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Put me in the line to buy some shares of the sauna if TomCal take over the management. It would become “the Mecca” of the boys... Would be compulsory to every gay guy to go there at least once during their lifetime ...

But you know what they say about people with a sweet tooth owning a candy store, Or a drug dealer that uses.....

I do not know what you are waiting for. You should take over management and make it your sauna. I doubt anyone else knows more about the business, from all of its sides.

117 has been operating 21 consecutive years! and the one huge advantage over its competitors...Monique Owns the building! Something pointe202, Meo mundo and Lagoa don’t which is why they are subject to the owners selling it for a profit when land prices go up as is the case with Lagoa and could be the case with Pointe(the bldg is owned by the family that owns the Atlantic hotels) Also, and this is conjecture on my part, but Monique is married(or was)to a Argentinian Millionaire and doesn’t need 117 to fund her ski trips to Europe or Chile! 117 is special to her and as long as her managers do a adequate job and she makes some money on it she will continue operating it!

@Tomcal's sauna Inauguration Day.

I'm all on board for people doing whatever they want and like, but to clarify there are lots of "full service" shops where the price is all inclusive so you don't need to negotiate. (I tend to avoid the places where you have to negotiate.). Usually these are the nicer places with the best selection of guys -- Prince, VCK, Senso, Nine, Urban Male, MG, etc., etc. Overall the costs end up being roughly the same as taking someone from a gogo bar (or even bit less) . 1,500 tips are pretty standard (although there are a lot at 1,200) and a one hour massage might be 900 (or less), so you can get away with 2,400+/-. At a gogo bar the off fee might be 300-500 depending on where, plus you have to pay the drink/cover charge, plus possibly a drink for the guy, and then there's the 2,000 common s/t here in BKK, so it all ends costing roughly the same. Of course getting a guy from an app is likely to be cheaper because there are none of the "house" charges.

You just explained why it obviously will not with your work experience. Less competition for 117 keeps them longer in business and me very happy.

The topic heading could just as easily be “relationships ruining threesomes?”

I agree that the cost long time in thailand is really very cheap even compared with neighboring country, malaysia. Due to exchange rate, short time and massage plus service here is cheaper but with much less choices of course. Long time, kinda hard to find, can go upward 3-4 times more than short time rate here, but that is without drinks, off fee, tips to mamasan etc and still higher here than in thailand. I only did a couple of long time here, one quoted me rm800 (5.8k baht) and cost to get a boy long time in bangkok 3-4k tip + 2 drinks (me + boy) + off fee + mamasan tip + taxi money (some guy) can go to 4.3k - 5.9k. Even cheaper in pattaya when some guys will go LT for 2k and drinks prices are much lower too. And for repeat guys who i habe their contact, it is even much cheaper since i only need to pay the LT tip plus off fee.

“show must go on “ show led by #28

For those who haven’t been there, i would make plans real soon because it may close very soon! Due to Internal strife between the “Owners” it probably has better then a 80% chance of closing by 10/15 I really like the sauna but lack of adequate working capital, plus having owner/management who know nothing about running a sauna and speak Zero Portuguese, i believe imho it is not going to last! when i first got out of college i worked for Dun & Bradstreet evaluating new businesses and rating them for their chance of success. The First Two things you look for are 1) Enough working capital for the first year of operation without having to take out loans(Lions has zero and haven’t paid last months rent!) and 2)Experience in operating the type of business endeavor they are starting! (the one owner has no experience running a Sauna or bar or club...speaks zero Portuguese and a few other issues i won’t state here on a public forum! i hope they make it because Rio could use a new sauna and the facility is really nice!

I just laughed my ass off when I read this article. What Is CrowdStrike and Why Is Donald Trump Blabbering About It to Ukraine

Been here 8 months, aint tired of it yet.

As of 19 July this year’s travellers from Australia to Brazil will no longer need a visa. Blessed relief! It used to be a bureaucratic nightmare. This is progress!

Interestingly I play bridge with someone who once played with Bill Gates. Best regards, RA1

Make no mistake ... the “prospect” in question has long ago earned his patch and has no problem multitasking, breaking ground and having fun at the same time ...

Life is full of irony, isn't it? I understand what you are trying to say about the impact of the Clinton impeachment on the 1998 midterms - not the 2000 Presidential election. Here's a line I stole from somewhere about the 1998 midterms and the subsequent revolt against Gingrich that captures the irony of that situation. Feel free to steal it from me: Bill Clinton got a blow job. And Newt Gingrich lost his job over it. Here's another irony, in light of Monicagate and its presumed impact on Gore's loss in 2000: Bill and Hillary Clinton are still married. Al and Tipper Gore are not. Then again, history usually gets things right. Al Gore won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on climate change. Trump may or may not be convicted after impeachment. But he won't win a Nobel for his efforts. History will likely remember Gore as ahead of the curve on climate change. History will likely remember Trump as one of the latest corrupt climate change deniers.

‘Life is a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel.’ — La Rochefoucauld (or another one of that crowd, can’t quite recall)

I agree...117 is something unique across the world...I've always told you that. It might have slow days, but overall the quality is very high as is the quantity and the accountability of the management, which has always done a great job. So it's true that Lions is already overdue with rent payments.

Interesting thread @BlkSuperman I really enjoyed 3somes and 4gies when single. I favour every couple openly discussing their sexual needs and desires. If something works for that couple, so be it. The opinions of others are simply irrelevant. But in a relationship, I’m monogamous - OK I’m a serial monogamist. It suits my partner and me.

What you wrote makes sense - if the replacement sauna will be located in the Consolação area. However, I was told it would be located in Higienopolis, one block from the metro stop. Rodolfo refuses to give out the exact address of the new facility. Why the address is kept secret does not appear to make much sense. It seems rather childish to refuse to advise clients and garotos of the new address considering clients and garotos are the sole source of revenue to Rodolfo. We do not know that the new location will be Consolação as you wrote. It might be, however. Even my Brazilian friend, who I have known for years and who runs around occasionally with Rodolfo, does not know the location address for the replacement sauna even though he asked Rodolfo on various occasions. It seems childlike to keep clients and garotos guessing where the replacement facility will be located. I don't think Rodolfo's customers enjoy that kind of suspense. When Lagoa first opened, it had three equal partners. The first partner to die did not like Rodolfo so he left his one-third ownership interest to Edgarde which meant that Edgarde owned two-thirds of Lagoa and Rodolfo owned one-third after the death of the first partner. Then Edgarde died and left a mess with his estate. After much negotiating, Rodolfo ended up with Edgarde's two-thirds ownership and now owns one hundred percent of Lagoa. When there were three partners running Lagoa, operations went smoothly. When Edgarde owned two-thirds, Edgarde made the important decisions and the sauna ran well. Then Edgarde got sick and died. Now with Rodolfo being the sole owner, we often see disorganization and child like decisions about a replacement sauna. The nonsense of keeping the new address a secret (except to workman/contractors) appears to lack logic. I am wondering if there really will be a replacement sauna given all the contradictions to date plus the secret about the address of the new facility. Rodolfo told my friend that if the new address is disclosed, clients and garotos will go to the new facility and think the sauna is closed and he will lose money. That seems like a lame excuse. Even the date for opening the new facility keeps changing. If there are competent contractors setting up the new facility, it should not require changing the opening date from October to November and then to the middle of December. If the new facility is, in fact, located in the Consolação district (as you wrote), I suspect the sauna will not do as well as it does in its current location. If it is located in Higienopolis, it could do well. Over the years of my many visits to Brazil, I have seen countless saunas come and go. Some saunas seemed stable and were fun. Then, suddenly, without warning or a hint of any problem, they closed. Things happened that fast with the saunas I saw close. When will we know the actual opening date for the replacement sauna for Lagoa? When will we know its location address? Why is the address a secret? At one point, Rodolfo shared that the replacement sauna will be only one block from the Higienopólis-Mackenzie metro station. Now, it is anyone's guess.

hmmmm....that they are in the appropriate profession??! :-)

Because you turned down your hearing aid??

.....maybe you're not going to the right places? Certainly lots of places with any and all the kinds sex you want, at least in BKK.

Sept 16 vinapu wrote: ...I also booked one night at LeCafe Royal , if only to see how it looks after renovations and closure. At 20 $ I could afford such experiment. It was only hotel that trip where they wanted to hold on to my guest ‘s ID , who would think? Rooms are painted white and so is furniture. Bit psychedelic violet light but when you torn it of and again on , it becomes normal white one. I was there 12 days (of which 3 days I was sick in the room) and never figured out those damn lights(off then on again=white) . I actually tried to thank the maid for changing out the lights to white bulbs. When I went back to the room again they turned violet again. Anyway they are "black lights" and made it look like I had a tan. They get old in a hurry. Worried about the decibels of music downstairs versus the integrity of the mortar in the structure.

OH?? A new word for an American... I also enjoyed Vinapu's meandering journey in beautiful Thailand!!

I’m a bit sad that this report has ended. It’s been a joy following your peregrinations and it was fun being part of them even if only for a part of an evening. Being one who reports on travels to the Forum, I can only be awed by your sense of humor and your ability to recall so much. Thanks...hope our paths again cross.

Support for impeachment jumps in new poll Wow. This is a pretty remarkable shift. It's the second poll out in 24 hours that shows a plurality or even a majority of Americans are open to the idea of impeaching POTUS. This poll is even worse news for Trump, I think, in that it doesn't include the "IF" clause in the poll I posted above. Meaning "IF" it's "proven" that Trump suspended aid to Ukraine to push Ukraine's leaders to investigate Biden and his son. Here's how the question in this poll was worded: Table POL1: As you may know, the first step toward removing a president from office is impeachment. Do you believe Congress should or should not begin impeachment proceedings to remove President Trump from office? https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016d-6ecb-dbb7-a16d-7feb39630002 Those are the cross tabs for the poll, which offer more detail that I think is just bad news for Trump. The 43 % who say they oppose impeachment corresponds with 41 % who "strongly" or "somewhat" approve of Trump. Just like with Nixon in the 70's, my guess is that even if we proved that Trump is the Antichrist, he'd go down with 40 % + of Americans saying that what Democrats did to him was a sin. That also leaves close to 60 % who are at least open to consider impeaching Trump. The other bad news for Trump is that a very small plurality of Independents now favor impeachment: 39 % for, 36 % opposed, the rest no opinion or undecided. My guess is that it is likely to only get worse for Trump, at least in the short term. The reason I included the cross tabs is that the results change ever so slightly when you add detail to the impeachment question, and ask it like this: Table POL4: As you may know, according to news reports, President Trump told senior administration officials to withhold military aid from Ukraine. This occurred days before President Trump pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate allegedly corrupt behavior by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who worked with a Ukrainian natural gas company. Sometimes in surveys like this, people change their minds. Based on what you know now, do you believe Congress should or should not begin impeachment proceedings to remove President Trump from office? When asked this way, the margin of support for impeachment among all voters increased a few points, to 44 % for/41 % against. Support among Independents shifted one point, to 39 % for/35 % against. That's meaningless statistically. But as the article says, many of the people polled hadn't even heard about the last day or two of disclosures. As more information comes out, there is reason to think it will not make people feel sympathetic to Trump. For example, it's an allegation rather than a fact that a career diplomat who was the US Ambassador to Ukraine was fired because she would not "play ball" with Ghouliani's "hard ball" tactics. But in politics perception is reality. If people start to see it that way, watch out below, Rudy and Donald. Same thing if they start to feel the President and all his men tried to cover up the verbatim electronic record of the call, as the whistle blower alleges. There's one final slice of bad news for Trump, I think, embedded in the cross tabs of this poll. 41 % of Independents "strongly" disapprove of Trump's job performance, and 19 % "somewhat" disapprove of his job performance. On the face of it, it is bad news for Trump that 60 % of Independents disapprove of how he is doing his job. It's likely that most of the 39 % of Independents who favor impeachment are the ones who "strongly" disapprove. And if there is any group of voters that is likely to be moved by cold hard facts as opposed to partisanship, it is probably lukewarm Independents. My guess is that as the facts we are just learning get beaten to death by the media and Democrats, there's a good chance that a majority of Independents - arguably even something as high as 60 % - could end up favoring impeachment. We'll see. This is all a huge shift from where voters were at earlier this year, right after the Mueller report came out: Trump’s Popularity Hits Record Low as Support for Impeachment Wanes To make sure it's completely clear, that's from a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll from April of this year. Back then, Independents were opposed to impeachment: 44 % against, 31 % for, the rest undecided. So Republicans of course have their heels dug in. But both Democrats and Independents are shifting, rapidly. I've read a bunch of articles today about what Pelosi and the "swing" moderate Democrats who shifted in the last few days are thinking. It seems like it boils down to two words: "smoking gun". And maybe a third: 2020. It's one thing to talk about something that happened in 2016, that Mueller never produced an absolutely compelling smoking gun for. The feeling or gamble now seems to be that we have a smoking gun. And in this case it was aimed at Democrats running in 2020. Nancy was definitely speaking up loud and clear and on message today: The final thing I'll say is that the silence on the part of most Senate Republicans is deafening. Of course, as always, The Divine Miss Graham is on message as Trump's Secretary Of Cocksucking. He's arguing that it's not Trump's fault that the Dept. of Defense just wanted to do a "policy process" before they released the money to Ukraine. We all of course know that one thing Donald Trump always insists on is an absolutely thorough and fair "policy process", right? Come to think of it, that's probably why they got a 25 year career diplomat Ambassador with a great reputation out of the way, and Trump's beloved sidekick, Rudy Ghouliani, ran with the ball. That had to be all about having the very best "policy process", right? Reading between the lines, the fact that Miss Graham isn't engaging in the kind of histrionics that won her an Oscar for her performance at the Kavanaugh hearings is itself a subtle tell on what's going on right now. Most Senate Republicans - you know, the White guys who would have to vote to convict - are not saying a word right now. To me that says a whole hell of a lot. I suspect they are just scared.

One scenario of 3some may cause issues. For example, if this couple consists of a sugar daddy and a younger financially dependent husband (in relationship for the money and good life). Their threesome may bring a lot of complicate issues.

Thank you for your report!

Thank you for both daily and the summary reports. A lot of useful information for my next trip, particularly about Bangkok, which I plan to visit this time, after some years.

This is bad bad bad for Trump. Here's the redacted whistleblower letter. As one Democratic Senator said off the record a few days ago, it is in fact worse than the non-transcript "lipstick on a pig" version the White House put out: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf It is going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. The memo has as much to do with the endemic corruption in Ukraine as it has to do with the endemic corruption of Team Trump. Which is to say, it is very confusing. Arguably, that works to Trump's advantage, because he can try to say it's whatever he wants it to be. More likely, I'd guess, the American people will sniff out the corruption in this, and say that if it stinks like shit, it probably is shit. It's also time to resurrect the Watergate bumper sticker: "the cover up is worse than the crime." It's probably not a headline thing, but we now know thanks to the whistle blower's letter that there was an inside effort to "'lock down' all records of the phone call, especially the official word for word transcript of the call .... White House officials told me they were 'directed' by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system..." What sounds like headline material is that a career US diplomat, Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanavitch, was recently fired because she would not "play ball" with Ghouliani and Team Trump on getting the Ukraine to target Biden for investigation - which is to say, for refusing to "play ball" in getting the country she was ambassador to to interfere in the 2020 US election. Trump Blasts Own Ambassador in Call With Ukrainian President The U.S. president said he wanted to keep Kyiv honest. So why did he fire his ambassador after she called out corruption? That's former Ambassador "The Woman Was Bad News" Yovanovitch. I can't imagine it will help Trump with moderate suburban women, among others, when it comes out gradually that he bullied and fired yet another professional woman trying to do what is right for her country.

My my my. We're a little bit fact challenged today, aren't we? I guess you are going for a daily double. Fact challenge one: Clinton was not "re-elected" in 2000. He was, of course, re-elected in 1996. But that was way before any impeachment drama. So if your argument is that impeachment will help Trump get re-elected, just like it helped Clinton get re-elected, news flash: it didn't. Fact challenge two: Nancy Pelosi is not a socialist. Nancy Pelosi’s Life in the 0.1 Percent You can attack Nancy Pelosi for being one of the richest members of Congress, and for being a capitalist fat cat - which is sort of what that 2015 article from the conservative National Review above does. That's fair game. Liberal hypocrisy, blah blah blah. But that then pretty much disqualifies you from calling her a socialist. It will be really interesting to see how the Republicans try to put a lipstick on this pig of socialism if Warren is the nominee, and Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. (Warren's net worth is estimated to be about $8 million or so, I think - including her husband's wealth). Now I'll go off into Fantasyland for just a minute. Professor: Dems need to impeach Trump to win 2020 Professor Allan Lichtman, who correctly predicted the last nine presidential election wins, says Democrats will only have a chance at winning in 2020 if they impeach President Donald Trump. Lichtman is interesting. On the fact of it, his system of "keys" sounds like crystal ball and Abracadabra. Except that it is an empirically verifiable fact that he used his "keys" to correctly predict who would win the Presidency in the last nine of nine elections. In Fall 2016 I was paying close attention, because he was saying - loudly - that unless something changes, Trump is probably gonna win a narrow race. He of course turned out to be right. His system makes common sense. At core, it kind of like, "It's the economy, stupid." So of course it will matter if we tip into a recession, or even into a near recession, in the next year. Lichtman's point recently has been that the Clinton impeachment did "work" for the Republicans. Had Clinton been impeached, who would have been the President? I believe the name is Al Gore. Instead, Gore ran for President in 2000, and lost. Even Gore has said the taint of Clinton scandal and Clinton fatigue were contributing factors to his loss. Lichtman would agree. I think Lichtman's argument is common sense. The economy is okay, like it was under Obama. But it's not booming. For 6 months now we've had a reduction in net non-farm payrolls in 10 states, including key ones like Michigan and Pennsylvania. So that could go either way. There's a good argument to be made that adding a big scandal to this is not likely to help Trump in 2020, just like the Clinton impeachment didn't end up helping Gore.

If u ever go to porn website and type gay massage, you would understand its appeal. Or not. Depends on how open you are accepting others have fetishes and getting massage sensual or not is one of them. Yes boys hired from apps or bar might do it, but those in massage places are doing it for a living.

I like the summary part of your report Vinapu!!!

Thank you, good that you noticed. Yes it's kind of time consuming but retracing mu own steps reading my trip notes was actually great pleasure so still I consider that time well spent. Apologies for typos as usually I posted right after I finished typing so relied entirely on auto-correct , I noticed it changes often "boy" to ' buy", I caught it several times. No, I wouldn't ever classify my guys as a 'buy'.

To me, sex and marriage aren't connected. Marriage is about love and commitment. Sex is about Mr. Happy. Of course, I married my best friend, a woman, 25 years ago as an out gay man, so it is probable that my views are non-standard. I think if you have love and commitment in the relationship, everything else is negotiable.

FINAL NOTES Air This time I did not go for cheapest price nor fastest door to door time but for convenient schedule. Used EVA of Taiwan , arrival in Bangkok at noon and the same departure. That way both first and last full day can be fully utilized without worrying about raising early or catching taxi in middle of the night. About 100 $ more than cheapest option but worth it. Hotels Used Amara, Glitz , Baan Silom, and D’Varee Express Pula in Bangkok and Classrooms, Le Café Royale, Zing Resort Jomtien Complex and The Venue . Amara luxurious and only one with breakfast included in the rate and great view from 16th floor room and even better from rooftop pool but did not utilize that pool other then trying to impress visiting ChristianPFC , worth splurge for so inclined ,I may even stay there in the future but for my needs it’s just too costly. All others very solid quality and can recommend all of them with clear conscience. Close to the scene, no problems with visitors , everything working. Glitz has no elevator, Glitz and Express Pula required refundable key card deposit of 500 Glitz and 1000 Pula. Le Café Royale was only one checking and retaining guest’s ID. Also there possibility of bar noise sipping into room but I did not notice any annoyance. My favorites are Classrooms and Baan Silom for the same reason- very spacious rooms and in case of Baan Silom also sizable bathroom. Tourist stuff Maha Nakhon definitely worth the effort and expense, specially for over 60 with considerable discount. Great treat for the boys but make sure they enjoy it, if they are reluctant to go, don’t force it on them. Glass closed when is raining and mornings are much , much less crowded than afternoons and evenings but because of price crowds are still manageable. Shops accessible without need to buy admission. Icon Siam on first level definitely worth visit and in depth exploring. Terrace available through the Apple store is a must . Free boats from various points, most convenient from Saphan Taksin but may be crowded on weekend afternoons. Lots of street type food available and prices are very reasonable. New subway / metro / line opened connecting with existing one at Hualampong , just cross the platform and Sanam Chai station is worth a visit itself , as a bonus is short walk to Wat Po and not much longer to Grand Palace making it faster bur less eye pleasing connection then by river. Apart from Chao Praya Tourist Boat there’s new company Chao Praya River Line providing kind of competition. Departing times from Saphan Taksin pier are the same but on the river some stops are different so make sure you pick up one suiting your itinerary better, One way 60 baht , day unlimited 200 and there are also 2 and 3 day passes. I can spend whole day on the river. Jomtien airport bus ( 130 Baht) is not only mean to get to and from airport, it’s also very convenient and fast way to get to Bangkok proper thanks to airport train as bypasses possible traffic jams on BKK leafy streets. Food I’m least adventurous when comes to food on vacations and utilize tried places like Foodland , Alt Heidelberg and Madrid Tavern Patpong plus street food. I don’t like chain restaurants. When tried to be adventurous and ordered Phat Thai with seafood I got quite an allergy so watch what you are eating. Two boys complained about food at Foodland but honestly I just think they used it as excuse to finish an appointment earlier. None of boys who were not in rush had similar complain and I run almost all of my guys through Foodland at least once. Massages Senso great as always and Tim’s efforts definitely removed pain from my v calf after sitting on the plane whole day. My Hero , massage very short as they have other things in mind and think so do you but guys are 1st class and worth returning. Arena , first time in my long history of patronage disappointed , perhaps due to my poor selection of guy but there were lot of hunks. Why I picked up twink , don’t even ask ( his smile but smile is not massaging you) ? Magic Touch the same experience as at Arena , need to try again to form an opinion, well appointed. Nakart uneven , known guy great , new to me the same like those two substandard, Royal House good and fun. Paradise a must when in Pattaya, shiny, excellent massage and I landed great guy. Bars Visited Lucky boys, Dreamboys, Hot Male, Fresh Boys, Banana in soi 4, Jupiter, Moonlight and Tawan in BKK, BoyzBoyzBoyz , Dreamboy, Xboys, ToyBoys, Winners Nice boys and @Home bar in Jomtien, offed from Tawan – 2 guys ST and LT, BBB – 2 guys ST ,ToyBoys- 1 guy ST, Moonlight – 1 guy twice LT, Dramboys- 1 guy ST, XBoys- 1 guy LT, @Home – 1 guy 4 times LT. My favorite by far at the moment is Moonlight, great models, great regular guys , great show, great selection , even mamasans quite unobtrusive . Dethroned BBB in my eyes , chiefly because guy there are fully dressed, without number nor name tags. Tawan is still friendliest and least pushy, Dreamboys has great guy selection, 2nd best after Moonlight but music idiotically loud. Lucky Boys has most boys. “Special” shows are making come back and available in few bars. In every bar I visited there were at least few boys I’d consider taking home so basically instead splitting hair in 4 as to what bar to visit just go wherever you fancy and chances of being bored or disappointed are very low if existing at all. Of course long time residents may complain about boring shows, poor guy selection, pushy mamasans and expensive drinks but this is why we have them for and they are doing their best to satisfy their job description. Guys It is well known I like long time offs of muscular, hunky guys in late 20ties and up. It can be disputed and questioned by many but this is what I like and prepared to compensate for. There are few pleasures greater than guy raising in dead of the night to sip a gulp of water or go to the washroom, returning to the bed and embracing me or kissing like returning from far and wide. Waking up in the morning next to him and doing the same it’s just repaying favors. Few readers noticed already that this trip was probably one of my best and this is correct, perhaps second best out of all 19 of them, only Dec 2015 was probably better because complete absence of disappointments but it was also 4 days shorter. In fact only now, writing this report and digesting events again I see how great time I had. After first 2 nights a bit not what I expected , but just a tiny bit, 11 consecutive nights followed with long timers and none of them not even once suggested they may be it’s time for him to go already. This is exactly what I like and what I’m going to Thailand for . Z was kind of star of those 2 weeks and it was almost coincidental I bumped into him. Smart and witty but also with very good work ethic and body to match, ‘lets go to the washroom and kiss” type of guy. Whether fully dressed or absolutely not it was fun to be with him and still not even once he asked for anything. But competition was very mighty, Wit , different type of person more quiet but of great body and making impression he likes to be with me as much as I do with him , A of great musculature and prepared to be companion as long as I need him, never tired of my antic although of all he was most sleep deprived by me , Dam , of impossibly silky skin and very reserved who all of the sudden turned roaring lion in the room only to return to quiet himself in the morning. I owe to them one of best times I had in Thailand ever . One may think that Tiger, both Arts, Handsome Cambodian, boy I offed from XBoys and ToyBoys , #65 , Kim from MyHero, Jack and Tim from Senso were also runs but no, each of them was worth a trip to see them and warranted repeat , either on this trip or in the future or did enough good deeds for me in the past so I could be very tolerant of they lacked something this time. And there was Roy from Tawan, Johnny from Dreamboys , #16 and model Smart from Moonlight who are my great hope for the future. And Oud, who I did not manage to off, Dit who was absent day I was at Arena and great M from Senso I only managed to shake hands with twice but carry so much of sweet memories from the past and his new boss Namu , one of three guys still in business I offed more than 10 times, all of them made that trip worth every penny and every minute spent choking on aircraft stale air. But there’s always next trip, right? Forum Members Thank you to ChristianPFC, williewillie, Vessey, aussie_, biguyby, ggobkk, spoon, jimbiilp and Nickx for finding time to meet me , talk , bar hop and dine together. That foray to MahaNakhon with spoon , jimbillp , Z and A was most memorable and fun filled moment of that trip. Thank you gentlemen all. I know colmx was coming to Pattaya on my last day and my apologies I did not manage to contact you, old people are slow moving I guess Thank you for your attention to this report, finally I shut up.

I don't agree. I also don't agree with your reasoning as to why Jomtien Complex is thriving. Jomtien Complex is thriving and has been thriving long before Sunee Plaza started having problems and Boystown prices started skyrocketing. Jomtien Complex does quite well, even during the lowest part of low season. It's a different kind of atmosphere there. There are good hotels within the complex and nearby. The drink prices are quite reasonable. The off fees are reasonable. There are good restaurants in the complex and many more nearby. It's a short walk to the beach from the complex. It's on the baht bus route. There is good shopping nearby. The only thing Jomtien Complex doesn't have is go-go bars. While I'm sure most of us would love for go-go bars to be available in the complex, it's not a long ride to the Boystown and Sunee Plaza go-go bars. I urge everyone to give Jomtien Complex a try at least once during your next trip and judge for yourself. Between Jomtien Complex, Sunee Plaza, and Boystown, for me no question about it. Jomtien Complex is my preference and had been for a long time.

I didn't even notice that there's a window.

So I got 2 hunqz guys booked already and a third one pending price confirmation. Also I booked one free guy from Tindr who just likes daddies Things are looking pretty good for just 2 nights in Lisbon. Hunqz prices for a hotel visit are quite reasonable.

Ur right, so u like Latin and Viet boys, huh? Lol...Me I think the runner-up are North American boys!!!

I agree but I can add the south American boys and the Viet boys as well.

Boy69 what does Vinapu’s budget have to do with you? We have people on here in all stages of financial success or lack of it. I have no idea of what you make or Vinapu makes, nor is it any of my business. The way you put it is your jealous of his spending pattern. You say you enjoy good hotels and restaurants. Nothing wrong with that, I do to. But others prefer to stay in more economical hotels and eat street food and share their savings with the guys they meet. What I spend or he spends or they spend, should mean nothing to you. You spend what works best for you. We all work or have worked hard in our lives to get here. Not up to you to tell us how to spend our money. Enjoy your trips to Thailand the best way you can. Don’t worry so much about the rest of us and what we have or don’t have.

Day 6 For a change we went for breakfast to one of restaurants fronting Beach Road, better view than basement located Foodland but one pays for a privilege, not that difference is big in monetary terms , 150 vs 80 , about 70 baht but makes impression when one considers percentage , almost double. At end of breakfast , at leaving time view was enraged by quite a kiss he planted on me in full view of almost nobody other than personnel as Beach Road was quite empty that early but KISS it was ! Energized and feeling generation or two younger I went for a stroll , visited internet café and in time to pack I returned to hotel as after 3 days there , time to transfer suitcase to a Zing in Jomtien complex. Great value for money, sizable room with all conveniences for 812 baht per night, can’t ask for more. I went to see how beach looks like nowadays but it was lunch time in low season so it was pretty empty . I one of those naturalized stretches without chairs I noticed gay couple , older farang with hunky Asian in very amorous position which made me very jealous as that hunk was one of those I’d off in a heartbeat at whatever his rate would be, After all there are lucky people in this city thought I sighting deeply. I felt hungry and it was a lot of time to dinner with aussie_ so I made smart decision to eat something and at the same time stupid one to choose PadThai with shrimps. After that I WENT BACK TO Pattaya and not before long I felt unpleasant tingling and my skin was turning red with bumps. I know what’s that – allergy to a seafood, Fortunately there was pharmacy right there , I was sold Zirtec and given water to flush it down and after about 30 minutes it started easing up . Passing by Paradise massage Wit , my companion of last 2 nights noticed a bit of change and asked what happened. At 8 pm I parked myself at Salt and Pepper, told host I’m waiting for my friend aussie_ and immediately was ordered to move to another table which is his favorite . Minute or two later aussie_ showed up and seconds later biguyby appeared so we had nice dinner and a conversation. What they had I don’t recall but I know what was my treat – chicken with cashew nuts. By that time Zirtec did the job and red bubbles disappeared but it was a bit scary. Out trio as self- appointed forum representation walked to Nice Boys where I had chance for a third time to get bit intimated with the same guy I was with previous 2 evenings. After a whole we changed scenery to a Boyztown when we split as I noticed inside of Toyboys another forumer – Vessey with his entourage so I joined in for a bit of talk. In meantime surveying scene I noticed very cute , bubble butted boy who was aware of my presence and smiled sunny in my direction. So motion made , drink ordered , long time , no, short time yes, lets go. No we did not return to Zing , that bed was scheduled to be empty tonight as I also booked one night at LeCafe Royal , if only to see how it looks after renovations and closure. At 20 $ I could afford such experiment. It was only hotel that trip where they wanted to hold on to my guest ‘s ID , who would think? Rooms are painted white and so is furniture. Bit psychedelic violet light but when you torn it of and again on , it becomes normal white one. Room was clean but I had impression that it was used already today perhaps as short time room or just left by previous occupant as it was some moisture on the shower’s floor . But towels were fresh and so was bed so hastily we utilized both in that order. Very nice body , even better up close than looked on from the bar, Very good English and interested story. Orphan raised in a monastery, told me he doesn’t know who his parents are and when he visits his hometown , he goes to monastery. No, it was not money extracting story , just emerged as part of conversation as it is well known than people are hiring escorts of either sex mainly to talk. Obviously he had a lot of schooling because vocabulary was quite sophisticated. And apart from talk he knew his job so we had not only pleasant but also quite a hot time. But since long time was off the table, at 12.30 past midnight I initiated parting rites because I had no intention to see sunrise alone. After that morning kiss it was straight direction toward Paradise hoping I will catch Wit, he was right there and he knew why I’m walking toward the place. He did not even call me butterfly anymore as with third engagement in row it would not make much sense. I promised to wait for him in front of hotel and few minutes past 1 he showed up and quite hastily we went upstairs but not without leaving ID on reception as well. I, of course was treated with that knowing smile but I took it as a badge of honor and I guess , rightly so. There was one obstacle tonight, that allergy tablet I took hours before. Those medicines are making most people sleepy so tonight’s idea of fun turned out to wrap myself around the guy and depart to a dreamland. Easy money for him but well deserved. At least we did not waste morning , well rested both we had enough energy to make some mess in the room. And this is how day 6 finished.

it's why I went to Pattaya despite bit disappointing experience last trip year ago. Bangkok is more expensive but has more options , specially in the well built department and keeping busy during day. Pattaya is cheaper so better value for money. At end of day it's guy who counts , not a place and gem can be found everywhere. Even at Tawan now there's diminutive , bit muscled twink in the offer. Some massage boys in mixed places are exemplary hunks too.