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Day 5 Dum was great and earned 500 bonus in the morning. We went to Foodland for a breakfast, staff seeing me so often with different guys started smiling knowingly and that grin will not leave their faces for next 2 weeks. After that I went for a stroll to Lumpini park and from there by elevated walkway over canal to Benakiti park still under construction. At one time in future it will be proper park, now is lacking shade here and there but I liked lake in the middle and running track around it. Easy to get to by public transport as it’s close to Queen Sirikit MRT station and it’s how I returned to Raya to pack and move to Baan Silom in soi 3. Room was not ready so I left my suitcase and went again , now having proper location , to see business of former model X I met few times in Dec and have strong hope to be able to repeat feast this trip. It was quite a trip all the way to Samut Prakan, first by BTS to Samrong and then by taxi to the mall where his business is located. He saw me from the distance , warm embraces , treated me with his product, in fact let me prepare it by myself behind the counter under his watchful eye. I don’t remember who was first to suggest it but we agreed to meet in my room in the evening after shop will close as we need to discuss receipts he is using. I mentioned before one of our member is recommending certain masseur he managed to find when he was in BKK earlier and since I trust his judgement I gave it serious consideration , contacted guy in question who said will be free today but price he quoted me, 4000 for 2 hr massage in house freeze me. But member told me he is worth it with exclamation mark so what choice I had. Asked guy , Phakin is his name to come . I can see screams from economizing readers about that racket but if I trust somebody , I do. And yes , as promised it was worth it. Massage was very thorough and professional, at the same time entertaining as he turned out to be talkative with good English and with personality comparable to that of certain Z , star of my 2019 trips some of my readers may recall and great sense of humor ‘if somebody fucked me I land in hospital sure”. Not only skills are great but he is quite handsome and very, very well furnished. So after massage was over we had our share of fun or at least certainly I had. I’m glad my cheap side did not prevail because by economizing I’d be losing chance of one of most memorable massage sessions in my 22 trips. Sorry guys I raised your blood pressure for paying that much for massage but believe me , I know what it means money well spent. After he left I went to soi 4 to treat myself with another schnitzel at G’Bangkok. From there to Hot Male downstairs where paulsf was already there and reader who just arrived in Bangkok today after 2 years covid hiatus showed soon .We had lots to catch up and we did although I was kind of distracted by one of their host , diminutive Laotian who seem to like me indeed. Surely he got a drink and 200 inside of his jeans when I went back to hotel around 10 pm because X lined me that he closed shop and is on his way. Another case when I was glad to forget about economy since he charges as guy of his built and charm , whatever it means , should. Absolute gem as far as I’m concerned, talkative , easy going and outside of his few limits, very social so to speak. One of those who on the spot understand what customers likes and what makes him hot. It was past 2 am. when he left so our short time was not that short. Well heated I decided that spending rest of the night alone would be mistake I fired Grindr and found somebody in vicinity who agreed to share my bed till morning for 1500, yes, just to share by bed. It turned to be funny story which I already reported here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/37804-my-funny-apps-story-from-last-night/ And here’s just copy and paste of what I wrote then: Last night at 2 am or so after my companion left I decided that is too scary to sleep alone and I need somebody if only to warm the bed and embrace me in my sleep, in short, no particular requirement and even brother of Hunchback of Notre Dame will do. So fired Grindr and it was somebody shown at 58 meters away, still online. Actually nice, good looking and at 178 not too short so I sent a message, answer come right away agreeing to complete the night from now till whenever. I gave location and stated that I will be waiting in front of hotel. And so I went downstairs looking right and left to a completely deserted soi for somebody to show but it was still empty. In about 5 minutes somebody appeared emerging from my hotel. That was a guy actually better looking than on an app. Turned out that he is in the same hotel. So via 7/11 we returned there, in elevator it turned we are staying on the same floor and when I asked what room you are staying, it was revealed that it was one opposite of mine with our heads leaning at the same wall, just from other side. So distance of 58 meters really was more like 28 centimeters. Who would think I was so well positioned? And good news is, I wasn't asked for taxi money!!! Easy money for him as I really wanted just somebody to embrace and pleasure for me as he was better looking and gave better feel than I expected based on Grindr pics. To complete day 5 , in the morning I invited him for breakfast triggering another round of knowing smiles by stuff at Foodland

I called one boy down to sit with me. No.13. Slim average build. Cute smile. Smooth skin. No tattoos. Round rimmed gold glasses. Mamasan said I had to buy boy a drink first. I was all ready to pay off fee and take him back to hotel. I didn't want to start the night with any argument so I said yes to the boy drink. I asked boy for his name and he said a name starting with A. I couldn't catch it as he said it so fast. He said he doesn't know English. He speaks Laos, Thai and Mandarin! I was flabbergasted! I switched to Mandarin (which I don't speak often because in Singapore, people speak mostly English) and got his Chinese name consisting of 2 characters. I shall abbreviate his name to HM for this recount. I asked HM if he would LT and he said yes and we agreed on LT fee. I asked him to get changed (remember boy was in his white fake Calvin Klein briefs). He only had 2 sips of his drink. I paid mamasan, even gave him a tip and wished his refurbished bar great success. HM and I walked past Hotmale bar on our back to hotel and I said hi to Alex and Aung and another waiter. In room, I spent time admiring HM's handsome face and smooth body. It was only 10pm. Far too early for sex. I asked HM if he likes foot massage. He said yes. I lent him a pair of shorts and sandals. He was wearing sleeveless T-shirt, torn jeans, shoes and socks and of koz his white briefs inside his jeans. Besides his clothes, all he had was his Iphone. He got changed and we hopped over to Urban Vista massage - the one with glass wall at front entrance and many massage ladies and customers. Foot massage for one hour was 300 baht and I tipped the massage ladies 200 baht for each of us. "Are you hungry, HM?" I asked. Ok he said, up to you. I took him to Happy Beer Garden opposite old Soi Twilight and Raya Hotel. Over supper, we chatted non-stop and all of it was in Mandarin! I cannot remember the last time I spoke to someone in Mandarin so enthusiastically. After dinner, it was back to hotel. Shower and then dim lights as we proceeded to round 1. Bushy circumsized long cock. HM is straight and so doesn't kiss or suck or bottom but I still enjoyed our time together. After sex, I told HM to help himself to drinks and snacks and he can play his games or watch videos on his handphone while I slept. I provided him an Iphone charging cable. We arranged to wake up at 7 for round 2. At around 6, I woke up earlier than planned. I felt his cock and played with it. Something feels different. HM had shaved his pubic hair overnight! I later discovered the disposable hotel shaver in the dustbin. After sex, HM showered. I gave him 3000 baht as agreed plus 200 baht for taxi. He had told me he stays in Sukhumvit with another Lao boy who works in a different bar. Overall, I enjoyed our time overnight but unlikely to repeat, at least not for LT.

Tonight I will try Banana Bar. What a surprise to see it renovated. It used to be on the second floor but now it is on the first floor. L shaped layout of seats. Stage had a shower box in the corner so that means there is a shower show. About 5 customers seated and watching the boys in white briefs on stage on rotation. Red tags with number on their briefs. How I miss seeing this! Only 5 boys on stage at a time but full rotation was very fast. 8 boys in total, I estimate. Mamasan spoke to me. "I remember you. From Singapore, right?" I asked my usual question. Mamasan replied, "Short time 2000 baht. Long time 3000 baht." I knew I would not be sleeping alone tonight!

My experience is that the best looking guys that ask for the most are the least interesting in bed. They love mirrors in the room though, they spend most of the time together looking at themselves. Some that ask for so much also know they probably won't get a 2nd off with you because they know they aren't good and might as well make it all in one lump sum. Even with my experiences in Brasil, I don't go for the muscle Gods that so many like there....I'm more guy next door looks and fun personality. Usually much more enjoyable sex and more fun to be around....and humble.

When I went, Pattaya was a sea of twinks, not to my tastes, and since I'm not a beach person either, not much to do during the day. Having done it, I wouldn't go back. Bangkok is just a wonderful city to walk. Always stuff to see and do. That said, I'm thinking next trip is Colombia...

I got to know Aung better and also Alex, another staff from Myanmar. Alex is a fun and jovial guy and he loves singing. I would love to one day take Alex out on his off day to a karaoke bar and listen to him sing. Aung is quiet and reserved but has his unique sense of humour. When he asked me which bars I went yesterday, i said Jupiter and Aung replied, "Hi-So." He's referring of course to the wealthy customers who order bottle service. Alex teased him about Covid vaccinations. Aung had gone for 3 jabs but got infected by Covid. Alex only went for 2 jabs and he didn't contract Covid. He ribbed Aung. The day before Aung was down with Covid, Alex and him were working and talking together. Alex reasoned that he should not get the 3rd jab since he seems immune despite being in close contact with a Covid patient i.e. Aung. I really enjoy interacting with them and decided I will go to their bar every night for a drink.

Day 8 was a Sunday and it was spent at the pool and later on in the room reading, watching videos and napping. I was sure the department stores would be crowded and I wanted to avoid all that. At 9pm, I went to downstairs Hot Male bar. Myanmar waiter Aung (I had misspelled it as Ong and wrote incorrectly that he was from Laos) served me. He remembered my order yesterday. Chang beer draught. People were walking past the soi in both directions. Several curious tourists (both men and women and of various nationalities) enquired about Dreamboys as they saw some of the boys standing outside on the balcony, shall I call it, and providing very good free publicity. I think two were shirtless. That's the way to promote your bar! But show would not start so soon and these tourists would only enter when show starts. Chicken and egg situation. Only those serious about getting an off would go in early to look at the boys on rotation before show. Reminds me of behaviour of some forum members here!

Here are the two contestants representing Thailand and Vietnam in Mister National Universe 2022 just wrapped up in Thailand last week. I think the Thai contestant (who finished in top 10) has more of a Jupiter vibe, while the Vietnamese contest (who is the final winner) has more of a Moonlight vibe. So which one you would off and for how much? hehe

The last time I was in Banana Room, there was this Farang customer, who came in quite late (30 min before the closing time) with his entourage of two teenage boys. He checked out the boys on rotation and later called one down. So I asked Mamasan when he sat next to me if the gentleman actually tried to find a third boy. He confirmed and said something along the line: great fun, you should do it I observed the ménage à trois for some time, just out of curiosity. It seemed the first two boys do not really interact with each other, one of them smiled at me and I smiled back because he's cute. Does that count as flirting hehe? Anyway, I left before they did so didn't know if he really offed a third boy.

That roof generates differing opinions. For example, my mate thinks its great and the prefect protection from the elements. Personally I miss being able to sit out in the soi of a night with a drink and a boy and look up at the stars; the romantic in me haha. Fortunately for me there are still bars in the Complex outside the roofed area, such as little JoJo Bar just across from Soda Massage where I can still drink, chat to a boy and gaze up at the stars 😂.

If you stay in Silom and want them to deliver, they quote 3500.

Whats odd about the ability to see your hired boy showering from the convenient of your bedroom? Lol

A group of 4 or 5 Korean young ladies on holiday were at the sofa in the corner behind me. The Jupiter guys were more than happy to be invited to their table but they only had single drinks. They watched the show with the guys they invited but they left after show. No offs. The guys they invited were the handsome ones with K-pop looks including a tall guy in round glasses. Show was good. Professional and entertaining. Performances were staggered. After about 3 or 4 acts, the Jupiter guys would parade on stage. Clever strategy of allowing customers to look at prospective offs. About 25 guys in all. Many handsome and with good bodies. I recognise some of the guys including two who used to work at Moonlight. Everyone looked so good. Mamasan plonked himself next to me and asked if I was keen to off a guy. Naturally I asked about price. ST 2500. LT 4500 to 5000. "But you can negotiate with boy," mamasan added. Gulp. I stayed on after the show at midnight just to listen to Poppy and Jay. 4 Chinese customers - 3 guys and a lady - came in. They got sofa by side of stage. Bottles were brought to them and around 7 to 8 Jupiter guys went to sit with them drinking, singing and dancing. I also must mention lady boss who entered bar at probably 11pm with stacks of crisp 100 baht notes. She was dressed in all-white pants suit. She had the no-nonsense-don't-mess-with-me look. Waiters and mamasans steered clear of her and she supervised things from a distance. When the Chinese customers came, she went to sit with them. At around 12.30am, a single lady came in. She had bottle service. Mamasan sent one Jupiter guy to sit with her while she listened to Poppy and Jay sing. Half an hour, she left with the guy. The Jupiter guys crowded around the Chinese group had a great time. The VIPs were invited to sing karaoke and two of the guys who sang were actually not bad! The lady's singing was another matter. One Jupiter guy (the one with lots of tattoos and is always the first one on stage during parade) sang Careless Whisper. Decent singing skills to add to his impressive list of skills. The Jupiter guys were enjoying themselves so much that they danced on stage (some obviously drunk) and they even took a group photo shirtless. I wonder if mamasans would ever share this gem and rarity of a photo. Probably with only regular or big spending customers.

Day 7 was a Saturday and I spent the day at Chatuchak. Came back to hotel for afternoon nap. Hungry after i woke up so went for early dinner. On way back, passed by Hotmale bar so had a beer. 140 baht only. It was 7 plus and soi was dark. Dreamboys did not switch on outside lights. Several gay tourists walked into soi and looked at stairs leading to Freshboys. Too early, come back later, the Hotmale waiters told them. Chatted the Hotmale waiter who served me. From Laos. He worked at bar the past 2 years through Covid. He was busy getting bar ready for the night so I couldn't chat more with him. Freshboys Laos guy whom I offed 2 nights ago walked past with friend. I offered to buy them beer but they said they were late. They had to grab dinner and report to bar. His friend was also from Laos. Tall and handsome. @Min had eyes on him when we were at Freshboys together. I thought of a threesome with both Laos guys but seeing how straight they were, i doubt they would agree to the idea.

Day 4 No problems with early rising and rinsing, at 7.30 on the dot we entered world famous , jimbill joined us there and after breakfast we hailed taxi and went to the Grand Palace. Taxi from Silom was less than 100 .There is some construction so we circulated a bit to find entrance , they made sure we are not wearing shorts. Tickets are 500 , Thais free. Since S is Cambodian I paid for his ticket. Visit was a treat, just like private tour due to early hour and sparse crowds. Even Emerald Buddha temple we had almost to ourselves. We were also pleased with S as he clearly was interested in sights , tried to explain to us some motives and rituals. That was pleasant contrast with last time I was there with a guy who couldn’t wait until we go back. Wat Po with Reclining Buddha is walking distance but ever stylish we took tuk-tuk to take us there, 50 baht for good start of the day for driver. The same situation , few visitors, while in normal times seeing Reclining Buddha is testing patience, fact well testified by signs on the floor ‘wait here” and so on. Us three and perhaps two Japanese girls was all crowd in the grand hall with statue. Instead taxi or MRT ( Sanam Luang station nearby is very impressive ) we decided to go by the river to walked to a Wat Arun ferry nearby. They made us waiting 15 minutes so we had some beer and S called him Mom in Cambodia proudly showing her farangs he was guide of , at least this is how he presented us I presume. Don’t believe he said ,”mom , tonight I slept with that grey haired guy in glasses, he snores like saw mill “. Ferry is whole 4 baht , 25% rise from Decemver when I paid only 3. From Wat Arun we took tourist boat to Saphan Taksin at 50 a piece for single trip and there by BTS to Silom where we parted our ways. Than you both gentlemen for such interesting trip. Jet lag is still there so I had some rest in the room, went to change money as at those tip rates is almost daily ritual, did some laundry and at dark to soi 4 for my daily schnitzel .I truly don’t like soi 4 and never did but somehow this trip I’m frequenting it daily, shame on me. After dinner to Hot Male downstairs bar for chat with paulsf, jimbill and bar boys there with Alex behind the counter and tiny Laotioan clingy as always. From my rotation today was supposed to be Jupiter day so it’s where we went to feast on their handsome guys , in process to get frozen and deaf at the same time. A/C was set waaaaaaaaaaaaay too low and sound volume waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. We had out drinks , watched the show and parade of their semi-gods looking great and even greater but lacking smiles as always but due to noise it was impossible to say and hear the word so with great relief we left that noisy Arctic and I went to Tawan . I wanted to off Dum who fortunately was available and I sensed , upon seeing me full of hope today will be his turn. It was late so not much time in bar, drink , off fee and off we went to Raya. Since I offed him few times in the past he had all advantages of known quality. Wanted 4000, I offered 3000, he reluctantly but wisely agreed . Why wisely ? Because that was max I ordered myself to offer for tonight. K, hero of my first night no doubt told him what he got as they are friends and hailing from the same city but muscle beats belly any time in my books and he knew it. But there are very few babies in the world who have such silky skin Dum has. So I finished day 4 holding 30 y.o. baby in my arms.

Day 3 After morning round, shower together and then compensation time. 3000 is my long time offer and V is giving me back 1000 saying that 2000 is enough. To his credit it took some persuasion for him to accept my offer, well deserved after all and matching what I paid him when we met in Dec. I was still pleased by his lack of greed . Advantage of dealing with guy who is nor bar affiliated and has regular job. After financials were settled we went to Foodland for breakfast and parted our ways , not for long that’s sure . I went to dentist Dr. Smile to fix chipped out tooth at substantial savings compared to home prices. In between all that debauchery there are some digital activities. Some guy from Grindr is sending me at least twice a day messages’ do you want massage” , no name , no nick , no face pic on his profile but picture is showing quite muscular torso and thigs so I asked if picture is his and he confirmed. One of members is recommending me masseur he had home visit from when he was in Thailand earlier and I’m taking that recommendation seriously as he is one who found V and helped me in Dec to hook up with former model X. And speaking about X, he is sending me Line messages subtly asking to visit his business, no doubt having hope for some lucrative contracts for in the room meetings. So I went to see it all the way to lower Sukhumvit but it turned up he gave me wrong directions , did not find his business but had a chance to see unknown part of BKK. Upon return to Raya I collapsed on the bed – jet lag, usually third day which is today is worst for me. After hour or two sleeping I went to see some curiosity reader reported on in winter – Polish sweet shop Paczkarnia in Chula University campus. Since it’s not that far really and I’m not Asian I just walked there and found it quite easily with help of google maps and small polish flag hanging outside , tasted their paczek (donut) and cold coffee called Warsaw Fog and kept walking to National Stadium BTS to return home by train. At 8 p.m. jimbill, anddy and me met at G’Bangkok, German restaurant in soi 4 for a dinner. For some reason this trip I developed taste for their schnitzels and world will see me dining there almost daily, bringing few guys with me so they could taste farang food. There’s security – they have Thai and fusion food on the menu in case your guy is not keen on farang stuff. Well fed all three of us set for discovery mission , New Twilight bar , newest addition to Bangkok scene and quite impressive at that. Clearly lot of money was spent sprucing the place and we were curious how it is. Few boys in t-shirt and jeans on the stage , few familiar faces from other bars , quite a few new and visibly shy on the stage but shyness was soothed by few red notes and it was kind of visible that tip was booster to newbies standing. More next door type with aspirations and as far as I could see most of them offable. Show first though, well choreographed with good execution and real dancing. No nudity though. After show guys returned to stage bare chested which confirmed that # 4 on whom I had my eyes from beginning. I saw his pics earlier somewhere so called him over. Let call him S , Cambodian, quite very handsome so I did not waste much time , agreed to go with me. What about the price ? Sticker shock, 3000 short time , 5000 long. As uninvited mamasan explained before anybody asked that’s the model price for model quality. That ambitious assessment although guy stood out a bit so being in early, naïve and still well financed stage of my trip I agreed . Bar has funny vibe, in big part thanks to youngish owner who seeing that off is in the cards rushed I out advertising promotion “ take 2 boys and third one will be free and that will be me “. Not excessive claim and yes for free I’d consider to take him out as he looks quite good , at least when fully dressed. So we had fun and I got a guy. He declined my usual dinner offer but hearing that tomorrow morning jimbill and me are going to Grand Palace, expressed an interest in going with us. He was not even unfazed when I told him that we are going early in order to beat the crowds and breakfast will be at 7.30. Good catch and quite energetic , accepting even early morning gymnastics so I was happy with my day 3 and guy who helped me to finish the day but was it worth 5000 ? My original note from that morning says ‘ overpaid but not without sense “ which for me means next off only next trip but yes , I’d go for him but at standard price , perhaps more than once but S is lacking muscle for me to pay premium fee.

The younger guy/older samurai was certainly a large part of Japanese culture for centuries. It was actually introduced to Japan by a bonze from China around 800 years ago. It was rarely a long term relationship. Once the youth had passed into adulthood, he would be expected to marry and start a family. Eventually the practice came to be frowned upon by the later shogun rulers. Gay boys then tended to become prostitutes and actors but continued in great demand. If there was a golden age for homosexuality in Japan it was between 1650 and 1750. Everything changed during the Meiji Restoration. The Americans were largely responsible. The mass of Christian missionaries that followed in the wake of the warships were one reason. But equally the rulers of the country had come to believe that male/male relationships were 'unnatural'. The collapse of the country's feudal structure no doubt also played a part. You have to remember that much of Japan was destroyed during World War 2. The country was also flooded with vast numbers of GIs, both then and again during the Korean War. Not a few of these were either gay or happy to spend time with a smooth young gay Japanese for a few dollars. Most Japanese, though, had to work extremely hard to drag the country back on to its feet. By the early 1970s this was becoming much more successful than most had hoped. Foreigners started working in Japan as overseas companies moved in. Some certainly were gay, as were some younger Japanese. Whereas the word gay took decades to enter the lingua franca of most countries, the Japanese word 'gei' found almost immediate acceptance. Soon gay bars were to spring up. By the late 1950s, there were more than 20 gay bars in Tokyo - more than in most western cities at the time. Soon the Japanese media were writing about a boom in gay establishments. The real gay boom started in the 1980s and early 1990s. If you were a gay young Japanese, you finally had a chance of exploring your sexuality. Most Japanese lived in what we would term tiny homes, many without bathing facilities. So there were community bathing centres. If you lived in one district, the chances were you or your family were known to most in that district. Being openly gay was still frowned upon. On the other hand, if you spent an evening a week in a gay bar quite far removed from your home, you would have the chance of meeting up with a foreigner. With luck, you might develop a relationship with him. With even greater luck you would move in with him. By Japanese standards, foreigners had vastly bigger apartments and had perks like entertaining and travel allowances. Many younger Japanese learned about the world as a result. Some relationships lasted. I know one American/Japanese gay couple who met in a bar in 1985 and have been together ever since. Others faded. The tradition of older/younger still continued, however. Even in the 1980s, there was an unwritten understanding that if a young Japanese had a relationship with an oder foreigner, not only would he enjoy a much better quality of life, before the relationship soured, the foreigner would have enabled the Japanese to start a small business. So foreign boyfriends were greatly sought after. Everything began to change again towards the end of the century. Many Japanese had become a great deal richer. This was in part a result of the Reagan administration forcing up the value of the Yen - in 1980, US$1 bought ¥260; by 1999, it was a little over Y100 - finding a foreigner was no longer essential. Japanese had begun to find their fellow Japanese just as attractive, physically as well as financially. That's not to say cross cultural relationships do not continue. They do. But if you do not live in Japan, it has become much more difficult.

I have a twitter account to follow porn stars, rent boys, and the occasional more serious poster. Twitter's a cesspool, so I don't take it too seriously or really engage, but I've noticed an interesting trend in the last couple of weeks. Onlyfan scams hitting my "suggested" follows lists. For example, this guy: https://twitter.com/xjohnclyde/status/1536371969423458304 They all do the same style of shots. I've seen half a dozen or so in the last 2 weeks come through my suggested follows. Wish I'd followed them so I could pull up more examples. All hot guy in tight shorts showing a huge cock. I'm pretty sure the cock is a dildo or the like, apparently even the same model since the shots look so damn similar except for the guy himself. They all have onlyfans, and they all have lots of followers, even though they just started posting in the last month or so (fake follows to go with fake guys, I guess). Not sure the guys are even real, given the ability to create entirely fake pictures these days. It may be all the work of one very clever scammer with his bot network. No real point to this, just I guess I feel bad for all the credulous fools who will pay for this.

Jason...this is a really good thread, I feel like I'm there with you....very detailed.

that's novelty. I almost always buy boy a drink when have him sitting with me but if I'd be decided to off guy without interview I just wave him over and ask him to dress and off we go. Sometimes, not too often I rather tip boy than waste money on drink so I say no to drink question and they go away. But you were right not to create any commotion over such trivial , at end of day, issue

This website is sooo well designed, it is insane. And 12 hours overnights at your hotel for less than $300 for everyone !!!!!!

Officials out in force in Silom Soi 4 and Patpong - Covid, fire and safety checks to fulfil new governor's aims

And they often inflate the tips they received from other customers as well (the anchor effect in psychology). Many MBs I met has his "A-customer-gave-me-5000-for-ST" story and for Viet boys, who claim "top-only", the "A-customer-offered-10000-for-f*cking-me-but-I-said-no" story (hint: I'm waiting for a higher bidder)

problem with those websites is that they are not updated regularly so I wouldn't place much hope buys from the pics will be still there

It's Nấm spa (nấm means Mushroom in Vietnamese), a quite well-known men spa in HCM City. You can just select any point in the central area of District 10 on the map and search for guys in the radius of 2 km, it should work. If you want to narrow it down further, then locate sub-district or ward 12 (phường 12, quận 10 in Vietnamese). Both Nam Spa and also Bi Spa (where the boy in the story mentioned earlier works) are located in that sub-district. I suspect there are tips shared among the boys on how to deal with returning customers If you do this, if you do that whenever you see the customer, you'll have a better chance of a repeat. I remember one Thai boy who worked as a waiter in the old Jupiter (when it was still at the place where Moonlight now is). I offed him from the bar and had great time. He was a newbie, just started working at Jupiter and it looked like I was his first customer, fresh and nice, did whatever I told him to do and was undemanding. Then the second time when I told him to go straight to my hotel, I could tell his behavior changed. Asked for more money, asked for taxi fares, brought me a card with some English writing (most words misspelt, including my name) :), kept asking when I would see him again. Obviously, someone told him to do all kinds of stuff to win me over and more importantly get more money. He tried, but very awkwardly

Some on here are looking only for sex. Others are looking to make connections and experience another culture. Neither position is wrong but I do think it greatly influences one’s response to the are free-Grindr-meets-a-good-use-of-time-while-on-travel question. Transactional sex is fine but I like making connections too. For example, last month when I was in Rio, I learned where to go in Rocinha to buy weed…. The gangsters have a store with with a large black pig named Elizabeth out front…. I don’t smoke but, well, it doesn’t get more authentic than that which is what I was looking for on that particular day of my vacation.

They're both good in their own way, so I usually split my time between them. Bangkok has better attractions for tourist activities and some really great restaurants and shopping. Pattaya gives me more of a holiday feeling for me, it's a more relaxed vibe with a slower pace but can get boring if I stay too long. As a generalization, the twinkier boys in the gogos and non-p4p boys I meet are more attractive in Bangkok. The exception to this was my last trip in April because Pattaya had more venues open so more variety of boys, but I'm hoping that by the time I return later this year things will be a little more 'back to normal'.

not my experience unless we replace 100% with 33%, then I can agree. Perhpas my good luck but I just counted goings from last trip reported in this thread. Out of 14 cases I paid over the odds / market , you name it, I'm fully satisfied with 10 ( 3 different guys, 2 new , 1 known from previous trip ). Yes , perhaps argument can be made I'm not demanding enough but still I think I'm in better position to assess what is good value for me. Other 4 cases I can describe as very satisfied but overpaid (1), price was ok but I expected more (2) and price and performance were matching but guy reneged on time promise which is important to me so money partially misspent. (1). Both "price was Ok but I expected more" were guys I offed on previous trips and it's why I'm bit bitter/ disappointed. On another hand shortly I'll be reporting short time engagement from Grindr in Pattaya, 1500 and I don't even recall guy's face and body and it was only 3 weeks ago tomorrow. I rather add 2000 for memories

From Bangkok Post A large majority of respondents say people of a "third gender" are acceptable to them, according to an opinion survey by the National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll. The poll was conducted on June 8-10 by telephone interviews with 1,310 people aged 15 and over of various levels of education and occupations throughout the country to gauge their attitude toward people of a "third gender". Asked whether people of a "third gender" are acceptable to them as friends or colleagues at workplaces, 92.82% said "yes" and 7.18% said "no." Asked what if a member of their family is a "third gender", 90.61% said he or she would be acceptable to them; 9.31% said "no"; and 0.08% had no answers or were uncertain. To the question whether people of a "third gender" should be allowed to change the titles preceding their names, 63.59% said "yes"; 36.18% "no"; and 0.23% had no answers or were uncertain. Of the 833 respondents who agreed with allowing people of a "third gender" to change their name titles, when asked which groups should be allowed to do so, 57.62% said all groups and 42.38% said only those who have undergone sex changes should be allowed. Asked about having a law to legalise same-sex marriage, 79.62% agreed with it and 20.38% disagreed. Asked whether there should be an additional gender marking in official papers to be filled up by people of a "third gender", 77.63% said "yes"; 22.14% said "no"; and 0.23% had no answers or were uncertain.

actually many claim they are freelancers so they are not paid other than for show participation and cut on drink price . As for tips from customers it may be lottery specially for less popular and less endowed guys. Reaction of one New twilight guy on his 100 tip he received from one of our members showed that it was feast not seen for quite a while as he showed it to his friends and was kind of applauded.

yes, but those places are only shades of former glory while Foodland Patpong is still alive and kicking , specially now when it was awarded World Heritage badge by UNESCO to which this board members were instrumental , LOL

Some interesting characters at Jupiter tonight. A lone Chinese lady was at VIP sofa surrounded by mamasans and a Jupiter guy. At front seats sofas were 2 separate Asian customers with one Jupiter guy each. One of them is Thai and he had bottle service. He would stay all the way until closing time. The other, i wasn't sure whether is Thai or not, but throughout the night he was chatting with his Jupiter guy about the other Jupiter guys as they paraded on stage and down the runway. He would invite a guy down and the three of them would chat while watching the show. He didn't have bottle service. He only had 2 drinks for himself and his guy. I think about 5 different guys sat down to chat. Finally, after the show at midnight, he found the right guy and 3 of them left for a threesome.

Went back to hotel to rest. At 9.30pm went to Jupiter. Similar to Moonlight. Pay 400 baht at entrance for one drink. There was a singer singing to about 15 customers spread throughout the seats. I was given seat on a stool with table facing front of stage. It wasn't the sofas in front. Those are reserved for bottle service or regular customers. I recognise the singer. It was Poppy. Before Covid, he used to sing with another guy PJ. Now he sings alone from 9.30pm to 10.30pm when the show starts and he sings again from midnight to 2am (yes, Jupiter opens till that late!) with a new young singer named Jay. Jay and Poppy are so different. Jay is taller and muscular and dressed like a rapper. But he can sing and somehow their combination managed to work. Before show started at 10.30pm, i asked mamasan to help me inform Poppy that i would like to talk to him. Poppy came over. I showed him a photo of me and him and PJ from 2020 and he remembered me. He sings now on Saturday, Sunday and Wednesday. I was glad to see him again. I gave him a 500-baht note to show my appreciation for his singing.

At night, I went to Moonlight. It was 10pm but it was a full house. There were 4 rich Thais sitting with Nicky with bottle service. Smart, Tam and Babe were standing and drinking with them together with mamasan. Nicky has his fans! Only some seats left and I had to sit at the side. But it was a good seat because I get to watch the boys on stage so closely and I get to look at the audience. I saw a group of 6 young Taiwanese tourists in their mid 20s. I really envy the guys in Taiwan. Their society is so open and accepting of gays. The 6 Taiwanese tourists thoroughly enjoyed the show when they left. One of them tipped the models on behalf of the whole group. They didn't off anyone. I presume because they were already coupled up and had each other. I can imagine them partying like no tomorrow at DJ Station. 5 models tonight - Smart, Nut, Tam, Nicky and Babe. Smart and Nut took part in an impressive Spanish bull fight. Nicky had an individual show as a broken hearted lover. At the end of his show, he opened his jacket to show a blood-stained shirt inside. Even though his lip synching was on point and he put up a good performance, it could not compare to Babe's performance. Babe did an energetic dance number to Jackson Wang's hit single LMLY with the opening lyrics: You don't call me baby You call me my name But I keep on hoping Nothing has changed Babe is a natural performer. I dare say the audience would agree that his performance was the best of the night. Except for Nicky's fans! Lol! Total of 12 floor boys. After show ended at 11.30pm, only 8 floor boys came out meaning 4 offs during the show. I found 3 of the 8 very offable but i had already had my share of fun in the afternoon with Mr J at K Man Spa massage. I slipped a 100 baht tip to no.15 and left for the night.

Day 6. I took BTS to Saphan Khwai to visit K Man Spa which has been getting good reviews by forum members. It was 2pm and there was only one guy in glasses at counter. Geeky and so my type. I settled on aroma massage. 600 baht for 1.5 hours. Minimum tip of 800 baht. Counter guy showed me photos of available massage guys using his handphone. "I want gay only," I said. From more than 10 guys, the selection was narrowed down to 2 guys. I looked at the photos and picked the shorter guy. The other guy was 1.8 metres tall and too tall for me. "I bring you to room first while i call Mr J to come," said counter guy. What a waste that counter guy wasn't gay. He took me to 2nd floor to a longish room. I took a shower in toilet outside and then got ready on massage bed. 10 minutes later, Mr J came in. He was fully clothed and had sling pouch over his shoulder. He had obviously been at home or elsewhere and rushed down after receiving message. "Thank you for waiting. Give me one moment." He went out for quick shower and came back in towel. I believe counter guy had already told him that I was specifically looking for gay massage guys. Mr J removed his towel and started massaging me in the nude. Excellent 1.5 hours spent - Mr J took the initiative and did everything first - sucking, fucking and kissing! He was a bit rough for my taste when it came to fucking but it was still ok. I love our kissing when i was on his dick. Eventually, I ejaculated on his body, happy to have found Mr J. I didn't insist he cum. He took me to toilet outside and showered with me while washing off the aroma oil. I happily tipped him 1500 baht and left a happy customer.

Thailand has three seasons. There is the "cool" season between December and February where the midday temperature is about 31 or 32 degrees and little rain. Then there's the hot dry season from March to May with daily maximums reaching 35 to 37 degrees. Humidity rises month by month till it gets quite uncomfortable in May. Not much rain. The monsoon arrives in June. This is warm rain coming down in buckets for about 1 or 2 hours a day, about 4 or 5 days each week. Often with thunder and lightning. Quite different from the gentler but more persistent rain seen in Europe. Between rainstorms, it tends to be hot ( max 33 or 34 degrees) and humid, but after it has rained, the rest of the day is cooler. Rainy days reach a peak in September. That month and October is also when Bangkok is most likely to flood. The amount of monsoon water coming down the Chao Praya river is huge. My observation is that the cool season tourism peak is largely a farang (westerner) phenomenon. Partly it's because, as others have said, the weather is the best of the three seasons, but I think an equally important driver is the fact that Europeans and Canadians are keen to escape their winters. Pre-covid, the mass migration of Russians each winter to the beaches of Thailand was impossible to miss. Asian tourists - and they are the majority of visitors that Thailand gets - are more used to higher humidity and tropical weather. I don't think there is much of a peak for them, with the possible exception of a trough in March and April when the daily maximums are too hot even for them. Most Asian countries also have monsoonal weather patterns, and rain is hardly a deterrent to them. They are used to it and know how to cope. Summers in Taiwan and Japan are not different from Thailand's monsoon season. Then there are the farang visitors who through experience have adapted to Thailand's temperatures and moisture levels, and they are quite happy to come in any season. Adaptation includes knowing what to wear for warm humid days: the lightest possible cotton t-shirts, shorts and sandals. Have a broad-brimmed hat if you want to avoid sunburn on the bald patch. Learn from the Asians and always walk in the shade, never in the sun if at all you can avoid it. In Europe the sun is your friend; in the tropics, the shade is your friend. Scoot into air-conditioned malls regularly to cool off and hydrate frequently. I don't think there is all that much difference between the conditions in Bangkok and the close-by beach towns. The main difference is that the beaches get a steady sea breeze which even in the hottest months, is very pleasant. But if one is not a beach aficionado and spend little time on the beach, then the built-up parts of the beach towns feel pretty similar to built-up Bangkok.

Readers of my reports will probably have formed the impression of me as a hopless romantic seeking intimicy and friendship. It's generally true because back in Singapore, I am discrete and am not in the gay scene. So when I am in Bangkok, I seek guys to talk to and hang out with. I have come to know several guys well over the past 5 years - P and T plus a Vietnam guy who went back to Ha Tinh and whom I have been giving financial support every month. I call him "kon nuoi" and he calls me "cha nuoi" - which means godson and godpa respectively. But sometimes lust takes over and this is what happened when I called a guy down from the stage at Freshboys. Mamasan came immediately to me with a worried look. "Lao boy. No speak English. Top." "It's ok," I replied. I just wanted to be fucked wildly tonight.

Before Covid, Freshboys was in my top 3 bars (the others being Lucky Boys and Screwboys). I am happy to report that Freshboys remains the same as before. Lots of boys (about 15 to 16) of all types. All nationalities available. However, all in jeans. No parading in underwear. So have to rely on looking at their charming faces and fit bare bodies. No. 1 and No. 8 stood out for me for being extremely handsome. I also looked at the waiters and found them very handsome as well! Show started at 10.15pm which is earlier than expected. I believe once there's around 10 customers, they will start show. Fellow forum member and I were given front seats. First act was ladyboy lip synching. Only one ladyboy in the bar and she does 3 perfomances. "She's the in-house ladyboy," said fellow forum member which made me laugh. Such a pity that there's no trained dancers to accompany her on stage. There's coyote dancing by 5 of the floor boys but some of them are just not natural dancers. Other acts in the show included a solo jerk off, a SM routine between in-house ladyboy as a domimatrix and a guy in SM gear, big cock show with cock hitting metal poles (4 guys) and fucking show by 2 guys. I tipped most of the performers. Show ended at 11.30pm. Floor guys came back on stage. I had lost track of the time. "Are we still going to Moonlight?" I asked fellow forum member. Before covid, bars had two shows at 10plus and midnight but now bars close at midnight. Pointless to go to Moonlight with only half an hour left. So decision made to remain at Freshboys. Now to decide whether to off a guy.

any time is good to go, as floridarob mentioned above December and also January have mildest weather and almost no rain any month seems to be good to go for one reason or other. Even in months of heaviest rain like Sept and Oct is nor raining cats and dogs for days but there are substantial but relatively short downpurs , usually in the afternoon. Yes it's sticky from Feb to Nov but that is what tropics are for - to hydrate dry farang skin. For draining your wallet any of 12 months is equally suitable

The good beds are in california..... I know some Brazilians that did videos for them....he travels, is well known, also in Cuba for a period.

Wow, did you write a book on this topic, or something?

Thx I asked, bcs my nonsexual fantasy is to have real conversations with these youngsters about anything but sex....

Determining where BLM is "located" is only relevant for tax purposes, I guess. Since the very beginning, BLM has been a porn brand and not a conventional studio. There is no studio, but hotel rooms and friends' bedrooms where the scenes are filmed. I guess the question is not where the studio is located, but where the scenes are recorded. If you set their video library in chronological order, you can distinguish quite clear "seasons". For a long times the videos location seem to be Mexico or the USA Southern border. There is no much difference and to me is hard to tell when the action is taking place in California or in Mexico. Then there are several videos from Argentina. I am not sure whether the guy behind the brand traveled over there, or bought a pack of videos produced in Buenos Aires. Finally, all the videos are located in Colombia.

YT just recommended MAMA GOGO to me. As best I can tell it's not really gay, but former singing starlet with big boobs inherits gogo bar that caters to women. So lots of shirtless hot men might be of interest

A reason why many of us spend months instead of weeks in Thailand.

Ever been to the Malaysia Hotel coffee shop.....back in the day before apps and the internet, there and the surawong hotel coffee shop used to be the late night hookup places for many guys that didn't get an off....really good Thai and some western food options too. There's usually a table of cops eating and always 1 cute young one, I have the waitress slip the cute one my number discreetly....in all the years it only worked one time, but we hooked up 😁 The differences between BKK & Pattaya along with what everyone else said.....Pattaya seems to be the minor league training camp for BKK. My percentage of good sex is much higher in BKK. Bkk has better dining options and easier to get around more things to do. Pattaya gets a lot of the much older crowd that is happy to have someone sitting with them for company, more than the crazy sex in bed like BKK. Guys in BKK are generally better looking both in twinks and tough guy types (there is a word used in Mexico, Chakal that describes this type perfectly, lol)

It seems not to have been noticed by posters that earlier this week the Thai Cabinet gave its approval to a Same Sex Civil Partnership Bill. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2322310/same-sex-partnership-bill-gets-nod A Civil Partnership Bill has been discussed in Cabinet over the last 10 years and thing has happened. Clearly there will be lots of hurdles before the Bill can become law. This is especially true given Thai society's conservatism. As Nikkei Asia points out, on the day of the Cabinet decision https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Society/Thailand-s-historic-LGBT-bill-exposes-rifts-inside-community The Nikkei article adds there is a "strong rift" between certain groups within the LGBT community.

Guy with number 28 tag appealed to me. But just as I wanted to invite him over, he and another guy were summoned to the group of Chinese customers. Grrr. Mamasan was friendly and very good in English. I had a feeling that I had spoken to him in the past because his accent seemed familiar. I asked him if he worked at other bars before coming to New Twilight. Yes, he replied. He was at Moonlight. He said his friend asked him to go over. We made small talk while toasting drinks. A waiter caught my eye. Slim and boyish. Likely gay. I think the experience with straight massage guy in afternoon had scarred me (and my poor manhandled dick). I definitely wanted a gay companion for the night. I asked mamasan, "Waiter go with customer?" "Yes, but only after show finish at 11.30." Jackpot!

Next time you are in Japan, don't shy away. In Tokyo there are bars like the basement GB which can accommodate around 40 and where gaijin (Japanese looking for western guys) will often congregate. The oddly named Arty Farty is another, although it is up a flight of stairs, Dragon Men and Aiiro Cafe amongst others. Kinsmen on the first floor of a building is a lovely bar usually with a lerge floral decoration and a mix of customers. An older small disco and bar, New Sazae, is on the first floor in the building next to Kinsmen has been a focus of the gay scene for decades! Forget about suits. All the above and most others are totally casual.