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So, a bit of an update. Jupiter Boy left, Pattaya Boy came, I missed Jupiter Boy and he missed me. He returned less than 10 days later and has been with me ever since. He is a lovely lad who I enjoy spending time with. His English has shown remarkable improvement. He has also made himself at home faster than any of my ex's. He came into the room yesterday with a sticker for his motorcycle to park in the condo area. He has been parking there for months but wanted it official. The front desk did not even ask me to sign for it (odd). But, it was OK with me. Now, they call him for anything I need to do or packages I need to pick up. I wonder if they think he is my boss just because I do whatever he says?

For long term hook ups including travel, I have always paid the regular daily long time tip. I make it clear to the boy the amount he'll receive per day when asking him if he wants to travel with me. I don't negotiate the tip or the off fee. Nearly always, the boy is eager to go. Of course I pay all expenses, too. Often the expenses include airfare and rental cars. I also tell the boy he can have free time, but usually they stay close to me every day. It depends what you have planned. If you've rented a car, the boy certainly won't want to miss out on driving around in air conditioned comfort, and exploring new areas. I used to have a few regular boys I would often see when my home was only a two hour flight from Bangkok. After a few nights in Bangkok to survey the scene, I would usually take one boy for the BFE for the entire trip. I have traveled to many areas of the country with different boys. The only times I have received a discount on off fees was years ago from Saphan Kwai bars, and a couple times in Chiang Mai. The discount was always offered by the bar if offing the same boy for a week or more. Nowadays I don't think a discount is common for multiple-day offs. The bars are struggling to survive, so I think off fee discounts are more rare today. As far as how I pay the tip, yes I pay every day unless the boy has asked to receive the money at the end of the trip. One boy wanted to get his money every two days. On my most recent trip one year ago, I paid the boy every day, and he took most of the money to an ATM several times during the trip to deposit it to his bank account. Every baht has been money well spent, and it has made for some beautiful memories of my travels. I like to try to see at least one part of the country during my vacations. It's not always a new place, but I like to travel a bit. One month in Pattaya and Bangkok is a bit too much for me without a side trip thrown in. Milk78, you may be interested to read my trip report from February 2020 on this forum. I traveled with a boy from Pattaya. It's at gayguides.com/forums/topic/12788-koh-chang

No doubt that building is sponsored by Mike. It's a symbiotic relationship, as the Mike Hotel and shopping arcade near Boystown sit on leased land, and owned by Wat Chai. The wat owns a chunk of land in south Pattaya, and leases it out to a number of businesses, generating substantial income for them. Since the wat was begun in the 1930's, long before Pattaya turned into a concrete jungle, my guess would be that the wat owns the land all the way from the wat compound to the beach.

I was a butterfly until I met P.....eighteen years ago (oh my God!)....and very rarely indeed re-offed any of my numerous companions. However, in the early days of our relationship with him, the Pattaya scene was often discussed. And more than a few things I learnt surprised me. One of them was that being offed again by a falang was much prized because it raised hopes that an LTR is a possibility. Once a guy had spent a few days with the same falang, those hopes were encouraged. Ultimate success was a relationship that extended beyond the falang's holiday and became a regular source of income. And I was staggered when, a few years after we met, P went through the names of his friends at Dreamboys and related how many of them had achieved this ambition. In fact, the two of us actually met three of them with their falangs in Pattaya by chance. All were in their thirties. I wasn't in the least bit interested in an LTR until I met P, preferring the thrill of the chase, the trawling of bars and the final decision as to who would be coming back to the hotel with me. However, from the bar-boy's perspective, while a well-paid encounter with a clean and gentle falang was more than welcome, the ambitious guy was likely to be thinking of the next step. And hoping.

I don't think there are hard rules for that. All is up to negotiations or one side accepting proposal of other. I took twice Pattaya different boys to Bangkok and once Bangkok guy to Pattaya. Each case was different. Long term member may recall it from my reports 1. Pattaya boy I offed few times including 4 nights in row asked me to take him to BKK. I was hesitant but he was insisting and I liked him a lot so succumbed to his wish after day or two. We negotiated rules over breakfast and it was quite a conference. He asked for daily rate of 1000 and equivalent to what I paid him for long time if we spend night together. Smartly asked me to pay him at end of adventure because he wanted to save it entirely . I liked idea and this what happened. He offered to sleep on the floor if I bring another boy but I remedied it by renting him cheap room in nearby hotel. I promised that at least 3 nights out of 5 we spend together. We actually spent 4 including one with another boy I took from Super A ( it was not a good idea to dump boy I liked on him without consulting him first, lesson learned forever). So I paid 4 long time rates plus 5000 for 5 days we were together plus of course all expenses like food and admission. He even asked for money for lady massage and I gave money to him but doubted he actually took that massage while I was entertained by guy at HERO. As for off fee his bar was charging 500 but apparently he negotiated it to 400 and insisted that he will pay it himself. I had feeling he pocketed that money as he was freelancer showing at work at will but that was non issue for me as I'd pay off fee money anyways. 2. BKK boy I offed twice LT on that trip already upon learning I'm going to Pattaya for 2 days was insisting I take him with me at cost of paying his off fee and expenses but no tip. He was pretty adamant about that part so I paid 1000 off fee for 2 days at the bar at normal rate of 500 /day. Upon return I gave him 7000 for his troubles but true to his word he did not want to take it and it took some convincing that it's compensation for lost earning potential. As it appeared later , his generosity had second underlining and it did not take long before I was asked for a substantial 'loan' which I gracefully declined as well as his second try few month later. 3. As last accord of LT in the morning I asked Pattaya boy if he wants to go with me to BKK for 2 days , all expenses paid plus LT tip for each day , gladly accepted. Gave him off fee money to be paid later as his bar was closed in the morning. I told him that during day he is free of my shackles but nights are mine. He did not ask for anything other than not eating in the same place twice as he wanted to try different foods. I paid his tip on the morning of the last day. As you see each time it were different arrangements and initiative came from either side. In order to stay in the thread's subject I need to say none of the guys mentioned was slacking on his duties at any moment. I took care to give them time off during day when I sensed they may need it and was not shy to claim time off for myself if I wanted / needed it. First boy had the best body by far, second one had the best understanding what I like or not, third one had the most entertaining personality. Money well spent

This post is a bit of a self-indulgence, reflecting the fact that I am missing travel to Thailand. It has no current information, which will be obvious from ".. I am missing travel to Thailand" You have been warned. Somehow, when I book a trip it gets put on the calendar but cancelation of the trip does not remove it. Recently my calendar has been greeting me each morning with announcements to check-in to flights I will not be taking and hotels that no longer expect my arrival. It’s rubbing salt into the wound of not seeing Bangkok Guy for a very long time. Although Covid has closed his market he remains cheerful as he shows me his current stock, dark blue sports shorts with a gold Thai-style design. As always, very smart. He has good taste. I recently went through about eight years-worth of photos in my camera and iphone to find shots to put into frames to remind me of good times. An exercise in creating good cheer among the frustration. I wanted one of Bangkok Guy and I found I had fewer shots of him than I expected. Then the penny dropped. At the end of each trip Bangkok Guy goes through all the photos I have taken and edits out the ones of him that he does not like. Occasionally if I plead to keep one he relents, but often not. Image management is a serious business. After watching him I think what he is doing, apart from removing the obvious duds with shut eyes, is deleting those which do not comport to his self-image. Messy hair and untidy clothing are a no. The biggest no is if he thinks his skin looks dark. As long as his hair is in place, cloths tidy and skin fair, he passes over shots in which he looks kind of dorky. If it were me managing my image, those are the ones I would remove, although in his case I think the dorky ones are sweet. After you know someone for a while you come to recognize certain characteristic expressions. The photos caught two of Bangkok Guys characteristic expressions very well, omitted one and caught one I should have known existed but somehow it hadn’t registered. Some people suffer from resting bitch face. Not Bangkok Guy. The natural resting position of his face is a thoughtful, calm, into-the-distance expression, as though he is in quiet reflection. A photo from our Luang Prebang trip captured this perfectly. Attired in well-fitted cream and white linen and at ease in a wicker chair against a backdrop of jungle with a glimpse of the Mekong, his chin resting lightly on the tips of his long dancers' fingers, Bangkok Guy is a study in calm reflection. It’s almost a fashion catalogue shot. Bangkok Guy does not have a poker face. Some part of whatever is passing thorough his mind, probably the major part, shows on his face. Given our mutual language issue, this is very useful and face-reading is a big part of communication. To his frustration this makes it difficult for him to spring surprises on me as his sense of humor veers strongly towards a sense of mischief and his mischievous intent always shines out brightly. One photo perfectly captures this look of impending devilment. It is the one looking at me now from a silver frame on my desk. I showed it to Bangkok Guy during a Line call and the strength of his smile almost crashed the network. Very Happy that he is with me. The missing expression is Irritated. Bangkok Guy never looks cross or angry in the way I look cross and angry. When I am irritated it is obvious. When I am truly angry my expression could strip paint off a wall. With Bangkok Guy you need to know him to recognize the expression which conveys irritation. He looks constipated. My guess is that it comes out this way as he is experiencing an emotion which he feels the need to suppress. As soon as I see the constipated look I seek out its cause. It is important to prevent constipation lingering and turning into impacted bowel syndrome. It might be monkey pee and poop on the steps at Mt Popa or a family member on his iphone but if he is not on the phone and there are no monkeys nearby, it will be me. More specifically, it will be my farang-ness crossing some unseen-to-me line in his Thai-ness. The important thing is to recognize the expression as, once I have done this, it is easy to surface and solve. A questioning elevation of an eyebrow or a simple “What think?” is all it takes to indicate I have seen there is an issue and to open the door for him to tell me what is on his mind. He is not going to come straight out with some piece of criticism, I need to open the door, then he is responding to my question, not criticizing. At least I think that is the logic? My most frequent transgression is being tied to the hands of my watch. Bangkok Guy sees no point in rushing to be on time. Being more-or-less on time, yes ok. But rushing if you are running late, no. If you rush you are guaranteed to arrive sweating and bedraggled and that is a major no-no. Better to arrive late looking good. He is slowly breaking me in as I think he has a point, at least in Thailand. We had tried to fit too much into the day and I was running about 10-15 minutes late to a fitting, so once out of the BTS station I set off at a brisk trot to cover the long block or so to the tailor. Bangkok Guy gave me a constipated look and continued to stroll as I moved away with ‘sorry, late’. When he caught me up in the air-conditioned shop constipation turned to mischief and he asked ever-so-innocently ‘you not see tailor?’ Well, no, I was sweating and had to go and towel off and dry down before the fitting. Better to arrive late looking good. When traveling we are more in sync about being on time. Bangkok Guy approves of my habit of arriving ninety minutes to two hours in advance of a flight as he sees the point in ensuring there is no need to rush. He knows that planes unlike tailors will not wait. The expression that had not registered with me before was Seductive. Deeply, seriously, a finger dipped in an ice-cold martini and traced slowly over warm skin seductive. On the Mekong cruise Bangkok Guy in loose black cotton pants and a black short sleeved linen shirt is sitting, leaning back against the railing, both arms spread languidly along the top of the rail, his head very slightly down, looking straight at me from under his brow. Lauren Bacall has competition and from a very unexpected quarter. However, when I think about it, it is only unexpected because Bacall’s writers wrote in long pauses freighted with meaning to enable the stare to linger and burn into the soul while Bangkok Guy and I crack each other up too much for the whole slow-burn seductive thing to last more than a few seconds. Maybe we need a second set of writers?

Thai media Siam Rath went down to Pattaya to investigate after the words "La Laew Pattaya" - Goodbye Pattaya - were trending on Facebook site Pattaya Talk. It appeared that everyone was loading their possessions onto pick-ups and heading back to the villages. There were supportive comments but there was no hiding the abject depression. Pattaya, once packed full of tourists and life especially in the high season is now deserted. To confirm this Siam Rath went to the resort and saw that many apartment complexes were for sale or lease - some didnt have a single person staying in them any more. Phasakorn Suntharot - the owner of Suntharot Apartment - said that his tenants started to leave during the first wave of the pandemic. Then just when it looked like there was to be a recovery along came the second wave. His tenants were all people who worked in the entertainment industry and they have just gone home to save money. He has just one room rented out now. Pattaya has nothing left, he lamented. Goodbye Pattaya! Almost everyone in the entertainment industry has left - apartment complexes empty - Pattaya News - Thailand Visa Forum by Thai Visa

It's quite basic but perfectly adequate. Tiny lift which makes for interesting encounters!

You did well it easy to lost control if you are not setting boundaries with Thai boys.

A FEW ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED: Do you go into the desert Berber areas? Yes, just as I also described in the Morocco section. With Tunisia there was less of the exotic Berber camel and tent experience. I visited three places in Tunisia for this where I had luck with the young men. My first excursion was to Matmata, Tamezret, and Toujane. This is once again a case of finding the vendors and people who were alone and having a private location to go to. Several of the young men at Matmata (I visited because of Star Wars) offered their crotches to me. I had two in the nasty bathrooms that they took me to do the deed. One other one was selling the pottery outside his home door. He rubbed his crotch and then motioned me to come into his home. As I started, he suddenly yelled for his wife and kids to exit the house… scared the shit out of me! He closed the door and presented his already hard dick faster than I could get on my knees. The second set of Berber places was Tataouine and Chenini. I had very weird experiences at both. Seeing me walking alone, the young men and boys would approach and ask for money. I would say no, and then would make my way down the roads past the vendors. Within a few minutes I would see some of the same boys standing at the corners of buildings looking at me and rubbing their crotch. They were not just itching, but clearly offering their services. It was as if the young men of these places were vying to see who could get my money. In Chenini a young woman even offered her son or husband (not sure which he was) to me by pointing to his crotch and making the gesture of a long dick. It was crazy! I was so flipped out that I did nothing at these two places. The final place was in Kesra. I decided to take a two day tour of Roman and Byzantine sites, and that included this place. The view from the top is nice, but the buildings as such were quite shoddy. Even the supposed colourful steps were badly painted. But, there was a young man selling fruit so I stopped to buy one. He then proceeded to show me byzantine coins he had found. I decide to buy one and we negotiated. I gave him the money and then he looked at me to ask if I wanted “shisha”. Now, I had presumed he meant the tobacco that was placed in a houka. I looked confused and made the motion for a houka mouthpiece being put in my mouth. He then laughed and shook his head NO. He then pointed to me with his right hand and did the houka mouthpiece gesture, whilst rubbing his crotch. Ahhh, I said, and then smiled and licked my lips. I then was escorted around the corner between two buildings where I had a Berber houka without the tobacco. So, shisha has become my go-to-word to use in northern Africa with a gesture to show that I like to give a blow job. Have you been to Brazil? It seems like Sousse is similar in access to guys. Completely different! I have been going to Brazil once a year for 25 years. You simply cannot beat the sauna scene there for the sheer number of affordable, gorgeous guys, passive and active, in a safe and clean location where you can experiment and do so much. Sousse is a different type of experience where you can easily enjoy young horny straight arab men for an affordable price. They are everywhere on the streets and beach boardwalk. The challenge is that it takes longer to get to the action and you are more limited in what sex you can have. Any thoughts on pickup on sellers in the souk?... and… Have you tried the Medina in Tunis and Sousse? My answer for this is similar to my answer in my post for Egypt and Morocco. Let me first say that I had absolutely no luck at the souk in Tunis. The challenge with the Medina in Sousse is that most of the shops spread out onto the walkway and offer absolutely no privacy. My only luck there was as you walk from the Medina towards the port/Pirate ship everyone uses as a landmark. There were a number of fabric shops and a section where the rural vendors come to sell their produce. I had luck with two of the fabric vendors in the late evening (during the day they were swarmed by old ladies). They closed their doors and let me enjoy them. The produce vendors were interesting. I happened down an alley way where a young man was cleaning and separating some apples. Behind him was an open door and what looked to be a storage room. So, I started to look, gave him the eye, and he motioned me into the room where he closed the door. Two minutes later we were finished and I bought the most expensive single apple in my life from that encounter. I should mention that my first day of walking through the Medina just brought the usually pleas to enter their shop. When I came back the second day, they seemed to remember me ignoring them from the prior day so they usually said nothing. On the third day of walking through, the young men, by now seeing my glances, started to rub their crotches. It was playful, but nothing would usually come of it. So, the problem is that the young men are so proliferous on the streets that the souk challenge, at least in these two cities, was not very productive.

Renting. I have never seen buying in Thailand worth it.

A FEW ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED: Any thoughts on pickup on sellers in the souk? Not unlike the notes I mentioned for Egypt, the souk and markets of Marrakesh are similar. I usually go to these places late-night right after the fun in the Jemaa, and usually try the places off the main paths where less tourists frequent a seller. Its only when the vendor has no other friends around that they are open to discussing sex. When they have had no sales for the day then they seem very interested in business. I also look for places where they can easily close their door for business. This happened to me the last trip with a backpack vendor and a perfume vendor. My last trip I also talked with two fabric vendors. They had no place, but we arranged to meet the next day and go to the theatre for business. They were so good I did repeat business every day thereafter for my afternoon snack. Do you go into the desert Berber areas? Yes. I have had good and bad experiences. First, I did the whole tourist desert day/overnight experience but being with a large group was a killer for sex. There were simply too many people around to safely do the deed. From Fez I decided to try a single tour guide/Berber experience. In this case, I met the service that drove me to the camels. From there I was led into the desert to the Berber village about a one-hour camel ride. The camel rider was much older and wanted sex for money, but I said I was not interested. Once we got to the big Berber tent, I was the only single guy there with the others being in a group. I got a private tent to myself as I had requested from the guide service. I started eyeing up the young men and one came to bring me some water in the evening and asked if I needed a pillow. I did as I usually do and it ended in a blow job. About ten minutes later he brought me his friend and then he got a blow job as well. When it was finished, I had 5 Berber young men, 100 dirham each, and it was worth it for the experience. The next day we all went on the half-day ride to the oasis. One of the young men from before was my camel driver. He was hard the whole time and I got to feel him up quite a bit since I was sitting right behind him. Obviously, he got a great tip afterwards. That night I had the same 5 guys again. The next morning before I left I awoke to two of them leading me over a dune to do it again. One watched at the top while I did the other with the sun rising; and then they switched. I gave them both 200 that time and they were thrilled. So, good and bad experiences. It all begins with a smile, the look of the eye, and the same northern African question… “Are you married”? Do you need to know Arabic or French? I know neither language. What I do, though, is memorize again the French/Arabic words for 100 and 200 dirhams, and the French/Arabic words for yes and no. The rest can be done simply with gestures asking them for a yes or no if they will do it. They usually ask if I am married by gesturing to the ring finger where you would normally have a ring. When I say no, then it is accompanied by a smile and the look from me. I want a boy for a night. How can I do that safely? Depends. I asked the gay couples I met at Café Atlas about this. They said there are two ways: The first is to give the money to your young man and have him rent a room in your hotel for the night. Then, just have him come to your room at an appointed time. This works in the cheaper tourist hotels that operate via cash as well as credit cards. I cannot imagine a single young man I had in Morocco would have a credit card. The second way is to rent a private Airbnb or similar. The couples suggested you meet a guy the first time and have sex somewhere outside in a park, alley, etc. If he gives you no problems afterwards asking for more money or demanding something additional of you, then invite him the next time to your Airbnb since he should be safe. Similarly, they said the owners of these Airbnb apartments are very cautious in checking the client bio’s. If they think you are gay and might bring back guys, they will often cancel you right before your arrival or else constantly watch your coming and going. So, you should change the bio to say you are married and have kids. In that way, even if you are booking just for yourself, they will not be as cautious and always watching. Do I need to bring condoms? Yes. They will not ask to use one unless they are fucking you, but you should bring your own if you want to use them. Where do you exchange money or get the 200 dirham notes? From any bank. Once I arrive in Morocco, I just get about 5000 dirhams ($550) of money from an ATM machine. I then take about 1000 and get the 20’s, and the other 4,000 for the 200 dirham notes. I write out on google translate what I want. I then hand the money to the teller and show them my request on my phone. I quickly start to accumulate coinage as I use the 200 notes for food and other things. Those coins I will use for the music groups in the Jemaa. Do you have any experience with Egypt? Yes. See my other report.

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Easy. He was not following our agreement. He did not believe all the things I told him and vice versa. When he got back out into the world, he realized he had it made. He has the opportunity of a lifetime if he is good. I can assure you that I am also very good to him. He needed a bit of a distance to see that. I had asked him to go. But, we contacted each other daily and then he finally said the magic words. Been with me ever since. (no, the magic words were not open sesame)

Try "Lucky Moving Boys" or "Fresh Moving"

accurate right now but it doesn't mean much when we think about the future, There's empty lot in my area but I know that when time comes - in November it will be busy and full as it's where they sell Christmas trees. When we return then will Pattaya resurrect to it's former glory. Amen

So I just presented this email to the airline reps when checking in, and when at the actual gate on the actual flight to Brazil (not on the domestic connection to the actual flight, if you had one, as I did on flight to Miami beforehand): They just checked the name, document number, and the date and time the email was received. That's it. I also saved my answers to the ANVISA questions to a PDF (in case I needed it), but this was not needed. In case others are wondering, here is the link to the ANVISA page if you need it yourselves: https://formulario.anvisa.gov.br/

I agree with daydreamer that whilst having a.longer term relationship it’s good to get away from Bkk or Pattaya for a few days to avoid things getting stale. The boys always like that and sometimes suggest it. With LTR boy I actually visited his family home in Samet Sakhon near Bkk. I was nervous about this but it turned out ok especially when I took 8 family members for a nice meal with lots of beer. They knew all about his work in Pats and it turned out I wasn’t the first farang he had taken there. I also went with that boy and a friend and his boy to Koh Samet for 3 nights at a beach resort. Lots of fun in and out of the water with our boys wearing very sexy speedos we bought for them in Pattaya Central sports store. Lots of stares from other guests of course. A great break indeed from trawling the bars in search of that 5* boy. I also agree with Londoner regarding the ambition of the boys to have a LTR. Great prestige is gained by showing your farang off to your friends and having him buy them drinks. The ultimate is when he is persuaded to develop a relationship with Western Union whilst back home (I have to plead guilty myself)

I don't think he cares about it at all it is more likely he is thinking if the second time may be better tip for him.

It has been my experience that the second time is better than the first because the young gent loses any shyness after the first encounter. Along with that, I wonder if he thinks I'm any better the second time . . .

Oh, that's an easy one. The sign consists of three M - MMM - which is short for "Men, Men, Men". Explanation: Since the "Boyz" of Boyz Boyz Boyz (once popular night club in Pattaya) got older and older, the club had to be renamed accordingly to "Men, Men, Men".

This is a very interesting survey and I am not surprised to see that meetings and offs after the first one usually prove to be better. That has by and large been my experience when I have had boys for multiple nights. The reason I think in my case is that I pay relatively well so from the second meet the boy will give good service knowing he will be well rewarded for pandering to my sexual tastes. in recent years I have visited Pattaya for multiple short periods whilst about 10 years ago I was able to stay for a couple of months. During those trips I settled after my first week, with one boy rather than “ do the butterfly”, with him being a live-in boyfriend. Although I did occasionally spice things up with threesomes. Looking back I believe those periods were the best periods of my adventures in Thailand.

Thank you for offering up what the term "punter" means. I've been accessing this site for a few years and had no idea. Nor have I ever used it in conversation. Which brings me to another topic....communication. I would appreciate it if guys would care about clear communication when posting on this site. The abundance of acronyms used (since when is PT short for Portuguese?) and the lack of proofing is frustrating. Some sentences make no sense at all. Thank you.

Well, I do not think you offended me and I do not think this paragraph should be deleted, but it is clearly racist commentary. I have seen loud Americans of all Colors when traveling internationally. I have seen loud, disrespectful people of all nationalities when traveling internationally. Just as an example specifically contradicting your observation, Brazilians of all Colors can be quite loud anywhere. Your comment targeting Black Americans is clearly racist to me.

Bangkok and Pattaya will hold as favorite gay destinations although Sunee will be thing of the past. Boyztown will survive but BoyzBoyzBoyz will change name and will be club for ladies with sign ' un-escorted gentlemen not admitted" , presumably not escorted by lady. It will be few more men massage places though. Alt Heideleberg restaurant on Beach Road will cease to exist so whenever vinapu comes to Pattaya he will be hungry. Go-gos will be allowed in Jomtien but restricted to certain area only. Fast train from BKK to Utapao will be about to start service . Bangkok finally gets integrated public transit ticket which will include even train service within city boundaries. Pavillion hotel will be demolished along with that arcade but most of bars will find place in sois Wall Street and Patpong Post Office and newly enlivened soi 6 where Tawan bar will change hands, name and location within soi but will be still known for muscled guys. There will be at least 2 bars with sign " men only admitted " and one where farangs won't be welcomed ( no sign but it will be well know that their boys are not going with Farangs) after some political upheaval baht will lose some of it's luster and at 42.7 for a USD even 3000 tip for short time and 5000 for long time will not seem so excessive. Boys in bars will be available for 1/2 hr private dance in cubicle on premises for 1500. Oasis restaurant after 9 years hiatus will return to it's former location on Suriwong, Silom Plaza will have few more male massage places to complement Arena and will be Gay Central after soi 4 will be redeveloped and it will be where MyHero will be relocated. One of former bar guys will become well known businessman, first ever not to be shy to admit how he started his star career and his picture hosting one of his former clinet in his company lavish headquarters will be hit on social media. He will praise that client for learning from him that his original job was work like any other , just less dusty. Chatuchak market will be moved to railway lands behind old Hualampong station and station itself. 20 baht bill will be replaced with coin and new 2000 baht colored green will be introduced. Madrid Tavern will announce that it's closing it's door at end of year. Alcohol sale restrictions at daytime will be lifted and after police closed one of girl bars for excessive noise all of the sudden music level in all bars will become bearable thanks to new device mandated to install in all venues shutting down all power if decibel lever crosses 92.5 or something. Hot tea will become fashionable and will be available in all bars. Thai BL movie will receive Oscar . Old Robinson building on corner of Silom across from Lumpini will finally be demolished to make place to a highrise 127.3 m higher than MahaNakhon with rollercoaster on the top. ChristianPFC new husband will buy this site from MIchael. One of our members from Philippines will be owner of one of boy bars in soi 6 so members will have permanent meeting place while there. Bandanna guy barker for Moonlight will announce his retirement. Great Britain will announce that is ditching pound and is unilaterally taking euro as it's currency. Queen Elizabeth II will contiunue to be world's oldest reigning monarch and first ever over 100

I think the status of the Thai and Chinese economies will be the overriding factor, particularly the value of Silom real estate. Twilight was the mainstay of gay Bangkok for a long spell until the land below and sky above beckoned developers. Now that Patpong has quickly absorbed that role, it's success over the next decade will be partly ruled by the same forces. The Silom venues (including Moonlight and Jupiter) need a stable influx of Chinese customers to make the numbers work. The proliferation of massage shops scattered around the area (especially along Surawong) likewise would have a tough time without them. Not a gay venue (although many of its customers are), Prime is one of the few that could survive. Because of its large local following, Soi 4 is somewhat immune. Nevertheless there could be a pruning of venues in a serious economic downturn like the financial crisis of 1997. At the moment, the economy of Thailand is fairly stable but it faces increased headwinds, the most immediate of which is the strong baht. Beyond that it's political future is one of those "black swan" events that economists worry about. The booming economy of China is expected to slow during the decade but continue to dominate the region and--to a lesser degree--the rest of the world. A prosperous China means a continued flow of customers--male and female--that fuel gay Bangkok. ASEAN neighbors can be expected to slowly increase while western clientele numbers will be lucky to remain stable. As for individual venues, there has always been an on-going evolution of clubs. That will continue as a few go by the wayside while others consolidate or go out of business. Nothing new there. That said, gays--regardless of where they're from---know that Bangkok is one of the best destinations where they can feel unencumbered by their preference.

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