at Lagoa on the first night I was there. That said, I have learned a good deal from this forum that was very useful when I first started traveling to Thailand several years ago and, at least of late, there has been a dearth of trip reports containing current info so (and against my better judgment), here goes: On Wednesday at Lagoa boys outnumbered clients by a good bit. Even though there were only two boys that really did it for me, most of the boys there were attractive, especially if you like muscle. Negotiations started at 200 in both cases and ended at 150 because, well, they were both really hot and I did not travel here to quibble over 50 R. In both cases though I’m pretty sure they would have agreed to 100 which leads me to Saturday night…. On Thursday, I met Gabriel at Lagoa who was absolutely gorgeous. Negotiations started at 200 and quickly ended at 100 as soon as I offered it. We ended up spending the entire night together though so I gave him more which seemed to make him very happy. While I was with him I learned that he had literally arrive the day before from Minas Gerais. Friday, I traveled to Rio and went to Point 202. Client to boy ratio favored clients just as it did at Lagoa. At Point there were two guys that did it for me and just as it did at Lagoa negotiations started at 200 and ended at 150. In this case though, I’m not quite as sure they would have gone lower if I had pushed. Unfortunately, both guys were mechanical when we got into the cabins and I don’t think I will be seeing either one of them again. I also don’t like the cabins at Point very much. The ones at Lagoa are nicer. Saturday morning in Rio I met a 23 year old using the apps. He was a total bottom which is not usually my thing but he had an incredible body and said he wanted me to “help him with his English” so I agreed to met him figuring that he would probably try and get some money out of me at some point but, well, that never happened. He really was just a hot 23 year old that liked bottoming for someone that was about 15 years older than him. If you’re wondering, yes, I did help him with his English too. He had a lot of questions which I answered as best I could. We spent most of the next few days together and I never made it to 117. A picture of him is attached to hopefully make my post a bit more interesting. Last night I was back in SP and I spent it with Tiago who was one of the guys I met on my first night at Lagoa.

My point above about ladyboys was a bit subtle and I am not picking on you Z. However, I never really understand why all gay men can't just accept the YUGE differences in our community. I don't want sex with ladyboys (most of the time) but they are part of the culture and I welcome them. I have seen on the forums too many comments that are negative about ladyboys, fem boys, gay boys, etc. What some like others do not, vice versa. Coming out in NYC for me was an odd place as things were so segregated. There were clubs that catered to just gay Latinos or butch lesbians or drag queens, etc. What I have always preferred is a place that is inclusive of all and accepts all. Ladyboys, fat ladyboys, gay boys, fem boys, manly guys, and not gay boys but gay for pay. All should be openly welcome IMHO. As far as the shape, most people do not like bigger guys or ladyboys. Yet, look at the crowd. It is a variety of shapes, sizes, colors, ages, etc. Each one has their own likes and preferences. Good bars should have something for everyone. But, I would never presume that my type is other people's desired type. If that were the case, Thailand gogo bars would be filled with only tattooed bad boys.