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It's always nice to be back here.. My first day was tiring but quite fun.. was able to manage meeting 3 boys on my first day of arrival. I landed around 8 am.. there was no line at the immigration, but had to wait for about 40 min for my checked luggage. I am not sure if it's because of low season or just because of the time of the day, there were plenty of taxi parked and I didn't see many tourists at the taxi stand outside. The traffic was bad on the way to Silom, but my check in to Raya was fast and smooth, done in like 3 min. it was around 10 am, so I was able to catch their breakfast at the hotel 4th floor dinning room. After a shower and a power nap, the first place I went to was nothing but our good old Arena. it was around 4:30 pm when I got there.. there were about 20 plus guys.. Since it was my second time to this place, I felt like a very well experienced client .. this time, i didnt need to use their small dirty restroom to calm down my nerves like my first time.. I chose someone named Kong, a nice guy with an amazing well defined body, but with an average looking face.. zero massage skills (well I didn't go to Arena for a proper massage anyways, so it's all good), a super horny guy...he cum ahead of me.. and once more after me.... amazing fun! I took his contact info and will probably try to see him one more time before I fly back. Then I took a taxi back to my hotel, took another quick nap, showered and relaxed in the hotel room since I had a plan to go pick up the model boy from moonlight at 11:00 pm. the initial arrangement was to go meet mamasan and the model boy in front of the moonlight at 11:30 pm, but around 10:15 pm, I changed my mind, decided to enter the club to see their new show.. I got there just before the show.. the regular floor boys were parading on the stage.. many new faces.. mamasan welcomed me and gave me a back seat on the side of the stage in the dark as I always prefer.. the model boy came out to sit with me for a few minutes before the show started.. the show was great.. I have a lot more to comment on their show.. the place was almost completely packed with Asian guests.. mamasan said "no farang". I didn't wait till the end of the show, but left with the model boy after he finished his part.. back in the hotel room, I realized that the model boy has improved remarkably as I predicted after my first encounter with him about 6 months ago.. he left my hotel around 1 am.. the third and last boy of the day was brought to me by the moonlight mamasan at around 1:45 am.. not much to comment on him. he was just another regular floor boy from moonlight.. spent about 1.5 hours with me, left my hotel around 3:15 or so. as soon as he left, once my head touched the pillow, I passed out... The end of my first day.

Nice, get the beautiful model boy to get yoy all horny and finished up with more pliable floor guy. U are living a king's lifestyle on the first day!

I guess LT is very flexible definition. I remember many years ago when a boy asked me if we can do LT and I agreed to my astonishment the next day he showed up at my condo with all his stuff and left his rented room ,to my horror he understood that I allegedly agreed to be his boyfriend! It took me almost a week to get rid of him and he eventually left with tears. Very awkward situation.

Three boys in one day! Bravo!

given that it was after the massage, I just assumed it was sign that the massage was truly spectacular.

do I read it correctly or I have a stroke ? You took taxi from Arena to Raya ? That's extravagance of Thai boy level ( I had once request to take taxi from old Jupiter, now Moonlight to Tarntawan) Congratulation of great and fun filled first day , now we are all curious who happy model was , just teasing, LOL

uhm well the easiest and guaranteed to be effective way is to simply as for two room keys when checking in. When booking a double room (which most are anyway) it is (or should be) standard procedure (at least to me) to issue two keys

welcome back! Incredibly busy 3-boy day.... No way I could manage that haha, chapeau! So should we meet up as discussed earlier in this thread?

Boracay! Finally! Please welcome our new guide on the World famous Boracay island (Philippines) - Jay-em. Jay-em is 22 yo, has experience in hospitality and tourism. Main job: manual therapist in local medical center. Languages: English and Tagalog. Full profile, more pictures and booking are here: https://siamroads.com/jay-em-guide-boracay/

Finally booked my flights. Arrive in Mexico City on October 28 and return home to SF on November 5. Decided I want to be there for día dos muertes weekend. Nine days should be enough time for all the sexual, political and cultural activities I want to experience. Wish me a fab time!

I have feeling I know what guy you are talking about, LOL

Ive yet to experience boy reluctant to leave room, and im not sure if i am consistent but i usually offer the guy breakfast with me when offing them. Some boys will ask what ill do after breakfast, and sometimes offer themselves to be my company for that activities, which then up to me to say yes to the proposal or not. On one ocassion, took a guy on ST, mid afternoon, but i enjoyed him so much i proposed him to stay with me 3 hour more for additional tips, and seeing him undressing once again is definitely worth the while lol.

https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/brazil/u-s-dollar-will-remain-at-or-above-r4-for-a-while-longer-project-analysts/ The Rio Times U.S. Dollar Should Remain Near R$4 Through Year-end, Analysts Project In the year to date, there was a net outflow from Brazil of almost US$9 billion, compared to an inflow of more than US$20 billion in the same period in 2018. By Richard Mann - October 1, 2019 RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL - There is, among economists, the concept of fair value of an asset, but as well as tourists who postpone their travel plans abroad, most of these experts have not considered the new value of the dollar, around the R$4.15, to be right. There are explanations of why the U.S. currency has gone up, and nothing indicates that it will fall anytime soon, to the disappointment of those who have planned to take vacations abroad.

Andy is Brazilian, Gaucho from Rio Grande do Sul. He resides in Barcelona, you will have to go over there to hire him. He is reachable, and very friendly, through his Twitter. If you are a fan, you may want to check Rhyheim Shabazz' fans page. There are at least two very hot scenes with Andy riding Rhyheim's dick.

For me LT is usually overnight and if its someone new to me I always just say 'overnight'...so when they wake up and want to (eventually) depart...that's it over. Some sleep till 9am Some sleep till 1pm Some sleep till 4pm !!! (but that was after a very heavy night at the disco) My regulars will just prowl around the condo usually watching TV or borrowing my tablet till the afternoon sometimes (up to them)...unless I have another 'guest' due

After Trump invokes the Civil War, his mockers on Twitter rush to sign up From WaPo.

Awesome, looking forward for the report. And hoping the sauna will do this kind of special guest often lol

Last Friday, from about 20 guys on display, half muscular. Only one of them was shredded muscle. Number 38, Tiger. But as Vinapu once wrote. You only need one

Yummy. Will probably check it out. Will report.

If anyone in the city this coming weekend, and love japanese guy, like in the pic, do go and have fun there and maybe report to us, the not so lucky guys who arent there. Lol

Thanks Oz. Both for the compliment, and for pulling this thread back to what Adam obviously originally intended. I would like to make a whole bunch of additional comments, with the same forward-looking and hopeful spirit your post embodied. And sorry. I'll be very long-winded. You can't seriously discuss political strategy on decriminalizing prostitution in Trump-sized tweets. Realistically, there are two ways in which I can see something real happening. The bad news way would be if we all wake up tomorrow morning and DHS or DOJ or some other federal or state or local agency shut down Rentmen, or Daddy's, or this website. The good news way would be if Warren or Sanders or Harris (or maybe someone else, like Mayor Pete) were elected, and that created an opportunity to push legislation with a "friendly" President and Congress. I've read the article Adam posted repeatedly, plus many other recent ones. If you read what the Democratic Presidential candidates like Warren and Sanders and Harris actually said about decriminalization, I have my doubts about how serious they are. Which was, of course, Adam's initial point. And it is ironic. Because if there is anyone who should be open to decriminalizing prostitution, it is our current President. He seems to have a habit of hiring them (or at least hanging around with strippers and porn stars). And of hanging around with men who hired them or even helped traffick them, like Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not holding my breath on Trump getting on the side of women and children being trafficked. So to create any real political momentum, I think it means either something really bad has to happen, or we elect a Democrat and then use that as a springboard to propose legislation. Again, there are threads on Guy's right now based on really good WSJ reporting that indicate the problem of trafficking of prostitutes has not gone away. And websites have moved overseas where it is actually harder to do anything about it. The Feds are still basically flailing around. At best they are playing "whack a mole", and at worst they are doing stupid shit that everybody predicted - correctly - would make the real problems even harder to get a handle on. In my mind, it fits perfectly with Trump's "Wall" bullshit. Big talk, lots of flailing around, but no real solutions. To the degree that Trump has made progress, like by forcing women and kids seeking asylum to live in tents in Mexico, the principle boils down to this: let's take women and children whose lives are already unimaginably miserable, and try to figure out how to make their lives total hell. Let's turn the victims into the people we blame. Let's make them suffer. Maybe that sounds like a slam on Trump. And it is. But it's more than that. Timing and context matter. As Gay men, I think we are in a better position than we were even a few years ago. Because if you look at the big picture of what the federal government is doing to combat either prostitution or trafficking, it is not working. It is a fucking national nightmare. Assuming we are now past character attacks and on to a positive discussion of the issue, there's a couple things I avoided saying that I'd like to really stress. Had I used the language about "80 year olds" I think I would have been, and probably should have been, attacked. First, it's not true. I know Guy's website better than this one. But I doubt the average person reading this is 80 years old. Second, even if you are 80, who cares? Trump and his three leading opponents are all in their 70's. There was an ageist undertone to several posts above that implied (although, to be clear, didn't state) that older Gay men are over the hill geezers who have nothing better to do than sit around and look at pictures of hot young muscle guys, and maybe hire them if they feel up to it. That stereotype is bullshit, and I think everybody knows that. One of the reasons DHS fucked up on their first crack at taking down Rentboy is their complaint read like an attack on older Gay men as being sex perverts, who have nothing better to do with their time then smell the gym shoes and piss-infused jock straps of young guys. DHS did clean their act up after a lot of criticism. So by the time Jeffrey was dragged into court the focus had shifted to maybe a few Hungarian male escorts being trafficked, or maybe Rentboy doing lax age verification of Asian "boys". (I don't think any of the few allegations about trafficking or underage prostitutes made were ever actually proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt. Jeffrey folded because they took all his money, and the community did not really rally behind him.) So I will say it again. The reason I dragged Ollie and Eppie and community leaders like them into this discussion is that if we are ever actually going to try to do something, it is EXACTLY people like them that would need to get involved. Period. And we would need to intentionally create as many options as possible, both public (like in the media) and private (like in small meetings with Congressional staff) to do so. The people who come to the pool party, or who post both on this website or Guy's website, are EXACTLY the kind of people I would want walking into a room with me if I were going to meet with a US Senator or their staff. They are liberals, moderates, conservatives, Gay and out, closeted, retired school teachers, retired Republican state officials, retired millionaire tech investors. These are respected and respectable US citizens who can make a case about how nothing we do is criminal, or should be perceived in any way as criminal activity. So if the starting point of discussion is that we are going to magically conjure up the notion that everybody here is a "retired 80 year old", let's not bother. And if anyone truly believes that the work should be done by mythical stallions - you know, all the "young firebrands" with sharp brains and huge muscles and endless energy and, I daresay, extremely well hung penises - you should be reading the porn section, not the politics section. It's a fantasy. There is a corollary principle. When I actually was a hot young organizer in my 20's, an organizer friend of mine teased me by putting a Chinese fortune on my "in" box where dozens of people in our office could see it. The fortune read: "In youth and beauty, wisdom is rare." There is much truth to that. So now let me tell a specific story that makes a point. When Jeffrey got busted, by DHS, I looked up the members of the House and Senate oversight committees that regulated DHS. Maybe about half the House members were from big cities or urban areas where I could personally name either male escorts or clients, or both, who live in or near the district. It is a long shot to think we could walk into a meeting with a US House member or their staff and win by saying something like this: "What the hell is this about? The Gay community is outraged about this attack! The federal agency you have oversight over is taking down an innocent Gay man. They are exposing the financial records and past times of lots of Gay men, many of whom likely contribute to your campaigns. We understand the problem you are trying to solve, but you are only going to make it worse. What the hell was DHS thinking?" Like I said, it's a long shot. But I personally thought it was worth a try. And at least we would have had a history, where we could now actually say years later that the problem was not solved. It just shifted overseas, and it is actually is therefore marginally worse. One of the members of the House oversight committee at that time was Rep. Loretta Sanchez, who represented a suburban LA district. Her Orange County district actually was and is a hot bed for the trafficking of Latin American women. So I called up a male escort I know in LA who is active in the Sex Workers Organizing Project (SWOP). A few general points. I really respect the work SWOP has done in various communities, based on things I've read. And I understand that I don't know shit about actually organizing on this issue. I was a successful lobbyist at the federal and state level, and I've worked with many Members of Congress and their staff to get laws passed. But I can't say I know the ins and outs of this issue. Finally, to avoid getting attacked again, I won't name the escort I had this discussion with. But I will say if we want to be effective, these are exactly the kinds of debates we should be having - openly. I spent an hour on the phone with this escort. And after I got off the phone I just wanted to beat my head against the wall. The basic idea I heard was that meetings with someone like Rep. Sanchez are a waste of time. Or worse, it will just give them more reason to hate us. The cops and the politicians are against us, period. They won't listen. It is useless. I'll repeat what I already said. Maybe this guy is right. I've never actually tried it, although I would have been happy to try. I can say that when FOSTA/SESTA was happening there were a few other SWOP chapters in other states that were posting online reports about meetings with Members of Congress, basically saying things like: They want to hear from us. They are listening. If you care about this issue, go meet with them now. Here's something funny, given my alleged "turning on" Ollie and Eppie. You know who the first person I called was when I got off the phone with this sex worker? Epigonos! We both pride ourselves, hopefully not too naively, on being good political whores. So I think I said something like, "Can I just whine about a phone call I just had?" And his message to me was somewhere in the ballpark of: "What the hell did you expect? These people don't have a clue what they are doing." And he was too polite to say, "Really? You really think you're going to walk into Sanchez's office and they will listen to you?" I know he doesn't particularly admire her, either, for a different set of reasons. And, as I already said, he had made it clear that he had no personal desire to get involved. So if somebody reading this wants to say I am turning on Epigonos, go ahead. In fact, I called him because he is someone I view as a smart political whore, which is what I like to think I am. And if we have any hope of doing anything, these are exactly the types of discussions we need to have. Openly, and respectfully. As it turns out, I'm now in a better position to do something in Orange County than I was a few years ago. Last year I sent $100 a month all Fall to Rep. Levin, Rouda, and Cisneros. They are all House Democrats who won close elections for US House seats, and will be running for re-election in close races for 2020. So I could tell them I'm a male escort. But I'd be more likely to say something like this: "I'm a Gay man who gave to your campaign and will give in 2020. And some Gay men would like to come meet with the Rep or his staff to talk about an issue of great concern both to Gay men and to immigrant communities that are being horribly victimized." I think something in that ballpark would be a good start. Especially if half a dozen other male escorts and professional Gay men who hire escorts who live in the district (there are many to choose from) walked into such a meeting with me. My larger point is that for anything to work, I think it would likely have to involve something like two-thirds clients, one-third escorts or sex workers. Some of that has to do with age. Older clients would be able to talk about the fact that they are not sex perverts, and they are respected and decent Gays professionals. It would also matter that they are the kind of people who vote, and give money to political campaigns. And some of it also has to do with math. I will keep repeating that this is a lot like same sex marriage at its core: we have more power than we think we have. We are present, and could be organized, in almost every Congressional district in the US. And if you look at it that way, there are way more clients than escorts in those Congressional districts. Having a federal lobby day like Survivors of SESTA did in DC last year, where "three dozen" sex workers showed up, is not going to cut it. On the other hand, I'm quite sure we could organize private meetings with Members of Congress or their staff in three dozen Congressional districts. And, eventually, in 300 Congressional districts. If we really wanted to. If we had a President saying she or he was open to decriminalization and wanted to focus law enforcement on fighting sex and labor trafficking, that would help a lot, too. Just to really drive home this point, let me tell another story that will sound like bragging, about two meetings I had with a top aide of a leading Democrat in the California state legislature. The politician I am referring to is now the Mayor of a large city, and the aide I met with was himself a Gay man. The first meeting happened during a huge lobby day about a decade ago at the state capitol in Sacramento, when we were pushing to get a law passed to move the ball along on same sex marriage. So I'm in a large hearing room with maybe 50 people, and we were supposed to be meeting with our State Senator from San Francisco. There was a fuck up, and the guy who walked in the room was a top aide to a Democratic Senator from some other part of the state. Like I said, he's Gay. And he has a partner. So he is totally on our side. But everybody is confused because we're all just volunteers on a lobby day. And we thought we'd be meeting with our Gay Senator, not this dude. So there's just this awkward couple of minutes where nobody knows what's going on. So I stood up and took over and thanked the guy for his boss's leadership, and pivoted the discussion for the next 30 minutes or so to talking about what we can all do as individuals to really light a fire under this issue and move the people who are not in the room, and who are opposed to us. It was a good discussion. And maybe it is just my dementia, but I swear to God that I recall at one point the Gay Senator's aide referred to me as "the handsome and articulate young man." So I got a call from this guy about two months later. Which is a little weird, seeing as how he didn't know my name, and I hadn't given him my phone number. He was actually calling Steven Kesslar. He did use his real first name. And we talked enough that I figured out pretty quickly who he was. I figured if we got together he would likely recognize my face, and might feel uncomfortable. So I felt like I should tell him that I knew who he was, and we'd actually been at a meeting together recently. His reaction was completely nonplussed. We got together anyway, and had a good time. So to make the point obvious, here it is. If we actually tried to organize on this issue, and went and met with Members of Congress or their staff, we have no idea who these people really are. We do know that there may have been a very handsome and muscular Member of Congress who is Republican, and secretly Gay. (At least from the pictures of him shoving his hand down some guy's crotch at Coachella). We do know there was a Republican US Senator who got busted for coming on to guys in airport bathrooms. Gay men allege sexual contact with Senator Craig I look at this way. Even in a deep red state like Idaho, we have at least one older gentleman (he's 74 now) who could make a really good lobbyist for decriminalization. Putdowns of real closet queens aside, I can tell you this based on personal experience, both as a former lobbyist and male escort. We would meet lots and lots of friends, and make lots of allies along the way. Again, I think we have more power than we think we have. We have never won by hiding in the closet. I see no reason to feel we have to hide in the closet on this issue. I feel very comfortable in my own skin, whether I am a volunteer for a political cause or someone on one side or the other of the male escort "profession". You should, too. There is no reason to be ashamed, or afraid. There is another thing I will repeat, because it is very basic to this discussion and I think needs to be beaten to death. The thing that is most easily used against us is the idea that we are breaking the law, we are perverts, this is morally wrong, this is evil, we are up to no good - blah blah blah - or any variation of those themes. Part of what we have going for is is that all those stereotypes are just wrong. To paraphrase Lucky, most people are simply not inclined to look at an "80 year old" Gay man as a criminal mastermind, simply because he likes the companionship of a handsome young college student who spends a lot of time at the gym. I don't really know what message would work on this issue, because we have made zero effort as a community to test it. I know many of the best LGBTQ organizers in the country. I know what ended up working on same sex marriage could be summarized by The Economist this way: "Hearts, not heads." Appeals to principles of fairness or "basic rights" worked okay. But what ultimately worked better was appeals from the heart. Anybody who had a Gay son or a lesbian aunt could relate to the idea that we all just want to be able to fall in love and get married, Gay or straight. Heads and hearts: What victorious gay-marriage campaigners can teach others I'm just a dumb and unprincipled whore, so I may be wrong. But I at least have a theory of how we could win on this issue. Rule # 1 of community organizing is you always have to be prepared to fight David and Goliath battles. A more intellectual way of saying that is that you have to figure out how to use the power of the system against itself. Right now, I'd argue, Elizabeth and Bernie are giving master classes on what that means. Which is why in every poll their percentage of the vote combined far exceeds what Joe Biden is getting. It's going to come down to a vote for the system, versus those who want to change the system. And the people who want to shake up the system are winning, bigly. But that's a different post. In our case, the power of the system boils down to cops who bust men who hire prostitutes, and the Moral Marys who defend those cops. And certainly a lot of elected officials, some of whom are utter hypocrites - like our President, and Sen. Craig, and the always lovely and perpetually confused Rep. Shock. I think the bumper sticker for our fight goes like this: 1) Gay men are not the problem. 2) Gay men can and should use what we learned on same sex marriage to focus the country on the real and growing problem: the massive and inhumane victimization of innocent women and children. Every year, countless women and children are trafficked, forced into prostitution or labor, raped, beaten, and even murdered. Again, read the Senate floor debate on FOSTA/SESTA. It all came down to a heart wrenching story about an underage Black prostitute who was trafficked, raped, and murdered. Shutting down Rentboy and enacting FOSTA/SESTA did nothing to solve the real problem. Arguably, they actually made the problem worse, by driving websites overseas where they are harder to control under US law. I did enough homework to know that Rep. Sanchez was a strong advocate of women and kids in her former district who were being trafficked. My guess is that the US Reps in Orange County I helped elect feel a lot like she did about this issue. What do Gay men have to do with this? Number one, websites like this one do not contribute to this national nightmare. Number two, we know a thing or two about how to move people to focus on real problems that lead to real solutions. I could go on and on and on about how brave leaders like Senator Paul Wellstone and his wife Sheila knew what it would really take. And it was no coincidence that Paul was a mastermind organizer, and Sheila was a profoundly moral woman with a heart of gold. Their genius was to know that what they had to do was empower the women and kids as best they could. You help them rat out the evil men who are raping, abusing, and even killing them. You give them T-visas. You hook them up with law enforcement and social services. That is why Paul and Sheila's Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA) was and still is the best piece of federal legislation to deal with both prostitution and trafficking of women and kids. What do Gay men have to do with this? Pretty much nothing. Except that we have a self interest in not having our websites and hobbies and reputations attacked. And whether we are 80 or 30, it actually turns out that we are really decent people, who make good organizers and good allies. Like I said, I don't have a clue. But if we ever choose to fight, I for one would have a hell of a lot of fun. And I think this is somewhere in the ballpark of how we could actually win.