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Since I left Bangkok in the second week of March, my thinking about this has evolved a lot. I wore a facemask for the first time during my taxi ride to the airport and on the flights home (more out of courtesy to the flight attendants than worries of contracting the virus). But fast forward about 10 days, I began to view things differently after seeing it ravage through Italy. And a few weeks later, when it began to explode in New York, the impending doom was obvious. I had intended to return to BKK in June but those flights have of course been cancelled. And although I still plan to make it back as soon as it’s feasible, this conversation has me thinking about my expectations. The biggest reason is to meet up with my regular guy who I’ve been with going on three years now. Everything else comes in a distant second. But I freely admit I’ve come to really enjoy the atmosphere of Patpong 2. The vibe is great and possibilities are endless. And when I return, whenever that might be, I hope to spend a lot of time there. But when I think about what it may be like I get a bit apprehensive. I have no problem wearing a mask on the street but if they’re required in the bars or massage shops, I’d be inclined to take a pass. The workers have every right to expect customers—particularly foreigners--to wear one because we pose the greatest threat to them. And with at least a third asymptomatic, there’s absolutely no way to know one’s status for sure unless they’ve had a diagnostic or antibody test. We have an obligation to respect the the well being of others and if that means I go without some of the finer experiences I've come to enjoy then it's the price I'm willing to pay, As others have mentioned, finding guys you’ve known from the past may turn out to be the prudent way to go. It doesn’t eliminate the risks for ether party; it simply diminishes the odds. Maybe a vaccine will set things back to normal (not the new normal), or as some predict maybe just time itself will resolve the matter. If someone said three months ago that we’d be discussing matters of ethics and moral philosophy here, few would have believed it. Back then the biggest item on the board was whether of not Babe would return to Moonlight. Those were the days.

I receive texts and some photos from some of the Vietnamese boys I've known for many years. They are home safely, it appears that they have work that does not compensate like the bars/massage shops. No one seems in a hurry to go back to Bangkok. They want to know if I'm ok because they news they receive is of how large a number of cases and deaths there are in the USA. It's a matter of perspective. Last week, United and ANA each offered me round trip airfares of less than $400 for anytime, but Christmas, between now and March. Tempting...but I try to be a realistic optimist (written as I'm enter week 11 of quarantine in the Bay Area). I am of an age that both puts me at heightened statistical risk today and allows me to remember being in Bangkok in the 80s. Condoms were available but usually I had to ask. I share the other posters desire to return as soon as there is opportunity and some sense of safety. Back at the end of last year, Reader and I thought we'd meet up later this November and enjoy the delights of Patpong 2. I thought that I might catch up with Vinapu this summer. (Note: Vinapu, monastery is not a good idea, as several in the US have had massive covid outbreaks). I live in Berkeley, it is a science hub, and the scientists I talk to remark on the amount of funding being channelled to finding a vaccine. Lawrence Berkeley Lab, famed for deep learning programming as well as nuclear research has redirected much of its research capability to combating covid.. Vaccines take a long time and billions of doses are required if one or more is developed. Invest in the manufacturers. A long-time friend is the head of science for a Beijing based Chinese pharma company. He told me yesterday that he and his team are focusing not on a vaccine but at drugs that would minimize symptoms - he noted that there is still no vaccine for HIV or SARS but there are medications that limit the damage potentially making the effects of the virus benign. He said many other firms are doing the same. Canada today announced successful results from a trial with ferrets, President Trump is no longer taking the lupus drug, bleach sales are holding steady, the drug companies seem to allow their early positive results get out to the world which seems to cause their market value to jump and then fall back when the trial only involved a dozen subjects. So, to sum up, I, along with the rest of us, can only wait and ,when the waiting is ending, weigh our options as to risk and reward. Reader mentions he booked a haircut, I'm still weeks away from barbers reopening here. Luckily, I have very little hair. Reader can speak for himself on the subject. And, being very bored in quarantine, I now and then wonder how Numazu is doing as was deciding between Bangkok and Brazil for April... Be well and stay well everyone.

The Pope says to Trump, “Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, like that of your followers, but go deep into their hearts and for the rest of their lives whenever they speak of this day, they will rejoice!” Trump replies, “I seriously doubt that, with one wave of your hand? Show me!” So the Pope slapped him.

And the long-term consequences of the disease are only just beginning to be studied, and there are a lot of depressing reports about that. The people who think it can't affect them or that it's "just like the flu" are the ones who can become super-spreaders. That's true for both customers and sex workers. And, what the local guys seem to grasp more readily than many others is that it's not just about them, it's about the 10 people that they can infect, and so on. I think that's something that is more natural for the local guys to be aware of because of the long-standing culture of wearing a mask -- to protect other people when you might not be feeling well. Sadly, many Americans don't seem to be able to grasp this. (I won't comment on other nationalities.) When the tourists return, it is inevitable that some people with COVID-19 will get into the country. Probably the same will be true for guys coming back from the provinces or the surrounding countries to work in the bars, etc. I don't think anyone doubts that. The hope is that with rigorous screening and contact tracing if cases do arise, the numbers can be kept low. It's also up to everyone to do his little bit to help. But Thailand is not going to be a COVID-19-free bubble. Admittedly, I have no idea how it's all going to work out practically. Easy to provide fresh clean sheets and towels (and wash them after any guest leaves). Will the scent of disinfectant start becoming something I associate with a sexual romp? Should we all get those temp. reading guns and check each other for fevers before getting naked? Even if a guy has brushed his teeth and used mouthwash, I swear I can usually taste the pad krapao he had for dinner, so I'm not so much a fan of kissing. Easy to give that up. My favorite sexual position(s) don't involve face-to-face, so that's a win for me. If someone tells me we have to wear masks, well - if all those doctor visit fantasy porn or strangely-alluring porn vids of twinks having sex wearing dog masks have taught me anything, it's that it's still possible to have a good time with a mask. I'm an open-minded chap and willing to learn. [I truly hope it doesn't come to that.]. I wonder if the blow-job bars will install plastic partitions, or will glory holes become the newest old thing? I can't decide whether a brothel bar or massage shop is likely to be safer than some random guy off of hornet. The better massage shops I expect will have pretty serious cleaning regimens, but higher volume, of course. I expect shops and the bars will be screening for temperature and keeping an eye on the health of the guys who work there.

Almost all sexual activity requires intimacy of sorts and lays every one involved open to a level of risk. That has always been the case; from the risk of transmitting the common cold, to any number of sexually transmitted diseases including HIV. Now we have to add Corvid19 to that list. We were all prepared to face those risks before Corvid19; showers, mouth-wash and condoms notwithstanding. Once this initial surge of the virus subsides, even though the virus will remain potentially active within populations, will those risks be sunstantially greater? Boys in need of money will absorb those risks I am sure; at least most probably will, so it seems to me more of a question of will we absorb those same risks? Of far greater concern, for me at least, will be the risk of the flights and their re-circulated air, and prolonged close proximity to hundreds of other passengers - I think that will determine when I next try and visit Pattaya, rather than what happens when I get there.

White Woman Calls Police on Black Bird Watcher in Central Park Video of the incident touched off intense discussions about the history of black people being falsely reported to the police. I'm so glad this white, privileged CUNT was caught on camera and is now being publicly shamed. So glad this story ended up on the Times' Home Page. So glad her business ended up firing her sorry ass. Dog owners who think they are above the law DESERVE to be jailed. I have no sympathy for this cunt, and the fact that she used this opportunity to accuse the Black complaining man of wrongdoing makes me absolutely unwilling to accept her apology. IMO, her apology is fake. Too bad it takes a camera to expose these ASSHOLES among us, but thank God we carry cameras that give us a chance to capture and reveal their evil ways.

Look at me, opening a thread about Brazil in the Politics forum. I thought it was appropriate in order to have a different kind of conversation about our beloved sex paradise. I wanted to share this article written by Eric Nepomuceno and published in Argentina: Brasil: rumbo al fondo del pozo It is published in Spanish but very well written, I think Google Translate will do well for those who don't read Cervantes' language. If the author is right, we will have topics to discuss others than Covid 19 and the GPs. I hope @likeohmygod comes bock from his auto exile, it would be great to have a reporter residing in the middle of the events. He is the only one who I know is living down there. More reports written by Nepomuceno and published in Pagina 12.

I personally try to avoid using sexist insults when talking about people like Amy Cooper. But I am happy that she got fired today, and I hope she gets charged with filing a false report at least. sometimes the internet gets it right. And this on the very day 4 cops murdered another black man in cold blood. It makes your blood boil.

From the BBC Elephants on 'great migration' to survive coronavirus starvation With the collapse of the tourism industry due to coronavirus, many of Thailand's captive elephants are now at risk of starvation. BBC Thai follows one group of elephant keepers journeying into the mountains to find food. Continues with video https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-52780258/thailand-elephants-on-great-migration-to-survive-coronavirus-starvation

Got that haircut today (first since leaving BKK) and I think the barber got more off my ears and eyebrows than he did off my scalp.

All of this temptations because the businesses needed cash money to stay afloat. Id be wary to buy anything this early, as some businesses might not even there anymore by the time you can travel to honor your booking. And chance of refund in bankruptcy is pretty slim. On the other hand, if you believe in the businesses and want to support them in time of crisis, buying their early vouchers might help them stay afloat too. Just hope enough people will buy the vouchers so that the businesses will still survive once travel is allowed. To be honest, i doubt the hotel will charge high rate anyway even when we are allowed to travel. Itll take some times for the amount of tourists visiting to come back to normal level and businesses will have to compete to get customers from a much smaller pool.

Gosh, you got through six episodes only to "crash" during the last one, the 7th. Is it so hard to imagine an Oscars that treated gays equally, even if only part of a fantasy on Netflix? What's so wrong about that? The show was never advertised as an historical documentary. Can we never broadcast a "what might have been" version? I thought fiction did that all of the time.

An interesting point. When Brazil was staging circuses like the World Cup and the Olympics I recall there was a major backlash with rational people arguing the money should have been spent on education and more importantly its apparently decrepit hospital system. With this system now stretched to its limit and beyond Brazil is not a country to get sick. Something to consider.

At this point, I would be nervous to even be on a plane. Get sick where I'm going or worse being stuck there. I had a minor ailment in Brasil last year and it was not easy to get help.

All that talk is depressing and I'm thinking about becoming a monk or something. Or perhaps next trip will be just sightseeing?

Beautiful photo in that it captures what is happening to so many right now.

He's hot and miserable, so he decides to take action. The A/C has been busted for a long time, so he fixes it. Things cool down quickly. The moving walkway motor is jammed, so he unjams it. People can get from place to place more easily. The TV was grainy and unclear, so he fixes the connection to the satellite dish, and now they get hundreds of high def channels. One day, God decides to look down on Hell to see how his grand design is working out and notices that everyone is happy and enjoying umbrella drinks. He asks the Devil what's up? The Devil says, "Things are great down here since you sent us an engineer." "What?" says God. "An engineer? I didn't send you one of those. That must have been a mistake. Send him upstairs immediately." The Devil responds, "No way. We want to keep our engineer. We like him." God demands, "If you don't send him to me immediately, I'll sue!" The Devil laughs. "Where are you going to get a lawyer?"

I agree. Each person will have to make really hard decisions about how he assesses the risks of travel and what to do and how at the time, especially in light of his own risk "profile." I suppose the main point is that we should also respect each other person's decisions regarding that - including the sex workers - and not try to pressure them or dismiss their concerns. So it's a just another little thing to be thoughtful of. That's all.

If you liked Hollywood or if you didn't like it because it is not real you should try to read "Full Service" by Scotty Bowers. Scotty was the inspiration behind Ernie in the show. The book is nice, a bit shocking, but a interesting view of the sexuality and "trick" market of the 50's.

Who knows how the pandemic will evolve. If international traveling is still too adventurous by April 2021, I may have my second PSWE experience. For sure rather than planning for fancy La Hacienda, I would go to kinky Cannon Club. Side note, this is what drives me the craziest. It is not the isolation, it is not the confinement, but the uncertainty. I like having my next couple of years drafted in my imagination. Impossible now.

I will agree that the best approach is to simply say upfront, “eu pago x reais” (I pay x BrazilIan dollars), and don’t ASK the garoto “quanto custa?” (how much?). If you’re in the “going-rate” range, if you’re not some smelly hideous ogre, and if you’re not asking for some crazy deviant sexual shit, then 9 times out of 10, you’ll get a yes. For that other 1 out of 10 that counteroffers with a higher price that you just don’t want to pay, you can simply walk away — there will be no hard feelings if you didn’t take up too much of the garoto’s time. Sometimes the garoto will just walk away himself! Sometimes they return to you for your original asking price. If you do choose to pay the higher price, I would suggest ONLY doing this in those rare cases that this certain garoto is an absolute must-have, never-to-be-experienced-again type that is every dream for you. But newsflash: there’s one like that around every corner in Rio, so you should not be afraid to simply say “no thanks” or “maybe later”, and just walk away. And in follow-up meetings with a garoto you’ve been with in the past, it never hurts to repeat before the programa is booked, “x reais”, so that there’s no misunderstanding (or if it’s been quite a while since your last visit, and his prices might have gone up). But if you’re a first-timer and you’re only going to be in Brazil for a few days, and won’t experience it again (or for years to come), then I’m not going to tell you to let a 50 reais price differential cause you to miss out on your dream garoto that you may never see again. That’s your judgment call to make at the time. I know if I were ever in that position (which admittedly, would have been a long time ago!), I would choose the experience with the man of my sexual and physical dreams over a few dollars price differential — but that’s for each person to decide.

I can and they would love doing it, but I am not into it. They will pay me back some day.

Bogota (pop. 7.5 million) is very high up in the Andes and is always foggy, damp and cool. The native population is Inca. But it's also a huge modern European-type city and costs twice as much as Medellin for everything. It also has a huge gay area that Medellin does not. They vacation often in Medellin and everyone in Bogota will tell you how beautiful Medellin is and how good-looking and friendly the people are there. Medellin (pop. 2 million) is in a always-sunny valley and has flowers and vacation hotels everywhere. The people are mostly European Spanish stock with a little mix. They are extremely friendly and healthy and Medellin is a festive city. There is no clear gay area but several gay clubs and there is a small block of hustler bars downtown, and Club Tobi. a beautiful sauna, which has "no holes barred" masseurs for $18. I had excellent experiences at Tobi but later reviewers said the quality of the masseurs declined. Many latin Chaterbate rooms are really in Medellin and it's good to make contacts before going there. Although many guys are receptive they're hard to find. The ones in the hustler bars are the only ugly guys in Medellin. Cali (pop. 2.5 million) is Pacific coast but I've never been.

Hey gang, I only just became aware of this site but wanted to update the information here. Regular visitor to Colombia, I spend 2 months in my second home each year. While this list is by no means exhaustive, here are some updates for those of you looking for paid "company" in Colombia for the major cities. You can always find up to date listings for paid accompanyment on Milerotics website at https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/. You will need to know both the state and city name to use the search tool. For the major cities, here are some updates: Bogota Angel’s Naked Campus Party - Twitter @AngelsNParty - Late night parties, younger crowd, orgies - Monthly events at a location in central Bogota - cost is 25,000COP - Must apply to be a member/be approved to take part St. Moritz Spa Cl. 65 # a 13 - Two floors of sauna, turco, jacuzzi, mazes - Massages on main floor, masajistas hang out by the bar - Usually 4-5 working during a shift; shift change typically happen between 5-6pm - Negotiate with masajista whether you want a masaje relejante or “full”. If you want penetration you must state that (or likewise if you want to top). This will determine the final price. Dagoas Spa Cl. 59 ## 9-34 - close to the famous Theatron club; open 24 hours from Friday to Sunday - no longer offers sexual massage services according to website (Feb 2020). Many of the attendants offer their services on Grindr or Milerotics Gigolo’s House Strip Club - Upstairs form St. Moritz Spa (Third Floor) - Only open on Friday and Saturday; live sex show most Friday’s - Very small private curtain areas for private dances - Private dances for 50,000 – 80,000 COP – negotiate with dancer first - pay dancer directly - Most dancers are available for private session; will offer their WhatsApp contact; ask and the Maitre D will help you secure the dancers of your choice (or let you know which are off limits) Chapinero Casa de Chicos Calle 66 15-42 WhatsApp +57 3057512990 - Must call ahead for booking time - at least 1 hour notice - Up to 10 boys available at any time; massage, erotic massage, trios, quadruple available - Costs range from 130,000 COP to 220,000 COP plus tip to attendants; tips should be 10% of fee - Will send location info plus overview of boys available via WhatApp Medellín Club de Tobi Calle Cl. 47 #43-88, Medellín, Antioquia, Colombia - Facebook https://www.facebook.com/saunaclubdetobimedellin/?modal=admin_todo_tour - Masajes 60,000 - 90,000COP from menu + tip - Best looking masajistas in Medellin; there can be a wait to get the one you want - Most masajistas finish their shift by 8pm; busiest from 6 - 8pm Club 55 Calle. 55 ##45-44 - offer few masajistas per shift; can be hit or miss Ferchos Masajes Calle 58. 42-5, Medellin WhatsApp +57 312 2717925 - Open 6pm – 2am; later on weekends - Use WhatsApp and they will send “menu” - Boys work in shifts; busiest on weekends - Can drop in for beer and check out the boys in advance; let them know what you are looking for and they may call in specific boys Sillon Rojo Club Av. 33 ##65b-22, Medellín, Antioquia - Gay sex club; featuring live performances and sex parties on Thursdays (in Laureles) - Free condoms and lube, - Check schedule for events; Bears, twinks, interracial are some recent examples Cali Metropolis Club de Hombres Cl. 22 Nte. ##2N 50 - Open air bathouse/sauna next door to swingers club - Massage attendants available on weekends (Fri – Sun) until 8pm, they hang out by massage room on second floor - Cost is 60,000 to 100,000 COP depending on service (masaje relejante o masaje sensual) Cartagena Le Petit Calle Cabal, Cra. 6 #32-34 - Late night (after midnight) bar and dance club - Many working boys, particularly those from Venezuela Gabanna Club Calle Cabal, Cra. 6 #32-34 - Check the events published to Instagram and Twitter - @gabannaclubcartagena - Serves the black gay population; be respectful please - Offers darkroom, labyrinth, massage services - Massage services purchased from bar (50,000 COP - 100,000 COP) plus a minimum tip to masajista of 30,000 COP - Once a month presents live sex shows; these can be interactive, good opportunity to connect with boys open to providing services ------- Hope that is useful for anyone looking to explore Colombia. My experiences have been almost entirely positive in this beautiful country. Enjoy! I will look to see if I have recent sample photos from Ferches and Casa de los Chicos to share. MacK

Strange to see strippers with mask in saunas in Rio. But they do remove underwear at the end of the show :-))

Carnaval in Rio is really amazing ... I did not realize that there are so many street events ("blocos"). The atmosphere is that of supporters after a soccer game in which their team won the game : jokes, drinks, fun ... but it is in the whole city and during 5 days ! And it is sexy as hell. Lots of good looking boys, wearing only a short skirt and having fun. Many blocos are gay or gay friendly (or is it the ones I went to ?). The bloco of Carmelitas started the ceremonies on friday at 1 pm in Santa Teresa. Saturday, starting at 7 am there was the bloco of amigos da onça (friends of jaguar) on the Flamengo beach. A very good one. Perfect for eye candy. Lots of young men (and women of course) in various stages of undress. Lots of drinks and so many beach vendors. Uninterrupted long line of men pissing in front of the sea or in front of Aterro ... Many couples deep tongue kissing everywhere. There are the couples who came together of course but also boys stopping in front of girls or boys they do not know but like and starting to deep tongue kissing as though the world was soon over. Mainly locals in Flamengo ie very few tourists only coming in small groups with a guide and grabbing their cameras as if they were sure to be robbed soon. 5 pm in Ipanema for Banda de Ipanema. A very famous group active since 50 years. Under rain at the beginning. Many many tourists there of course who attract a lot of pickpockets and boys from favelas. Extreme caution is needed there. Even when I came back at my olace in Botafogo was a local bloco ("pinta mas nao borra") in the streets !

I have been to Carnival several times and always enjoyed it. Good that you are staying close to the metro as it is open 24hours during the days of Carnival and it is a great way to get around during Carnival. Uber and taxi's are still available but there are frequent road closures and traffic jams so metro is the way to go if possible. For the Sambadrome there is a gay party on Friday night in a private box with open bar and a front row view of the parade. It's great to be right up front and to be able to go inside the private box to get out of the rain if it starts. Tickets are cheaper when bought months in advance but you can still buy them online here. https://www.candybox.com.br If you buy tickets you need to go pick them up in advance at their location in Ipanema. For other nights in the Sambadrome you will probably be somewhere in the stands which is certainly enjoyable but nothing like a front row view. For other nights you can generally buy tickets from various online ticket sellers. A couple of times I even bought tickets for the stands from scalpers outside the Sambadrome at a not too inflated price. Make sure you ride the metro to the Sambadrome as taxi's cannot even drop off or pick up close to there. There are street parties everywhere called bloccos and the theme changes. One fun one I went to was the neon themed party that they have every year. The location changes every year so for bloccos ask some locals if they can help you find out where the best parties are every night. The big club The Week is busy during Carnival with Circuit type events but most of my friends in Rio avoid it during Carnival as there are so many free alternatives on the streets. I usually still go there at some point during Carnival and it is fun. Needless to say watch your phone and wallet during Carnival in the crowds. Even my very savvy friend who has grown up in Rio has lost his phone during carnival. I have seen many fights and even been tear gassed during Carnival--especially in the later days of the celebration. Best to get away from the crowd at the first sign of any problem. Saunas are busy and fun. I am sure you will enjoy Carnival--or at least parts of it. Make sure to report back!

Bogota One night stopover. Stayed in hotel 100 m from Gigolo Erotic House. Clean. A bit noisy. Very cute lad at reception. Not Hilton but sufficient when you arrive in the afternoon and leave very early next day. And cheap ... 69000 COP around 23 USD (3000 COP = 1 USD). Following Numazu s pieces of advice, I decided to go only to Gigolo House and not also to Teatron. I arrived around 8.30 pm. Boys arrive around that time also and change in the room. They only wear jock straps. That night there were around 30 boys of very different types. Many twinks. A few hunks. Striking difference between Brazil : boys are shorter including dickwise and do not have so many tattoes in general. Boys walk around the room and chat with customers (spanish only of course). They try to convince customers to take them to backrooms. There are only 2 backrooms which are in fact a very small place with only a chair. A curtain separates the mainroom from backroom which is in fact just a corner of the main room. Cost of dances in backroom is 50.000 COP (around 15 USD). This is for 20 minutes. Boys remove jock strap from beginning and do what you want. It is better to agree in advance but not compulsory. Fucking is 100.000 COP (30 USD). The curtain is not thick and at least from one backroom you can see all that happens in the room and vice versa I guess. 5 boys at a time dance on stage. Around 11 pm and then regularly in the night there are hardcore shows ie one boy coming on stage with a hard on and then displaying his tool that customers can touch or even play with for a tip. The performer passes in the room after the show to get tips from the audience. Life sex show around 1 am. Threesomes on Fridays. No guarantee of type and time of shows in fact : when I arrive, no one could confirm there would be a life show that night. Went with a few boys in the backroom and had some fun (cuddling) with some of them in the main room. A few guys were from Venezuela including a very good looking guy who was also masseur in Sauna saint Morritz where you can get more than a massage. Great time in this place. Worth a repeat. When I went from the hotel to Gigolo house around 8.30 pm there were almost no one in the streets but surprinsingly at 1.30 am there were people walking by, one restaurant was still open. Safe return to the hotel. Taxi hotel Airport : 20 minutes. 10 USD Drinks in Gigolo House cheat 2.5 USD the beer. Many contacts on Grindr including a guy from Medellin who stayed at same hotel and also went to Gigolo House. Too short a stay. Worth a longer visit to explore more.

Thanks !

I mostly try to avoid comments that may appear sexist, too, especially when in the company of women. That's the beauty of being anonymous on the internet. We can speak our mind as we see fit, without any personal danger and wackjob retribution. I find "speaking the mind" very therapeutic. I hope the beauty never goes away. I happen to love the word CUNT. It possesses such power like few words can. And I don't always view the word as sexist. Context matters. The word is perfect to describe certain people in particular situations. Hence, the use of it here. No apologies and no retractions. Amy Cooper can go fuck herself.