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Rudolfo the owner of Lagoa took us to lunch and then to the new building. It took us exactly 30 minutes to get there from Lagoa in his car! Do not look for a green building! it has now black metal over the green outside walls and does look better! it is 4 levels has 11 suites and 4 non-suite rooms! i thought even in its unfinished state it looks pretty nice! it will have 2 bar areas one where the stage and showers are like the present Lagoa and another bar on the top floor where there is a video room and a second video room for watching the soccer games and a smoking area! One unique thing he did was provide one suite right past the entrance for handicap/wheelchair to access. the building was not only empty but also had no walls when he rented it! so it is truely a new sauna! They were installing all air-conditioners today. the question will it be done by the grand opening in three weeks?? i don’t know it will be close but may have the final finishes. We met the architect today and they had 15 people working there, mostly electricians and carpenters but it will be a completely new facility to visit!. my Brazilian friend estimated that the cost of the remodeling was in excess of $600,000.R but that’s a guesstimate! the neighborhood seemed very safe! there are restaurants within a block. They are the black building to the left of it!, There will be no name on the bldg but address written on a single story home next door with a orange stripe on it is 124, just look for the multi story black building next to the orange house!

The boy in red circle has moved to Jupiter 2018 recently. I was surprised to find him in the bar last night, apparently he seems doing quite good business. last night.

Of all the places I have been to the past two years hunting for big cocks, - Puerto Vallarta, Havana, Santo Domingo, Mexico City - the DR was / is the best location where the boys are plentiful and affordable and where I hope to visit again in December.

Where do I find him? Is he still at Jupiter? Any other "gigantic" boys, with whom I won't be disappointed?

Hi Guys, I’ve read that hot/adventurous interaction between client and boys is perhaps allowed in certain bars: “jerk off the boys within the bar, then leave a decent tip for them; or fondle each other around 20 minutes, before moving on to the next boy.” Apparently “Tawan , Super A, Golden Cock and Nature Boy are more adventurous; Dreamboys, Moonlight, Hotmale, Jupiter – not so”. Is that so? Since I like the idea, any guidance (recommendations, warnings)..... limits, tips, bar names?

yes, he was still at Jupiter about month ago when I was there

thank you to all who respond , it looks it may heal itself . At least I don't need to trash my comp since others got similar issues occasionally.

Never been in Sahara. Is Sahara such green as background behind our new guide?

No problems and I've been accessing the forum and messages while traveling in China and the US.

Nope Vinapu, I'm currently not having a problem...but b4 I had a problem like that, it just fix by itself after a few days, idk how, it just did, hope its okay now with u...

Haven't accessed it for ages but just checked and it's working now.... knock wood.

I haven't had those problems (yet)

Same experience as mine...I very much agree 2 the artice, many tnks@vinapu 4 sharing!!!

interesting recent Macaroni21's impressions from Jupiter in his blog https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/

Siamroads will announce new location and new guide soon. For now by tradition - teaser Wanna try to guess new location?

LOLs. I realize you previously mentioned that you didn't want to take the time to read through other threads, but if you had you would have noticed that often threads do go a-wandering. There is another forum where "keep-to-the-topic" is enforced. In this Forum it's more common to let things go with the flow.

The End of Betomania OK. So I blew a few too many Benjamins on Beto. I'm disappointed it didn't work out for him. I don't think he's over. I expect to hear from him again. He's got a gift. However, the article in the NY Times spells out his failure quite clearly. Here are some excerpts: “Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? Advice?” he asked high-school students on his first day on the campaign trail, adding, “I know that I don’t have all of the answers.” (He also did himself no favors that morning with an aside about his wife Amy raising their children “sometimes with my help,” before quickly expressing regret for the comment.) In the months that followed, Mr. O’Rourke ostensibly rebooted a time or two, to limited effect. His eagerness to please — feet tapping atop cafe counters, hands slicing the air, head held in a permanent display of attentiveness — began to grate on some Democrats who had preferred such tics when he was merely the alternative to Mr. Cruz, a Republican they loathed. And after criticism early in his campaign over a dearth of major policy plans, Mr. O’Rourke had, by the end, so tested the bounds of acceptable debate within the party (“Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15,” he vowed after the El Paso shooting) that some of his peers had worried that he was hurting the cause. Very early in the process, Trump made fun of Beto's speaking style, which frankly caught the national audience by surprise. Several friends in NYC were talking about "ants in the pants." Speech tics are not something you want when you take your show on the national road. The electorate is craving, starving for a true leader: a smart, informed, natural candidate who can inspire. Another Obama. Asking high school students for suggestions on your first day of the campaign, on top of the wife gaffe, is not the way to project leadership. The guy seemed doomed from day one. Screaming, “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15,” is the worst campaign slogan in the history of politics. Most of us knew it was over when he delivered that line. You live and learn. Hopefully.

On the apps you will see the word "bi" (ไบ), and variations like manly bi (ไบแมนๆ) etc. So it's pretty simple word in both languages.

I pay 2000 short time to men from Screwboys and Freshboys, maybe 2500 if we've gone to eat, then gone to hotel for sex; maybe 3000 if several hours go by or it becomes long time. Men who really need an off have quoted less occasionally over the years. The more challenging situations are if they say they have to go early to help a friend or to a friend's birthday. I had one where we went for one short drink in a nearby bar; he said he had to go to birthday. I gave him 1000, which was probably generous in hindsight. The off fee to the bar of 500 starts to make it expensive just for a brief chat. On the apps 1000 doesn't seem to get much take up with up to 3000 quoted. The problem on the apps can be the use of old photos. The lads seem to accept any reasonable amount in the areas talked about here. But Thailand is not a country to argue about money in other services, like the visitor who argued about a 51 bt taxi fare and got macheted to death by the driver.

I don't think they do. The few (couple) of times that I have ended up with a Muslim guy was from Dreamboys, but hardly a statistically valid sample. I haven't come across this. There are several massage shops that send out Thai language Line blasts or updates and they use "gay" with the same sense as we do. For example, VCK - will say who is "" เกย์" ("gay") and who is "ชายแท้" ("chaai-táe"="real man"=straight). They will also say if someone is top only, does it all, or does absolutely everything. And these gay guys are not ladyboys or feminine. There are other shops that will identify guys as G or M for "gay" or "man=straight" , so you will see GT or GT&B or MT or the rare elusive (but prized) MT&B. Crowns Club is another that identifies guys as "" เกย์" ("gay") or "ชายแท้" ("real man"). And the list goes on and on. Also, in my experience just in conversations with local guys there is no direct link between "gay" and ladyboy. We freely use "gay" in the "gay Thailand" sense. To confirm my understanding, over breakfast I asked a young lad from Laos if "gay" would really make people think katoey, and he thought not, but, again, not a statistically valid sample. (Over breakfast = another of those uninvited L/Ts. ) It is true that most of the gay gogo bars have a drag element in the show. But you find that in gay bars in NYC and Atlanta and elsewhere. Go figure. At bars, I always ask guys if they are "gay" ("เกย์"), and at massage shops if I'm selecting from a lineup or photos I always first just tell the manager it has to someone "gay." Again, no hint of ladyboy. Way back I used to say I didn't want straight/top only - because that's all I cared about - but this way of asking-by-exclusion doesn't work as well as just saying gay. Actually I say I want someone "gay does everything" ("เกย์งานครบ ได้หมด"). Can't go wrong with that.

Others have addressed Q1. Regarding Q2, the Patpong Soi 2 bars will have full exposure with engorged appendages at some or several points in their shows. Most of the time, the performers will come down from the stage and circulate amongst the audience for a few seconds' grope and a 100-baht tip. You can say "No, thank you" if you think 100-baht (3€) is ridiculous for a very brief handling of a sausage tied up in rubber. If you want something more aesthetic rather than crude (erotic is probably too much to ask for) Moonlight's and Jupiter's shows might fit the bill, but there will be some show items when drag lip-sync performers take centre-stage. Two bits more of explanation. Why do I say erotic is probably too much to ask for? Well, the performers are mostly straight. They may do nudity, even as a group, but touching another straight performer on stage in a truly erotic, sensual way is either beyond their instincts or inclination. They just don't do or maybe don't understand homo-erotic. How many of us would really know/want to do erotic with a woman even in a show act? Why can't they be trained? Bar owners can't really be bothered, especially since the boys move from bar to bar. Anyway, bar owners are policemen's wives (at least according to received wisdom), not show directors. Cold mechanic may be the best one can get. Second bit of explanation: I noticed you used the word "gay" in Q2 in a certain way. Avoid the use of this word (as you understand it) in Thailand. Thais tend to understand "gay" in a different way. They conflate it with katoey and cross-dressing. So if you use "gay" in your way, you will likely meet with cultural misunderstanding. E.g. if you ask to be shown to a "gay show", you will get drag. Regarding your Q3, ah, I see. You want homo sex 24/7 Unfortunately, not much to do in the day, in this respect. There are possibilities in the afternoon, say, after 3pm, in the saunas or massage parlours. But do give the ping-pong and shoot-darts show a try. I wasn't entirely joking. They're eye-openers and special Thai treats. I'm not sure where your Q4 is coming from, but I somehow have the sense that you're thinking Thais are mainly Muslim and thus were concerned that you can't find uncut boys in Bangkok? Pardon me if I have misunderstood.

Bar “off fee” at Banana is 300. Wasn’t there just a post that Lucky Boys S/T is strictly-enforced 2,000? I’m surprised it’s less at Moonlight. Personally, I think S/T is more like 2,000 and L/T 2,500-3,000. Apps can be anywhere from 1000-2000. In BKK.

small fishing village called Pattaya, 1.5 hr by bus from Swampy airport ,

I have done a little research and here info. https://www.facebook.com/samisbarathens/ Filis 34 (5,031.70 mi) Athens, Greece 104 33 https://www.facebook.com/Test-Me-288424211616001/ Πιπίνου 64 (5,031.48 mi) Athens, Greece 11251 https://www.facebook.com/bizzarathensclub/ Πατησίων & Δεριγνύ 20 (5,031.67 mi) Athens, Greece 10434 I have not been to any of these places and would really like to hear about your observations and comments. Making plans to visit sometime in 2020. Bizzar Club looks very interesting to me and would love to know more. Thank you very much

Much of the same as the last times I have visited Rio... Beautiful weather, especially on Sunday which is the day EVERYBODY goes to the beach...Definitely the highlight of my trip Thursday after hitting the beach, I went to 117...crowded but not too bad....a lot of boys, a less clients....HOT GUYS....typical variety...GOT NO ACTION... Quantity over quality for me this time... Hit Pointe 202 around 8....WASTE OF TIME.....Could have had a V8.... Tons of action on Grindr and Jackd but ended up being tired as hell after drinking Friday definitely got better...BEACH...117...Very crowded, tons of guys...tons of clients doing what they normally do...I did notice 117 has added more variety in TWINKS....NOT MY SPEED Again no action but I had lined up some ass from Grindr... Ended up going to Samba after leaving Lapa and got back to the Apartment at around 3...Great samba crowd...always great time... HOT MUSCLE TWINK CAME OVER....Insatiable...Amazing body for a little guy and nice bubble ass...gotta stop sleeping on the smaller guys... Dude literally fucked (or I fucked him) to sleep...short, muscular, toned...tanned, great ass and legs, SEXY as fuck Overcast Saturday..Just walked the beach a little until me and my Carioca friend went out to Barra Tijuca to the islands that I love for drinks and lunch... Hit the beach to walk around...got nice and toasted THEN decided to hit up Villa Mimosa...(Google it) Tons of whores and guys on the hunt for them... Ended up heading back to the apartment after an hour at Villa Mimosa and invited some young white Carioca over... PHAT ASS BOOTY on a slim dude....Exactly why I love RIo....21 years old and texted me ALL DAMN DAY after we fucked to connect again... I was almost ready to block him AND then he sends me a pic of him and his ass on the beach....I made him a deal to link again in December... Rio never disappoints...almost like home... Definitely didn't have as much sex as I anticipated but my two hook ups are definitely repeats and I have some other guys to meet up when Im back in two months... Lapa, the islands, Ipanema, Copacabana....always a good time....

Ramon, as you may know, is in Marylebone and travelling around. Available for social get-togethers. Hard to fund the good life without subsidies.

specially in places like inside of go-go bar..

I appreciate you meant well by sharing those Twitter pics...but do wonder sometimes about people who take pics of other customers in gogo bars & then post them on Twitter, they're blurry but i can still recognize the boy sat with him (Laos friend of mine) Like i say...not a dig at you (this is directed at whoever took that pic originally) but i just think people deserve to have their privacy respected

Before I start treating my computer with steel bar I better ask this question above. In last several days when trying to access my messages and to lesser extend also posts in forum, it seems getting connection lasts forever and often is terminated before getting there. Since I did not notice that with surfing other sites I wonder if it just my local problem or others had it as well ?