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Day 4 No problems with early rising and rinsing, at 7.30 on the dot we entered world famous , jimbill joined us there and after breakfast we hailed taxi and went to the Grand Palace. Taxi from Silom was less than 100 .There is some construction so we circulated a bit to find entrance , they made sure we are not wearing shorts. Tickets are 500 , Thais free. Since S is Cambodian I paid for his ticket. Visit was a treat, just like private tour due to early hour and sparse crowds. Even Emerald Buddha temple we had almost to ourselves. We were also pleased with S as he clearly was interested in sights , tried to explain to us some motives and rituals. That was pleasant contrast with last time I was there with a guy who couldn’t wait until we go back. Wat Po with Reclining Buddha is walking distance but ever stylish we took tuk-tuk to take us there, 50 baht for good start of the day for driver. The same situation , few visitors, while in normal times seeing Reclining Buddha is testing patience, fact well testified by signs on the floor ‘wait here” and so on. Us three and perhaps two Japanese girls was all crowd in the grand hall with statue. Instead taxi or MRT ( Sanam Luang station nearby is very impressive ) we decided to go by the river to walked to a Wat Arun ferry nearby. They made us waiting 15 minutes so we had some beer and S called him Mom in Cambodia proudly showing her farangs he was guide of , at least this is how he presented us I presume. Don’t believe he said ,”mom , tonight I slept with that grey haired guy in glasses, he snores like saw mill “. Ferry is whole 4 baht , 25% rise from Decemver when I paid only 3. From Wat Arun we took tourist boat to Saphan Taksin at 50 a piece for single trip and there by BTS to Silom where we parted our ways. Than you both gentlemen for such interesting trip. Jet lag is still there so I had some rest in the room, went to change money as at those tip rates is almost daily ritual, did some laundry and at dark to soi 4 for my daily schnitzel .I truly don’t like soi 4 and never did but somehow this trip I’m frequenting it daily, shame on me. After dinner to Hot Male downstairs bar for chat with paulsf, jimbill and bar boys there with Alex behind the counter and tiny Laotioan clingy as always. From my rotation today was supposed to be Jupiter day so it’s where we went to feast on their handsome guys , in process to get frozen and deaf at the same time. A/C was set waaaaaaaaaaaaay too low and sound volume waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. We had out drinks , watched the show and parade of their semi-gods looking great and even greater but lacking smiles as always but due to noise it was impossible to say and hear the word so with great relief we left that noisy Arctic and I went to Tawan . I wanted to off Dum who fortunately was available and I sensed , upon seeing me full of hope today will be his turn. It was late so not much time in bar, drink , off fee and off we went to Raya. Since I offed him few times in the past he had all advantages of known quality. Wanted 4000, I offered 3000, he reluctantly but wisely agreed . Why wisely ? Because that was max I ordered myself to offer for tonight. K, hero of my first night no doubt told him what he got as they are friends and hailing from the same city but muscle beats belly any time in my books and he knew it. But there are very few babies in the world who have such silky skin Dum has. So I finished day 4 holding 30 y.o. baby in my arms.

yes, but those places are only shades of former glory while Foodland Patpong is still alive and kicking , specially now when it was awarded World Heritage badge by UNESCO to which this board members were instrumental , LOL

Good for the boy who brave enough to stand for his right. A deal is a deal. Both party, boy and client should deliver their part of the deal unless one party didnt deliver. Although, since we didnt here from the client's side, i cant really say who is in the right. But i wouldnt want to be in that situation as well, and will just pay up to avoid trouble and put it as a price of learning experience.

Indeed on my last trip, I had had much better luck with app boys than the bar ones. The two boys I offed from bar look great but total dud in bed. The boy in the above post is my second best, and my best is a boy from Chiangmai, who stopped in Bangkok just for one night on his way home. He stayed in Quarter in Soil 6 a few hundreds meters from my own hotel, so we kinda "ran into" each other on Hornet. He only asked for 1000 so there was no haggling. Since he's so close, I asked to meet him in person and he, not just met, but took me directly to his room. I didn't expect this, nor did I expect the sex would be so... inspiring in a so tiny room It all happened less than 30 min from the point we started chatting. I asked him when he would leave Bangkok, thinking for an immediate repeat the next day (I rarely do this) but he said he will fly out early the next morning. Since he said the Quarter room cost him 1500, I gave him all the pocket money I had on me at that point (1800B). I walked from my hotel to his in my shorts, sleeveless T-shirt, slippers, bringing no wallet, condoms or lubes, thinking I would just see if he really looks like his picture

As a follow-up, even though I thought about giving the boy the benefit of the doubt and that he asked for payment in advance just for fear of being cheated, I heeded your advice and moved on to the next boy, who is 19 years old, from Isan, in Bangkok to study (he told me). He used to work part-time in a restaurant, lost his job due to Covid, never worked in a boy bar before. We chatted on Grindr, he seems nice and very accommodating, answering all the questions without attitude. Asked for 2000 then agreed with 1500. So I told him to come to my hotel. I didn't know that at that point @jason1975 was doing more or less the same thing, in the same hotel (just different floor). I got lazy so I copied his narration Anyway, I could tell that the boy was really into me. He was all over me the moment I closed the door. He kept giggling and holding my face with both hands, saying "you are nice". After sex, we cuddled a little and a couple of times I tried to get up (it was time for me to hit the gym), he held me back for a few more minutes. When I gave him the money (the agreed amount + 200B for travel), he said in his broken English: "I like you but not as customer" hehe, so we are like brothers with benefits now? All in all, a happy ending.

Day 6. I took BTS to Saphan Khwai to visit K Man Spa which has been getting good reviews by forum members. It was 2pm and there was only one guy in glasses at counter. Geeky and so my type. I settled on aroma massage. 600 baht for 1.5 hours. Minimum tip of 800 baht. Counter guy showed me photos of available massage guys using his handphone. "I want gay only," I said. From more than 10 guys, the selection was narrowed down to 2 guys. I looked at the photos and picked the shorter guy. The other guy was 1.8 metres tall and too tall for me. "I bring you to room first while i call Mr J to come," said counter guy. What a waste that counter guy wasn't gay. He took me to 2nd floor to a longish room. I took a shower in toilet outside and then got ready on massage bed. 10 minutes later, Mr J came in. He was fully clothed and had sling pouch over his shoulder. He had obviously been at home or elsewhere and rushed down after receiving message. "Thank you for waiting. Give me one moment." He went out for quick shower and came back in towel. I believe counter guy had already told him that I was specifically looking for gay massage guys. Mr J removed his towel and started massaging me in the nude. Excellent 1.5 hours spent - Mr J took the initiative and did everything first - sucking, fucking and kissing! He was a bit rough for my taste when it came to fucking but it was still ok. I love our kissing when i was on his dick. Eventually, I ejaculated on his body, happy to have found Mr J. I didn't insist he cum. He took me to toilet outside and showered with me while washing off the aroma oil. I happily tipped him 1500 baht and left a happy customer.

From Bangkok Post A large majority of respondents say people of a "third gender" are acceptable to them, according to an opinion survey by the National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll. The poll was conducted on June 8-10 by telephone interviews with 1,310 people aged 15 and over of various levels of education and occupations throughout the country to gauge their attitude toward people of a "third gender". Asked whether people of a "third gender" are acceptable to them as friends or colleagues at workplaces, 92.82% said "yes" and 7.18% said "no." Asked what if a member of their family is a "third gender", 90.61% said he or she would be acceptable to them; 9.31% said "no"; and 0.08% had no answers or were uncertain. To the question whether people of a "third gender" should be allowed to change the titles preceding their names, 63.59% said "yes"; 36.18% "no"; and 0.23% had no answers or were uncertain. Of the 833 respondents who agreed with allowing people of a "third gender" to change their name titles, when asked which groups should be allowed to do so, 57.62% said all groups and 42.38% said only those who have undergone sex changes should be allowed. Asked about having a law to legalise same-sex marriage, 79.62% agreed with it and 20.38% disagreed. Asked whether there should be an additional gender marking in official papers to be filled up by people of a "third gender", 77.63% said "yes"; 22.14% said "no"; and 0.23% had no answers or were uncertain.

My experience is that the best looking guys that ask for the most are the least interesting in bed. They love mirrors in the room though, they spend most of the time together looking at themselves. Some that ask for so much also know they probably won't get a 2nd off with you because they know they aren't good and might as well make it all in one lump sum. Even with my experiences in Brasil, I don't go for the muscle Gods that so many like there....I'm more guy next door looks and fun personality. Usually much more enjoyable sex and more fun to be around....and humble.

If you look at falang visitors as a whole, there is a distinction; many of those who are in BKK at a particular time are there for a short period...BKK+ CNX + beach, or variations thereof. Not so many BBK tourists stay for a week or more though I know some do . In Pattaya, on the other hand (or Phuket, for example), the beach location results in tourists staying longer. Not many will travel to Pattaya for just three or so days. There are also business men in BKK who are there for a couple or so nights only and may enjoy a bar or two. Soi Thaniya? This means that the guys on the scene in BKK and Pattaya may have different expectations, or even hopes and aspirations. In Pattaya, a successful interaction may lead to two weeks of paid employment while a BBK mb will be less likely to expect a repeat performance. On balance, I suspect that the Pattaya guy is likely to provide the better service. However, I've read of many falangs who have different experiences. I'm talking in generalities, of course. Another issue may be that the Pattaya guys often live close together and may even have arrived together as a childhood friends. I'm no expert on the bar-scene of today but my distinct recollection is that the Pattaya bars were more fun, with more inter-dancer interaction, teasing and joking and so on, compared to BKK, where the guys were more likely to be workmates...not "mates." Sometimes they may live miles away from anyone else in that bar. Just a recollection, mind you..

Bangkok has a bit of everything all the time. I find muscle boys and twinks in Bangkok but I also found them in Pattaya. For me the main difference is in Pattaya I know the app guys are looking for money, but in Bangkok, it is hit or miss. However, there are still many more guys in Bangkok than Pattaya.

Buy a bottle of Lactacyd 'Pussy Wash' as used by the girls, gentle, sweet smelling and effective in removing odours

not that you care but from all boy places in Bangkok I like soi 4 the least with sole exception of G'Bangkok German restaurant and even this perhaps because it's at soi's mouth so no need to go deeper.

I concur with you and @vinapu Tawan is the friendliest gay bar in Bangkok.

@z909In addition to the Listerine beforehand, I remember reading that @vinapusuggests being freshly shaven each night. My beard grows in pretty quick and nothing ruins full body kissing or rimming more than a guy pulling away due to being ticklish, so I will be following this advice religiously.

By the way, if you guys visit Vietnam and use MBs, you may wanna know about a different but related kind of situation especially when you get a boy through a mediator, a pimping service. Many of those online pimps just scout the apps, looking for any boys who advertise themselves as MB (in Vietnam, we usually use the term call boy or cb instead), then create their own list of "models". As a result, the same boy may appear in multiple lists advertised by different pimps. In many cases, the pimps know next to nothing about their boys and can't answer your questions about the boy's sexual orientation, whether he looks like his pictures, what he would or would not do in bed, etc. Worse still, they also jack up the price quite a bit (for example, if you deal directly with the boy, he may ask for somewhere between 500K and 1 mil VND short time, about 700-1500B or 22-45 USD. Through a pimp, that would become 1-1.5 mil VND (and if they know that you are foreigners, they may quote the price in USD for even more money, so feel free to haggle). The more a pimp can charge you, the more commission he gets (30% of what the boy gets from you). Different pimps may quote you different prices for the same boy. One MB in Ho Chi Minh City told me his story. He got a customer (a Vietnamese overseas) through a pimp and travelled all the way to meet the customer in his centrally-located hotel. The agreed price is 1.2 mil (which means the pimp's cut is 400K). However, the customer, for whatever reasons, changed his mind and didn't want sex. He offered the boy 500K for "meeting and chatting". The boy told me: he had to give the pimp his cut of 400K no matter what, and the remaining 100K wasn't even enough to cover his two-way taxi fare. So he insisted the customer pay the agreed amount because a deal was a deal. When the customer refused, you know what the boy did? Right there in the middle of the hotel lobby, he (kinda small-built) jumped on the guy (tall and big) and screamed in Vietnamese. I need a moment think how I should translate this into English... "Everyone, this jerk's trying to stiff a whore! This jerk's trying to stiff a whore!" (that's how we make a scene in Vietnam). You probably know the ending right? The customer paid up and the boy left, but damages already done.

who quoted you ? mamasan or guys themselves ? I'd never get mamasan involved in price negotiation unless befriended him before as they tend to inflate prices and then press guys to share the spoils. That's most common explanation I hear when I ask guys why they changed bars or massage joint Based on my experience you did right thing by declining. I went for it and it did not really worked out as I dreamed, report in few days this is how market economy works. On another hand even 1 off per week at 5000 is still 20000 per month

I would not let that stop you from getting acquainted with the fun-loving caleños. The warning about Cali applies to the regions surrounding Valle de Cauca which are major producers, and the nearby city of Buenaventura is a major export centre, meaning that there a many unsavoury characters running around who have no patience for a clueless foreigner. The entire area from Valle de Cauca to Riseralda (Pereira) is very safe now. The city of Cali is a different Colombian experience to be certain, but the culture is highly social, famous for salsa, lively music and boisterous gatherings where all are welcome. The caleños love a good time and enjoying life. It is certainly one of the cities not to be missed in Colombia.

At night, I went to Moonlight. It was 10pm but it was a full house. There were 4 rich Thais sitting with Nicky with bottle service. Smart, Tam and Babe were standing and drinking with them together with mamasan. Nicky has his fans! Only some seats left and I had to sit at the side. But it was a good seat because I get to watch the boys on stage so closely and I get to look at the audience. I saw a group of 6 young Taiwanese tourists in their mid 20s. I really envy the guys in Taiwan. Their society is so open and accepting of gays. The 6 Taiwanese tourists thoroughly enjoyed the show when they left. One of them tipped the models on behalf of the whole group. They didn't off anyone. I presume because they were already coupled up and had each other. I can imagine them partying like no tomorrow at DJ Station. 5 models tonight - Smart, Nut, Tam, Nicky and Babe. Smart and Nut took part in an impressive Spanish bull fight. Nicky had an individual show as a broken hearted lover. At the end of his show, he opened his jacket to show a blood-stained shirt inside. Even though his lip synching was on point and he put up a good performance, it could not compare to Babe's performance. Babe did an energetic dance number to Jackson Wang's hit single LMLY with the opening lyrics: You don't call me baby You call me my name But I keep on hoping Nothing has changed Babe is a natural performer. I dare say the audience would agree that his performance was the best of the night. Except for Nicky's fans! Lol! Total of 12 floor boys. After show ended at 11.30pm, only 8 floor boys came out meaning 4 offs during the show. I found 3 of the 8 very offable but i had already had my share of fun in the afternoon with Mr J at K Man Spa massage. I slipped a 100 baht tip to no.15 and left for the night.

Day 2 : Grindr Day On day 1 of my trip to Bangkok, I already had the feeling that the Bangkok bar scene wasn’t the same anymore. Not sure if the glass was half full, or half empty. Thai people call day 2 of my visit Visakha Bucha Day, a public holiday that commemorates the 3 mayor events in the life of Buddha. All bars are closed today and now Patpong looks really bad and deserted, especially after dark. Without the neon lights, these sois are really ugly. Glass 200% empty... For me, day 2 was a Grindr Day. When you connect to the app, it is easy to make contact to boys in the neighborhood. I recognize one of the boys I had been drinking with in 4T-bar in Jomtien during pre-covid visit, so I invite him over. He now is freelancer, travelling between Pattaya and Bangkok. He advertises as “happy boy” and sure he made me very happy. As it was time for lunch afterwards, I invite him to Indigo Restaurant, a real referenced Michelin restaurant on Covent Road. I don’t often offer food to boys, but happy I did it this time. It is amazing to see how many of the better looking twinks are now freelancing on apps instead of working in bars. In the evening, I invited a boy that used to work in Lucky Boys. I met him during my last visit in January 2020 : he was very sexy and so polite. He even asked me then if he could take a selfie, as he really liked the lightening in Raya. He still uses this picture as one of his profile pics. Nowadays, he doesn’t work in a bar anymore, but is only freelancing on the apps. He was a dud this time : I won’t do this, I won’t do that, … Instead of offering him dinner and do repeat offs later, I just paid him and send him away. I had dinner in the 10 star MacDonalds restaurant, a brand I never visit in my own country, so it gives me a real holiday feeling.

I'm joining long chorus above with the same advice, it's not a way things are done in Thailand although when I was whoring locally where I live it was standard practice here. I was never in 22 trips asked to advance payment by the boy. Only massage places sometimes are asking for payment for massage up front but that's it. I had a case when mid long time boy asked me for advance partial payment as he was hungry and wanted to go to buy something to eat. I gave him half of negotiated fee hoping he will not show up at all as he smelled like an ashtray up close but after about 1 hr he disappointed me by knocking into door. But he was a gentleman and himself suggested I reduce his final payment because he left me for so long. It's not to say I did not pay in advance there. When with the guy offed previously often I put money on the table saying it's for you in the morning but it never resulted in any reduction in services and time - who would risk losing such generous and charming client anyways, LOL

Santiagodc wrote an epic, three-part account of the 2019 prepandemic scene in Athens. His posts were my guidebook, but of course a lot has changed. Here is my update: Theaters Sadly, the wild, astonishing places that Santiagodc vividly described were shuttered. You’d think the guys who sold themselves there would have moved to nearby Omnia Square, but not the case. Omnia Square Nothing like the cruising nirvana that Santiagodc saw. Usually no more than a couple of guys, if any, were waiting by each metro escalator. And most of them were neither attractive nor making any eye contact. Usually, only one or two guys, if any, in the whole Omnia area were signaling availability. Overall, there was neither the quantity or quality that I’d expected. I erroneously thought the pandemic would bring out more immigrants needing cash. One reason may have been a police crackdown. Police were everywhere around Omnia, especially on the weekend. I nodded to one good-looking young man who followed me around the corner where I discovered he was selling grass only. He refused to consider sex even with a generous offer. Omnia side streets A few guys were hustling on the side streets that Santiagodc had identified. But again, few were good choices. Around here I found only three (during a week) worth taking to the short-term hotel one block over. €5 rooms Santiogodc’s tips on the €5 short-term hotel rooms and how it all works were spot on. Rooms were surprisingly clean too. Parks Same pattern. Not nearly as many guys hustling as I’d expected – only a few, day or night. Fees Santiogodc’s summary of expected payments was higher than I paid. I always said, as if not open for debate: €20. None ever hesitated and they all smiled. But these were for short action in €5 hotel rooms or bar washrooms or park thickets, not for longer sessions. (Santiagodc took some guys back to his hotel room.) Multinational As Santiogodc described in detail, you do see a variety of the Balkans through to Central Asia. I personally promoted international relations with Albania, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Iraq, Kurdistan, and often Persia. Bars Many of the bars were closed and a few were just beginning to open back up. One place that was open had a number of healthy-looking, nearly middle-class, easy-going, G-for-P, Persian guys was Sami's. Bonus Eye Candy Among the many Greek policemen in their 20s or 30s, quite a few were hot and, as their tight uniforms revealed, have toned bodies and nice bulges. In every group of four or five, invariably one was extra, jaw-droppingly sexy. Tourist tip Get the Acropolis at 8am when it opens and be rewarded with having the Parthenon all to yourself. Then go to the new Acropolis Museum nearby and have breakfast with a view on the upstairs terrace. Of course, “your mileage may vary.” But, if you want to visit Athens anytime soon, you can have fun, but I’d caution against expecting the full, grand scene with wild theaters that Santiagodc recounted from years past.

sometimes even in great detail but only between themselves. When comes o to other customers they are surprisingly discreet. I offed few guys recommended by other members or who saw me with other members and never ever they commented on other party other than neutral "your friend ABC is nice guy" , " I did not seem your friend for a while " etc I recall only one exception from few years ago ( member no longer ) " you like kiss and cuddle , your friend likes fuck right away" but even that will not even point who fucks whom. When talk about our tips to their friends , not always they are sincere. I had cases when they either understated or overstated for some reason tips received. But often when I ask a boy what he expects answer is "the same you gave XYZ" so you better have an explanation is planning on differentiating compensation in the same bar. Butterflying has own advantages

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You are being far too critical @PeterRS There are 3 major reasons why it will take some considerable time. The UK now has more job vacancies than unemployed people seeking work. Staffing at airports (with many functions being sub-contracted) is even more complicated than it is for airlines. In the UK, any new employee with access to the airport has to get a security clearance. This requires a check of the last 5 years employment history, with confirmation from each employer. As you may imagine, in the pandemic many employees left unpaid jobs and took alternative (and/or short-term) employment. Any failure to confirm a period of employment prevents security clearance being given. (Airlines did recently ask the UK Govt to relax this rule, but it refused.)

It's because there are only a few models in Moonlight and they are heavily publicised and promoted on social media. They have many fans. But because there are 25 guys in Jupiter, it's harder to stand out. I know customers do tip the Jupiter guys discretely. Maybe on the night you were there, you didn't see tipping. I also know of the Jupiter singers receiving thousand baht garlands and other gifts. Don't ask me how I know! Hehe

I can confirm that the boy in question does look like his pictures, very cute in person as well, and can also do massage quite professionally. I used his service and was happy. Usually, I follow some pimps to see pictures of the boys and then just do the opposite: scout the apps for familiar faces You also need to know where to put your location while searching. In Hanoi, for example, search the old quarter or Hoan Kiem lake. In Ho Chi Minh city, District 1 (the actual city center, especially the Bui Vien area which we call phố tây - street for foreigners) or District 10 (the de factor gay service center with a lot of gay massage parlors and saunas located there)

Haha. Ive heard few cases of jealous boys making a scene before. But you are right, 1 meet wont escalate to that so soon. Cases ive heard are those with multiple off.

Sure, but the ones that pay in the bars look the same. (except for the hot Hong Kong, Singapore guys that frequent).

I prefer the Pattaya / Jomtien closeness to the seaside - fresh air, and breeze. The bigness and noisiness of Bangkok stresses me - therefore making the offing guy experience less fun. So, for longer periods of time I prefer to stay in Jomtien / Pattaya. For more intense action packed fun for a shorter period of time - then I prefer Bangkok. For meeting the guys - I am happy with the offerings in both places - especially now with the ease of the apps - but I do like the going out adventure of go-go and or host bar scene.

The Ibis hotel chain will soon open a new location on Silom, opposite the Bangkok Christian Hospital. Ibis has other locations in the city. Rooms tend to be on the small side but so do their rates. Ibis Styles Silom plans a soft opening beginning June 24. It’s set about 100 feet back from the street. https://www.facebook.com/ibisStylesBangkokSilom/

@jason1975So true about the lady friend! Alas, it's for this reason that I'm starting to think most of my offs will be from Tawan this trip (2 days until I fly out from Changi!) Without a lady friend with me, I was flanked on either side by two handsome guys on my last trip to Tawan and I'll never forget how friendly they were. I've never had that experience anywhere else in BKK.

I think you will have lots of attention if you have lady companion. Haha Yes, after midnight, they don't parade anymore so they don't have to wear regulation jeans. Some of them really look fashionable and good in their own clothes.

I left at 1.30am. Soi 4 was dark. Circus was shuttered and lights were off. Balcony's lights were dimmed and there were some customers drinking but no music. I walked towards Silom Road and saw that all bars were closed. The only bar still operating was Jupiter. They must have special clearance to operate beyond midnight. I turned into Soi Patpong. The girlie gogo bars King's Castle and Radio City were still operating. I could glimpse girls still pole dancing on stage through the partially opened doors. So probably the larger bars could somehow pay to close later. I passed by the pool parlour. It was full! And guess what. Former guy now current waiter P was playing pool with another guy and a pool girl. I knocked on the window. P saw me and came out to say hi. Apparently, the staff of Circus went there to play pool after closing the restaurant. I told P i was glad to see him. He asked me to go to Circus tomorrow. I shall see how. I went back to hotel room. No Jupiter guy. Then it hit me. Why didn't I ask P back? (Facepalm!)

That means he is claiming you as his bf i think? Lol can be a good or bad, depends on what you are looking for.

I think that is surprisingly positive and it heartens me. Sadly I doubt a popular poll asking the same questions here in the UK would get anywhere near that positive response.

Day 7 was a Saturday and I spent the day at Chatuchak. Came back to hotel for afternoon nap. Hungry after i woke up so went for early dinner. On way back, passed by Hotmale bar so had a beer. 140 baht only. It was 7 plus and soi was dark. Dreamboys did not switch on outside lights. Several gay tourists walked into soi and looked at stairs leading to Freshboys. Too early, come back later, the Hotmale waiters told them. Chatted the Hotmale waiter who served me. From Laos. He worked at bar the past 2 years through Covid. He was busy getting bar ready for the night so I couldn't chat more with him. Freshboys Laos guy whom I offed 2 nights ago walked past with friend. I offered to buy them beer but they said they were late. They had to grab dinner and report to bar. His friend was also from Laos. Tall and handsome. @Min had eyes on him when we were at Freshboys together. I thought of a threesome with both Laos guys but seeing how straight they were, i doubt they would agree to the idea.

You have a kind heart!

some? I'd think all of them

motto of all autocrats , sounds like taken straight from pages of Stalin's " Short history of All Russia Bolshevik Party ". Slaves couldn't travel but their masters could. is one thing to comply with the rules but another to multiply them in order to restrict free movement.

oops, left that last one out....

The conversations we've had about this in the Brasil boards over the years.....But in Brasil, there seems to be a larger local market, much larger than tourists, that are the customers. So by foreigners coming in and paying huge amounts of money, it raises the expectations not only from the one that got paid the money, he tells his friends and so on.....then it upsets the "norm" for what everyone expects, even the guys of lesser qualities. Kind of like I see here negative comments about the Chinese buying up the place and taking all the action....stuff like that. Is one of the reasons I stay within the respected range of prices for off's, short time, and a rare overnight, I'm kind of frugal and live in Mexico....I go to Thailand for the culture and cuisine, btw

I still have no luck on apps. Maybe I am unrealistic with my choices or they prefer farang customers. Glad that you got reacquainted with boy from Lucky Boys, @stijntje

Day 2 In the morning K was not hungry so went home and I went to world famous for a breakfast alone. After that I took my prescription and went to order new glasses. My current ones are also Bangkok natives and when I made them 6 years ago there was substantial difference between home and Thailand prices, less than half if I recall. Not so much now, another sign that LOS is moving up economically. Then booked dental appointment at Dr. Smile on Silom by Patpong and marched back to Tarntawan to pack and move to Raya. Their policy is to allow check in only after 3 pm although I doubt they are that full so I left luggage at reception and went to 7/11 on Suriwong around the corner from Tawan where I was supposed to meet K at noon for our Mahanakhon trip. Minute or two before noon I got ‘where you are ‘ message from him and indeed at noon on the dot he showed up. At K insistence we took taxi, laughable idea for such short distance but if he wanted , so be it. Actually I’m glad we did because shockingly it turned out driver took order but he doesn’t know where MahaNakhon is and we are taking highest building in Thailand with very distinctive shape. Past Chong Nonsi BTS he kept driving and driving until I intervened and he turned back. It must be something with that structure because here where I live I know personally guy who went there by BTS , disembarked as instructed by me at Chong Nonsi and still couldn’t find it even if Mahanahkon is practically atop of that station. Perhaps too close ? Anyways up we went and on approach to the famous glass I could see that my muscular guy is sweating extensively. Are you scared? ‘yes” . But to his credit he went there, allowed me to take few shots on his camera but no, he did not repeat my trick of laying face down on the glass. At least I could impress him. Fortunately he took all that stress well and was clearly happy with experience, when we visited impressive toilet with the view one floor down did not have problem of looking into chasm through the window. On the way to Raya we stepped at World famous for a lunch . In Raya room was already ready so we could start our scheduled massage session right away and no , it was not him who massaged me but other way around and I still paid him for a privilege, not that massage lasted whole 3 hrs. Great 3 hours. After he left heavy rain poured all of the sudden. I even expected he may be back but no he braved it to Tawan where his bike was parked he told me later. Jet lag and rain knocked me down and I collapsed on the bed till well past 8p.m. Woke up, showered and went to Hot Male downstairs for a chat with paulsf and bar boys there . At 10 planned trip to Moonlight where I hoped muscular A will be available but no, Tuesday curse. There were more staff than customers , Bee my first off in December recognized me and was circling hoping for an off but I pushed 100 baht into his briefs and left it there. Only 3 models on duty , Smart, Babe and Tum but they were entertained by some customers so no chance even for an eye contact. To bar’s credit there was still; show and models parade for us, only handful of spectators. So no off tonight sighted I , picked up phone and lined V , yesterday’s short timer if he is risking long time tonight. “Yes” answer and smiling sticker came back in less than 5 seconds. Not much later, despite rain he showed up on he steps of Raya. First we went to “Beer Garden ‘ former ‘ Eden Garden’ or whatever name it had seafood restaurant right across former soi Twilight. There are two waitresses I know for years, both not only recognized me offering hug but one of them shocked me by saying ‘you always order chicken with cashew nuts”, even if last time we saw each other was in Oct 2019 and we are in May 2022 ! I was dining there in December but none of those two were there, they returned only in February. So I was duly shocked and pleasantly surprised. In several days they surprise me even more but that’s for another day. V is modest guy so no expensive seafood stuff, just some regular dish and both filled up we went to the room by back elevator as Raya is closing front door at midnight till 6. He was impressed with size of Executive room I had and I was impressed how clingy he still is. Solid and sweaty gymnastics both past midnight and in the morning. V never disappoints thought I falling asleep in his embraces ending day 2 of the trip.

neither did I but now with more burden of years on my shoulder I see no option than speed up a bit as time is running out, after all they don't call me KFC man for nothing

unless you are disabled you can really use that 10-15 minutes walk after sitting 10-20 hours on the planes, not only to stretch your legs but also to properly ventilate your digestive system

nothing wrong with that but with exception of Nice Boys as mentioned by vessey above any touchy -feely activities in bar should be limited in scope and time as to avoid embarrassment. For mode detailed exploration I think you still should off guy either to your or short time room and have your fun there. Anyways when we have boy sitting with us in bar for extended period of time they should be compensated for that not just by buying them a drink but also tip of 100-300 baht depending on time spent and what you do . Reason for that is that by inviting them we are removing them from a pool boys available, depriving them a chance to be offed by somebody else. I usually tell them I buy you a drink but will not be offing you today. Last time I did it was Saturday in New Twilight. My intended off was show guy so I need to wait until show is over so to kill the time and keep me warm I invited one of guys to sit with me for cost of drink and 300 tip. It was him actually who got more touchy-feely with me that other way around and no, he did not tip me, lol.

Maybe meet in middle? Give half payment first?

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