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Since we all get along so well we should create a small investment group to take over a place like Lyon's Sauna , albeit on better terms than they had. I know the way we all travel and whore around, we could throw some cash we're not using at a place like this to make it work. Advertising- Good about getting the word out about the place (Tomcal, although I'm sure he wants HR, to test new hires) Accounting and legal matters- Experienced in accounting and detailed legal documents (Mvan1) EEOC compliance manager- To ensure that we have the correct number of black, white, mulatto, etc (Solacesoul) Training manager- Someone with experience in the field to train the guys the do's and don'ts of the position (Badboy81) Consultant/Director- Previous Experience running escort agency or sauna (Totallyoz) Nationwide recruiter- Travel the country looking for fresh talent (Namuzu) Historian- To give advice of previous saunas failures in the past so we don't make the same mistakes (Axiom2001) Legalese speaker- Someone that will talk to the various police entities as needed to confuse them as to what is actually going on inside (Riobard) Bar manager- Someone that will keep an eye on the bar, closely (floridarob) I'm sure I've left some positions/names out.....chime in with your suggestions (Humor is ok, don't be rude ) Also, I don't know everyone personally that I've tagged, no offense intended to anyone. Just things that stuck in my mind from reading posts all these years. And now what would the benefits be...? We could have investment levels, not like pyramid schemes, but yeah. Platinum, gold, bronze, etc... Haven't given this much thought, but what benefits could be given to the different levels of investment , hmmm

Hi all. A bit of a trip report from my latest trip to Bangkok. It's not really that chock-a-block full of sexual escapades but hopefully there will be some interest! So a little back story - I went to Pattaya back in April and met a guy at Royal House whom I had a good time with. Let's call him J. So we kept in contact via line and I invited him to stay with me on my next trip to Bangkok (as he was now living in Bangkok). He was pretty excited, and often sent messages 'I can't wait to see you' etc. I on the other hand was a little trepidatious as my experience of Thai guys is limited to "massages" mainly, and in my home country I'm pretty introverted and prefer to be by myself most of the time, so inviting someone to stay with me was something quite different for me. But I just thought 'fuck it', I need to open up to new experiences and just see how it goes (which it didn't really).. read on to find out! Day 1: travelled from my home country to Singapore for a 6 hour stopover (love Changi Airport) around the hours of 2:30am - 8:30am. There's surprisingly still a lot to do there at stupid o'clock. I messaged J to let him know when I would be arriving and he said he would meet me at the airport, I said he didn't have to but he insisted. Landed at Suvarnabhumi at about 9:50am, immigration took ages, but my suitcase was already at the carousel as I got out. As I exited into the arrivals area, no sign of J, sent him a message and made my way down to the basement to exchange some money. I didn't know whether or not to wait, so I just waited a little bit and he messaged back saying that he was asleep. No problem, so I said that I would meet him later as I wanted to rest first. Took the airport link and BTS to Chong Nonsi where my hotel was - I Residence Silom. The hotel was okay, I probably wouldn't stay there again. It was a little run down and rough around the edges, and the bathroom was small, but they are doing some renovations and there are some newer rooms. Bit confusing at times are there are 3 different buildings that are not connected, but I think some of the floors are. Finding the breakfast room and the rooftop pool was a bit of an adventure, but I got there in the end. But the staff were really nice, location was really good (right outside the BTS Chong Nonsi), and sooo many places to eat nearby (restaurants, street food, etc), as well as a 7/11, King Power Mahanakhon across the road (which I will get to later), and Baantewa and Arena are walking distance. Getting to the Silom area is walkable or a very short train ride. Ate lunch at Lon Lon (very nice), and met J a little later in the evening. We met at Siam Paragon, had a bit of a wander, looked for something to eat, he wanted to eat at a Japanese seafood buffet for 1000 baht per person, I said no and told him I am not a rich farang, and ended up eating at Boon Tong Kee, which is a restaurant that I've eaten at in Singapore. Took the BTS back to my hotel, and this is where things started to become weird. So as soon as we got in, he was literally stuck to his phone. Like, I will admit that I spend a lot of time on my phone as well, but this just took the cake. I was in the bed, and he eventually came to bed (still on the phone) and I had to snuggle up to him to get 'things' started. It just felt like that spark that we had a few months ago wasn't there. I'm a pretty realistic person, I'm not expecting him to spend every waking moment with me, but at least put your phone down when I'm snuggling up to you and maybe give me a bit of attention? Anyway, after we finished I went to sleep because I was pretty tired, and he slept sometime later. Day 2: Shortly after waking, snuggled up to him, surprise surprise he was on his phone, but we got 'started' after I literally started jerking myself off, he got the picture. I respect these guys, they are people too, so I don't want to force him to do anything that he doesn't want to do, but then what do I get? Why are you even here? So anyway, today we took the BTS up to chatuchak market and wandered around for a few hours. Love this place, it's so big! I bought few clothes for myself, and I bought J some clothes as well, as well as lunch. Throughout the day I was thinking to myself, I don't want to spend the rest of the week with him, how am I going to break it to him gently. So we took the BTS back (him still on the phone, and nearly missed getting off the train as he was too engrossed with whatever he was playing), and when we got to the room he told me that he wanted to go back to his room to change clothes and get his ID, so I took the opportunity and told him that I wanted to spend a few days by myself and I would message him in a few days. He was okay with it, asked for 1000 baht to send to his mum, so I gave him 2000 baht because at this stage I wasn't sure it I was going to see him again. After he left I just felt kinda free. But I did think about it, what could I have done to make the situation better? Should I have spoilt him more? Should I have not smoked around him? Should I have just communicated better and let him know what I wanted? or was he just a dud? I don't know.. anyway, I wasn't upset or anything, just chalking it down to experience, and I'll do better next time. J did end up calling a little later asking if I was okay, and I said yes and just explained that I am not used to having someone with me all the time (I didn't tell him the real reason). A little later I went out to Silom Complex and ate at Bon Chon (really good fried chicken), bought some of those face masks that lots of Thais are wearing these days, and went across the road for a foot massage at Rapee. 250 baht and 200 baht tip because it was quite good. At the end he even did a bit of an arm, neck, back, and head massage, and even cracked my back, which I always think is hilarious for some reason when I hear all the popping noises. Day 3: to come soon!

I will arrive in Rio next Friday(10/25) will be there for a week and then head to São Paulo! i will not be going to Porto Alegre this trip, but will on my next trip. I will be staying at the apt in Ipanema which i have been renting for almost 9 years! it is literally across the street from the General Orsorio Metro station in Ipanema and 2 blocks from the gay beach at Posto 9. This trip 2 of the guys from SP asked if they could come up to Rio for 4 days. So they will be my bunk mates and in the late afternoon they will go meet friends at the beach and I will meet friends at the sauna, and we will reconvene around 10:00 or so to meet up for dinner! Since both they and me have been to Rio many times we won’t been doing any tourist things with the possible exception of Hang gliding which i really like doing there! On friday November 1st i am going to SP for 4 days and meeting 4 guys there and plan on going to Lagoa before it closes at that location.

Give Elite another try, @TotallyOz, it is indeed a good series, with quite a bit of young eye-candy. Of course, @Latbear4blk and I do not have the language problem, although I must say that for us LatinAmericans, Spanish from Spain can get annoying sometimes.

It really makes no sense for a metropolitan area of over 21.5 million people to have so few saunas with working garotos. There are 3 in Rio, 4 in Salvador, 3 in Recife, 2 in Fortaleza. That’s a big business waiting for the right investor. Hopefully, the relocated, downscaled, cozier Lagoa will thrive, so that there can at least still be two.

that can be safely said about any model and in fact any guy, there will be always those who look at him with awe all the way to those who will never get what's so attractive about this or that guy. This is lesson I learned from multiple visits of bars in company of other members. It's why recommendations as well as bad reviews must be always taken with pinch of salt and gulp of cold water. Picture says even less than words, two dimensional guy may look differently than live and warm on stage in three dimensions with broad smile ( and a shoulders ) or on opposite side with grumpy look " I don't like being here and I don't like you either" dissolving in acid all handsomeness or/and cuteness impression.

thank you for the link, I also noticed that Asian or at least south-east Asian guys don't like prolonged eye-contact and always are asking ' what?" when I look intense into their eyes but I soothe them with ' you are so handsome' response

LOL With that case of characters would there ever be any time for the boys to see others?

Thx a Lot vinapu for your Report, Can`t wai`t for my Trip to Thailand and the Phillipines in January.

Considering that Lion's club is already nearly bankrupt....no

I see this all too often. I have been there myself. But, I always tell people that falling in love with an escort and wanting to spend time with then are two different things. It rarely ends well. A relationship built on money is most always about money. That is hard to overcome. Recently, I had a friend that was telling me he was in love with a guy he met at a bar and was moving to Thailand to be with him and set up a house near the boy's family. I can't really say much other than, "are you sure this is a good idea?" The boy is still working and I see him when I visit the bars. But, this friend thinks he is not going with customers and only working there to spend time with this friends. Hard to argue with someone in love. Is it worth it?

I did not have anybody particular in mind but it happens very often in all places , I hope guy at least will look at me and fake a smile but to no avail so I'm forced to pass him on. It's why I offed only two Moonlight models (plus one who was not model yet when I offed him ) even if I like a look of almost all of them

don't look for excuses, look for ways of doing it, LOL For plenty of us here English is not a first nor even second language so don't worry

A Trip Report with my poor English Knowledge?? It's not a Pleasure.I know the Phillipines are not like Thailand.But maybe there are some Tourists for some Fun.

My typical answer is: "You are handsome, it is pleasure to watch you"

May the Lord open ...

Weather in the Philippines in January is cold, also pleasant I can say...

Govt is already strict on this...go go bars and massage places are always being raided by the police, so the best option is really Thailand, particularly BKK.

Very well said Vinapu, totally agree with you!!! I think your last paragraph may refer to two regular / floor boys of Moonlight, I just think they fit that descriptions, ha ha...

I do remember. And, I like your mantra. I have one right now that is pulling at my heart strings. He speaks perfect English and is fun and kind. But, he has no tattoos. So, not good for me. I need a bit of a bad boy to capture my attention.

Lol coz it is weird to stare. Kids usually stares when they looked at something ugly or weird, which parents will promptly told them not to stare. I guess thats why we dont stare lol

My only experiment with a parallel booking was on one occasion when the "other activities" visit allowed me to stay all the way to Sunday, with no meetings scheduled for Saturday. So I booked a room in La Residence for 2 nights (Friday and Saturday), allowing me to have nightly visitors, especially since my fancy official hotel was on the other side of the river. Waking up with boy in arms on Saturday morning, phone was without juice. Then "shit, phone is here but charger is there!". Sleepy boy had to be rushed through breakfast so that I could taxi over there to retrieve said charger. Got back to La Residence by midday to charge up the phone, and as soon as it had a bit of juice, mailbox was updated and one email in particular said, "Please open attachment".... which was the kind of attachment that I couldn't open on the phone. So rushed back to the other side of Chao Phraya again to turn on the laptop to read said email and open said attachment. And that was a day when I had no appointments to worry myself about. I've been wary of parallel bookings ever since, as you can imagine.

All through my very intensive hiring years in NY --and you know something about how intense my hiring was, @TotallyOz --, my primary rule was to avoid falling in love with one of the boys. It was difficult at times, and I had to exercise a lot of self-control, but I managed. The closest I came to breaking the rule was with with a stunner called Jason (you probably remember him, Oz), but I took cold “heart showers”, applied my big head to the situation, and escaped the fall. My mantra was —and still is— “fall in love with one boy at a time, and drop it when he leaves”. It has worked for me.

MunichCut - I hope you're not expecting the Philippines to be anything like Thailand. I've had short visits to Manila and everything, everything, is a mess including the "gay" scene. Outside the capital, it can be nice, but no scene at all.

I've found that many foreigners that travel to Thailand, fall into the same trap. And there is no talking sense to them until they are either broke or crying about how much of a fool they were. I remember I had a friend that thought his guy would go back to working n the farm whenever he would go back to USA, the kid had softer hand than me!! The Manager of the Ambiance said that my friends guy has at least 5 farang bf's that regularly send him money. Also that when more than one is in town at the same time is hilarious watching him try to juggle them, lol

I can never get over that SP for as large and populated it is only has 2 saunas with GP's.....and yes I'm joking, even Riobard realized that!

you are waiting for your trip and we are waiting for your report , LOL I don't know about Philippines but you should have very pleasant weather in Thailand in January

Goodness, you can find them anywhere and you don't need to have one on your first day. Go to the bars and meet some guys and take one with you. Tell them what you want and they will help you have a great time. You can find some other places but IMHO, you should meet them first to see that you are a good fit.

There actually are EEO laws in Brazil, and they do apply to independent contractors and temporary workers like sauna garotos. But ethnic diversity issues aside, I wouldn’t be interested at all (as an employee or as a client) if this is going to be yet another twink sauna. They couldn’t pay me enough. Sorry. @floridarob, you may be joking, but Ibwas discussing the possibility and viability of a sauna investment — except the city that needs another one isn’t Rio. It’s São Paulo.

I don't find him attractive at all ...

BTY, things DO work 'that way.' See as only our most recent proof point in America 'The Gilded Age.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

My limited Portuguese would likely have me saying something distorted like "I see that you are here on schedule to sleep with me and come in exchange for this envelope of cash" ... maybe I should be out of the running as liaison.

Well, Lyons (also spelled Lyon) is a good start to throw off nosy busybodies ... since it is located in s/e France near the Swiss border. However, prostitution is now illegal in France (Nordic model). A good start to confound the local Lapa constabulary, though. Officer Pereira da Silva Mendes is already nodding off or needing to check his Whatsapp,

Drew did great show with his buddies Steven Lee and Andy Sweet Victor Rom fisted his two buddies in particular hairy Julian Torres Max Adonis enjoyed being fucked on stage Some of the performers. Not many twinks there this year !!

Nice photoshoot?! @ Moonlight

Day 9 and final notes In the morning we did not drag things as I had flight to catch at noon, another in-style trip to Foodland in time for me to get that coveted 65 baht breakfast deal, rest of 450 bill were for whatever Oud consumed to maintain his musculature. 50 baht change went to hand of lady who served me and my boys quite a few times this trip , I don’t even start to think of what kind of reputation I have in her eyes but at least she must have noticed I like muscular specimens. Back to hotel, fact packing, last peek at the forum and off to Swampy by regular BTS / Airlink train way. I budgeted very well this trip without a need for last minute ATM withdrawals and found only 11 baht leftover change in my pocket. With no cleaner in sight I just placed it in tip box in one of food stands at the airport. Window seat to Taipei with very good view over Thailand , Laos and Vietnam and then over Taiwan. Connection time was short , just enough to check e-mails and forum and return flight was without any doubt my best long-haul flight ever ! Economy class was quite empty so I had whole row of seats in the middle section for myself enabling me to sleep in almost normal position . Out of my grand plans to read 4 numbers of THE ECONOMIST and 300 pages book only 1 ½ of magazine was utilized, rest I spent sleeping just like bourgeoisie in the business class. On arrival upon learning I’m coming from Thailand I was directed to go to regular channel for further interrogation but other officer was more sensible and just waved me away. 24 hours short of 5 minutes from time I closed door at Baan Silom I entered home , returning from Thailand for 20th time. Final reflections This was second time I went all the way just for 1 week, last year I had my doubts about sensibility of such short trip but it worked well. This time only confirmed what I knew already , yes it makes sense even with such long flight. GGOBKK once commented that on short trip we are more focused and I agree. GoldMember in another thread responded to 18past19’s query that ‘ short trip is better than no trip “ and I agree even more. With every day being different and being entertained by different guys and meeting so many members for the first time and few meeting again after some absence it actually feels I was there much longer than I did. So chances are in future I may repeat such a treat again and again. Going back in 27 days from return from previous trip was less a treat. Sometimes I had feeling that wow! and novelty buzz factor was bit diminished. Couple months gap would be better but nothing I could do, I learned about that opportunity only few days after I booked my end of Aug trip. So I could say yes or no but I only look stupid so yes was only option and I’d do the same tomorrow. If I knew earlier I’d probably just stay longer after end of this trip as coming earlier was not an option. Strong baht stings a bit and BKK prices are becoming serious, specially tips for long time . On another hand and it may be just coincidence at the moment , guys seem to drop time watching. It was almost universally me who was chasing them out of bed in the morning. With exception of Moonlight #9 I engaged only known quality and it worked. Pocket felt it but performances were worth expense. I had feeling that those guys really appreciate repeat custom and not because shortage of customers. It was first time ever then guy came to the room to apologize in person that he is not able to keep his side of agreed deal, usually they were no-show or decided in the room to announce change their mind. What I noticed also was that with one exception and even that was in the morning after we waked up anyways , none of the guys I was hosting turned on TV There’s some of sour grapes too. I universally ask my long time off if they are hungry before we go to hotel and also treat them if they wish with breakfast. I noticed some signs of abuse ie. they picked up most expensive dishes , usually seafood. It’s not fair when say 75% of 800 baht restaurant bill is spent on treating one’s guest. I did not mind so far but when it become too blatant and visible I resolved to watch that and veto if dish is too expensive or state up front that I have only 500 or whatever on me so watch what you order . Meeting with members is always pleasure and highlight of every trip , this time stars aligned even more and I managed to see for the first time Drim Voiz, CTCI8F,18past 19, Gold Member and reader after exchanging messages and reading reports for years. I’m happy Anddy become part of my adventure quite a few times this trip and that I managed to see Paulsf again as he arrived few days after I departed in Sept and kept seat warm for my return just 2 days before his departure. My apologies to Pattaya based members- williewillie , aussie_ and biguyby that I did not report my arrival but nature of this trip was such that I was not even sure I will be able to come to Pattaya at all until day before. Now back to great unknown: when will be next trip? I do my best next year as always but 2020 will not be my usual year and there are some fundamental things I need to take care of before I venture to LOS, But I will, that’s sure.

Agree. We will just have to agree to disagree. For now, anyway. Personally, I see E. Warren as almost the next coming of FDR. But then I suppose that sends you wretching to the toilet.

To repeat my specific point, there are plenty of areas where ‘progressive’ taxation on the very very rich — NOT the middle class — is something THEY, the rich, agree with. As advancing the rich’s OWN financial & material interests, by stabilizing society and thus making the middle class (who do most of the ‘purchasing’ that drives the economy) better able to do so. Your remark assigning ‘guilt’ to Gates, Buffett, et al. is, very frankly, beneath you. Your post is about onerous over-taxation of the middle class. Which the recent Republican tax ‘cuts’ that greatly benefited corporations will do. They will exact an enormous financial toll on that very middle class when those tax cuts without any offsetting spending reductions drive interest rates through the roof. Which of course will even more greatly profit the rich while ruining the middle and lower classes. My post was about something else entirely, which I have enumerated here just now in this post. I hope you can see the difference.

Put me in the line to buy some shares of the sauna if TomCal take over the management. It would become “the Mecca” of the boys... Would be compulsory to every gay guy to go there at least once during their lifetime ...

I tried watching this but the English speaking over the Spanish really gives me a headache.

Camera Privé sets their fees according to your currency location, eg if 99 reais BRZ is 99 USD for Americans. The admin is non-apologetic about it. There may be a work-around solution. I have not tried because I don’t think it is ‘all that’.

from what I recall he was non offable model