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Good luck trying to understand ANYTHING he says...Gave that shit up and just blocked/ignored him...wish I would have done is months ago...

@Riobard, I’m trying to understand this, and make it make sense for anyone who attempts to read it. A simple “yes “ or “no” to the following question will do: Are you booking programas in the saunas with garotos for longer periods (like 90 minutes, for example), and agreeing in advance to a rate that is about 50 - 80 reais for every 30 minutes? Yes, or no?

Toxic people are toxic. Maybe if more of them injected lysol we'd all be better off.

yes , if there are any on duty which is not guaranteed

Maybe a closeted politician that we'll read about his airport bathroom antics someday....

Finished session 2! Yep, I agree @TotallyOz, S1 is better. S3 is still not in Netflix. I started watching another series, from Amazon Prime: Counterpart. It is a very well written and acted sci fi thriller. Thirty years ago, an experiment caused the creation of a parallel reality. Both Universes share the same history until the 30 years ago event, when the timelines became independent. So far, after watching the first episodes of season 1, I am loving it.

I was making the Darwin jokes when some Christians were calling to gather to worship, but then I read the numbers. When I saw that COVID-19 is taking a disproportionate toll from Blacks and other economically disadvantaged minorities, I stopped.

Quick question since it seems to be a HOT topic? Who is actually in or headed to Brazil to enjoy the favorable exchange rate? Nobody... While the exchange rate is great for every other country besides Brazil....in these crazy times when nobody can actually go and enjoy the country or help share the wealth, this topic went all the way left... We need to all be empathetic to others during these times versus fussing (how it seemed to me) about how much of a deal you can get versus someone else...

That "proudly heterosexual" has posted he is only there to post a conservative agenda in the political forum. Otherwise, he would have no interest. So you right!!

Brazilians use this site Pauleiro: https://cameraprive.com/us/guys

I agree with you, and appreciate your words of friendship... and I do not ever feel attacked by you. Just two things.... the crazy right wing trolls over there - I am not sure how many of them there actually are because it seems highly possible that it may be even fewer than we think and it is one or two persons posting under multiple nicknames the other thing is does it not seem bizarre to you that, of all places, these right wing nut job conspiracy theorists have sought out a board intended for men who seek the paid companionship of other men to advance their marginal views and make life hellish for anyone who disagrees with them? WTF are they even doing there?

You might find the boys in Nature Boys are not so slow or shy

I don't remember if there were other customers. Maybe one or two, as it is never very crowded. But I don't mind that, as long as every customer has a different selection of boys. I don't mind other clients next to me. It could even add up to the fun. In a sauna, you also have others close to you. What hot action happened with three of the boys? Well, it started completely innocent with buying a drink for them, like in any other bar in LOS. Drinks in Golden Cock are very cheap compared to other bars. After that, some kissing. I prefer boys to be shirtless, so some clothing was removed. They did the same to me, so one boy started playing with my nipples. Boys noticed something getting bigger in my pants and they were curious about it. Well, i had the same idea about theirs. When you have 3 boys petting you, it is a great moment. One of the boys was doing very well with his mouth. I left very happy. Of course I paid the drinks and a fee to the bar for the fun inside the bar, comparable to an off fee.

All I can say is "Wow." Someone resurrected at the M4M foums a 5 year-old string (What's Your Earliest "I'm Queer" memory?) in which people were asked to recall when they first realized they were gay (in my case it when I was a 12 year-old in my gym class, admiring the 14 year-old who led us into calisthenics, which I discussed in my 2015 response). The string was locked with the following message: "Thread Closed. It is against the rules to discuss children; even ourselves." So discussing our past is child porn?? I don't think even Justice Thomas or Justice Alito would go that far. I can certainly understand and wholly support banning child pornography. But if the mere mention of children in a non-sexual way is child pornography, so is Mary Poppins. Am I the only person who feels this way, or is the leadership at M4M completely off its rocker?

Honestly, I am shocked! And, I've been around a lot. That is some crazy shit.

Wow. Members have been criticizing presidents for years on that site including George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump. What happened today or, perhaps more important, last Thursday at the Lisol press conference.

It was a simple question, intended for clarification purposes, that only required a one-word yes or no answer.

Haha ... yes/no? It’s a challenge to even answer unequivocally in all cases who is an asshole. What could be more confusing to readers is why somebody might accept rudeness here yet neither tolerate manipulative up-sells from providers nor lock-step on the arbitrary 30-minute programa. Anybody interested in the range of possibilities exclusively within the clubs can always read the thousands of related posts here or DM me if questions about my particular experiences. I had actually provided updated examples in the recent past and a non-troll should be able to put it together. A narrative account sometimes adds value to the spreadsheet or rate-card system. If I were new to this message board I would benefit from reading all the posts, on pain of outrageous repetitiveness, in order to avoid a rigid and narrow approach to transactions. Not so much to learn the exact way each time necessary to avoid toppling the commercial sex economy. There will also naturally be a default overemphasis on financial aspects going forward because there is no sex occurring for the foreseeable future. You will see regular update feed on currency exchanges that are easily accessible elsewhere. ——— For some of you commenting here I would add that you must definitely never, under any circumstance, deviate from the $20 per-song arrangement should you ever substitute or add Montreal strip club visits to your sex tourism. These are my strict bossy-pants orders. The tab accumulates song by song, for example over two hours, about $400 whether it is 4 private sequential dance sessions with 4 different guys or 1 stripper. No games, no exceptions. The model is one song at a time, clarifying the addition of each subsequent track with an assent to continue. Don’t fuck it up. If you later claim to get a deal you are definitely lying.

Lysol, Clorox, ultraviolet radiation; I don't care what the Trump cult members ingest as long as they triple the dose. The perfect ending to this cult.

Just an FYI: If PayPal (founded by the notoriously conservative right-wing gay Peter Thiel) gets wind that you are using their service to exchange money for sex work (which in their eyes, includes webcam with sex acts or j/o involved), then PayPal could suspend both accounts and withhold or delay money transferred. Plenty of examples of this happening; do a Google search. So, proceed with caution with PayPal.

Of course, what else is new? A Rational Anthem by Ambrose Bierce My country, 'tis of thee, Sweet land of felony, Of thee I sing — Land where my fathers fried Young witches and applied Whips to the Quaker's hide And made him spring. My knavish country, thee, Land where the thief is free, Thy laws I love; I love thy thieving bills That tap the people's tills; I love thy mob whose will's All laws above. Let Federal employees And rings rob all they please, The whole year long. Let office-holders make Their piles and judges rake Our coin. For Jesus' sake, Let's all go wrong! https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/rational-anthem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Bierce

No, he is a real person. For better or worse.

I thought that was the job of Russian bots.

M4M? At first I thought that was a massage site. Oh, you meant Daddy's. His board survives through the kindness of donations. That's like driving a car on gas fumes. Maybe his failing IT business is collecting PUA benefits. I'm sure he ran to the government every chance he had with his hand out. What can anyone expect from an owner who is deathly afraid of any scrutiny from the Feds? Daddy can't afford a parking ticket. He's essentially running an escort site in the U.S. and he doesn't want "child" or "children" appearing among his search data. Makes perfect sense to me.

Know any other sites whose lives depend on participation, then the mod bans one after another after another poster?

There are. Many guys are selling videos/shows now due to everything that is happening. @likeohmygod idea is a good one.

There are several garotos currently on that site that I recognize or know from saunas, ads, etc.

It is impossible to make sure that no one is not going to record the performance (video and/or pictures) and share it as mentionned by SolaceSoul. (I once participated to a group of 10 persons and we shared pictures and comments on the boys on the scene in Prague. One day, a member of the group passed pictures and information to non members. It was the end of the Group ...). So either the boys do not care if the photos of their show are published on internet (and they should perform on Charturbate and make some money) or they do care and will not accept or accept but will perform with a mask and hide all elements which could make identify them and it is not going to be so sexy. The hustle of organizing such shows is huge and there are so many shows of this type on chaturbate or cam4 : at any time you are sure to find a guy or guys that you will like. Surprinsingly on Chaturbate, there are very few boys from Brazil. I saw one today who did such a very hot show inserting a couple of dildos up his ass (Anab_Frank s cam). If any of you know of good and sexy performers, I am interested. I would like to have the possibility to comment privately the shows with friends. I did that when there were, during many years, the live auditions at William Higgins in Prague, every week day at 2 pm CET. A bunch of 10 to 12 regulars were always present and shared comments on the boys who were all newbies stripping all the way down and sometimes wanking. The types of comments we were making would not be allowed on Chaturbate ! Maybe we could create a group to share in real time comments on Chaturbate boys ...

Now that i see his face without the mask, my favorite person goes back to sarawut maranrod lol. Yup, the left most guy is the guy is the unknown model before.

The highest ‘ask’ I witnessed from a GdeP was R$400, 5 times more than some unbelievably hot guys I have been with, but I was essentially a pimping bystander. I had a bit of time to facilitate a newbie’s (American, decent-looking, 40s ... irrelevant factors) first trick; he very politely requested guidance. Soon enough, GeP known to me (in fact, known to many here), the gringo, and me all crammed momentarily in the small antechamber linking inside and outdoor bars along with dressing room access. Gringo obviously interested, scort without missing a beat blurts out “400” (the nerve! but how could this brat know I would not collude!?). I laughed, replied “150”, done, everybody happy, or maybe not.

I will agree that the best approach is to simply say upfront, “eu pago x reais” (I pay x BrazilIan dollars), and don’t ASK the garoto “quanto custa?” (how much?). If you’re in the “going-rate” range, if you’re not some smelly hideous ogre, and if you’re not asking for some crazy deviant sexual shit, then 9 times out of 10, you’ll get a yes. For that other 1 out of 10 that counteroffers with a higher price that you just don’t want to pay, you can simply walk away — there will be no hard feelings if you didn’t take up too much of the garoto’s time. Sometimes the garoto will just walk away himself! Sometimes they return to you for your original asking price. If you do choose to pay the higher price, I would suggest ONLY doing this in those rare cases that this certain garoto is an absolute must-have, never-to-be-experienced-again type that is every dream for you. But newsflash: there’s one like that around every corner in Rio, so you should not be afraid to simply say “no thanks” or “maybe later”, and just walk away. And in follow-up meetings with a garoto you’ve been with in the past, it never hurts to repeat before the programa is booked, “x reais”, so that there’s no misunderstanding (or if it’s been quite a while since your last visit, and his prices might have gone up). But if you’re a first-timer and you’re only going to be in Brazil for a few days, and won’t experience it again (or for years to come), then I’m not going to tell you to let a 50 reais price differential cause you to miss out on your dream garoto that you may never see again. That’s your judgment call to make at the time. I know if I were ever in that position (which admittedly, would have been a long time ago!), I would choose the experience with the man of my sexual and physical dreams over a few dollars price differential — but that’s for each person to decide.

Will be so fun to see tomcal give the stern thanks but no thank you live. lol

Right now I don't think I'd be too worried about the cost of the programa as long as I was attracted to the hot, young well-built guy with the beautiful skin ramming his big, hard cock deep inside me. I wouldn't even mind if he kept saying "take it, daddy, take it deep!" But, we are miles apart. Sigh.

Tomcal, I get that your experience and familiarity to the guys working there may negate the need to negotiate. BUT: I don't think it's a good idea for most of us going to the saunas to meet garotos to not confirm the agreed upon fees BEFORE getting intimately acquainted. Most of the guys are above board, but especially in desperate times like these, more than just a few might create a scene when you're finished and they only then tell you they expect you to pay much more than you had expected. I think it's always a good idea to know going in what the agreed upon fees will be. I speak from a couple bad experiences years ago, when despite my having been there several times over the years, some of the garotos would jack up their rate after we'd finished if we had not clearly agreed first.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas Compare it with a visit to a masseur. In most places around the world, the masseur remains clothed. He doesn't in Bangkok. Compare it with a visit to a darkroom. Sometimes it is boring and nothing happens. Other visits you are lucky.

and ugly one at that

How about DEVS on Hulu? I don't get Hulu, but a friend really recommends this show.

He is pandering to his base. The right wingers do not have any place in their society for gays and lesbians. Trump will also give them little bits of love in the form of hate as that is what they love most.

Yet, those who knock Biden forget who is in office now?? Same as all the liberties republicans are taking, stamping out freedoms, fucking with poor people...will make it easier for Democrats to do to the rich I understood people that WERE republicans in the past. We disagreed on many things, but I could understand their point of view. Then I know Republicans today that still have those same values and don't support Trump. I just can't understand people supporting Trump....maybe at the start, but now? But then again, I don't understand how people could be members of a cult.

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