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  1. ADD slimy, sleazy nazi Steven Miller to the Trump teams POSITIVE Covid list....... HOORAY ! "Yeah, that's Right !"
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  2. TotallyOz

    Proud Boys

    Is this the group Trump is supporting?
    2 points
  3. Talk aobut shooting yourself in the foot. This is really going to help Thai tourism recover once Chinese social media goes to town on this. Madness!
    2 points
  4. In some respects, guys we meet via the apps would probably be more likely to be troublesome. We are usually able to suss-out what we are buying after spending some time in a bar with a guy but when someone whom you've never met knocks on your door..... Nevertheless, I stick with my assessment (never, sadly, having been to Japan) that Thai guys are remarkable for their willingness to engage and do their best to please. Interestingly, they are likely to say the same of us....in most cases. P and I often speak of the Good Old Times (pre 2010 or so in my estimation). He says that he loved his three years in Pattaya in the early 2000s and that the falangs he met treated him well. There are two exceptions to this which he has mentioned more than once, indicating that they upset him deeply. Both were issues of thoughtlessness more than anything else. He is open and generous to a fault and sensitive to anyone not treating him with equal respect. In these times of separation, I am more and more drawn to my happy memories of Thailand and a sense of gratitude to the unique experiences which the Thai people have given me .
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  5. From The Nation Thai exporters are upbeat about business prospects, citing gradual increase in demand, but they are worried about the baht strengthening as well as the shortage of migrant workers. The Thai National Shippers’ Council (TNSC) has revised upward its export projection this year to 8 per cent contraction from 10 per cent contraction previously forecast, says Ghanyapad Tantipipatpong, the council chairman. Products in demand include rubber gloves, washing machines, fax machines, telephones and parts, and gold, she noted. The baht remains strong and can be an obstacle for exports, as it makes Thai products more expensive than products of competitors. The baht should stay at around Bt34 per dollar, down from the current Bt31 level, or it must move along with regional currencies, she said. A shortage of migrant workers is also adversely affecting businesses, she complained. The rise of logistics cost, including freight cost, is also a cause for concern, she pointed out.
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  6. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed JKane's screenshots. Got a major guffaw from George Takei. He's caused many around the world to experience serious pain. A lot of people are praying for his death. It's difficult to imagine the war against Trumpism if Trump manages to stay alive. As long as he is alive, he will crave attention. Trump is the consummate TROLL. Karma is often a bitch. I wouldn't want to be Trump. In Ancient Rome, "the people" beheaded their emperor(s)-gone-bad and placed the bloody heads on a wooden pile along the edge of the Tiber for everyone to mock and spit on. Maybe Kathy Griffin had something all along. I, too, was surprised the feature had gone missing, and then noticed the three dots. Code writers are obsessed with "clean" these days, so they're hellbent on hiding almost everything. The game of tech. Since I like clean ass, I can deal with the concept of clean. It's definitely that. How sad that people, not by choice, must be exposed without their permission. Maybe some Congressperson should make that against the law. There was talk about making laws to hurt gays who knowingly infected other men. At least Trump can't pretend to be Covid-free. My friends in Europe are simply dumbfounded. And they are angry. Every European business owner I know says, "What happens first in America comes here next." I was content to be away from U.S. news for a couple of months. But I was glad to return in time for the election. Racism is the biggest issue associated with Trump voters. Until we tackle that as a country, there will always be room for Trumpism in America.
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  7. LOL. Actually, it's Invision Community. https://invisioncommunity.com/ PS Btw, I've only been on for two days, but so far no problems.
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  8. TotallyOz

    Ignored users

    If you add someone to the ignore list, you choose what you want to ignore. If you click posts, it will ignore all posts. It does not seem to ignore those that start threads but if you click on someone you ignore who start a thread, you won't see what they post but you see the title of the thread from them if others have posted in that thread.
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  9. I can't care less but if I was person in question I'd be mightily upset. Even long time visitors have their plans and such abrupt delay coupled with lousy explanation may leave bitter taste. I think it's wise to wait out all those 'special ' treatments and travel when regular regime will be back in force. Only hope is that they learn not to invent wheel again but oil one already existing while putting it back to careful use i.e. let fucking tourists in, one by one or plane load by plane load and see what happened. When they opened schools where I live 1 month ago there were prophesies of incoming Armageddon and pupils dying like flies. 1 month later , with few glitches here and there it seem to be almost normal with school buses blocking streets all the same like in glory pre-virus days.
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  10. From Reuters By Liz Lee KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia's AirAsia X Bhd , the long-haul arm of AirAsia Group Bhd , said it wanted to restructure $15.3 billion of debt and slash its share capital by 90% to continue as a going concern. Hard hit by the coronavirus pandemic as closed borders have grounded most of its planes, the budget airline said it had severe liquidity constraints and, with no return to normalcy in sight, added, "Imminent default of contractual commitments will precipitate a potential liquidation." Its statement late on Tuesday came just days after Malaysia Airlines, the other major carrier, said it was very low on cash and had reached out to lessors, creditors and suppliers for urgent restructuring. AirAsia X is seeking to reconstitute 63.5 billion ringgit ($15.3 billion) of debt into a principal amount of 200 million ringgit and waiver of the rest. That debt restructuring as well as a revamp of its business model would be needed to raise fresh equity and debt, which in turn would be required to restart the airline, it said. =============================================================== From Bloomberg News AirAsia Ceases Operations in Japan AirAsia Group Bhd. will cease operations in Japan immediately as it tries to reduce cash burn amid the coronavirus outbreak that’s wiped out travel demand globally. AirAsia Japan has stopped operations as of Monday, Southeast Asia’s second-biggest budget carrier said in a statement. That will help the parent conserve cash. Further steps on the decision will be made in accordance with applicable laws and regulations including the Japan Civil Aeronautics Act, it said. The low-cost airline has been under immense pressure this year as Covid-19 roils the aviation industry. It reported its largest loss on record in the second quarter ended June 30 and Chief Executive Officer Tony Fernandes has been in talks for joint ventures and collaborations that may result in additional investment. “We have concluded that it would be an extremely challenging feat for us to continue operating without any visibility and certainty of a post-pandemic recovery path,” said Jun Aida, the chief operations officer of AirAsia Japan. “This painful decision to cease operations was decided neither in haste nor taken lightly.”
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  11. Londoner

    A stabbing incident.

    I had an elderly American friend who found himself in a similar situation and ended up fleeing from Pattaya to Bangkok. The problem was again unfulfilled expectations. Some of the guys invest inordinate hopes in what they may believe- perhaps from the singular experiences of a friend- is a long-term relationship. They make plans, tell their friends and maybe in some cases perhaps even their family, that they "have a falang" and, accordingly, financial problems are at an end. Then comes loss of face, with inevitable consequences. One of P's oldest friends was in a ten-year relationship with a falang ex-pat in Pattaya. Both were working. One day, he came home to find the falang had disappeared, taking with him all his possessions. No note of explanation, nor even a goodbye. Thai/falang relationships are not easy, even when both parties are on the same continent; both take risks, both can be hurt. I don't blame anyone who prefers to stick to short-times. I have to admit that my sixteen year relationship has sometimes been a deeply emotional strain.... on both sides!
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  12. Like z909 I’ve had very few significant problems with Asian rent boys over the almost 20 years of visits to Thailand. One however sticks in my mind of a Pattaya boy I had slept with during several consecutive trips and who had started to regard me as his daddy. On this occasion I had offed him 3 nights in a row but had wanted a change so had told him I wouldn’t be coming to his bar that night. Instead I went online for a bed companion. About midnight there was a loud bangIng on my hotel room door - it was him with a friend demanding to know why I had not turned up and that he had missed off opportunities. Things looked threatening so I told the online boy to go giving him the LT rate. Thankfully the guy on reception came because of the noise. He advised me to pay my “boyfriend” some money which I did and they left still shouting. I was shocked and worried that I would be on the receiving end of a Thai vendetta. At 5 am I checked out and took a taxi to Bkk Where I remained for the rest of my trip (the reception guy said that this was a good move).
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  13. I had to use my phone and load more money onto my card. I tried to keep the balance of the card around $100 usd but I was on a spending spree that day. Using the transferwise app on my phone I was able to transfer money from my bank account to my transferwise card in less than a minute.
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  14. Latbear4blk

    Ignored users

    Put him in ignore! Your participation experience will change immediately, for better!
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  15. Gaybutton

    Keep your mouth shut

    That news makes it much more likely that this man is going to end up spending two years in a Thai jail, paying a hefty fine, and then getting deported back to the USA. And with all the gun nuts in the USA he'll fit right in . . .
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  16. Buddy2

    Ignored users

    I am jealous that you never see Marylander's threads Yesterday he actually yelled at me for starting two threads about Trump's covid illness. Mary 1940 has likely started 800 + threads over there and perhaps a few here too
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  17. Awesome article. Thanks for posting that. I agree with the author. It's part of the weirdness of the President Toxic era that Steven "Foreclosure" Mnuchin, the guy who said the fat cat tax cuts would pay for themselves (Oops!), is arguably the most shining light in this Administration. The other two survivors that come to mind are Pence and Pompeo. I see both of them as both ass kissers and conservative ideologues who play to Trump's right. What's interesting about Mnuchin, as the article documents, is that he excels at both ass kissing and centrist pragmatism and compromise. This is the line from the article that best sums it up to me: I'll take it one step further. The saddest thing about Mnuchin as a historical figure is that he symbolizes what a Trump Presidency could have been. There was talk between November 2016 and January 2017 about how Trump, having won, might come out of the box as an "art of the deal" consensus builder that lived to cut deals, like Mnuchin appears to. Karl Rove was talking up a big infrastructure bill. Had President Toxic listened solely to people like Mnuchin and Rove, he might be in a very different position today. Instead, Steven Bannon wrote his red meat Inaugural address. Where has that gotten him? One obvious problem for President Toxic is his conservative base. But they've followed him off the cliff, anyway. I have to imagine they'd have also followed him if he'd decided to build a bridge over the cliff, instead. And then there are all the conservative GOP Senate and House members. But they've turned into his lap dog, anyways. Even though it likely means many of them are on the verge of losing elections. Surely they would have preferred to follow him if it actually meant winning. My theory is that the real problem is just President Toxic. Steve Mnuchin is everything Trump is not. Including someone who knows when and how to ass kiss when he needs to. And how to cut deals with Pelosi, rather than just tweet about her. I'll leave it to the historians to figure it all out for us. But it is a tragedy, even before the tragedy of COVID.
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  18. Finally my login issue has been resolved (almost). As mentioned . I was able to login using the method prescribed above. Then, a week or two ago, I was not able to login at all! And now, I can login simply by using the standard log in feature. But there is no "remember me" button. So thanks to whoever has resolved the issue.
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  19. Latbear4blk

    Ignored users

    *logging in
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  20. Rumors of my death ....................................... I know, I know. You've been lusting after my dildo collection every since we were horny teenage girls. Sorry, my dearest and most darlingest sister. But you'll just have to wait. So are you saying the racism ban at Daddy's is over? Like, did he stop being a racist? Maybe if you say so, sis. But I have my doubts. Anyway, I'm not dead or gone. I haven't posted for a week or so because I was just doing other things. Sometimes even I choose to keep my mouth shut. In terms of President Toxic, I'm in complete agreement with Nancy Pelosi. First, I wish him well and am glad he seems to be recovering. Second, hopefully it's a lesson that leads everyone to wear masks and be more thoughtful about NOT getting others sick. Hopefully none of the Republican Senators or power brokers who infected each other will get really sick or die. For the record, Daddy timed me out twice this year, both a long time ago. Both times were due to his deep racism, as far as I can tell. Needless to say, I'm quite sure he'd disagree. But I've spent enough time with Daddy in person and over the phone that I think I know a deeply racist man when I talk to one. What follows is a screed that probably is best left unsaid. But after all, sis, you know me. And I do think my arguments are valid about how Gays like Daddy should perhaps challenge themselves just a little bit more to really try to live in the 21st century. The first time Daddy timed me out was when I got way deep into arguing that The Birth Of A Nation was the most racist film ever made. It's actually funny looking back at that. Because it was early this year, before Black Lives Matter became a huge thing. In retrospect, it's very easy to see the film as the kind of racist toxic waste that's been brewing under the surface forever, and finally exploded this year. Saying the film is deeply racist is NOT a very controversial position. At least among almost all Blacks, and Whites who are not racists. Daddy is a Scorpio. According to astrology, Scorpios either fly high like a eagle, or slither like a snake. I have seen both of those sides of Daddy, personally. What I found sad about my time out this Spring was that the poor girl took the snake route and tried to make me look anti-Semitic. Which I suppose makes sense. Because he's smart enough to at least know he couldn't really win an argument about racism. Especially about what most Blacks seem to view as the most racist film ever made. The main racist poster I was taking on, Bigjoey, was basically arguing that The Birth Of A Nation was just portraying Blacks as they were seen at the time, in 1915. Not that there was anything racist about that, of course. I mean, it wasn't like the Director picked up a KKK book and KKK play because he intended to cause the Black Holocaust that actually followed, leading to mass terror, death, and the Black Great Migration, right? Since Bigjoey is a Jew, and Gay, I kept making the point that a film saying "Blacks are like raping ape-like predators and thus should be killed" is like saying "God hates fags and they all need to die" or like saying "Jews are vermin and they need to be exterminated". I cited murderous propaganda films - including The Wandering Jew and The Birth Of A Nation - that actually incited the mass murder of Jews, Gays, and Blacks. Bigjoey would have none of it. It was actually a surprise to me that someone who I thought of as thoughtful, and rightfully sensitive to anti-Semitism, could have such a massive blind spot to racism. Daddy timed me out and erased everything I wrote in one post, except for cutting and pasting the example I used of anti-Semitic statements like "Jews are vermin". It was very clear he wanted to make me sound like an anti-Semite. Even that didn't work, because the thread went on forever (with me posting, who could be surprised?), and I was incredibly consistent. The bumper sticker I used - "racism = homophobia = anti-Semitism = Islamophobia" - was pretty much in every page of the post. In order to argue I was saying I hate Jews, you'd also have to argue I was saying I hate Blacks and I hate Gays, such as myself. Again, this is what happens when Daddy knows he can't openly make a winning argument about racism. When Black Lives Matter exploded several months later, it actually made me feel good that I was a stubborn bitch about calling out racism. And defending Black Lives Matter activists who do so. The second time he timed me out was when I went after his own racism pretty much directly. He started that racist anti-Black Lives Matter thread, which is when anybody Black and anybody under 40 or so seemed to head for the exits of his website. While I did not name Daddy directly in my screed about racism, he is not stupid. The message was intended for him as the OP of the thread. And I'm sure he got the message. Because about 24 hours after I hit the post button I found myself timed out. I think I waited something like three months before I started posting here. First, I didn't want to just come here and spew bile. Second, I thought it might actually make sense to shut up for a while. If only to be reminded that I obviously like writing. But it was quite easy to reach the conclusion that I don't really need a gun-loving conservative racist to pass judgment on what I write. It also became clear to me that getting into arguments about films like The Birth Of A Nation with racists doesn't make all that much sense. Of course, I knew that anyway. Go ahead, sis. Say it. We both know I'm a stubborn bitch. Mostly it reinforced the idea that the best thing I can do right now is send lots and lots of money to Democrats from Joe Biden to Rev. Warnock - who actually looks like he can win a Senate seat in Georgia. If it works, Daddy and his racist gun-loving conservative views may run into a huge Wall-like obstacle in 2021 that he can't just time out. I noticed Daddy made a few posts recently that were not outwardly racist and hostile to Blacks. So maybe he got the memo. Regardless, I like posting here. There are fewer screeching conservatives. For years and years part of my job as an escort was actually having thoughtful conversations with conservatives. I think I was quite good at it. That's harder in the era of President Toxic. And I've probably just grown more stubborn. I don't miss debates, or arguments, with conservatives at all. There were much better days with Daddy. So I guess this is sad. I have to mention some words of gratitude here, as I have over there, and as I have told Daddy repeatedly to his face. I am very grateful to both Daddy and @TotallyOz, and especially Hooboy, for creating websites that made my escort career wildly successful. And also gave birth to friendships that have now lasted several decades. That was my motivation several years ago in hitting up lots of my clients and other regulars on his site to create monthly pledges for Daddy that generated I don't know how many thousands of dollars in monthly donations for a year or so. It helped solve Daddy's chronic cash flow problems for a while. And it allowed me to feel like I had paid back any debt due to the fact that he ran a free review website that worked out incredibly well for me. I'll say again. I will always be grateful to Daddy for that. And I wish him well. That was also the beginning of the end. Probably out of gratitude to me, Daddy made me a moderator on his website. That was an honor I didn't ask for, didn't want, and actually really didn't perform at all. In retrospect, I should have immediately said, "No." When he offered to give me the ability to time people out, I practically screamed into the phone, "No." I've never run a website like that. So I suppose I can't really judge. But I'm a huge freedom of speech advocate. So I'm not really into this idea of banning people for being, to quote Daddy, "toxic". It's quite ironic, in that I feel very sure that Daddy himself harbors some fairly toxic views, IMHO. My guess is Daddy came close to timing me out simply for using the phrase "President Toxic". He certainly made it clear I was skating on thin ice. The irony is that President Toxic has created such a huge backlash because of his toxic words and hate mongering that it will likely elect Biden in a landslide. And I laughed my ass off when Biden himself called President Toxic "toxic" and "racist". So Daddy has a lot of issues. Freedom of speech appears to be one of them. If Joe Biden were a member of Daddy's website, he'd probably ban poor Joe for being "toxic". Meanwhile, for someone with aspirations of being Miss Manners, Daddy's own silence on President Toxic's lies, hate, and racism is deafening. One of my biggest problems in life has always been that given the choice to be diplomatic and back off, I almost always chose to be blunt and confrontational. That worked very well for me as a community organizer and consumer activist. I picked lots of big fights and won almost all of them. With Daddy, it was a different game. I do give myself credit for being mostly diplomatic for about 15 years or so. For some strange reason, I actually never told Daddy that I essentially view him as a racist, gun loving conservative. So the idea of being a moderator over there just didn't seem like a very promising idea. The sole and very small contribution I made as a moderator was offering some language, basically from Chuck Schumer's Senate floor speech, defining the purpose of Daddy's website as "harm prevention". That way if DHS or any other agency ever tries to bust him he can point to his TOS and say that the website is doing EXACTLY what the Senators who voted for FOSTA/SESTA said they were for. Like preventing harm to vulnerable Gay minorities. You will notice that the only thing I said recently on Daddy's was a very long rant about how welcoming in more religious conservatives to our courts, including a very conservative SCOTUS majority, can only create problems for people like Daddy in the future. These are the very same religious conservatives who are the primary crusaders against prostitution, men who hires escorts, and websites like Rentboy. Again, I wish Daddy the best. But websites like his could easily be a target in a judiciary that takes a strict conservative/religious view on matters like abortion, prostitution, and even same sex marriage. Daddy also has a problem with kids. I also took him on about that. And in so doing I know Daddy well enough that I was quite sure no good deed would go unpunished. I found that images I posted including children kept being deleted. Example: a picture of Nancy Pelosi on the dais of the House when she became Speaker of the House again, and was surrounded by the children of newly elected House Democrats. When Daddy timed me out for a week because of my rant about The Birth Of A Nation, he actually cited that I posted a picture of children. In the context of that thread, I believe he was referring to this picture: That's "the girl in red" from Schindler's List. You can say a lot of things about that image. I might say that it is one of the most iconic and heart-wrenching images of the horrors of Nazi anti-Semitism ever created. My point in posting it was just that. Whites in America in the 21st Century ought to be able to agree - finally! - that The Birth Of A Nation was as horrific to Blacks in America as Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda was to Jews. And had just as horrific real life consequences in terms of mass terror and mass death. But one thing you simply can't say about that image is that it is child pornography. After Daddy kept removing images of children, I finally decided to post this video. In my post, I intentionally put him on the spot by asking his explicit permission as to whether it was okay to post, since it involved an image of a child. Again, Daddy is not stupid. He graciously thanked me for posting the video, and wondered out loud what it was the child handed to Mayor Pete (a bracelet he had made). Meanwhile, I used that to take Daddy on in the private moderator's forum. His argument was that posting any images of children is a "slippery slope", because the next thing you know it's child porn. My argument was that in the 21st century Gay men can be legally surrounded by naked kids. As in their own babies, whose diapers they are changing. Daddy's way of thinking is a throwback to an ugly and hateful anti-Gay past. Of course child pornography is wrong. But it's very Salem Witch Hunt to base your website on the idea that Gays and kids are just a bad match. Because "we all know what kind of perverts Gay men are." In fact, Gay men in the 21st century are actually a lot like Mayor Pete. Someday perhaps Chasten will be First Lady, and they'll grace The White House with their own children. Probably the worst thing I did is make an argument that one of the other moderators, also a liberal, agreed with. My experience is that Daddy doesn't particularly like being told he is wrong. Sometime shortly after that I found that I had been un-made a moderator, without explanation, just like I had also been made a moderator, without explanation. Almost everybody who hired me for years who knew and interacted with Daddy took exactly the same approach I did: slather him with praise, pay for his hotel room, and then talk about what you really think about him behind his back. Because he is intolerant of dissent. This is something I obviously feel very passionately about. Gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, and our allies pulled off the organizing victory of my lifetime, and of millenia. We took all the ugly and hateful and discriminatory things said about Gays and Gay love and Gay sex and turned thousands of years of bigotry around. And we did it by being deeply personal. We did it by opening our hearts. Gay men and lesbians pulled off one of the most amazing organizing victories of all time. With all due respect to warriors of Good Trouble like John Lewis, we showed the world how it is done. So I find the closed and closeted petty little world Daddy lives in sad. I'm not being too blunt, am I? I understand why he is the way he is. He's had many crosses to bear. As have we all. I think we are on the verge of changing America into a better, fairer, and more loving country. People are disgusted with the division and the hate. Gay men were on the front lines of learning how to win massive political change. Mostly because so many of us lost and lost and lost. And we kept our hopes up and our hearts open. And we continued to fight. Until we won. Daddy's is not a website that runs on that ethos. I spent a lot of time talking to him and to all the Gay men that come to the Palm Springs pool party about how we could defend a website like Daddy's from being the next Rentboy. Mostly those men are closeted and scared. Their ethos is to keep your head down. Don't fight, don't push back. Go with the flow, and hope you don't get busted. Don't go out on a limb. Don't take risks. These are guys I've known for years and years. I can respect their way of thinking. And Daddy's way of running his website. But I've lived my adult life pretty much doing the exact opposite. And I'm proud of it. Mostly, I'm glad that I gave Daddy a little bit of help when I could. And I stood up for what I view as moral things that I deeply believe in. And I'll say again that I will always be grateful that he ran a website that was very lucrative for me. Like I said, all this was probably better left unsaid. But you know me, sis. Like Daddy, I just can't help being the way I am. He isn't going to change. And neither am I. I have a very clear vision of where I hope Gay men, and America, go in the 21st century. It's just not a journey that I think Daddy feels particularly comfortable with. I wish him the best.
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  21. Buddy2

    The Boys in the Band

    Bomer's ass at age 42 is still one of wonders of Hollywood.
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  22. Why on earth did they hide it there? Like storing the toilet paper in the garage.
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  23. ADD New Jersey Gov Chris Christie (Trumps advisor) to the Covid positive list...... Wow, Karma is making a clean sweep !
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  24. Latbear4blk

    Trump Tests Positive

    By the way, the site did not lost the edit function. Look at the top right corner of each post and you will see three dots. Click there and a submenu unfolds. You will find the Edit function there... for a few minutes.
    1 point
  25. vinapu

    A stabbing incident.

    looks like you never heard about back stabbing
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  26. hank75

    A stabbing incident.

    Being stabbed might be too much of a challenge
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  27. vinapu

    A stabbing incident.

    moody and indifferent, better to be left alone even with greatest body. It's why I always advocate offing only guys who smile at us or at least look intensely in our direction
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  28. ask Michael, he may meet them for you , close and personal included
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  29. Bad timing to resume the flight as the country is now on the thrid wave of surge in cases and illegal immigrants as well as recent state snap election are to be blamed. Both are of course nto the only reason, and today alone, 691 new cases (huge chunk of the cases are in one stats and a prison in a different state) and 4 death reported, with one of the death is a baby, youngest ever reported covid death in the country. Borneo state sabah is under restricted movement with 7 district under lockdown. I expect cases will continue to rise for a week or two before it goes down again if the current measure works.
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