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interesting recent Macaroni21's impressions from Jupiter in his blog https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/

looks like somewhere in the middle of Sahara ?

*operetta (sorry sorry, I just know something for once )

LOLs. I realize you previously mentioned that you didn't want to take the time to read through other threads, but if you had you would have noticed that often threads do go a-wandering. There is another forum where "keep-to-the-topic" is enforced. In this Forum it's more common to let things go with the flow.

I find it useless worrying about nomenclature. I for one hate the use of Queer. For decades when I was growing up it was filled with very negative connotations and I loathed it. Now it has become fashionable again. I wish the younger generation could be bothered to educate themselves about its history. Gay is one virtually generic term but there are many sub-terms. Even that is a fairly recent adoption of the term. In the years between the two world wars, it meant cheerful, carefree and fun. Even in the mid 1950s Leonard Bernstein composed a musical 'Candide' whose main song is "Glitter and be Gay". (Mind you, as Bernstein was himself a homosexual as his wife writes in one of her letters to him, its possible perhaps he wrote that with tongue in cheek!) In a way I am sorry the word gay has all but lost its earlier meanings. As for straights, I have no such problem. What other term is likely to be appropriate I wonder? Acceptance of the word heteros implies an equal acceptance of homos.

I live less than 15 miles away from the port where those poor people were found so fair to say 'I'm on the Ground here'...as DivineMadman wisely said 'feelings are raw' especially for those of us who have deep and meaningful links with the Vietnamese community. I don't think its wrong to say that these people were murdered effectively...at very least manslaughter and last time I heard that's in line with some of the charges the gang (they've rounded up so far on the UK/European side) are being charged with. If you place 39 human beings in a refrigerated container with limited air supply and they die, I think its fair to say you had more than a hand in their deaths. A lot of those young people who started out on that journey by all accounts thought they had some type of 'VIP ticket' and probably never expected to find themselves in that life or death type situation, but I suspect by the time they were confronted with it i.e. getting in the truck or not...in that situation having travelled so far they must have felt immense pressure to continue on.

The way they made money off of Harvey Weinstein's victims is a scandal story of its own. Can't wait to see how many female TV anchors rush to have them as guests on their shows now. David Boies, who championed gay marriage and Al Gore before the Supreme Court, served as Weinstein’s personal consigliere and worked to squash threats and bad press. If you want the truth, it is often said, "Follow the money." Weinstein's money sure impacted some very famous people who pose in public as righteous, humanitarian leaders. Stomach sickening disgrace. Susan Faludi's book review is scandalous enough. I can only imagine all the details that are chronicled in, “She Said: Breaking the Sexual Harassment Story That Helped Ignite a Movement.” Sounds like a worthwhile read if your stomach can handle some awful truths.

That's really my point. I don't think 1,500 is the norm in BKK for S/T. I think it's better to expect 2,000 S/T. (Apps you can find guys for less.) I don't know as much about L/T because my problem is getting the guys to leave, so I never actually ask for L/T.

Bar “off fee” at Banana is 300. Wasn’t there just a post that Lucky Boys S/T is strictly-enforced 2,000? I’m surprised it’s less at Moonlight. Personally, I think S/T is more like 2,000 and L/T 2,500-3,000. Apps can be anywhere from 1000-2000. In BKK.

Everyone deserves a good lawyer. I don't fault anyone for looking for good legal counsel. And, I can't name many high profile attorneys that are in the business for helping others only. It is a business, and they are there to make money. I have seen of recent a law professor get ousted from a job because he represented a scumbag. Everyone deserves good council. I hope we don't get to the point where doctors are told they are horrible for teaching a sleaze patient.

I guess it was just a matter of time. Gloria Allred accused of advising Weinstein accuser to stay silent Women's rights attorneys? Give me a break. It's high time Allred and daughter Bloom were exposed for the money-grubbing thieves that they are, taking full advantage of their female clients when the money to silence them far outweighed any justice. "Bloom, who has since said that she’s “mortified” about having worked with Weinstein" I'll bet this phony bitch was mortified. Mortified that she got caught in a flagrant two-faced, money-scheming operation to defraud vulnerable women. Mortified that the female media gatekeepers who once showered them with attention might not ever open those free publicity doors again. If I see these two women on TV in the future, speaking on behalf of women's issues, I will write the TV producers and express my outrage. Unethical lawyers who get rich by fucking over their clients deserve to have their businesses destroyed. No more free publicity. Media darlings no more!

From what I have read & heard I don't think a lot of them paid up front...often a case of a debt that then has to be worked off, in many cases it leads to them being taken advantage of in the UK and treated like indentured labour (at best). In terms of how they get through it appears the use of refrigerated trucks by the people smugglers is a VERY dangerous attempt to try hide them from the body heat scanners they have at the ports to scan trucks, also that port they came through handles commercial / cargo primarily as far as I know. Anyone who preys on people to that extent must have a very very dark soul that's all I can say.