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When T and I arrived at Tawan, every Tawan guy was already in jockstrap! Crazy atmosphere. About 10 or so customers. Some of them could not believe what they were seeing. @flashbarryallen was seated in centre with some Tawan guys and 2 bottles of Jack Daniels open. T and I went to sit with them and were given straws. The judging had already started. 3 Tawan guys would go up on stage at a time and flex and pose and audience members gave them straws if they approved. Lots of creative ways to give the straws. Yes, The Vinapu Tuck was seen several times. There was a Tawan staff acting as the host and dictating proceedings. After all Tawan guys had their chance to showcase themselves, normal Tawan show started - ladyboy singing, big cock show, etc. But today's show is shortened to make way for Final Round of Jockstrap Night. 4 Tawan guys with most straws in first round were invited on stage and audience members had a wild time giving their straws to their favourites. Top 3 revealed and @flashbarryallen and I presented 1000-baht garlands on the winners. We also invited a farang customer to give out one garland. Wild racuous night. Everyone enjoyed themselves. Lots of tipping by the two debaunched individuals who had organised this event. Both used up all 100-baht notes in wallets and pockets. At midnight, bar had to close. T and I accompanied @flashbarryallen back to Raya to make sure he got back safely. He had been drinking non-stop the whole night. As we were walking along Surawong Road, Tawan bottom guy shouted "Hi" to us as he rode his Vespa scooter past us. Cute guy is smallest size among Tawan guys and he genuinely enjoy being bottom in the shows. Satisfied that @flashbarryallen was alright, T and I went back to hotel room for our time together until the next morning.

Day 11 is highlight of my trip and it is all thanks to @flashbarryallen New friend that I met yesterday and we clicked on so many levels. He went to Arena for massage and as I happened to be at Foodland Patpong for lunch when he just finished his massage, I waited for him. He arrived and ordered @vinapu favourite dish and we started chatting about his interesting plan for tonight but we moved on to other topics and we chatted about practically everything like two school girls. I think we ended up chatting for at least 5 hours. We adjourned to Starbucks to chat and then continued chatting at my hotel room. All totally unplanned with one thing leading to another very spontaneously. Before he arrived in Bangkok, he had contacted Tawan to suggest a special jockstrap night. Guys would be in jockstraps and there would be a competition for top 3 guys in jockstraps. @flashbarryallen would sponsor the cash prizes. I think the owner and manager didn't really believe he was serious. That's why they didn't promote the event on their Facebook page until just yesterday. While @flashbarryallen came up with the grand idea, he hadn't done any detailed planning and that's how I ended up being the accomplice. The critical Singaporean in me started going into the nitty gritty and I asked him questions. "How are you giving the cash prizes?" "Ermmm.. in envelopes?" "How is the voting done?" "Get the audience members to raise their hands? Write on pieces of paper?" Oh my gosh! This fellow is heading for a disaster!

Inside their pants when I can, although one diminutive twink on stage in Cupidol in Boyztown seemed a little hesitant, and when I pulled open his pants to stuff the note inside, and take a quick peek inside of course, the poor lad had a ball of scrunched-up toilet-roll down there to 'enhance' his allure on stage 😂 (didn't put me off offing him on future occasions)

Day 10. Pool day but different pool. Pool at Le Meridien was undergoing repair and renovation for 3 days. Hotel arranged with sister hotel Marriot Suriwongse for guests who needed gym and pool to use facilities. I took up the offer as I wanted to try Suriwongse's infinity pool. Nice views I must say from the pool but I wouldn't stay at Suriwongse. Too far from gogo bars. Boys will surely complain about walking. At 9pm, I went to Hot Male beer bar for my Chang draught beer. Aung on duty at bar upstairs. Alex would only appear later. Was served by other waiters. Was in midst of getting to know when @flashbarryallen appeared. He had just arrived in BKK and we had arranged to meet. Gosh! We hit it off so quickly chatting about bars and boys. @flashbarryallen was back in Thailand after 2 years of Covid and was super excited to make up for lost time. At about 10.20pm, we made our way into Dreamboys. I shamelessly insisted we sit right in the middle in front of stage. Guys in jeans. @flashbarryallen saw guy whom he met many years ago and called him down. Muscular but not hard muscles. Smooth skin. No tattoos at all which is uncommon among muscle guys. I looked at guys on rotation. Some familiar faces from other bars pre-Covid. But music was really loud. Show started with coyote dancing. 3 boys took turns to dance in front of customers. @flashbarryallen gave his first 100-baht tip post Covid to a coyote dancer in blue briefs. I also gave a tip to the same boy but boy took my hand to stuff it into his blue briefs. We both need to have more practice to do THE VINAPU TUCK. @vinapu take note, I didn't give the name. It was@flashbarryallen who suggested the name! Coyote dancing was highlight of show. After that, the other performances just paled in comparison. Ladyboy lip synching was below par. The 4 dancers who accompanied ladyboy were good though. I recognise some of them from Lucky Boys. @flashbarryallen took his guy out and I continued watching the show. Just before the last act (2 pairs of guys sucking each other) the oher guys started getting dressed. After the 4 guys ended their act, a few guys came and stood on stage full clothed for less than one minute for any possible offs and then they headed to the exit. Mamasans then started telling everyone, "Bar close. Bar close." There were still about 5 customers left, some with bottle service and some with shirtless guys seated next to them. I left the bar and saw all the beer bars shuttered and lights off. At the entrance of soi patpong, there were about 10 policemen standing around. No chance to off anyone for me today.

In addition, a minor complication had developed for this jockstrap event. The Tawan staff who bought the jockstraps was down with Covid and nobody was going to his place to collect the jockstraps. So @flashbarryallen would have to buy them! Not a big problem. We just have to wait for underwear stalls at Silom Road to open in evening. But hang on, I asked @flashbarryallen "Why can they ask another staff to buy?" Shrugged shoulders. Welcome to Thailand. Next, regarding the prizes. I suggested awarding them in the form of 1000-baht garlands. I had wooden pegs and string and that's how @flashbarryallen ended up in my hotel room at Le Meridien. I showed him the room and he was impressed by it. He is staying at Raya. Le Meridien more modern and comfortable but of course nothing beats Raya's infamous glass shower. Both hotels unfortunately require guests to cross busy road to get to bars and Michelin star restaurant. At 6pm, @flashbarryallen and I proceeded to Tawan to speak to the staff. The guys at the entrance were bewildered and didn't know what we were talking about. Eventually old-timer mamasan appeared and we spoke to him. We showed him our sample garland and gave him the wooden pegs. No staples please. We want the deserving winners to be able to get their cash prizes easily after the show. @flashbarryallen passed the money in 1000-baht notes in advance. The bar will have to change them to 100-baht notes and prepare 6 garlands in advance. We also gave them paper coloured straws for the audience voting. We decided that every audience member will receive straws and they can insert straws in the guys jockstraps to choose their favourite. From Tawan, @flashbarryallen and I walked through Soi 6 to Silom Road. There was one stall selling underwear at 150 baht each. Buy 10 and get 1 free. I knew there was another stall outside Soi 4 so we walked there to check their selection and prices. They were there but had just arrived and were setting up their table and lights. So we ended at HotMale beer bar. I formally introduced Alex. @flashbarryallen decided to go back to Raya to have shower and get ready for this special night. I got out my handphone and started typing trip report for yesterday i.e. Day 10.

Day 8 After collecting their fee we went to world famous for breakfast and soon their friend happened to pass by seeing them through the window so I asked him to join us too. Returned to hotel to pack mindful that I need to release room at 12 but at 10 I will have guest – that guy who crossed red light to my condemning look yesterday at Lumpini. He was on the dot. Tall and handsome but most of that charm disappeared when he removed the mask. In short , in mask he looked much , much better. Very unremarkable short time, in fact I don’t recall anything at all so here I’m , 1500 spent and nothing to show for it other than fun story of guy correctly connecting the dots. Soon after our 1 ½ hr. was over I left rolling my suitcase to Chong Nonsi. In airport I had enough time to treat myself with mango with sticky rice for 50 baht and soon I was on the Jomtien bus. In 4 hrs. door to door I was reporting at Copa. After excitements of yesterday and last night I had urge for a nap and only after dart at 7 pm I left my room heading to Salt and Pepper behind the Tukcom for my chicken with cashew nuts. Returned to Boyztown via almost deserted Sunee Plaza, leaving for another time invitation to step in Nice Boys. In front of BBB I noticed good looking , muscly and tall guy who immediately sensed my interest and started business negotiations right away. By time his and mine drinks arrived we already agreed on long time and a fee and that we will go to my room only after the show. While well built Lao boy, face was bit ordinary but I liked his energy and thought night appears to be promising not even having idea what will be next. Since I wanted to see show he suggested we take our drinks and go inside where on the stage about two dozen guys , fully dressed, were presenting themselves. I noticed pair, one bit cherubic , other more hooliganish . Not only they were attractive looking but from their interaction I sensed they must be very close friends. I liked it, can’t even say why but clearly I was drawn to them so told my Lao boy and mamasan standing beside to call both over for a drink. P and R , both Cambodians, just started recently . P, cherubic one from the distance , up close looked actually very, very handsome. But as I said it was not their looks but way they interact with each other which brought them to my attention and a table. I don’t recall who, me , Lao or mamasan came with idea of me taking them three but it was taken very well by guys specially Lao and R , one more rough of two. So after show I was presented with hefty bill, 3 off fees, 2 inside and 2 outside drinks , it was if I recall 2600 and off we went. As is my habit I asked if they want to eat, yes and Lao lead us to Metal Tables restaurant on 2nd rd on the way informing / not asking mind you , informing / that his sister will be joining us and soon she arrived, turned out she is bar girl too. Lao was very bossy type and not one who picks cheapest dishes , after were were done whatever was left he ordered to pack and handed over to his sister to my great relief as for a while I was afraid he will invite her to my room too ( P and R would like it for sure). But his body was great so I bear with those antics even if food bill was on quite high side which I did not mind as much as fact that he ordered way too much food clearly with idea to feed his sister at my expense. In the room there was no doubt who is the boss, Lao again telling boys what to do and kind of neglecting me but I have fun joining wherever I could, LOL. Eventually we split in two , Lao and Rh being more energetic and shameless , P and me more shy and romantic, he, he . Fact that I have executive room with bed and sofa helped a bit too. After fire was extinguished, Cambodian boys and as it turned out, close friends indeed so my instinct was right, collected their 1500 each and left leaving me at Lao mercy he thought , but this time I showed who is in charge and he relented, LOL. Very promising guy despite antics as body close to ideal but he spoiled whole experience just before dawn asking if he can go inventing some roommate moving out story. This is not what I understand by long time but eventually impatient with his wailing gave him his fee and let him go firmly noting “ no repeat “, great body or not - as such antics is thing I hate the most. So day 8 ended on a bit upset note for me.

I would love to take credit for the pics you mention, but the guy with the great pics is @daydreamer My pics tend to be limited to Bangkok Guy, whose privacy I respect. However, here are a couple of Koh Lipe from which he somehow escaped the frame.

Can we still pick up MBs from Lumpini park nowaday? Still, but much more limited because of the apps. 20 years ago, it was the only way for us to find MBs. These days, there are 2 parks in Hanoi: Thong Nhat park and Hoa Binh park, the former located near the city center and much more accessible to foreigners. But again, I don't think you guys should venture out there on your own without a local friend to "chaperone". FYI: the on-going rate in these parks could be as low as 2 USD for a bj, 5 USD for ST and 10 USD for LT. Boys are mostly straight, fresh from a rural province, trying to survive in a big city. Actually, since a picture's worth a thousand words, I went ahead tonight and took some pictures there in the Thong Nhat park, so you guys would have some ideas. All four boys in the pictures are MBs.

Noted with thanks. An MB boy in Vietnam told me this story: A middle-aged customer picked him up from a public park (where MBs in Hanoi often ply their trade) and they went to a short-time hotel nearby by the customer's motorbike. The boy was the driver, and the customer snuggled right behind him, hugging him tight, touching his genitals while they were on the way. The customer came before they even reached the hotel. So the boy just collected his fee and was on his way while the customer used the hotel to wash himself This question may hit close to home for some members here.

Thank you so much guys. I feel bad not being able to report anything so far. I’m happily trapped with two ‘boyfriends’ here in SP and barely had time to go to Lagoa. A 20 yo fashion student cute like a button, and a 28 yo model with a cock to die for. I promise I’ll write something when I get to Colombia this weekend.

Couture Both Bangkok Guy and I like clothes and take care how we dress. In other words, we are both gay. We both prefer a classic simple look, although I have a penchant for a splash of color while Bangkok Guy is strictly muted colors. This trip it was a multicolored belt which triggered him “Why you like?” in a tone suggesting that insanity hovered nearby. As I loathe shopping, have preferences for the cut of my clothes and enjoy choosing fabric, I like to use tailors and assemble what I want. As Bangkok Guy loves shopping and a bargain, he prefers pret-a-porter in markets. The culture shock of taking him to my tailor was entertaining. The genesis of this adventure came over dinner at Baan Suriyasai during my last trip when Bangkok Guy made a quiet comment in passing ‘Look like waiter’. He was wearing a new white Chinese collar shirt from Icon Siam and black pants, which did bare a family resemblance to the waiter’s outfit. However I think the motivation for the remark was less his outfit and more mine, as I was resplendent in fresh-from-the-tailor shirt and trousers. The objective was to get him an outfit he could wear to restaurants and the Bamboo Bar and not look like the waiter – blue blazer with gilt buttons, white trousers and tailored shirts. Bangkok Guy was curious but hesitant – ‘Not know how’ (to use a tailor). I explained that the objective was to get exactly the cut, cloth and fit he wanted, and found patterns online for collars, cuffs, trousers and jackets to give him an idea of the range of choices, assuring him the tailor could show him. The whole exercise (for the pair of us, as I had a suit made) took four fittings, two before we left on our travels and two the day we returned. The first source of amusement came from watching Bangkok Guy instruct the tailor. At the first fitting he was looking for guidance but after that, once it came to discussing the fit, he was in charge. The tailor is a pro, but I couldn’t help wondering how he felt about taking instructions from a young durian trader from Issan. It was all amicable and Bangkok Guy got the fit he wanted – generally looser than the Italian cut favored by the tailor. After the third fitting I complemented him on how well he was managing the fittings to get what he wanted. A slight smile “I watch you”. The second source of amusement was the conflict between Bangkok Guy’s love of economy and his love of the way he looked and felt in the tailored clothes. He looked fantastic and heading out to dinner for the first time in the blazer with a red-and-navy silk pocket square, white trousers and white shirt with blue-lined collar and placket, he was walking on air. Bangkok Guy feels powerless (a topic for another time), a feeling the clothes temporarily removed. He didn’t know what the clothes cost, but he knew it was too much, especially as he can only use them a couple of times a year when I visit. They are not practical everyday wear for selling durian. He raised his concern about costs over lunch after the first fitting. “Tailor too expensive”. “Being Falang is expensive” – which response was met by a completely unconvinced look. As with alcohol consumption, he understands that the problem is not a generic Falang issue, but is specific to his particular Falang. After all, I am neither unintelligent nor too old to learn more economical ways from him. He knows that with patience and humor, the old dog can be retrained. He showed me the website of a tailor offering a complete outfit for 2000bt. “Probably not good cloth, this tailor better”. He graciously changed the topic but did not give up and continued to suggest that for much less money he could get what he needed at a market. The only argument I had that made any headway was “But then we not same-same”. He likes the idea of being the same, not because of the clothes, but because of the implication that I want us to be closer. After that the tone of the conversation changed. The tailor is still too expensive and markets a much better option, but for a few pieces of clothing that enable us to be “same-same” at restaurants and jazz bars, it is acceptable that we use the tailor. And, now he has had time to think about it, he would like a pair of trousers-with-braces like mine, as long as the braces are in muted colors. He thinks the braces are cute. I told him I will bring him a pair of braces next trip, so a further visit to the tailor is on the agenda. I am not going to tell him the cost of Trafalgar woven silk braces, as (i) he would call it off and (ii) my sanity, already in question, would look distinctly shaky.

How to be Gay Bangkok Guy is very boy-next-door and not obviously gay. He is very nice, polite, considerate and takes responsibility seriously. The fact that he dresses well, takes care of his skin and checks himself out in handy reflective surfaces might or might not be slight tells. He does not do anything to overtly identify as gay – no rainbow stripes anywhere. I got him an Apple watch this trip. My suggestion to get him a watch as he has wanted one for some time, his suggestion that it be an Apple. My watch ideas were too “for boss” which in this instance was less about the power structure and more about age. The Apple store was displaying a range of Pride watches, but these did not hold his attention. He got a dark case with a dark metallic mesh strap – classic and clean. The major tell occurs when we are in any form of transport together. He automatically holds my hand, sleeps on my shoulder, or puts his head in my lap. He has done this since we first met. In his mind it is totally the done thing and normal. So far there have been no negative reactions and a few positive ones, for example a stewardess smiling as he slept on my shoulder. We had to overnight in Hat Yai on the way to Koh Lipe and I wondered in the South, more Muslim and conservative, if he would modify his behavior. He has been to Hat Yai in the past to see relatives and stay at a temple, so he knew the lay of the land. “No pork, eat chicken or fish”. No modification at all, and also no consequences. We discussed plans for international travel and I pointed out that in some countries gay people are not popular and he could not use me as a human pillow. “Not go” was the instant and definite response, which surprised me given how keen he is to travel. I tested his resolve. The Serengeti is in Tanzania and Kenya, neither of which is gay friendly. In January after I showed him pictures he was very keen to go. “Tanzania and Kenya, you cannot use me as pillow”. “Not go”. To me, accustomed to modifying my behavior as necessary, this level of resolve is quite an eye opener. We went over the list of places to which Thais can travel without visas to see if any might be ‘human pillow friendly’ and came up with a revised list of destinations. However, even in this list I have difficulty imagining ‘human pillow’ being greeted with the same nonchalance as it is in Thailand. Bangkok Guy is keen to travel, but as himself. I hope it is possible.

So I played sports again last night and saw him on my way to the sports center.. He smiled at me and I just smiled back and greeted him with a salute hahaha.. I am still playing it cool and still pretending to be a hetero but I was all smiles on my way to the sports center haha that def improved my mood and made me feel like in highschool again After sports around 10pm, I passed by his kiosk and asked him "mi mai?" or "do you still have?"? in english and he just replied in english "sorry, all finished".. I didn't make any further move as I still didn't want to think I am into him.. So now here is the dilemma, I want to invite him to drink over the weekend but I just dont wanna message him in line and ask if he is free this weekend.. Remember, I am still acting straight around him and straight guys dont just invite another straight guy they have just known for a drink right away.. I am def enjoying the feeling it gives me but sometimes, I feel like it is too slow haha but I dont want to rush it neither and risk getting rejected.

Violence against gays takes multiple forms but the most damaging in the long term, I think, is ostracism from family and former friends. That’s how many of us found our way to Thailand and can not imagine a life now that doesn’t include it. As I sat in a non-gay bar the other evening with a much younger man, both enjoying the music and atmosphere, no one took notice that was evident to me. That itself was worth the long trip and cost of getting here in the first place. To me, that was what I truly yearned for.

What always amazes me is the strength of family ties throughout most of Asia. I have a good friend in Bangkok whose partner has a Burmese father and mother was Thai. At the age of 8 the boy went off to school in the morning. He knew his mother had not been well for a couple of months but nothing more. When he returned from school, she was dead of cancer. The father had not told him or his siblings how serious her illness was and so he was not able to say goodbye to her. He was totally devastated. After his sister married a Thai and came to live in Bangkok, he moved here and was able to finish his studies. He felt desperately lonely. Young Thais don't hold anyone who is even half Burmese in much affection. Some of the money he earned from part time jobs when studying would be sent back to his father. After he'd been together with my friend for two years, he told his father he is gay. My friend did everything possible to stop him from doing that, but he had made up his mind. The father then cut him off entirely. Even so, he still sends a small amount of money each month. Again my friend has tried everything to persuade him to stop sending anything until his father accepts him as his son again. He promised to think seriously about it, but still sends the money.

thank you for the warning

@flashbarryallen arrived and we left Hotmale beer bar to get the jockstraps. Luckily we waited and didn't buy from the first stall. Stall outside Soi 4 sells them at 100 baht each. Similar promotion. Buy 10 get 1 free. @flashbarryallen and I were shamelessly picking the sexiest jockstraps in public. T stood a distance away from us. What are these silly fellows doing? After buying jockstraps, we had dinner. T took us to the other side of Silom Road for some local food. Yummy and cheap. After dinner, we went to Jupiter. Poppy sings on Wednesday so I wanted to watch him. I saw customers from my visit on Saturday. Thai guy who ordered bottle service. Plus the other guy who offed 2 Jupiter guys. In the VIP private table by the side, there were two fellows with bottle service. No Jupiter guy seated with them. Only mamasan. They looked so serious with masks on except when they drank. Had a chance to see one round of Jupiter guys runway walk before Poppy started singing. Only 9 guys at 9.30pm. T was brutally frank when he scrutinise Jupiter guys. "Handsome but plastic surgery." Poppy sang for about 15 minutes then Jupiter guys came out for runway walk and pattern would repeat. "Any song requests?" Poppy asked. "Careless Whisper," @flashbarryallen said and Poppy obliged. T whispers into my ear, "This song is shower sex show song in my bar last time." Savage and bitchy! @flashbarryallen leaves just before 10pm to get ready for Tawan jockstrap show. T and I stayed at Jupiter. At 10.30pm, Jupiter show starts. I got up and chatted with Poppy as well as tipped him. "See you again in December during Christmas," I told him. @flashbarryallen sends me a message on Line. Come quickly. Jockstrap Night has started!

I asked Alex whether he would go out with me for karaoke. He was shy and non-commital. "Ask Aung. Aung likes to sing also." What! Quiet and reserved Aung is a closet karaoke singer? To prove it, Alex showed me a video on his handphone. It showed a private karaoke room and yes, Aung was singing. @paulsf Please take note! Anyway I managed to get Alex and Aung to tentatively agree to go to karaoke with me in December. Alex is busy moving to new apartment on his off day tomorrow and Friday and Saturday their boss doesn't allow them to miss work. At about 7pm my boyfriend T arrived. He was so sweet to agree to go to Tawan tonight with me even though he is not into muscle guys. T saw Alex and they started talking. They are old friends. Then I remembered they are from Myanmar. My chances of karaoke with Alex has improved significantly. I will get T to persude him! December karaoke with the two As and T!

From Bangkok Post Most Covid controls to be lifted The Public Health Ministry expects the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration to lift nearly all Covid-19 restrictions nationwide, meaning the virtual full-scale resumption of business and other activities including entertainment. Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said on Thursday that he expected the CCSA to announce nationwide green Covid-19 zones on Friday and also set the date for the relaxation to begin. As for the use of face masks, Mr Anutin said the Public Health Ministry would not announce a complete end to face mask use on Friday. Officials would consider lifting the requirement in particular areas. Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Department of Disease Control, said the Public Health Ministry would on Friday propose the CCSA impose green zones nationwide and in practice there would not be any restrictions on business and other activities. Health authorities had no concerns about the operation of pubs, bars and karaoke shops. The number of serious Covid-19 cases dependent on ventilators had dropped to 200-300, he said. On the use of face masks, Dr Opas said the Public Health Ministry had never arrested anyone who failed to wear a face mask. It only recommended people wear masks as long as they could do so, he said. The ministry suggested people remove face masks while eating, when alone or a fair distance away from others, or when outdoors or in well-ventilated places, Dr Opas said.

Lol i totally understand. I guess what u need now is a wing man who can take off the pressure. A hang out between 3 guys is less direct than say 2 person drinking in a bar

The time conception in East Asia is completely different then the west, If you take a boy for ST it can be less than half an hour "you come I go" or few hours if there is good chemistry with the boy so there is no definitive time frame for ST. For example I took very beautiful Vietnamese from Screw Boys bar in BKK he was amazing in bed but all the session was about half hour he took a shower we do our business and he left . In Pattaya I took a boy from Grinder he came to my amazing suite in East Suites at Jomtien complex after we done he was so antusiasted from the apartment and wanted to try the Jacuzzi and we have a talk and drink and he stayed for almost 3 hours with no extra fee then agreed. I personally never understood the overnight long term concept unless a client wants multiple sex sessions with the boy all night what is the point to have a boy just for sleeping with you , maybe some are feeling so lonely in their life so staying overnight with a boy compensate their loneliness?

The Vinapu Tuck!

Yes, and 1000 baht means 10 notes to be slipped and tucked all over lol

I'm not a gay, what a relief. But I still like guys

I swear in 7 languages, shouldn't be much of a problem

sound volume is always problem at Dreamboys and to a bit lesser degree at Jupiter too I like the name , no need to assign the blame. By adding THE I even feel elevated above my weight in those matters. As you see, even boy felt he need to give you some tutoring. At earliest chance try VINAPU COCTAIL, 60 % of gin and 40% of gin. I tip that way in most cases for two reason , selfish and practical. Selfish because I want to have some feel for my money, practical because I usually tip guy with a view of possible off in the future, however distant and deep tuck allows me assess presence of pubic hairs, I don't like guys clean shaven THERE. If bar was closed suddenly or even just closed it means boys will slowly dissipate but may congregate here and there; there's your chance on any night with bonus of avoiding drink and off fee. Just walk with eyes opened and you may catch somebody suitable. In fact this is modus of operandi of one of our members, recently quite quiet. He likes the hunt, money saving it's just side effect. But from @flashbarryallen narrative it looks that you utilized my advice before even it was given and I'm glad to see that.

It has been my experience "short time" means you give him his money and he leaves when you are done with your "activities". Usually that means about 1 to 3 hours. I've never had a boy click a stopwatch and tell me time's up. Don't forget, "short time" does not necessarily mean you take him off and go immediately to your hotel room. It could mean first taking him out to dinner, taking him for a legitimate body or foot massage, taking him to a karaoke or concert if one is in town - then going to your hotel. What I usually do is the longer I have him with me, the greater his tip - especially if you're both really enjoying whatever you're doing and each other's company - and if you can tell the boy isn't faking it. "Long time" to me means he sleeps with you overnight. One thing I've seen farang do, and I don't recommend it at all, is take a boy off and then take him to another gay bar. Unless the boy suggests it himself (which he might do if he has a friend working at another bar), don't do that. I can't think of a way to bore him more. He works in a bar. Does anyone really think his idea of a fun evening is to go to another bar? The only reason I would ever do that would be if there is a bar show he wants to see. Otherwise, do something else.

How about the Khmer alphabet with 74 letters?? I love reading your reports and want more, more please.

Day 7 Rain in the morning, V left at 9 skipped breakfast this time so I went to Foodland alone. I feel lazy today so did some stroll around Lumpini and then returned to hotel to be busy doing nothing till about 2 pm. Returning from Lumpini and waiting for green light I noticed handsome guy in mask crossing the street on red light, looked cursory at him with condemnation of such recklessness and since he was handsome I even followed him with my eyes as he walked away. Few hours later I’m getting message on Grindr ‘ I saw you today in Lumpini” . WTF thought I , who it can be and then got moment of enlightenment “:are you guy who crossed red light ?”, ‘yes, can I see you ? ” . I was impressed by his gaydar , he looked good anyways and we agreed to meet tomorrow morning. Why not today ? In the morning I got a Line from X asking if I need him today, hell sure I do , come at 2 ok ? he agreed. Then all of the sudden Christmas dawned on me as one of my forum friends sent me a Jupiter clip showing no one else but Handsome Cambodian, guy I’m in secret, although one sided love ever since I saw him first time few years ago exercising in front of BBB in Boyztown. From clip it was obvious that he retuned to the bar after Covid break so immediately I’m on mission tonight – go to Jupiter and off him if only he will want to go with me because as I said I have feeling love is one sided , LOL. We will call him HC in this report. That made me excited and extremely happy at the same time. At 2 X showed up as arranged in the morning . He felt bit lazy too and was not in rush at all so I could enjoy his presence for next 3 hours knowing that it will be a while before I can see him again since I’m going to Pattaya tomorrow. Seems I can’t have enough the guy being eternally grateful to 18past 19 who helped in December to arrange our first meeting . Before him I think I felt so good only in presence of One from Screwboys and M from Senso. Truly quasi boyfriend experience and even if I know is all fake still feels very good. Not love but enormous soothing comfort. X did not feel like eating so I went to G’Bangkok myself, had my feed and then , no doubt directed by Guardian Angel instead of leaving soi immediately I decided so take stroll up and down the soi. In one of bars whom I see? HC himself, unfortunately in presence of some client sporting winning smile which I read as “ I got your boy , you lick the wounds” . What surprised me, HC recognized me immediately even if we meet really only once and that was for short time only. On another hand he had some reason to remember and recall me and thrilled me when he thanked for that. He seemed happy to see me which made my day already but explained that he won’t be available until tomorrow. I told him I’m going to Pattaya tomorrow and will see him in 5 days. “ Let me know when you need me” said him placing me in cloud 7. I felt like teenager meeting his first date. So to HotMale to say good bye to paulsf I did not walk but I flew on that cloud so happy, happy. Paul is not leaving yet but since I’m going to Pattaya by time I ‘ll be back he will be on his way home. Soon anddy joined us and of course tiny Lao boy accompany me all that time. At 10.30 we decided to go upstairs to see the show, Lao asked if he can go with me, of course and up we went. Surprisingly HC and his customer were sitting in the corner and upon seeing me HC came for a moment to thank me again and ask to see hi when I will be back. One of the boys on stage was muscular T whom I offed along with Myanmarese guy for 3 some in Dec, as soon as he smiled at me I called him over. Yes he remembered that debauchery, Myanmarese guy is working in Moonlight now but he said we can take somebody else if I want repeat. Great idea, my first thought was Lao but he declined telling me he is shy to go with guy he knows ,from the same bar. T , keen on business suggested two other guys , I liked one twinky with temple tattoo and tasked T with obtaining his agreement. It took few seconds of conversation between them before he looked at me and smiled broadly so I called him over ( mind you I have three boys sitting with me now ). Both N, new arrival and T confirmed that they will stay till morning and after the show I tipped Lao for his troubles and took my boys out to applause of their bar friends. We stopped for a dinner at world famous and then went to Baan Silom where night guard did not seem keen on letting two guy in but I promised him a tip and he yielded. Stupid me , I should tip him just in case on my first night. In the room I treated them with beer, T is very talkative , N more reserved with limited English but seemed nice boy. It looked that he just started recently and was very happy with an off. I let them to have fun first before exercising my own rights. Judging by mood in the morning all three of us were happy campers ,ending with happy smiles day 7 of my trip. V, X, HC, T and N, it looks like I run through half alphabet today but great day it was not only because unexpected quasi reunion with HC, in fact all other 4 guys were above average today.

I'm actually loving this thread. Wish you luck with the food vendor, Chum. I feel this so much haha.

I do, I'm not flying that far to grumble or even worse , to look at every baht under the light before is spent. Every new off is both risk and opportunity but it's better to risk disappointment than be sorry we missed the boat. Flying in I had a moment when I thought those long flights are no longer for me so day may come, hopefully in 20, 30 years, when I'll say no more ( we met so you know I'm not quite spring chicken ), fortunately not yet. Yes I spent a lot on guys but as I noted before, out of 14 counts I paid over market , I was extremely happy with 10, and quite very happy with other 4. Some readers may be shocked with such a waste but 28000 (14*2000) is bit above 800 USD, how many long times with hunks I get for that in New York or London ? 1 1/2 ? Surprisingly perhaps, I see wasting or rather overspending money with room for substantial savings somewhere else as I have habit of inviting my guys for meals on both ends of off and orders some of them are placing would warrant restraining order. But somehow I like those meals, if only I can look at their faces and bodies in full light, LOL Sure it experiences that count, screw the money ! It's almost 7 years since I asked certain Tiger from Tawan to hug me strong in my Raya room 7 , I swear I still feel sometimes that massive closeness. ( no he did not break me anything you jokesters there ) and I'm sure in 7 years I'll still recall pleasure of soaping K in Tarntawan's bathtub. My mother used to instruct us '' if you don't have money to go to restaurant or for vacation, don't go until you have enough because you will feel bad looking at menu or admission price you can't afford." Not a bad advise, no? Beauty of Thailand is that it's still easily affordable country , transport and food are inexpensive and eye candy is for free everywhere and if one can discipline himself to numbers of bars is visiting , drinks gulped and guys offed , vacations there can be still both pleasant and cheap. And with bit of luck our neighbor in hotel may turn to be affordable hook up for the night as my previous night experience attests.

Some interesting facts to confirm after just returning from this venue: - Bar off fee does exist, but it's set at 2000THB to offset lost earnings of drinks. No, this off fee does not include tip. I did not have any tip negotiation conversations tonight. - On the other hand, it does seem like they are given a script to follow. If a customer asks about taking back to hotel, they're supposed to say, "I take good care of you here," as a polite deflection. I think off fee only is discussed by rather persistent customers. - It's completely acceptable to get the Line ID of a guy you buy a drink for. - Lots of guys on offer to drink with, some cute guys in shirts and some twunky shirtless guys. - Sexy boy part of show was indeed sexy with way more peeks under the towel than I'd ever seen at other towel dance venues. However, it was abysmally short as it was limited to towel show and soda water show. - Soda water show is definitely sexy and I had no hesitation to buy two bottles for a total of 100THB in order to see the guy of my night gyrate and have his appendage become more visible with each bottle of water that traveled down his chiseled chest and sexy abdomen. He sold the fantasy completely. Money well spent for me, though I know others might disagree. - I was hesitant to believe that they could actually stay open until 4am. However, once you exit the main venue and go into the reception area, all the lights are off and you would be hard pressed to know any business activity was happening inside. Great design choice on their part. - There are at least two guys there currently who can speak good English...one Thai and one Cambodian. There are pictures of the Cambodian on Facebook...chiseled defined abs and curly hair. Still hot but less intimidating than in pictures. Sweet guy. - To have a drink with a guy for about an hour, you will have to pay 250THB. There is no begging for tips to be found from any of the staff. - Music volume levels become deafening as night passes on. Abominably hard to carry on conversation. - They try to bleed you dry by not including the cost of mixers and ice into bottle service. You need to be insistent that they stop bringing mixers because they do it without you asking to get as many baht out of you as possible. This soiled the experience a bit. - Show was quoted as starting at midnight, but in reality was 12:30. Sexy boy show quoted as being at 1, but it was also delayed. Their logic is that the other boy bars close at midnight, so they wait for those customers to leave other bars and come to Dragon. Overall, I'm torn. A few stunning guys there made the experience worth it, but a lot of the other faults make it a near complete skip. The three reasons I'll go back are: 1. I didn't finish my bottle of Black Label, and I didn't feel like bringing it back to my hotel. No corkage fee if bottle is kept on site. 2. One guy who I invited to drink and who performed in both segments of the sexy show was charming, though not nearly as much so as guys from Tawan. Those guys are pros who know how to pull at the heartstrings. Despite that, he's sweet enough and easy enough on the eyes that I will suffer the negatives just to see him again. Note: I'm still waiting on a response to my Line message to him on whether it's possible to meet him when he's not working. 3. Soda water show is perfect for a guy like me who likes interactive shows and a little left to the imagination.

In my language there is saying something like "If KFC does not come Tawan anymore, Tawan must go to KFC".

After a memorable party at Tawan last night, I feel overwhelmed with the amount of guys I want to off from there during this trip. Are there any dangers or pitfalls to worry about when doing this? Any thoughts on how to make this work?

Thanks for the information. I'm not looking to get thst deep into the industry like Tim Tales. Only fans requires signed documentation from each model and you receive a w-2 at the end of the year because of the money you make. I will start a just for fans over the weekend and they've explained that the model release forms from only fans would suffice. We will see what the next few months bring. I never thought the twitter pages would become so popular with my half ass attempts to keep them updated. I've gotten better at that now so the pages are getting more notoriety weekly. Thabks again for your input. I hope you are safe and well.

Goodness gracious! The place has obviously changed since I was there 4 years ago. How many guys on offer?

I prefer to sleep alone in bed, also not worrying about my cell phone. But the wording there is def going to get some comments , no doubt.

that’s why i think you should trust my field judgement.

yes all the rooms i have stayed at Raya do.

Jomtien Complex has changed a lot in 3 1/2 years with many new bars, pop-up bars and cafes. I was pleasantly surprised. Having said that, some things, never change. Home Bar is still the same and Zack sits in the same spot each night. Cocka2 is still operating, although that top end of the Soi can get a little too noisy with bars fighting for music dominance. There are actually more bars now than there have ever been. 69 Bar and B.N Bar (Big Nuts Bar) both opened this month.

With a few exceptions I've never been a Pattaya person. In my freewheeling days, Bangkok had everything that I ever wanted - more or less! I admit, though, that sitting at the gay part of Dongtan beach used to be great in the days when the bar boys would come out to play in the late afternoon. But swimming in that water? It always seemed filthy and I understand there is sewage flowing into the sea not far away (or has that now changed?). On the other hand I'm definitely a beach person. For years friends and I would rent an apartment for a couple of weeks in Phuket. Then Phuket became overbuilt, overrun with tourists and a lot more expensive. Before I became involved in a long term relationship I used to take a boy off and spend a few days in places like Krabi and more recently in Khao Lak. Khao Lak always seems to me one of the gems of Thailand. There's virtually nothing to do there apart from staying in one of the beach hotels and chilling out. But the long wide beach is fabulous and the hotels very spread out. You can be staying in one and never see another. We've often had the beach more or less to ourselves. Then after a day relaxing, sunset cocktails at the pool bar, the little Thai restaurants just off the beach serve great inexpensive food.

you got it Jason, you did !

yes , thank you for recommendation, he really stands out in both skills and personality ( and some other items as well )

we should be grateful to 18past19 for keeping Moonlight operations well oiled

More armed gays is the American solution, sure. Except for two things: Even in places where CCW (Carrying a Conceded Weapon permit) is legal/commonplace, it is never legal to do so while drinking and many places ban them regardless. Basic understanding of statistics. We are already a community with sky-high rates of depression and related drug-use, self harm and suicide, if it's easier (due to immediate access to a firearm) then vastly will more succeed--never get a chance to reconsider. A gun in the home is much more likely to be used against the owner or their family than the right-wingnut fantasy of heroic self defense. I truly wish every single "pro-gun" person was made to understand the rates of accident, suicide and domestic violence when a gun is added to the home! This is one of several reasons I don't support giving guns out to teachers or anybody else like free doughnuts... They will literally increase the death rate of whatever population you're discussing. -

Another word is slut!

Day 6 As I mentioned before for few days guy from Grindr is sending me question ‘ do you want massage?”. He doesn’t have nick but headless photo of his body is enticing , he confirmed that it’s his so I decided, encouraged no doubt by Guardian Angel to take a chance on him. Early massage , at 10.30 he knocked to my room and right away I knew Angel was involved since we hit it right away. Handsome, rather athletic than muscular, talkative in good English, soon it turned out his massage is superb and it seems the he likes me. Wow, considering age and looks difference. In short , gem, thank you Angel . We exchanged Line, where he uses Besty nick. He said he is more tennis instructor and partner than massage freelancer. Fee very modest at 1500 and he was not in rush to go at all. No doubt we will meet him again. Unfortunately not keen on long time at all, it always be must be that something. If he were , chance are this trip would look quite different. Yes , he threw at me that KFC insult but is forgiven before he even opened mouth Energized I walked a bit around the Silom and Patpong , exchanged money in XONE on Suriwong, passed through Silom market in soi 8 but did not go too far because in meantime X lined me if I’m interested to see him again today. Money be damned , answer was yessssssssssssss ! He showed up at 3 pm. And I had more fun than last night even, worth every satang even if we are talking a lot of satangs here. Funny thing , worth more scientific research , he turned out to be ticklish in few places where for sure he was not last night? Imagine wrestling such a hunk just to make sure he is ticklish indeed. After good 2.5 hrs we got hungry and went to G’Bangkok , soi 4 for a dinner . With our table outside it was very obvious he is head turner, even proprietor noticed it and whispered “ where you got that guy ? Interestingly he opted for typical German fare, sausage with something and he liked it , mentioning that even week after as our 2nd meeting was definitely the last. After dinner we parted ways. I decided to take circular way to soi 3 but at corner of Suriwong and soi 6 it started raining. How not to get wet in absence of umbrella ? There are two solutions, cheap and pleasant. Cheap- to buy umbrella at 7/11 was dismissed as wasteful spending and I opted to take massage in Tawan around the corner. I was expecting M from my day 1 but it turned out he is not there but Ten is on duty. Ten is real bodybuilder, not a shrinking violet at all. For those attending show at Tawan he is one making candle show. I was prepared for serious mutilation considering substantial body mass at his disposal but massage turned out to be very skillful, no need to say energetic. And fun as he is quite talkative , knew that I had massage with M and offed two boys from Tawan already so if we think we are anonymous shadows , better not to be naïve. By time we were done rain was over but not before he threw KFC insult, my 2nd such humiliation today at price of 500 for massage and 1500 tip. Three fantastic encounters so far made me happy and thirsty for more so instead going to hotel I continued walking and on Silom in mouth of soi 2 there was another hunk distributing Paradise massage leaflets so I said to myself see what happens. This time not much, while body was great and kind of accessible even if he is straight and proudly showed me picture of his daughter, massage was bit cursory and so were afters. Cost and tip the same like in Tawan but only memorable part was third today KFC insult and few minutes after when I was paying massage fee at reception , fourth. I need to find hardware shop , buy some rope and hang myself thought I in meantime grinning semi happily thinking what bar should be in my rotation tonight since I did not visit Freshboys, Hot Male nor Dreamboys this trip yet. Freshboys it is, twink kingdom but I’m not dogmatic, try to visit every bar at least once per trip even if twinks don’t to much for me sometimes for a change I’m not adverse to hiring them as well. Moth mamasans , one of them former Screwboys one recognized me with smile. Entry well timed – big C show, 6 or 7 participants started circulating among audience so red notes were wrapped around two of their appendages. Then even more heat with f…k show , top very interesting , one of those I tipped , bottom not so much but again two reds changed hands when they come up close to show they are not faking whole thing. Former Screwboy mamasan still remembered that I liked One boy many years ago, perhaps my best boy ever who left the scene long time ago but I still smile at his memory. No doubt she will remember next time as I slipped her another redie to prevent dementia. Asked about Screwboys reopening but ‘may be fall ‘ answer. Even in that twink galore I could find 2-3 guys I could off, top from f..k show definitely and not because his thing but because I like his face of aspiring hooligan and he is quite muscular too , at least for that bar’s standards. Somehow I realized that such great day must be crowned without any surprises so I lined V if he can come to see my stam collection and answer was immediate –‘where you are’ . Explained I will be at Baan Silom’s gate in 6 minutes I went back home only to see V already waiting for me there. As it turned out later he lives around the corner . we went to 7/11 right there to buy some supplies and when leaving who emerged from hotel ? My neighbor and last night companion, Grindr guy. We smiled at each other knowingly. It crossed my mind to use that opportunity for 3-some but pass it and keeping quiet was good thing because as soon as he went his way V whispered that he did not like that guy, too feminine he said and for sure clean shaven like girl. While he was incorrect on first assumption in my opinion, he was spot on on second part . V never disappoints and endeared himself even more by NOT calling me KFC man. Great conclusion to day 6, busy and fun filled, treasury destroying day

Hi guys I will go to Jomtien 14 October till 3 November Just wondering whether anyone has an apartment to rent near Jomtien Complex? I realise rules say a month but maybe still cheaper than hotel?

Some interesting characters at Jupiter tonight. A lone Chinese lady was at VIP sofa surrounded by mamasans and a Jupiter guy. At front seats sofas were 2 separate Asian customers with one Jupiter guy each. One of them is Thai and he had bottle service. He would stay all the way until closing time. The other, i wasn't sure whether is Thai or not, but throughout the night he was chatting with his Jupiter guy about the other Jupiter guys as they paraded on stage and down the runway. He would invite a guy down and the three of them would chat while watching the show. He didn't have bottle service. He only had 2 drinks for himself and his guy. I think about 5 different guys sat down to chat. Finally, after the show at midnight, he found the right guy and 3 of them left for a threesome.

Regardless of the good features of Raya it is now ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET!