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I don't think there are hard rules for that. All is up to negotiations or one side accepting proposal of other. I took twice Pattaya different boys to Bangkok and once Bangkok guy to Pattaya. Each case was different. Long term member may recall it from my reports 1. Pattaya boy I offed few times including 4 nights in row asked me to take him to BKK. I was hesitant but he was insisting and I liked him a lot so succumbed to his wish after day or two. We negotiated rules over breakfast and it was quite a conference. He asked for daily rate of 1000 and equivalent to what I paid him for long time if we spend night together. Smartly asked me to pay him at end of adventure because he wanted to save it entirely . I liked idea and this what happened. He offered to sleep on the floor if I bring another boy but I remedied it by renting him cheap room in nearby hotel. I promised that at least 3 nights out of 5 we spend together. We actually spent 4 including one with another boy I took from Super A ( it was not a good idea to dump boy I liked on him without consulting him first, lesson learned forever). So I paid 4 long time rates plus 5000 for 5 days we were together plus of course all expenses like food and admission. He even asked for money for lady massage and I gave money to him but doubted he actually took that massage while I was entertained by guy at HERO. As for off fee his bar was charging 500 but apparently he negotiated it to 400 and insisted that he will pay it himself. I had feeling he pocketed that money as he was freelancer showing at work at will but that was non issue for me as I'd pay off fee money anyways. 2. BKK boy I offed twice LT on that trip already upon learning I'm going to Pattaya for 2 days was insisting I take him with me at cost of paying his off fee and expenses but no tip. He was pretty adamant about that part so I paid 1000 off fee for 2 days at the bar at normal rate of 500 /day. Upon return I gave him 7000 for his troubles but true to his word he did not want to take it and it took some convincing that it's compensation for lost earning potential. As it appeared later , his generosity had second underlining and it did not take long before I was asked for a substantial 'loan' which I gracefully declined as well as his second try few month later. 3. As last accord of LT in the morning I asked Pattaya boy if he wants to go with me to BKK for 2 days , all expenses paid plus LT tip for each day , gladly accepted. Gave him off fee money to be paid later as his bar was closed in the morning. I told him that during day he is free of my shackles but nights are mine. He did not ask for anything other than not eating in the same place twice as he wanted to try different foods. I paid his tip on the morning of the last day. As you see each time it were different arrangements and initiative came from either side. In order to stay in the thread's subject I need to say none of the guys mentioned was slacking on his duties at any moment. I took care to give them time off during day when I sensed they may need it and was not shy to claim time off for myself if I wanted / needed it. First boy had the best body by far, second one had the best understanding what I like or not, third one had the most entertaining personality. Money well spent

I was a butterfly until I met P.....eighteen years ago (oh my God!)....and very rarely indeed re-offed any of my numerous companions. However, in the early days of our relationship with him, the Pattaya scene was often discussed. And more than a few things I learnt surprised me. One of them was that being offed again by a falang was much prized because it raised hopes that an LTR is a possibility. Once a guy had spent a few days with the same falang, those hopes were encouraged. Ultimate success was a relationship that extended beyond the falang's holiday and became a regular source of income. And I was staggered when, a few years after we met, P went through the names of his friends at Dreamboys and related how many of them had achieved this ambition. In fact, the two of us actually met three of them with their falangs in Pattaya by chance. All were in their thirties. I wasn't in the least bit interested in an LTR until I met P, preferring the thrill of the chase, the trawling of bars and the final decision as to who would be coming back to the hotel with me. However, from the bar-boy's perspective, while a well-paid encounter with a clean and gentle falang was more than welcome, the ambitious guy was likely to be thinking of the next step. And hoping.

For long term hook ups including travel, I have always paid the regular daily long time tip. I make it clear to the boy the amount he'll receive per day when asking him if he wants to travel with me. I don't negotiate the tip or the off fee. Nearly always, the boy is eager to go. Of course I pay all expenses, too. Often the expenses include airfare and rental cars. I also tell the boy he can have free time, but usually they stay close to me every day. It depends what you have planned. If you've rented a car, the boy certainly won't want to miss out on driving around in air conditioned comfort, and exploring new areas. I used to have a few regular boys I would often see when my home was only a two hour flight from Bangkok. After a few nights in Bangkok to survey the scene, I would usually take one boy for the BFE for the entire trip. I have traveled to many areas of the country with different boys. The only times I have received a discount on off fees was years ago from Saphan Kwai bars, and a couple times in Chiang Mai. The discount was always offered by the bar if offing the same boy for a week or more. Nowadays I don't think a discount is common for multiple-day offs. The bars are struggling to survive, so I think off fee discounts are more rare today. As far as how I pay the tip, yes I pay every day unless the boy has asked to receive the money at the end of the trip. One boy wanted to get his money every two days. On my most recent trip one year ago, I paid the boy every day, and he took most of the money to an ATM several times during the trip to deposit it to his bank account. Every baht has been money well spent, and it has made for some beautiful memories of my travels. I like to try to see at least one part of the country during my vacations. It's not always a new place, but I like to travel a bit. One month in Pattaya and Bangkok is a bit too much for me without a side trip thrown in. Milk78, you may be interested to read my trip report from February 2020 on this forum. I traveled with a boy from Pattaya. It's at gayguides.com/forums/topic/12788-koh-chang

I had a chance to travel for one month to Tunisia back in August and sample many of the wonderful young Arab men available. Here are some of my notes: Tunis: When I arrived, the messages on Grindr began to light up considerably. As I did in other countries, I would ask to video chat and most chose not to. It was clear in two instances that the men were contriving something as they insisted that I come to their place in the far rural section of Tunis. I agreed in one instance to meet, but decided to arrive two hours before. I sat at a café and watched the area. The young man in question arrived with four of his friends. The man sat at the bench in the center of the park where he wanted to meet, and his four friends scattered around the park. At that point I got up and took a taxi back to my hotel. I texted the guy and asked why he did not come alone as requested. When I showed him the long-range photo I took, he said he would report me to the police. Obviously, he would not and could not since he had no information. He proved the point that Grindr in Tunisia can be dangerous. I stayed the first week in a tourist hotel on Ave Habib Bourguiba (hereafter AHB) which is the main avenue in Tunis. Guests were not allowed back at the hotel so I had to try other venues. I had stayed in Tunis six times before, and usually frequented the three centrally located movie theatres where there were always some men available for action. Unfortunately, these movie theatres have now become strictly legitimate and do not allow any gay action in them at all. I also tried the Belvedere Park and Tunis Zoo which was where you could usually pick-up men and use the woods. Sadly, there were just families during the day and no men out in the evening. I had previously had good luck at both places. For this trip, I was able to find young guys only by walking the AHB. There are benches all along the central pedestrian section of the Avenue. Get yourself something to drink and just sit and watch the people. Inevitably, there will be some young guys that will walk up, sit down, and start a conversation clearly for money. In three instances I asked where we could go. In all three they took me to one of the theatres. So, while the theatre itself had no guys available, you could go in separately and then find each other in a quiet area. The biggest theatre in Tunisia (over 500 seats and three levels) is right on the AHB and is called Cinéma Le Colisée. I used to have great fun in previous years with guys in the lower section there, but now you need to find and bring your guy from outside. The second place to meet guys is at the corner where AHB crosses Rue de Marseille. Get yourself a coffee at the corner Patisserie Naouri and sit to watch the guys come by. If you smile and want to talk, you will need to get up and go chat as the servers are very careful to not allow bystanders to interfere with guests. The third place to find guys is at the east part of AHB where it meets Place du 14 Janvier 2011 (this is where the famous Clock of Habib is located). Get yourself a coffee from the corner Pomme De Pain and sit to watch all the boys gather in the park next to it. The park is located between the Pomme De Pain and the Café La Fontaine. You can have a conversation with the guys and most will know a place nearby in an alley or side street where you can do the deed. Almost all the guys at the first three places were active, while the guys at the corner park area were active and passive. I later returned on my exit from the country to stay one more week in an Airbnb that had a private entrance. In that case, I took guys back from the third location park with no problem. Sousse: I stayed in an Airbnb with private access. You can easily figure out the places to stay by reading the reviews of places on Airbnb. If a gay had a problem bringing back a guy, you will see that he compliments the owner for the security of the place and the night guard. He likewise compliments the owner for private access to signal to the rest of us the option to bring a guy back. I stayed in Sousse three weeks this time, but have also stayed six times before. The main road for finding guys is along the see wall pedestrian area starting at the northern end on Ave Hedi Chaker (hereafter AHC) where it meets the Hotel Riadh Palms, and then simply walk down the sea wall pedestrian area south past the Place Bou Jaaaar and down the Habeeb Burgioba Street (hereafter HBS) until you get to the Claridge Hotel. I walked that several times a day and you can always find young men. I found guys this time for service at two places. The first was by sitting with other gay men at the famous Café La Sirene at the Place Bou Jaafar. Sit there at the outside covered tables, have yourself an orange juice, and just watch the many many guys that parade by. If you are interested in a guy, you can ask him to join you and the staff will have no problem. The second place is the Café Jus Glaces at the corner of HBS and Rue Palestine. Sit, get a drink, watch the boys, and invite some to sit at your table. Do a google maps search and it will even show you ME sitting at the bar watching the boys go by. The go-to bar for guys keeps changing every year it seems. It used to be a bar on the northern end of Sousse near Mongi Slim, but this time it was closed. As for where to have sex, Airbnb was the way to go this time. I was able to invite many men back with no problems. Now, I did have two guys that showed me ID and they were clearly 19, but they looked much younger and I did not want to risk it. So, I asked THEM where we should go. In one instance the young man had me pay for an unofficial one-hour hotel. It required him to first talk with the clerk with me outside, then he waived me in, I passed the money to the clerk, and off we went to the room for an hour. The same happened with a second guy who took me to another place. I was very cautious because I would not provide my ID to get a room as is normally required by law. So I told the young men that I had no ID and they knew a place to go. It went so well that I always first asked a guy if he knew of a place to go. If they did not, then I would use my Airbnb. Interestingly, several other guys told me they come to Sousse from the rural areas to make some money for a few days. If they don’t get a room, then they have to stay on the streets or in a Hamman. The final place for me was the legit theatre on HBS known as Cinema Le Palace next to the Bar Tapas. This smaller theatre shows legitimate movies and is VERY frequented by couples to make out. However, there always seemed to be at least one guy for sex there in the afternoons that you could meet in the smallest bathroom stall I have ever encountered. Interestingly, the two young men who run the theatre for their family (an old man or old woman always takes the money) were both available for blow jobs when I was there. One is a bit strange with glasses, and the other seems to dye his hair a different color each time I visit. GRINDR: Be warned it can be dangerous. SEX: Most of the guys are active, like to get sucked, will fuck, and many will also kiss. Tunis and Sousse both had passive guys, but they were usually dressed with lipstick and overtly effeminate. As you will note from police reports, Sousse especially has very young guys for trade. In turn, Sousse is very active in arresting those who pay for underage sex. Two German men were arrested the week I was there because one of them took back an underage boy to his apartment and was reported. Stings are the norm and money/bribes will not help out. As one French gay couple told me, there are weekly stings that are set-up precisely to entrap foreigners who prey on the underage there. There are plenty of young boys/guys that are available of legal age. PAY: The street guys usually wanted 30-50 Tunisian dinars ($11-$18 USD) for a quick blow job. When I took a guy back to my place, they usually asked for 50-75 dinars ($18-$27). LANGUAGE: Arab and French, although the boys seem to know German and English as many gay tourists come from Germany and the UK.

Sorry to be a downer. On the basis of the recommendation I registered and ordered the Alaskan Fish Pie with mash which looked very good on the site and which we planned to have for an early dinner this evening. It was delivered right on time. So we popped it in the oven to let it cook for about 20 minutes. Frankly we were disappointed. The portions are large - perfectly good for two. There were loads of excellently cooked vegetables (carrots and broccoli). But the potato mash was not potato mash. It was lots of very large chunks of slightly undercooked potato. We could find very little salmon in the mix and what there was was virtually tasteless. On the basis of this one dish, I would not return. But I will give it one more try. Perhaps steak next time.

Agree that Singapore is one great success stories of our times - plus it is one of the most beautiful of cities. But Singapore was democracy in name only for many decades and certainly also today. Which democratic leader would have the nerve to say this - “We have to lock up people, without trial, whether they are communists, whether they are language chauvinists, whether they are religious extremists. If you don't do that, the country would be in ruins.” Lee Kwan New 1986 “I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn’t be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters – who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think.” Lee Kwan Yew 1987 "So when people say, 'Oh, ask the people!' It's childish rubbish. We are leaders. We know the consequences. You mean that ice-water man knows the consequences of his vote? They say people can think for themselves? Do you honestly believe that the chap who can't pass primary six knows the consequences of his choice when he answers a question viscerally on language, culture and religion?" Lee Kwan Yew 1998 How about the rule of law? His former Solicitor General wrote, "It is our responsibility to let there be no shadow of doubt whatsoever that we are committed to these two principles -- the total commitment of the judiciary in Singapore to dispensing justice according to law, and to upholding the independence of the judiciary -- and to dispel as forcefully as lies within our power any attempt from any quarter to cast doubt that these two principles are being adhered to here. "There was, alas, a vast chasm separating the precept from the practice." Francis T. Seow 1997 Singapore has always been a dictatorship disguised as a democracy. Benevolent perhaps, apart from those who have tried to change it and ended up bankrupt or in prison - or both.

Spoon will be better able to comment. But I do not believe democracy is merely the ability of the electorate to eject a government and install a new one. When Article 153 of its Constitution guarantees racial priority to ethnic Malays over the other ethnic peoples in the country, that in my view is not democracy. Its first Chief Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman had clearly stated to the British colonial government that the new Malaya should not discriminate on the grounds of race or creed and that all citizens should have equal rights. Yet discrimination has always existed and is enshrined in Article 153. It is also illegal for Parliament to discuss any changes to Article 153. So, for example, ethnic Chinese do not have the same rights as Malays even though it is the Chinese who drive most of the economy.

Oh, that's an easy one. The sign consists of three M - MMM - which is short for "Men, Men, Men". Explanation: Since the "Boyz" of Boyz Boyz Boyz (once popular night club in Pattaya) got older and older, the club had to be renamed accordingly to "Men, Men, Men".

This is a very interesting survey and I am not surprised to see that meetings and offs after the first one usually prove to be better. That has by and large been my experience when I have had boys for multiple nights. The reason I think in my case is that I pay relatively well so from the second meet the boy will give good service knowing he will be well rewarded for pandering to my sexual tastes. in recent years I have visited Pattaya for multiple short periods whilst about 10 years ago I was able to stay for a couple of months. During those trips I settled after my first week, with one boy rather than “ do the butterfly”, with him being a live-in boyfriend. Although I did occasionally spice things up with threesomes. Looking back I believe those periods were the best periods of my adventures in Thailand.

This post is a bit of a self-indulgence, reflecting the fact that I am missing travel to Thailand. It has no current information, which will be obvious from ".. I am missing travel to Thailand" You have been warned. Somehow, when I book a trip it gets put on the calendar but cancelation of the trip does not remove it. Recently my calendar has been greeting me each morning with announcements to check-in to flights I will not be taking and hotels that no longer expect my arrival. It’s rubbing salt into the wound of not seeing Bangkok Guy for a very long time. Although Covid has closed his market he remains cheerful as he shows me his current stock, dark blue sports shorts with a gold Thai-style design. As always, very smart. He has good taste. I recently went through about eight years-worth of photos in my camera and iphone to find shots to put into frames to remind me of good times. An exercise in creating good cheer among the frustration. I wanted one of Bangkok Guy and I found I had fewer shots of him than I expected. Then the penny dropped. At the end of each trip Bangkok Guy goes through all the photos I have taken and edits out the ones of him that he does not like. Occasionally if I plead to keep one he relents, but often not. Image management is a serious business. After watching him I think what he is doing, apart from removing the obvious duds with shut eyes, is deleting those which do not comport to his self-image. Messy hair and untidy clothing are a no. The biggest no is if he thinks his skin looks dark. As long as his hair is in place, cloths tidy and skin fair, he passes over shots in which he looks kind of dorky. If it were me managing my image, those are the ones I would remove, although in his case I think the dorky ones are sweet. After you know someone for a while you come to recognize certain characteristic expressions. The photos caught two of Bangkok Guys characteristic expressions very well, omitted one and caught one I should have known existed but somehow it hadn’t registered. Some people suffer from resting bitch face. Not Bangkok Guy. The natural resting position of his face is a thoughtful, calm, into-the-distance expression, as though he is in quiet reflection. A photo from our Luang Prebang trip captured this perfectly. Attired in well-fitted cream and white linen and at ease in a wicker chair against a backdrop of jungle with a glimpse of the Mekong, his chin resting lightly on the tips of his long dancers' fingers, Bangkok Guy is a study in calm reflection. It’s almost a fashion catalogue shot. Bangkok Guy does not have a poker face. Some part of whatever is passing thorough his mind, probably the major part, shows on his face. Given our mutual language issue, this is very useful and face-reading is a big part of communication. To his frustration this makes it difficult for him to spring surprises on me as his sense of humor veers strongly towards a sense of mischief and his mischievous intent always shines out brightly. One photo perfectly captures this look of impending devilment. It is the one looking at me now from a silver frame on my desk. I showed it to Bangkok Guy during a Line call and the strength of his smile almost crashed the network. Very Happy that he is with me. The missing expression is Irritated. Bangkok Guy never looks cross or angry in the way I look cross and angry. When I am irritated it is obvious. When I am truly angry my expression could strip paint off a wall. With Bangkok Guy you need to know him to recognize the expression which conveys irritation. He looks constipated. My guess is that it comes out this way as he is experiencing an emotion which he feels the need to suppress. As soon as I see the constipated look I seek out its cause. It is important to prevent constipation lingering and turning into impacted bowel syndrome. It might be monkey pee and poop on the steps at Mt Popa or a family member on his iphone but if he is not on the phone and there are no monkeys nearby, it will be me. More specifically, it will be my farang-ness crossing some unseen-to-me line in his Thai-ness. The important thing is to recognize the expression as, once I have done this, it is easy to surface and solve. A questioning elevation of an eyebrow or a simple “What think?” is all it takes to indicate I have seen there is an issue and to open the door for him to tell me what is on his mind. He is not going to come straight out with some piece of criticism, I need to open the door, then he is responding to my question, not criticizing. At least I think that is the logic? My most frequent transgression is being tied to the hands of my watch. Bangkok Guy sees no point in rushing to be on time. Being more-or-less on time, yes ok. But rushing if you are running late, no. If you rush you are guaranteed to arrive sweating and bedraggled and that is a major no-no. Better to arrive late looking good. He is slowly breaking me in as I think he has a point, at least in Thailand. We had tried to fit too much into the day and I was running about 10-15 minutes late to a fitting, so once out of the BTS station I set off at a brisk trot to cover the long block or so to the tailor. Bangkok Guy gave me a constipated look and continued to stroll as I moved away with ‘sorry, late’. When he caught me up in the air-conditioned shop constipation turned to mischief and he asked ever-so-innocently ‘you not see tailor?’ Well, no, I was sweating and had to go and towel off and dry down before the fitting. Better to arrive late looking good. When traveling we are more in sync about being on time. Bangkok Guy approves of my habit of arriving ninety minutes to two hours in advance of a flight as he sees the point in ensuring there is no need to rush. He knows that planes unlike tailors will not wait. The expression that had not registered with me before was Seductive. Deeply, seriously, a finger dipped in an ice-cold martini and traced slowly over warm skin seductive. On the Mekong cruise Bangkok Guy in loose black cotton pants and a black short sleeved linen shirt is sitting, leaning back against the railing, both arms spread languidly along the top of the rail, his head very slightly down, looking straight at me from under his brow. Lauren Bacall has competition and from a very unexpected quarter. However, when I think about it, it is only unexpected because Bacall’s writers wrote in long pauses freighted with meaning to enable the stare to linger and burn into the soul while Bangkok Guy and I crack each other up too much for the whole slow-burn seductive thing to last more than a few seconds. Maybe we need a second set of writers?

Over the years I have stayed many times in Egypt. My most recent stay was for one month traveling between Cairo, Luxor, and Aswan. CAIRO: It used to be the case that the Khan el-Khalili market provided young men for sex, but that is largely no longer the case. The same could be said for the nearby Egyptian museum where I had a number of trysts over the years. Today, things are much less exciting and far more dangerous. The secy male vendors at the market will certainly gay bait you to buy some of their items, and even hold hands with you saying they are hard, but they never seem to want to leave or arrange a time for sex. I did find one vendor down a side alley that never gets visitors that was willing. I entered his shop, he stood really close as I looked at his items, and then he smiled and rubbed two of my fingers. When I smiled back and squeezed his hand, he said he was hard, liked me, and wondered if I liked “Egyptian Sausage”? I said yes but expected him to not be willing to try anything. He then said times were tough and he could use a little money. We negotiated and he then proceeded to close the doors of his shop. We then did the deed there in his closed shop. Thereafter, I have always visited the shops in the side alleys of the Egyptian cities where I have been quite lucky many times. I stayed this time at the Nile Hilton Hotel which, as you will see on the internet, always has a few guys in the lobby, the bar, and the health club for you to sample. Most were just a bit too professional for my taste, and I was always a bit wary that I might get set-up. As you will read, Grindr and Bathhouse raids are the norm right now in Cairo, so gays must be extremely vigilant. I had a number of hotel encounters and the one market encounter. LUXOR: Luxor is filled with sexy guys, scary guys, and scamming guys. The scamming guys are the young ones that are along the pedestrian sidewalk on the east side. They will start talking with you, ask you to come see their boat, and then once you are there the real boat owner appears trying to get you to contract a journey. One guy even got me to the boat, started to push off, and out popped the owner as the boat was about to pull away. Luckily, I jumped back on the ramp before it went off. So, the boat guys are mostly scammers although the exceptions can be found like in Aswan (see below). The sexy AND scary guys were the horse carriage drivers. If you walk along the Nile walkway, just make eye contact with the carriages until you see a sexy driver you want to try. I usually negotiate a price for a tour and specifically say I do NOT want a stop for water, tea, a rug, or a restaurant. In every case the young driver will ask if I am married. When I say no they then ask if I am gay. I smile and shake my head yes. They will then ask if I like “Egyptian Sausage” or “Egyptian Banana” to which I smile and say yes. It is then that you negotiate with them for a quiet place somewhere to do the deed. The only time it is scary is when they return you to a location. No matter what price you agreed upon, then will go ballistic and demand more money. Hold your ground and hand them the money. They will throw their hands back and say they will not accept it. I then throw the money on the ground and walk away. The next day they will be so kind and want to do the same thing again to make money. The next group of sexy guys is the market guys late at night. I take a walk every evening and go down the side alleys to find shops that are not normally frequented. I have been very lucky in Luxor to find young guys willing to close the doors of their shop or take me to a side storage area to do the deed. Lastly, I have had good luck at my hotel. If you stay at a big hotel, be sure to frequent the pool area in the late evening when they are cleaning it. Likewise, when you see the male attendants cleaning your floor, stay around the room and make eye contact when they start to clean. They will always strike up a conversation and ask if you are married. After you say no, then their next response will determine if they are available for a little cash. ASWAN: I have met tons of gay German tourists to this city over the years. One has been retired there and has shown me the ropes. The young guys here are available in the following: horse carriage drivers, young boat owner, market vendors, banana island, and camel drivers. The horse carriage drivers in Aswan operate the same as in Luxor (see above). As for the boat owners… one of the best ways to take advantage of these is to go to McDonalds and eat your meal at the tables facing the Nile. From there the boat owners will approach you asking if you would like a ride in their boat. I always offer to walk down and see their boat. Once there, they ask if I am married. When I say no, I then also ask what is down in the cargo area of the boat. They then will always want me to venture down with them. Once down a few steps, the guy will show his dick and ask the question of the sausage and banana. You can then do the deed right there in privacy after agreeing upon the price. I once did pay a boat owner for a felucca trip during which he offered his banana to me whilst he guided the boat up the Nile. At night, it is also possible to see many young boat owners taking people out on the Nile to see the night stars. I did this several times and once you are out on the Nile away from people in the darkness, he will ask if you are married. Once you say no, he will usually show what he has to offer and you can do the deed there in darkness on the Nile. Some of these same boat owners will say they will take you to “Banana Island” which you can google and will find is a real island on the west side of the Nile. Historically, it is nothing special except once you get there and are between the bananas, the young guy will pull out his offering and ask if you want a banana. It is a quick blow job given the limited time and space available. Similarly, the camel drivers on the west side are usually taking people to the old Coptic monastery. Take a cheap boat ride across the Nile from the east to that west area. Pause and take a look at the camel drivers. Once you find a guy you like, go up and ask a price to take you to the monastery. Once you are on your way, the guy will get on the camel with you behind him on the same seat. Your hands are around his waist and your crotch in his rear. Over the course of the trip, he will ask if you are married. Once you arrive at the monastery, the tour is self-service or the ticket man will show you around for a few wads of cash. Once you start your return journey to the original point, the camel driver will stop at a point where you can take some photos. It is here that he will show you what he has to offer and you can make an agreement to do the deed right there amongst the boulders of the desert overlooking the Nile. Surreal. I have visited that monastery too much, but I can’t just visit Aswan without sampling sexy young camel drivers. PAY: Most want 100-200 Egyptian pounds ($7-$12 USD) for you to give them a blow job. When the location provides for more, they will ask 200-400 ($12-$25) for the deed. You can actually bargain them lower, but it is already really inexpensive. This will be in addition to any other prices for the carriage ride, camel ride, or boat ride. Those prices usually range from 100-400 pounds as well. SEX: Every guy I met was active, would fuck, and would let you suck him. Only one in all my years has agreed to kiss. LANGUAGE: Arabic and some English. GRINDR: If you do you are crazy.

I have just returned home from a one month vacation in Thailand. I decided this time to plan a side trip to Koh Chang. Here is a brief report of my recent adventure. After spending a week in Bangkok, I stayed in Pattaya for ten days, so I was ready to hit the road for a break. In Pattaya I rented a car for the trip to Koh Chang. I have rented vehicles many times in Thailand, because I like the freedom driving a car gives me. I took a boy from a Pattaya bar with me, he was eager to travel with me. It was a good break for him to get away from the bar for a few days, while still making a guaranteed long time tip each day. I have always paid any boy traveling with me the going rate for long time tip daily, and of course I paid for all expenses. I always let them know if they want free time away from me, they can have it, but I have found they usually want to stick with me every day. When I ask them what they would like to do, the usual response is the ubiquitous "up to you". Believe me, if you have planned something a boy thinks is boring, or not fun for them, they won't be shy to tell you. Total travel time from Pattaya to Koh Chang was about 6 hours, including the ferry ride. The first part of the trip was from Pattaya to Laem Gnop in Trat province, that's where the ferries depart for Koh Chang. The drive was about 4.5 hours, very enjoyable, going through Sattahip, Rayong, and Chantaburi. As you can see in this photo, Koh Chang is very close to the Cambodian border. Because Koh Chang is a very large island, I wanted to take the rental car on the ferry to use to get around and explore the island. The ferries run frequently. Tickets are 80 baht for each passenger, and 120 baht to take a car. The ride takes about 40 minutes. After driving aboard, all passengers go up to the second deck lounge for the transit to the island. There are snacks and drinks available on the second deck from a small store and a coffee stand. I had made a reservation for Seabreeze Bungalows in Kai Bae Beach for five nights. I chose the deluxe bungalow, and it was 1,850 baht per night, including all taxes and fees. Not a bad deal for a good room on an island in January during high season. This price was locked in long before the current coronavirus was news. Upon landing on Koh Chang, it took about 20 minutes to reach the bungalow, driving south along several beaches on the way. The further south from the ferry pier, the more rustic the small villages along the beaches are. White Sands Beach is the first beach coming from the ferry. It is the largest beach, and the most developed on the island, something I wanted to avoid. After leaving White Sands Beach, the road begins to narrow, and the atmosphere becomes much more tranquil, with less development, and fewer people. I decided since Kai Bae Beach was located in between White Sands beach and Lonely Beach, it would be a good location to stay. Lonely Beach is the most popular beach with backpackers, and is known for very loud parties every night at different bars that go till dawn. Kai Bae turned out to be a good choice, a very relaxed area, but with a good assortment of small restaurants and bars. There was a Filipino band that played every night at the open air bar and restaurant at the Seabreeze Bungalows where we stayed. This is the bungalow where we stayed. This is the main road running through Kai Bae Beach. If you travel without a car, there are songtaews, making it very easy to get around the island. They charge a fixed rate based on how many beaches you pass. The songtaews meet the ferries, and they strap any large bags on the roof for transport to your hotel. One day we rented kayaks, and paddled about 20 minutes to an uninhabited island offshore from Kai Bae beach. When I first mentioned this, the boy I was with thought that sounded like fun. It included getting up early to rent the kayaks and be on the water by 9 am. I have heard many people say that it's impossible to drag a bar boy out of bed early, but if there's something they want to do, they'll make sure to be ready. There are several waterfalls, and we had planned to hike up to one, but figured since it is dry season with little rain that there wouldn't be anything to see. Each day we went to a different part of the island to explore using the rental car. One day I bought us masks and snorkels. The boy I was with said he liked snorkeling, as he had never done it before. He told me afterwards it was good, but he didn't get to see any fish. There are a few 7-Eleven stores on the island, and a small Big C, and a small Makro. Another reason I chose the Seabreeze Bungalows is it was only a short walk to a 7-Eleven store, very convenient to buy snacks and drinks. Most motorbikes buy their gasoline from stands selling it in used liquor bottles as you still see in some areas of rural Thailand and other parts of Southeast Asia. There are many small restaurants, and unlike Phuket, the prices for food were reasonable, about the same as on the mainland. The air quality on the island was great until late every night when a local resident decided it was a good idea to set large piles of leaves on fire, letting them smolder all night. There was an elephant camp just steps from the bungalows, and every afternoon, the mahouts would take the juvenile elephants down to Kai Bae Beach to swim and allow tourists to swim with them and take photos. The salt water didn't bother the elephants, as they were having fun spraying the tourists with water from their trunks. Koh Chang was a good break after being in Bangkok and Pattaya. Five days was a good getaway. It's a place I had wanted to see for some time. It's well worth the taking the time to travel there.

rightly so. As they say 'one statistic sample is not a basis to develop hypothesis "

accurate right now but it doesn't mean much when we think about the future, There's empty lot in my area but I know that when time comes - in November it will be busy and full as it's where they sell Christmas trees. When we return then will Pattaya resurrect to it's former glory. Amen

I agree with daydreamer that whilst having a.longer term relationship it’s good to get away from Bkk or Pattaya for a few days to avoid things getting stale. The boys always like that and sometimes suggest it. With LTR boy I actually visited his family home in Samet Sakhon near Bkk. I was nervous about this but it turned out ok especially when I took 8 family members for a nice meal with lots of beer. They knew all about his work in Pats and it turned out I wasn’t the first farang he had taken there. I also went with that boy and a friend and his boy to Koh Samet for 3 nights at a beach resort. Lots of fun in and out of the water with our boys wearing very sexy speedos we bought for them in Pattaya Central sports store. Lots of stares from other guests of course. A great break indeed from trawling the bars in search of that 5* boy. I also agree with Londoner regarding the ambition of the boys to have a LTR. Great prestige is gained by showing your farang off to your friends and having him buy them drinks. The ultimate is when he is persuaded to develop a relationship with Western Union whilst back home (I have to plead guilty myself)

PART THREE: SEX: I found guys for sex in the daylight hours only outside the Café Atlas and at the Theatre. At night, I found sex in all the other places already noted. 99% of the guys are active and will only get sucked or fuck. Strangely, many of these same active guys (about 75%) were willing to also do great kissing. The exception was near the Pizza Hut where I found passive guys that would do it all. GRINDR: I had been warned that both police and crooks used Grindr in Marrakesh to steal from gay foreign men. I had plenty of messages and required each guy to video chat with me. When a guy would not, I simply blocked him. Most of the guys were dark skinned Africans who were only active and offering their services. In virtually every conversation it just didn’t feel right. I finally met up with one white skinned guy at McDonald’s one evening. I took him to a nearby park and had fun for about an hour. ALL the gays I met in Marrakesh warned me about Grindr scams, so I finally realized I had plenty of other guys I can find in much safer venues. MONEY: Grindr guys asked for 500-750 dirhams ($55-$83). Street, Jemaa, and Theatre guys asked for 150-200 dirhams ($16-$22) LANGUAGE: Most speak Arabic or French. You can get by with google translate but be warned that some street guys may try to steal your phone. For the most part, you can use gestures and number signs to flash what you want or will pay. LOCATION: I used the parks, side alleys, and theatres. WARNING: For the most part, I felt very safe in Marrakesh. I had only two scary moments in Marrakesh. The first was at the Art Garden where a man was walking home with a friend. A scooter suddenly pulled up, a guy grabbed the man’s briefcase, and then started to drive off. The man fought them off and the scooter sped away. The man was hit pretty badly and required an ambulance. I served as a witness because the police were nearby and caught the scooter by ramming it. Exciting action! The second really scary moment came near the Pizza Hut. I had finished with my evening and was walking back to my hotel along AMV. I stopped for only 30 seconds to give a young man a cigarette when he asked. Suddenly, a “tourist cop” pulled up and separated us. He talked with the young man and then placed him in the police car. He then came to me and asked for ID. I showed him a photocopy of my passport and told him in English that I was on my way back to my hotel. I asked him why he was detaining the young man. He asked if I knew him and I said no. He then said he was going to arrest the young man because he was talking to a foreigner which was not allowed. He said that for 1000 dirhams he would free the guy if I wanted to pay. I refused and the cop drove away with the young man. I saw the young man the next day on my daily walk and he said he had to pay the cop 300 dirhams and give him a blow job to not be arrested. I would find out from local gays that this kind of scam happens regularly with foreigners. PLACES TO NOT GO: Locals gays noted regular police raids on: Cyber Park (A’rasat Mulay Abdeslam) and the Hammam Es Salam. SUMMATION: I find Arab guys incredibly sexy and have had great times in Morocco. It is true that most want to get the most from you as possible, but we all already know that. Except for the Airbnb experience in Rabat, I felt safe most all the other times. Once the lockdown finishes, I plan to take another tour of the Middle Eastern and African men!!!

PART TWO: Now, nothing much happened during the day at the Jemaa. At night, however, some of the strangest rituals in the Middle East proceeded to happen. To prepare, you need to do the following: Store all your money and ID in your shirt pocket or travel pouch. Get yourself a jacket of some kind that zips up the front so no hands can get to shirt pockets. Then get yourself plenty of 20 dirham notes ($2) and fold then really small so they will separately be recognizable by your hand when placed in your shirt pocket. During the course of the evening you will NOT be able to look at the money, but just reach into your pocket and feel to pull out of the 20 dirham bills. You also need coinage that you will need to donate at various times to the music groups who have a man that comes around seeking donations. I kept the bills in my shirt pocket, the coins for the groups in my right pant pocket, and never took my right hand out except for a brief moment. You will see many music performers or groups that start to perform in the evening. As they perform, crowds will start to form a circle around them. Suddenly you will see old men in the first circle around the performers, and then another second circle will form. GET IN THAT SECOND CIRCLE! You will probably be the only foreigner in the group so you are going to notice that old and young men start to form beside and around you. For most, their goal is to pick-pocket you and take your money. As they start to put their hands into your pockets you need to give them a stern push and look. Be mindful that they usually operate in twos… one will do the touching and when you turn to him, the other is on the other side and goes for your other pockets. These guys will get really, really, really close to you and that is actually the norm. In fact, some of the guys are NOT there for pick-pocketing by only to have you play with their dick. Here is where I had some fun! Inevitably there will be some young guys that will stand next to you… actually, they stand right behind and beside you to your left or right. They will position their crotch to be where your hand is located. Remember, they are not there for the nice music. Give them a glance and then just look around to make sure there are people behind and around you both so that your hand actions cannot be seen. Then, let your hand drift to the young guys crotch to enjoy feeling his dick. It will start to get hard and he may even unzip for you to play with it. This is all done whilst you are still looking at the group performing. The music is not long, so the action will soon stop. At that point, I just reached through my jacket into my shirt pocket to take out a 20 dirham note. While still looking at the group, I then handed it to his hand without anyone knowing. I basically just paid $2 to cop-a-feel of a sexy young Arab guy. We all then walked away as we go to another group. The age range goes from very young to very old. If there is a guy you want to do more with, then turn to leave the group and give him the eye with a smile. As you walk away a short distance, stop and turn. He will usually follow and you can have a conversation. You can go to the nearby Parc Lalla Hasna park or theatre for some privacy to do more. After about one hour of feeling up various guys, I suddenly found young guys all around me for the rest of the evening seeking a little cash. They seemed to have told their friends what I liked and how to get a little extra cash. Over the course of two weeks, I easily enjoyed feeling 15-20 Arab cocks each evening whilst listening to music. THEATRE: Right next to the Jemaa is a movie theatre showing regular movies. It is located on Passage Prince Moulay Rachid next to the Café Glacier Restaurant. That theatre has three levels. One of the boys I enjoyed at the Jemaa told me that if I gave him money for a theatre ticket and we went separately, then we could meet up later in the theatre for some better action. He was 19 and had the biggest dick for a young Moroccan that I had ever touched. We walked to the theatre, he paid his ticket, and then he went for the basement level down some steps. I then arrived five minutes later and did the same. That basement area of the theatre is actually the main floor and easily seats 300 people. The upper two levels are where couples go to make-out and cuddle. As you walk in, you will give the old man your ticket stub. He may try to seat you, and that is ok. If not, go to the far back left section of the theatre. This is where you may actually already find some young guys there ready to offer some sex for money. If you got seated by the old man, then just sit and wait a few minutes. Then as you get up be sure to eye your guy and you both can meet in that back left section. You can usually give your guy a full blow job there, or you can go to the rather dirty bathroom which had some stalls that you can use for fucking. PART THREE FOLLOWS..

Yea, I did not count the registration email, in that case, there are 2 emails. The second one looks like this Federative Republic of Brazil Ministry of Health Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency NAME: XXX YYY DOCUMENT NUMBER: AB123456 Dear XXX, Thank you for filling in the "Travelers' Health Declaration". If you have two or more symptoms, you should postpone your travel and seek medical care. If your travel cannot be postponed, we recommend that you bring a medical certificate attesting that your symptoms are not related to COVID-19. If the symptoms appear during the travel, you might be requested to remain in self-isolation for 14 days. General recommendations: Wash your hands frequently with soap and water. If water and soap are not available, use alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Cover nose and mouth with disposable tissue when sneezing or coughing. Watch for possible symptoms of COVID-19. If you have difficulty breathing seek medical care immediately. Keep distance from others. Follow Ministry of Health's and local health authorities' guidelines. Use face mask in public areas. Sincerely, Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency

It's been so nice not hearing from him

Final thought...the name of this forum is mispelled. Would be great to see it fixed: Colombia: full list of hot spots It's a major sore spot with the locals, so much so that they sell T-shirts to the tourists noting the difference

I know it stands for Bogotá Brewing Company, but I still laugh everytime I walk past one of these locations.

Mack - to answer your questions: Yes, the bungalow was a duplex. The room was square, and the bathroom was tucked around, added onto the back side, not visible in the photo from the front. The front deck was thoughtfully offset to provide privacy so the residents from the other unit were not visible when they were sitting outside. As for food, we ate every meal at different Kai Bae restaurants. There was plenty of variety, lots of seafood places, regular non-seafood Thai food, and a number of different options for western food. There was even a Thai buffet place where you cook your own food at your table, it looked popular with locals and some tourists. The only western meal we ate was pizza one night, so I can't really speak to the quality of the western food, although there was a highly rated Mexican restaurant very close to the bungalow compound, but we didn't eat there. There are quite a few small restaurants down the side sois off the main road. As I said in the report, meal prices were reasonable, not inflated like on some islands. Most places are open air, typical of a beach resort. Here's a typical restaurant right on the main road in Kai Bae where we ate breakfast one morning. Note the parrot sitting in the tree in this photo. In addition, there was a place specializing in burgers, one serving Greek food, and the usual western fare of Italian, plus Indian restaurants that seem to be everywhere in Thailand nowadays. There were no Indian tourists, and it looked like the Indian restaurants were starving for business. There was even an Indian tailor shop offering to "make a nice suit for you, sir". Seemed kind of out of place on a laid back tropical island. The restaurants I just mentioned were all at Kai Bae within a short walk from the room. Lots more food options at the other beaches not far away, but we were satisfied with what we found at Kai Bae. The tap water was fine. I brushed my teeth with it, and no strange odor or discoloration in the water. I know what you mean, I remember staying at the Tropica Bungalows at Patong Beach in Phuket about 20 years ago. The tap water contained tiny red worms I could see coming from the tap against the white sink. And this was no budget room, Tropica Bungalows is right on the beach road, directly at the corner of Bangla Road in Patong Beach. I suspect some water gets contaminated from being held in those large storage tanks many places use. The water sits in the heat in those storage tanks, and who knows what grows in the tanks. Yes, I remember when many places on Koh Samet used generators for electricity, before there was a stable power supply. The place I stayed 20+ years ago on Koh Samet would turn off the generators during daylight hours, so no power all day. I agree, the tap water was dodgy on Koh Samet back then, but things have improved a lot in the last couple decades. Of course this was before the internet. Could you imagine today not having wi-fi access 24/7, or power to a cell phone tower when the generators turn off all day? It wouldn't bother me, but the way many people are glued to their screens all day, I think they wouldn't know what to do with themselves with no phone access. There is a sign on the wall in the Balcony Pub in Silom Soi 4 next to the bar that reads "We have wi-fi, so you don't need to talk to each other". Sad, but true. Yes, the sea was clean. No sign of pollution. When we drove to the far side of the island where it's sparsely populated, I noticed a large sewage treatment facility, so they are trying to keep the sea clean. This was many miles from the beaches on the west side of the island. They're doing a lot better at keeping the water clean than Hong Kong is. There are approximately 200 ships in port in Hong Kong daily at anchor and various moorages in the harbors. Raw sewage is regularly pumped from the ships directly into the sea in Hong Kong rather than transferring it to sewage barges for proper treatment. The photos of the beach were taken at Kai Bae Beach. White Sands Beach is a few miles north, and is the nicest and largest beach on the island with the best sand, although the most crowded with people. We went to White Sands one day to swim, but like I say, it's far more crowded. At Kai Bae, there were plenty of places with chairs or loungers tucked back under the trees. No masses of chairs and umbrellas like they have in Jomtien. One more thing to note - public access to the beaches is becoming harder to find. Like many places in the world, resorts buy up big swaths of ocean front land, denying the public access to the water. This is widespread at White Sands Beach. Take a look at the satellite view on Google, and you can see how resorts are blocking off entire beaches from the public. Of course the beaches are public up to the high tide mark, but in some areas of Koh Chang, try getting to the water without trespassing. In Kai Bae, there is open public access to the beach, with a road leading right to the water. That's how the elephants access the beach every day to swim.