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OK, so tonight, I went back and took the boy from Super A. He had ID card that showed he turned 19 in August. We also took a boy I have been looking at in Freshboys for months and months. I have not taken him before as I thought he was too masculine and would be bad sex. However, both were excellent. Both were good at what they did and what I asked and...... hold your breath...... they were great with each other. Probably one of the best threeways I have had in Thailand. I was shocked! Totally. As they were showering, I almost told the boy from Freshboys that he has a room in my apartment and I wanted him to move with me immediately. But, I withheld my desire to tell him I think I'm in love and I'll see how I feel tomorrow. The biggest dick in the big dick show in Freshboys. Strong the entire night and passionate. Fuck, I think I'm in love again. Let me sleep on this! (the thought of it and not his dick)

I'm also in the camp of 3000 / day. This is what I paid on few of such occasions. I always asked him what his expectations are. Whey they expected less, I made it to 3000/day by way of parting bonus. If they wanted more I counter offered to 3000 and it was accepted. But honestly 20000 i.e 2000 / day would be reasonable as I doubt now even most popular guys get offed that often and 20000 is still sizable amount of money. Of course off fee for bar is on top of it. If you want economize, try to negotiate discount with bar, they may go for it those days. Or even better leave it to the boy - give him money and tell him if he manages to get discount , leftover is his. I'd not mention any parting bonus as it may create unwarranted expectations. Is better to surprise him at the end. 10 days is a long time, make sure you give him few hours daily to do whatever he wants and tell him in advance you will need the same. To boost his face arrange for him to pay bills when you are dining or taking trip somewhere together. This makes an impression in eyes of bystanders both of you are on even footage. Also , even if money is yours you may notice they will tend to order less costly menu items. It doesn't look good if you spend on the dinner the same amount you pay him as daily rate. You know all of that but other readers may find it useful

Friday nights are not usually my time to get out. But, today was a long day and I wanted a bit of fun. I started at Super A and....holy shit, 10 or more cute twinks. I bought 5 of them drinks and chatted them up. The one I wanted to take was 19 but with no ID card there, it will wait. He could show me a photo of it but will have it next time. Tawan had about 8 or so guys. You are not going to believe this, but I took one of them. 33 year old stallion with perfect (almost) English and funny and cute with a rock hard body and a hard dick. He was sweet and a fantastic massage. But, the sex part, well, I knew what I was getting when I took him and the eye candy was good enough for me. Dream Boy was about the same as last week. Hotmale seems to have more boys and much less customers. The boys were handsome and there were some I would have taken had I not had my Tawan guy. Lucky Boys was fun with a slew of sexy twinks and something for everyone. I have not seen the big cock show in a bit and watched it and glad I did. One lad who has been fun to chat with had the hardest dick and longest straight up erection I have seen in a while. He is next on my agenda. And, yes, I know most like not great sex but I'm willing to take a chance with him just to see if I like it. I didn't get anywhere else. But, I had a nice night with good conversations. BTW: Hot Male outdoor bar was packed every time I went back. It is nice to see things are getting back as normal as possible. Muscle boy just tried to fuck me in the shower so I threw him out. Just kidding about the throwing out part.

I’d suggest coming up with a mutually agreed rate and then propose a bonus if everything works out well. The long rate plus the off fee which would be around 4000b. a day. A new iPhone usually works well as an incentive bonus.

Mamasan was blocked ages ago. LOL And, I don't know it was the mamasan but I know from the last 5 times I go in Super A, they push drinks on boys that don't really want them. So, maybe a leap for me, but I'm willing to bet money when boy got back to bar and he told them the tip he was offered advice. Bad advice.

I guess it’s something to do with influx of Cambodia, Myanmar, Lao, Vietnamese boys driving down tip inflation whereas gogo girls, as far as I know, are predominantly Thai.

I had the same thing happen a few days ago. Reset my password and could log in again. What was weird is I could log in to Boytoy and see profile and messages, but could not log into the forum. I kept trying, and it eventually locked me out for 15 minutes. My old passwords was six characters and when I set up a new one there are different requirements - like at least 8 characters, caps, etc. Maybe that has something to do with it.

The conservative piece refers to Deep State as a real threat. I don't need to explore his opinions much beyond that, do I? Deep State was a conspiracy invented by Cambridge Analytica. To spend time discussing that POV gives credence to it. Then why not give Q a fair shake? Everyone deserves their opinion, right? Let's give Q a seat at the table. <--This is sarcasm. But really, Republicans are already going there.

Lab.oratory is closed until further notice. Hopefully it will reopen someday

I don’t think it is Clube 11 or Sauna Fox. One venue has what appears to be maroon-coloured door-frame trim but it is not the same doorway ... he could be standing in another section where the structure is different but that colour scheme may be extended. Maybe msg and ask: Você sabe se o Thermas Club 13 de Itapuã foi reaberto?

I don't think it has anything to do with generous or not generous. I think it has to do more with the boys often get screwed over by customers who promise a lot and deliver a little and they (like us) try to get as much as they can as fast as they can. I find this exact same behavior whether or not I have tipped well or not. Personally, I think the idea that they find this as weakness is a foreign way to say it is OK to be cheap. Just my opinion of course. The rate for short times has been almost the same as it was when I first started traveling to Thailand 20 years ago. Nothing else is the same but that seems to remain consistent.

Oxygen the series started ! https://youtu.be/N4f55nHRcnc

You did right thing. Nothing wrong with guys trying to get more but they need to get clear signal when they went too far or were too fast asking.

So, I woke up this AM to messages from both boys. 1. Thank you for a nice time. I hope to see you again. 2. I want to go to the sea this week. Can you send me some money? LOL Naturally, I responded to both. 1. Thank you. I enjoyed spending time with you. I will see you again at my condo. 2. Have fun at the sea. I just met you one time and you asked for money. Not very smart. (Blocked) TIT

He was not. He was from Thailand. And, he lives close to my condo. Thanks. I have been around a bit and know that when things start with money it is always about money. Love for me is more a lust for wanting to spend much more time with them than I normally do. I like a regular thing.

Just reporting an odd occurrence. Been trying to login as usual (google saved password) for the last several days without success. Gave up and reset my password just now and everything's fine again. Maybe on my end but don't know how.

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The forum software had an upgrade and it is reeking havoc on the system as we had auto login established and it is no longer working. The programmers are trying to fix this. But, it make take some time.

If we're really over 45, if the perfessor is right, everyone must still vote.

You are going to love it, I remember your posts in the private club. The geography and the architecture are designed for contemplation. The people is super friendly. The food is natural, simple and delicious. The beach experience is very relaxed and fun at the same time, I was not a beach person until I went to Salvador. You can observe signs of cultural syncretism everywhere, but even better, you can breath it. They have three saunas and Fox is one of my favorite establishments out of the few ones I have explored (remember, I am a newbie) in Brazil. And of top of all that, prices are lower than in Rio. All prices. I do not know whether or not you have read my reports here and in my blog. I was there in December 2018. The information I shared is still relevant, I think. I have kept contact with Marcelo, and I do not know whether or not he is still working at Thermas, but he is available and reachable at his social media. If you are interested, send me a PM.

That’s a good point! Maybe my hopes are up too high. Still I can’t wait to visit that historical city.

I hired 3-4 guys from vivalocal while I was in Rio. They were all decent programs, but I ended up having a lot more fun with the guys I took home from the sauna. Sometimes online programs feel a bit rushed. You will learn that sauna guys are truly professional and want you to have fun. Some beautiful guys you will only find online, but beauty doesn’t always lead to a great program. I paid about 400 for overnights and 150-200 for a regular program I.e 1 nut. But one sauna guy only charged me 280 for an overnight.

Companion Berghain, the world's top nightclub, has been turned into an sound art gallery. I wonder if lab.oratory is too. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/sep/08/berlin-berghain-club-gallery-tacita-dean-olafur-eliasson-wolfgang-tillmans https://www.travelandleisure.com/food-drink/bars-clubs/berghain-nightclub-berlin-reopening-sound-art-installation

and after watching 4 episodes I have an impression that 2 season is faster paced making it more interesting to watch , for me at least. Yes , while characters are the same whole cast is new. Out of main charaters I find Wayo and Fourth better looking in new incarnation By the way , is not first time than sequel of Thai BL is better than primary season, Dark Blue Kiss and Thogether With Me Next Chapter are coming to mind

Hello, Alaskabear. i have been going to Salvador regularMy since 2009. My last visit was late last year, pre-pandemic. Unless there have been some drastic decor or design changes, that is not Club 11 (formerly Planetario), Sauna Fox or Sauna Olympus. I have never been to the Thermas Clube 13 near the airport. so I can’t speak on that one. I’d also point out that, since he’s in shorts, the photo was probably not taken at a sauna (although some garotos do wear shorts, it’s less common).

Usually overnight rate plus off fee should be the standard. I did exactly that with a jupiter guy, but only for 3 night trip. Since bars now only open during weekend, maybe off fee can be discounted? U probably can discuss with your boy if u wanted to.

It's really hard to give you advice because the boy is popular and he might demand long term fee that will compensate his loss of being absent 10 working days from his bar you must discuss this issue in advance directly with him to avoid misunderstanding and unrealistic expectations from the boy. In my last trip on February I took freelance Vietnamese boy to 8 nights trip for 3000 Bht a day but I didn't negotiate with him it was a 'take it or leave it' offer which he accepted.

It does not seem to be Thermas decor, but who knows. But I am with @Riobard, if you have the guy social media, why you do not ask him instead of us, @Alaskabear? The place is open, despite the negative predictions some GPs gave me two Decembers ago. https://www.facebook.com/thermasclub13Salvador/

Yeah it is one of best sex clubs in Europe . . .

Yes it is strange the rates for the boys remain the same more or less ( however rates of the bar fees had been doubled) but the rates girls charge currently had been doubled/tripled over the years, Can't explain it...

The more accurate test is swab test aka pcr lab test. But that requires time to get the result, and not cheap. Rapid test kit have a lower accuracy but cheap and fast, thus being used more widely.

Yes that is the sad true from my experience too once you are generous instead of being grateful the boys interparate it as weakenss and become greedy, if you like a boy and want him on regular basis it's better pay the same standard fee on every session this make things easier with less complicated.

He is so my type.

Then you probably need to block/ban that mamasan too lol poor guy losing good customer because the mamasan greed.

I blocked him. I was disappointed as I know what he makes at his bar and I paid him much more than that. Sometimes being too nice opens you up to this. I take partial responsibility in I was overly generous. #1 is future love/BF/husband material. For the other one, a rephrase would have been good. But, when I first read it I thought he hear I booked a stay in Hua Hin and wondered how he knew. LOL Then, I saw the same pattern I see in others. I know what happened. His mamasan told him to ask for more money. It was 6AM and he had not slept at all. But, I did not want that to be one of the first things he asked for.

I wonder which one is number 1 and which is number 2 lol. If number 2 rephrase the question to "i want to go to the sea this week, can you go with me?", he probably will get money too, for obvious reason hehe

thank you. I hope too but I decided it's better not expect to much for opening soon .Nice surprise is much better than bitter disappointment

Nope Thailand for sure. At least that is what he said. But, he also said 27 and then later said 33. So, take it all for what it is worth.

and to it's own starving masses

I wonder if the tawan guy is from laos? If yes, then i might know him as well.

Thailand has to open its borders. Everyone understands that. There is an increasing number of state of sexual emergencies abroad, which can only be healed in Thailand. Thailand must take seriously its responsibility towards international community.

Thanks for the interesting reports, @numazu1. I enjoy reading them and especially appreciate that you put some space in between paragraphs. That makes them easier for me to read.

The Assembly line of fucks I got another opportunity to check out Espaco Lagoa before heading to southern Brazil with the BF. It was a somewhat chilly day in Sao Paulo, but I was lucky to have skipped the cold temps that visited the city days before. Still, it was still cool weather, so I decided to visit the Frei Caneca shopping mall to have a cup of coffee. The good thing about the Frei Caneca shopping mall is that it is pretty close to Espaco Lagoa. There is probably a reason for the closeness. The walk from the mall to the sauna, you will encounter the unofficial gay street of Rua Frei Caneca, the gay hotel, and other gay locations. So its always an interesting time to see the patrons of this mall. You will see various gay people loitering, checking each other out. No surprise that when I open Grindr, it lit up like a Christmas tree with hits. I settled with my cup of coffee, subtly checking out a guy across from me, who I saw on Grindr (51 feet away!) while enjoying my cup of coffee: After my coffee, I let @floridarob know that I was going to the sauna. It was almost 6 PM, so I would think it was prime time to wrap it up and head to Lagoa. At the sauna, I see @floridarob already seated and enjoying his drinks. I get another cup of coffee, and I remarked that this was the 3rd continent that I’ve seen him in. After some gossip, and acknowledging what big world-traveling sluts we both were, I start my hunt in earnest. It was pretty busy in the main bar area. The public showers were opened up and all the tables were occupied. It was Sunday, karaoke night, so it was hard to have a decent conversation from all the loud singing, unless if you were up close and personal with the person you were talking to. So I had to leave the area if I was going to catch anything I wanted. At first, I was not finding anything, or I was hesitant in approaching with all the activity in the bar. Programa #1: The Wily Veteran But in the corner of my eye, by the entrance near the stage, was an interesting blonde and blue eyed guy, as white as can be, that stood out from everyone. No one was in towels (COVID), but he went one better: he was wearing a nice shirt and pants. I quickly excuse myself and chase after the guy. I go to the hallway to assess his hotness. Paulistano. 26 years old. He took off his mask while he was talking, which helped because it sealed the deal. He looked more German than Brazilian, but his Paulista accent gave him away. We get a suite (always) and got to our room. Wow, this place is so clean and more put together than Point 202. It is not hard to do. And they had towels and flip flops carefully packed in plastic for use. So hygienic. He quickly disrobes and plops himself on the bed. I join him clothed, and he quickly disrobes me. With me naked, he tells me “much better,” and gives me a kiss. That was when I realized that I forgot to ask him the requisite questions: does he kiss? Top or bottom? How much? That never happens to me, I usually do my due diligence before commiting, but no time like the present to ask. I know he does kiss, he says he is versatile, and the usual 150 for the programa, or 200 with cum. He delivered in all respects. Fairly passionate, and had an amazing ass. I had him pose for me, squatting with his ass in the air. Perfect. I’m not a super top, but this guy did it for me in the moment. The pale, smooth skin helped, and it came with a smooth ass. He sat on me, and I came really quickly. It took a while for him to cum tho, as he said it was hard to cum after getting fucked. Afterwards we talked for a bit. He has been doing sauna work for a while, and even did a stint in European saunas. Took a break and was back in the business. Saving up money for a trip back to Europe, when it opens up, and beefing up in the process for more exacting European clientele. He certainly knows what he’s got. No doubt he earns a lot of money. I don’t know how long I was away, but going back to @floridarob, it seemed like an eternity. He told me I act fast, just disappearing and doing the programa. “I know what I like and I go for it,” I say. I get a cocktail. I think I was seated in the perfect spot in the bar area at Espaco Lagoa. We were seated close to the door, and my seat was angled such that I was facing the door and can see who came and went, while having a view of the stage. Understandably I would miss some of the public shower guys who would entice customers with their third legs, but until I grow a third eye in the back of my head, I’d choose to be facing where the guys came and went. Programa #2: The Casual Passers-by The current location of Espaco Lagoa is both a blessing and a curse. It is so much more central, located in the Frei Caneca, and close enough to Paulista and Bela Vista. The bad thing about it is, any casual guy can just stop by and try to sell their wares. In the old location, it was more or less more residential, and you actually had to want to be there in order to be at the sauna, and not just casually drop by on the way somewhere else. So I find that there are more casual GPs than the usual, career quality GPs, in this location, that in the old location. I noticed a fresh batch of guys come in, milling about. They were just in the periphery and not going in the main area. They were fully dressed, like everyone, but not smartly as to accentuate any of their body parts, like the career GPs. They probably just wandered off from the street over to see if they can score a few reais. Two of them were nice looking. The shorter one was more muscular, was looking more like a brute, and his biceps were bulging out of his shirt. The taller one was tall indeed, more lanky, but had a very pretty face. I’ve never seen them before. Probably their first time here. After trading more gossip with @floridarob, I see the shorter one making eyes with me. I made eyes back. He took off his mask and smiled at me. I looked at his friend and his friend was being felt up by another customer. A few more minutes roll by, and the guy kept making eyes, but would never approach or even enter the bar area. After finishing my drink, I make a decision, and tell @floridarob I will be back. I lock eyes on the shorter one, and we congregate in the hall. I motion to the taller one to also come so I can inspect both. After introductions, the shorter one was trying to sell himself, with descriptions of what we would do together and such. The taller one was way more shy, just standing there. He was gorgeous tho, brown hair and green eyes. Such a killer combo. I ask them if they were friends and went here together. They both said yes. I asked them how much. 150 for each. I ask them what they did. Only tops but passionate. I can work with that. I told them I want to get a room. The shorter one asks: “which one?” I tell them, both of you, of course. The taller one smiles, as if to say: “really?” Is that OK? The shorter one says, “of course!” So we get a suite and the two tail me as I lock the door behind me. We started with just standing there. Obviously this was a bit manufactured, nothing organic about it. I started to break the ice by asking a few questions. They’ve been friends for a long time. It was the taller guy’s first time here, and didn’t really know what to do here. It was the shorter one’s second time, and I was his second customer as well. The taller one was nervous, maybe unsure he wanted to do it. I ask if they have seen each other naked before. “Not totally,” the shorter one answers. I laugh. Everyone laughs. “So what will we do now?” I ask. The shorter one takes command, and asks the taller one to undress. He takes off his shirt. The shorter one unbuttons the taller one’s pants. His briefs appear through his opened zipper. I take it further by pulling down his pants. He is just in his underwear. The shorter one disrobes to his briefs as well. I do as well. And then the shorter instructs the other to start kissing me. After some hesitation, he does. I take a hand to his groin. Big boy. He make it grow. We were off to the races. The shorter one turned to be fairly dominant, and the taller one passionate. It worked out, somehow weirdly. Both came on my chest, while towering over me on the bed. It was somewhat an awkward encounter. It’s kind of what you expect from just casual passers-by I guess. Programa #3: The Reason Why I’m Here Getting back to @floridarob, I realized that I’ve already came with three different people in a span of 1.5 hours, and floridarob was just getting started. I guess my speed is really fast. We both notice a nice looking moreno in the public shower, and he had the perfect pair of (1) giant cock and (2) nice round ass. @floridarobnoticed him too and commented on him being nice looking. When the toweled off and got out of the shower, I quickly motion to him to sit down with us so at least @floridarob had some company. All three of us soon got to laughing and joking, mostly about how much of a slut I was. Fair enough. I see someone in the corner of my eye again. Uh oh. He was a beautiful moreno. Nice facial hair. Prerry face. Wearing a tight t-shirt and tight jeans. He filled those nicely. There was something about him that just draws one to him. Something magnetic. Of course I acted fast, as I do. I bid both goodbye for now and headed for him. When we were in the hallway, he takes of his mask and smiles this million watt smile. He introduces himself. A Carioca, of course. I journey all this way to Sao Paulo to be hooked by another Carioca. He talks to me in a whisper, and he draws me close so he can hear me. I press my hands on his shoulders, and his back. Big broad shoulders, hard sinewy back. We settle on 150, or 200 if he cums. I couldn’t say no. I was impressed by how he carried himself. In the room we both sit on the bed and he takes my hand and caresses it. We talk for a minute. His deep voice was soothing. He takes off his clothes, even underwear. He wanted me to see. Big thighs, big plump ass, and of course, hung like no other. He kisses me deeply. And soon I was naked myself. Damn, this was a good start. After some hot foreplay he asks me what I liked. I said since he was just a top, that I couldn’t take his length and girth, since he was pretty big. He said fine, and we did more foreplay. After getting hot and heavy and him rimming me, he takes the condom and lube and started to sheath himself. I laughed. I reminded him that I didn’t want to take him. He said he understood, but he was just going to “show me something.” Fine. What could happen, right? We did more foreplay. He got me really warmed up. And then he started to put it in. Slow. While working on me. Got me relaxed. Put it in more. More working on me. I got even more relaxed. Until he was all in. Until he was able to get a rhythm in. Until he pulled out and fed me his cock to explode in my mouth. Well that was amazing and unexpected, and simply mesmerizing. When you hire someone, they will do what you tell them to do, since you are paying and you callall the shots. It’s something else when you pay someone to do what you want, but they know what you actually want more than you did. I am rarely surprised anymore in these situations, sadly, but this programa was indeed a surprise. We shower together. We get dressed. Before we left, I tell him that he had something unique, something that was hard to come by in the sauna, and he had something that just can’t be replicated anywhere. He smiles that million watt smile again, and told me he has heard this from others before. I give him my phone, to get his Whatsapp. I’ve met 4 guys in the sauna today, and this was the first guy I wanted to get a second meeting. I emerge from the programa. I tell @floridarobI had to run, as the BF was awake and waiting for me. Not bad for a 3 hour stay in Espaco Lagoa.

@numazu1, your favorite hunting field is reopening.

Interesting. I have to think that many of those who seek to use the 25th amendment are not thinking ahead. If this is used as a "coup" to usurp the President, what is stopping future adventures? Not much. Best regards, RA1

I agree with most everything you say. However, let’s be clear: many of the American and European travelers aren’t making $100,000 USD / EUR a year. But your point still stands.

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