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As I said SexyAsianStud, welcome. There is always an easy middle ground. Lucky wants zero discussion of Daddy's (been saying that since the day this site opened). Other want lots of discussion about Daddy's. I don't like lots of discussion about any one thing but some discussion is always OK and you will not be slapped or spanked here because of that. (unless you ask me to spank, then it is negotiable). I have not read or looked at that site in ages so I don't know the issues or personalities. I know a few of the old time posters and that is about it. I look forward to getting to know you. Welcome. Feel free to post more photos. Both Lucky and I will be happy with that!

There's the health risk to yourself (+1) - young healthy guys probably not something to worry about, but up to you. How safe is it to stay in any of our home countries these days? The health risk to others - the risk that you (+1) are exposed, get it and are asymptotic or minor ignorable symptoms ("just tired after all that partying"), in good faith go home and uniwttingly expose others back home. A legit concern. That's the whole point of the blanket travel restrictions. As in any communicable disease situation like this, the potential impact on others is surely as important (or more) than on one's self. But right now Thailand isn't on the bad lists and the number of people with COVID-19 is very low. [yes - some people say the reported numbers are suspiciously low. Who really knows?] My plan is to be in home quarantine when I get back to the states regardless, just to be safe for others. Impossible to quantify this one? The inconvenience risk that Thailand goes on a high risk list in the week that you are here and you (+1) are put on some sort of home quarantine when you go home. Maybe not that much of an inconvenience at all. hehehe Presumably you're checking your respective travel health insurance policies for coverage in case you are stuck here. Bangkok isn't empty. Still lots and lots of people around. I just saw a friend's vid from DJ last night and it quite looked reasonably busy. Perhaps a bit more comfortable to dance. I would expect lots of your fellow circuit guys to cancel, but surely not all. So you won't be alone in BKK. Still, when I looked a couple of days ago tickets were available at the early-bird price, which makes me wonder if the event was cancelled for lack of bookings. With Pattaya and Khon Kaen cancelling main Songkran activities, despite the Tourism Minister saying all will be normal-ish, I think it's 50-50 that Bangkok does the same and cancels the main Songkran water events. So far nothing about Fake Club having its usual outdoor Songkran party. Hmmmmm. Still, I think it's very, very, very hard not to have lots and lots and lots of fun in BKK.

Private room price list Mon-Thurs (small blue print at the bottom of sign). As far as I know they do not switch this sign for Fri, Sat, Sun, holidays, BUT the cabin inflates by 10 to 35, and the first price tier of bathroom-inclusive quarters goes up by 5 to 55, while the second and top suite tiers remain the same.

So after 24 hours, and from 14 respondents, the vote is neck and neck: which is kind of surprising, since I thought people would be more upbeat about Bangkok here, regardless of the circumstances. Thank you for the great advice so far. I've had a long conversation with the BF yesterday, and he is still leaning towards not going. I am on the fence, leaning a little towards going, but I would hate that the first time the BF sees Asia is through the fog of COVID-19 complications. One thing has been clear, the virus itself is more or less not the issue here, us being relatively young and healthy, but its the other complications of the pandemic (quarantines and airline cancellations and travel bans and media hysteria, not to mention my parent's worry) that makes it a complicated matter. A number of music festivals and conventions have already been cancelled here in the US, which makes it even more of a bummer. I guess we were lucky that carnaval in Rio was not scaled down last week due to this mess. Offing for me is a solitary activity. I wouldn't dare do this with the BF, or if with "regular" friends with me in Bangkok, which happens once in a while. But, the BF is keen on at least seeing a boy bar and the seediness attached to it (and a girlie bar or two as well). He is Brazilian after all. Ugh this is just one of many things that complicates things. It would be OK if it were just me, seasoned traveler, having seen everything, but not with the BF with his first time in Asia. I'd dare say even if we cancel there will be other chances for sure. Knowing me though, it might be with a different BF lol. Thanks for laying all this out. It's the infinite permutation of complications that makes it almost not worth it. But lol yes getting home quarantined is actually a positive. At work this week, people were paranoid, and one sneeze has everyone look at you weird, and HR has been quick to recommend people to just work from home. I am American yup. The BF is Brazilian. I didn't realize there are countries putting Americans in a quarantine list. I don't blame them. We do not have our shit together yet. The mercy with our airfare is that they are awards booking through United, so if we cancel last-minute, it is only $50 to redeposit the miles we used. The Crowne Plaza Bangkok booking can be cancelled without penalty. The issue is not the Bangkok bookings, the issue is more making other travel plans because he and I have the time off already planned with our respective work. If we cancel BKK, I may just spend that easter week in Brazil (like you!), or maybe somewhere closer like Mexico. Amen to all of this. Dying is not my worry though. We are not gonna die from this. It's the other complications that this confusion has brought that I am worried about.

Many years ago I had a friend with me that was very wealthy and very cheap. In Lagoa he went to the showers and TV room, Bathroom and did a lot of sucking , kissing maybe even fucking. As we were leaving the guy asked for his money, my friend said that they just "played" around and didn't have sex. My friend said when money was never talked about. So the GP was upset at the entrance. I called Edgar over, explained what happened and he asked the boy "did you guys agree on a price and did he say yes to a programma?" The guy said no and Edgar said, no transaction happened if the customer didn't agree to a programma....he told the boy to go away and to learn his lesson. I told my friend what he did was wrong and that we'd better get out of there before the guy is waiting for him down the street. So I think Kevie was in the same boat, not being cheap like my friend. Just that he didn't sign the deal and I don't think any money is due.....was nice of him to buy the drink so at least the GP can save face at least and it didn't blow up to an altercation.

It’s everywhere so just enjoy life

A few observations from my visits to BKK over the last 2 weekends. BKK is by no means deserted. Still many tourists in town. However, there are fewer than for normal for high season. It seems that in particular Chinese tourists stay away. Hotel rates are down. Stayed at Le Siam hotel, Executive room at a very reasonable rate - very happy to stay there. As reported before this hotel has quest-friendly policy - no issues. I was at Dj St. 3 times over the last 2 weekends (Fri + Sat and Fri). Entrance is THB 400 incl. 2 drinks. The other soi 2 venues/bars are still very busy/crowded with local/Asian quests but at DJ St. you can actually move around now; much fewer quests upstairs; downstairs still quite busy. It was indeed much more comfortable as in the past DJ St would get incredibly crowded Fridays and Saturdays. I would say that the number of guests during my recent weekend visits were like a weekday or Sunday visit in normal high season.

He touched his face and look what happened to him!

In particular in Brazil, there is a significant growth of cases of syphilis (+ 4000 % growth in 8 years. 250000 identified cases per year). This is only 0.1 % of total Brazilian population infected per year, but it is much higher in young people and even higher in prostitutes. According to recent study 20 % of female prostitutes were infected without being aware of it. Even posters in the Rio metro remember the situation of syphilisx. In addition, syphilis which can be cured easily if detected early, is often asymptomatic (as well as other STDs) so it is likely that the number of cases are much higher than the previous figures. There is also a significant increase of cases of dengue (in particular in the state of Rio de Janeiro). Avoid being biten by mosquitoes ! There is also an increase of cases of measles ("sarampo" in Portuguese).

I was expecting for this to happen, but waking up right now, this news was first in my FB feed. Actually, it was my Brazilian BF who told me the news first, and he is equally bummed: I was set to spend a week in Bangkok for Songkran with the BF, but with this news, I am not sure. There are options to get the tickets I already bought to be refunded, or the money already paid to be applied for next year's parties. I have to think about what to do next. Maybe just agree to not to get refunded and just have tickets for SK2021, since I still want to go for Songkran. The BF has been especially nervous with traveling all the way to Bangkok (from Brazil) during this COVID-19 scare. Last week while I was in Rio de Janeiro with him during carnaval, Brazil reported their first ever case of someone getting COVID-19, and the Brazilian media went crazy with the coverage and scare-mongering. While there is of course cause for major concern, I tried to assure him it was not that bad, and we both can manage this together when traveling. But with this GCIRCUIT cancellation, it might be the last straw for the BF, and the BF is asking me to cancel our plans Bangkok altogether. I mean, we could still salvage the week in Bangkok over Songkran right? So what do you guys think? How does it feel nowadays in Bangkok? At tourist sites, boy bars and shopping malls? Should I cancel my plans for Songkran? Will Songkran be scaled back or cancelled, and maybe the BF's first taste of Bangkok should be postponed to a time when everything is back to normal?

I just booked the East Suites for april/may 2020! Thanks for all the advices!

In fact the room rate sign is switched on the weekend.

exactly. Key quote from the Post article Mack posted above: "confusion persists" - we'll I'd say not only among the public trying to make sense of it all, but as much in the government. TIT indeed 555

As it is, the REAL death rate is very much up in the air. Not only does it depend on the highly unreliable denominator, at this point it also varies dramatically between some of the countries with a relatively high number of cases. Country cases deaths rate Global 102,188 3,491 3.4% China 80,651 3,070 3.8% S. Korea 6,767 44 0.7% Iran 4,747 124 2.6% Italy 4,636 197 4.2% Source of cases & deaths (as of writing this post): https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 It appears the WHO number is the unfiltered global number, not taking into account the uncertain denominator. As for Italy: it looks alarmingly high but at the same time it confirms the age thing, allowing younger folks to relax: The AVERAGE age was a whopping 81, so there must have been many many in their 90s.

After my friend's experience getting drugged in Medellin--and after hearing your experience I decided to read a bit more about the drug used. I came across this very good but rather scary documentary about the use of the drug in Colombia to rob people. You can watch it here free on Amazon Prime if you have any interest. https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07H3BPTQP/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r I remember now on my first trip to Colombia I stayed at a gay hotel in Bogota (that ironically was run by a very friendly older straight couple) and they warned me about this. They told me the story of another guest who they tried to warn and they said he was like "I don't need to hear this--I've travelled all over the world and I know how to take care of myself." Sure enough he was drugged in Chapinero (the gay area of Bogota) and lost quite a sum from his ATM. Colombia is a wonderful place with a lot of good people. In 5-6 trips there I have never had a problem personally--but as the saying goes "You aren't in Kansas anymore!"

He was an egotistical blowhard at the same time he was a deadlfully correct critic. So, OK by me.

I don't think "scary proposals" are what instigate fear among Democrats about Bernie. "Scary proposals" are a Republican talking point. Bernie shares a political style similar to Trump's. He's stubborn, recalcitrant, and a my-way-or-the-highway type of negotiator. Bernie is also not a Democrat. If Bernie were to win, the historical balance of a two-party system in America may forever change. And this change could hurt The Democratic Party for ages to come. That is what scares some people. If I had a dollar for every time someone called a politician a "crook," people would address me as Michael Bloomberg. Some voters think the simple command of taxing people to pay for community services warrants the label "crook." Frankly, I don't think it's possible to pursue politics or work in public service and NOT have someone call you a crook, especially when the intent is partisan. But let's talk about the dangers and ramifications of HYPOCRISY. When you vote for a well known, highly certifiable Mafia don as your leader and put him into the White House, you never again, NEVER get to enjoy the whining, complaining pleasure of calling someone else a crook. It really is that simple. Oh RA1, I wish you didn't make me laugh so hard during dinner. I get food all over my silk pj's. These are just several links from the first page of a Google search: How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency All the President's Profiting G-7 at Trump's Doral resort? The original sin of this presidency is failure to divest. Trump’s children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden’s son A Look At President Trump's History Of Profiting Off His Presidency Ka-Ching. Donald Trump is raking in big bucks from emoluments foreign and domestic. The sad thing about this reality: there are pages and pages on Google when searching for Trump family profiteering from the presidency. There is no such evidence from Joe Biden, so no matter how much the Republicans wish it to be true, voters aren't going to buy into Trump/Kellyanne talking points. Not this election. The will of the American people. The mandate for any president.

Mr. Schock is not finding a very warm gay welcome: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-aaron-schock-coming-out-gay-slammed-lgbtq-media-20200306-ibnhxgoxwvhspgom7ywig44gxq-story.html

I’d hold off making plans for Songkran because of the government’s lack of a clear policy regarding possible quarantine on.arrival. Maybe it will gets It’s act together soon but until then it’s a crapshoot. But if you can tolerate the uncertainty then you’ll find the town business as usual. Since you’d be coming with you boyfriend, I assume you wouldn’t be looking to do a lot of offing anyway.

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/03/06/pattaya-city-cancels-all-non-religious-official-songkran-activities-and-wan-lai-festival-due-to-covid19-concerns/ I wouldnt be so sure about that. But i still think songkran isnt everything and there is plenty of fun around still. With much less tourist around, bars and boys will pay more attention to you in bars.

I'm more interested in the report. Not interested in being an anonymous internet social critic. I want to hear about the guys and the events of the night as well as your hijinks. I have written about my time in Brazil at the gay Thailand board but I may post some memories here as well. Anyway, keep writing and posting. Like many here, I'm hungry for firsthand reports about the guys and businesses of Brazil.

I have to say this, there is an old custom among those who visit the bars of Bangkok and Pattaya that would be well adopted here: if you sit with a bar boy and talk to him for 10 minutes or so; regardless of whether you have touched him, kissed him, fondled him - let alone, engaged in oral sex you MUST tip him. They are sex workers and you know that. I can't believe this is an issue that needs to be discussed. It is not an issue of being a "noble sex tourist " ( why you would want to be otherwise is a mystery ) but of simple good manners and decency.

I have found the likelihood of program candidates matching my preferences is greater on Friday and Saturday. I think it is a combination of overall volume and the type of provider taking part on weekends. Again, nothing etched in stone, as my ‘research’ sampling to date is limited.

The pathways are very straightforward and all at the front of the building structure. The sole exception is a short stairway, as delineated by the red asterisk, at the very back of the building from subterra reception level to the back of streetlevel Social. Just imagine the new opaque façade superimposed on the photo of the previous appearance. At street side at the juncture of each of 4 levels is placed signage indicating where you are. Example provided. (Parenthetically, I find the transitways simpler than Thermas in Barcelona).

I, for one can't envision myself flying all the way to Thailand to watch good dancers. Bad dancers with good body and smiling face are more than welcomed though

to spare boy an embarrassment of that call and waiting for me to answer I almost always walk my guy down to a street . This courtesy is NOT awarded to guys with disappointed performance

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Lol well it’s be good to meet for a beer evening time!

5.5 years in prison vs few hundred baht in a bar for the same act. Its all about consent

This was not meant as a trip report (I’m not sure if I’ll get around to write one for this trip), but it turned out to be as long as one. It is my reflection on my time with one of the boys during my recent trip. If you’ve read my last two trip reports, I’ve been going on about adorable Myanmar boy from Screwboys. I first met him in December when I offed him for two consecutive nights but missed out to get his contact. In January, he has stopped working and was back in Myanmar. I was back in Bangkok over the last weekend, I have booked this trip even before my January trip. I am fortunate to be able to go to Bangkok so often, though I have not decided on my next trip. I am thinking of Songkran but rowdy crowds are not my thing. There is a whole thread here on the pros and cons on going during Songkran and now with the Covid-19 virus I’m still holding out. I’ve mostly gotten over missing Myanmar boy, so I was a little hesitant to seek him out again this trip. I knew there’s a high chance I’ll be disappointed and my feelings would be reignited. When I reached the hotel, I just thought to open Grindr as I know many boys who have left the bars would be freelancing. I saw Thai boy from Lucky boys, my off from January. He had messaged me on Line the week before that he was no longer working at Lucky boys as he had some issues with the bar. However, no Myanmar boy. Naturally, Screwboys was my first stop that night. Chatty Lao friend saw me and I called him over. He knew it was only for a chat as with the previous two times. He updated that Myanmar boy was back in Bangkok, at this point I felt my heart skip a beat. He told me to try and message him directly, but I told him I did not have Myanmar boy’s contact. He was a little surprised. I told him to ask Myanmar boy if I could get his contact, but I think he missed this and I did not ask him further. He went on to sit with another customer. He recommended me another Lao boy from the line up who also happened to be Myanmar boy’s roommate, so I called him over some time later. I saw him messaging Myanmar boy on Facebook messenger. He showed me the profile with the same picture as last month. I would end up offing him. The next two days, I was mostly occupied and had plans with Cambodia Boy A. On Day 4, my second last day, I had to force myself up in the morning after the tiring past few days. I tried to hit up Grindr again, I haven’t opened it since my first night, with the sole purpose to see if Myanmar boy was on there. It felt like a miracle, but he was there, 66m away and online. I immediately messaged him to ask what time he was available. I did not have a profile picture so he did not know it was me. He finished work at 5 pm and was free to meet after. I told him he knew me and sent my picture. He then went on the typical I miss you, I want to meet you messages. We set our appointment at 7 pm. We had a small catch up through messages. He has changed day job and sent a selfie of him and his colleagues at his new job. I did not miss this chance to ask for his contact and he gave me his WeChat so I could contact him there. I could hardly contain my excitement then but I had to wait until evening. At about 6.30pm, he messaged that he finished work and went back to his room to shower. He sent another selfie of himself. At 7pm, I left the hotel to walk around Patpong while waiting for him. He reached around 7.30 pm. Finally, I was reunited with him, I missed him a lot in the initial days from our first meeting in December. With reunions, as many have recounted their experiences here, it could go both ways. One might have repeated their encounter in their minds so many times that probably only the good parts stick. For my case, the reunion experience was even better than my initial one. On the way up to the room, he updated that he indeed went back to Myanmar last month and have renewed his work permit for another two years. I was happy for him. In bed, his sex drive was higher, him not working at a bar anymore was probably the reason. He did not need his porn twitter feed this time. But he did share it with me to show off his Lao friend, the boy I offed on the first night, whom he refers to as superstar. Lao boy had a few clips on one of the twitter accounts. I remembered mamasan mentioning this about him as well. My boy said that Lao boy was paid about 3000 – 5000 baht for one clip, I forgot the correct amount. After the session, he asked what my plans was and whether I was going to a bar to take a boy. At that point, I replied I was not sure yet, I wanted to walk around first. He then asked if I wanted to play pool (snooker) with him. I missed an opportunity to go out with him last time, so I said ok. We went to a place in Patpong, beside Dreamboy, where his friend was working. We had many rounds of games with two of his lady friends. After which, he again asked me if I wanted to take another boy that night. At that point, I have enjoyed his company both in and out of bed, I did not see a reason why I would need another boy. I told him I wanted to go to the bars or walk around but I would not take a boy. He brought me to soi 4 W/Telephone bar. He wanted to check on his friend and neighbour in Myanmar who was working his first day there. He got the job there for his friend who had complained about being jobless in Myanmar. He mentioned the pay was about 200 baht per day as a waiter boy. My boy asked if he could order food, selfishly while I was enjoying my time I forgot about his dinner. We spent most of the time there teasing his friend. He told me his friend’s Thai was not that good so he sometimes could not understand customer’s request. Also, he was shy to sit with a customer. His friend was probably messaging my boy the whole time to update him since he started work that day. Seeing his personality and attitude, I think he would do ok there. My boy also chatted with most of the waiters and said hi to the singer dancer performing, apparently, he used to work there as a singer/dancer. We took our leave and walked the long way round back to Patpong 2, he said his secret to keeping slim after a meal. He asked which boy bar I wanted to go, it was his night so I asked him to decide. He chose Hotmale where he wanted to see his friend. His friend was Thai and one of the three coyote dancers there that night. His friend was crazy hype and energetic with his dance and probably a little drunk. We had a good time with his friend and also one of the mamasan he knew, who was also probably recruiting him to the bar. Since Hotmale closed at 1, I asked him to accompany me to another bar until closing time 2 am. He chose his former bar, Screwboys. He caught up with a mamasan, who was happy to see him. During the show, he told me that the ladyboy performer used to have a thing for him but he had to reject her, since he only liked boys. My usual mamasan who was away for the past three nights was supposed to be back that night, but was out drinking with a customer at Moonlight. She came back a while after and greeted me. She was slightly disappointed angry, not angry angry, at my boy as he pleadingly tried to make up with her. We left near closing time and she wished the best for me and wished for my boy to come back to work there. I was not sure if my boy wanted to stay the night, I would not insist as I wanted him to be able to go to work the next day. He accompanied me back to my room. We had an intimate moment kissing, cuddling and chatting. He asked if I have a boyfriend back home. When I said no, he went on to say he really liked me and loved me. He asked if I wanted to be his boyfriend. He would not take other customers since he has a day job to sustain. In another life, I would have said yes. Also in a moment of lust and him being probably slightly drunk, I was not sure if he really meant it. Many thoughts went through my head but I told myself to stop and cherish that moment. I am a hopeless romantic and I chose to believe in love, with ulterior motives or not, I believe love comes in many forms. I do truly love him as well. But I cannot say yes and I did not say no. I told him not to stop anything for me. After that romantic moment passed, he asked if I wanted another round of sex as he had decided he wanted to go back to his room and go to work tomorrow. I declined, I was already satisfied emotionally that night. He tucked me into bed and left. The day after, I started missing him badly as I exchanged a few messages with him to say goodbye as I leave for the airport. It has been a few days and I still do think about him and look at his pictures. He has not messaged since I left, and I do not intend to do so either, it is my way of coping. I will contact him again if I’m going back to Bangkok, but I’ll want to go back only if he was around. I was reunited with adorable Myanmar boy and it was bittersweet.

I've always respected RA1. I am familiar with his posts from the other board. However, this discussion has gone silly. In my lifetime, I don't ever recall a presidential candidate who promoted "hooliganism" in the manner used by Trump. Never before. I thought it was disgusting and scary. There were fist fights at his rallys and Trump promised to pick up the medical bills if his fans beat up protesters. Insanity. On national TV the other night, Sanders denounced any "hooligans" that might support him. He told them all to "go to hell" and "get as far away from my campaign as possible." He said he did not want their votes. Apples and oranges. I'll take Sanders' approach to society's trolls any day over Trump's.

In my town, the city police break up & drive out church groups attempting to give food to the homeless in public city squares. One has to wonder what Jeshuah bar Joseph would have said about that.

I don't think you're thinking this through. If spreading the risk is what insurance is all about, then what better way to manage risk than to make universal healthcare? The insurance companies naturally say, "Give us more customers and profits, yeah, that's the answer!" but think about this practically. Why should we as a society use a more expensive, less efficient model to deliver something essential just so companies can profit. Compare the other 'socialist' institutions of police and fire. Does it make any sense to have people individually sign up for police protection and pay 'police insurance'? Ditto for the fire department? No, it doesn't. As a society we all benefit when the police try to protect everyone and enforce the law on everyone. Ditto for trying to stop stuff from burning down. Because in both cases, failure to protect everyone has costs for everyone. When people get sick who don't have insurance, guess what, when they show up at an emergency room they have to be treated. Guess who pays for that. All of us who pay for our insurance. The simple and direct answer that pretty much every other civilized nation has come up with is to provide care for everyone that everyone pays for.

There is also the slightly convenient fact of $61b. AND the rumored newest dig at Drumpf of Bloomberg asking HILLARY to be his VP running mate. Fucking brilliant, I think. The only one truly capable of taking this fight to Trump on his own court.