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Day 7 continued Back to Zing , where lingering effect of yesterday’s allergy tablet , wanton lifestyle of the last week and perhaps excitement of travelling to a place closely connected with best trip of my entire long and well travelled life put me to sleep for a quite few hours. It was dark when I finally waked up so made myself groomed for my first serious exploration of Jomtien Complex bars ever. I was there few times before, even offed guy from QM bar but it was more an appendix to rest of Pattaya than destination itself until tonight. So I made grand tour , bars were pretty busy , some very busy , others not so much. Lots of boys but mostly on younger side and many too groomed for my taste, in short more twinky and fem specimens than muscly axe murderer types I’m attracted to. Some engaging and trying to pull me into their bars , quite a few and too many at that glued to their phones and not really paying attention which is kind of good thing as it’s easier to survey domain without being constantly invited to enter and have a drink. Can’t say my heart beat rate increased and I already started to check if I have 10 baht to go to Pattaya but as we all know it’s not over until it’s over. In front of last or second last bar before The Venue, it’s @Home bar, I was stopped by the guy with manly , quite rough and lightly bearded face and invited inside. Sure , finally some men closer to specification. Very engaging with good English, drinks ordered and delivered, usual questions asked , when he said he is from Myanmar I had that moment of enlightenment and asked ‘ from Yangoon or Mrauk U “. Most people would ask about Yangoon or Mandalay as those are prominent cities but I had my Guardian Angel whispering helpfully.. He IS from Mrauk U so immediately chemistry built up and started it’s bonding magic as it’s pretty endearing to be asked abroad accurately about obscure place we are coming from . It’s like asking American in foreign land ‘ are you from New York or St. Olaf, Minnesota “ when he in fact would be Rose Nyland ‘s compatriot. (If you don’t know Rose Nyland, google ‘ golden girls’ ). It become very fast obvious that we like each other , specially when I noticed some increases above his knees so we did not waste much time in the bar and soon guy, let’s call him Z and me were trekking to Zing. None of us was hungry nor thirsty , it was trek straight to the room . I’m rarely bored in company of guys in my bed in Thailand but tonight was really steamy and entertaining beyond measure. When you have guy who is intelligent and witty but also endowed with proper manly attributes and perhaps best and firmest bubble butt since Alexander the Great it was material for and atomic bomb type of the night. Fact that I was well rested in the afternoon no doubt helped but I still did not know what I like better , conversation or body contact. My day 7 was crowned with best compliment I heard in a while “ I generally don’t like older men but I like you “, chances were, he did not made it. He, he.

Day 6 For a change we went for breakfast to one of restaurants fronting Beach Road, better view than basement located Foodland but one pays for a privilege, not that difference is big in monetary terms , 150 vs 80 , about 70 baht but makes impression when one considers percentage , almost double. At end of breakfast , at leaving time view was enraged by quite a kiss he planted on me in full view of almost nobody other than personnel as Beach Road was quite empty that early but KISS it was ! Energized and feeling generation or two younger I went for a stroll , visited internet café and in time to pack I returned to hotel as after 3 days there , time to transfer suitcase to a Zing in Jomtien complex. Great value for money, sizable room with all conveniences for 812 baht per night, can’t ask for more. I went to see how beach looks like nowadays but it was lunch time in low season so it was pretty empty . I one of those naturalized stretches without chairs I noticed gay couple , older farang with hunky Asian in very amorous position which made me very jealous as that hunk was one of those I’d off in a heartbeat at whatever his rate would be, After all there are lucky people in this city thought I sighting deeply. I felt hungry and it was a lot of time to dinner with aussie_ so I made smart decision to eat something and at the same time stupid one to choose PadThai with shrimps. After that I WENT BACK TO Pattaya and not before long I felt unpleasant tingling and my skin was turning red with bumps. I know what’s that – allergy to a seafood, Fortunately there was pharmacy right there , I was sold Zirtec and given water to flush it down and after about 30 minutes it started easing up . Passing by Paradise massage Wit , my companion of last 2 nights noticed a bit of change and asked what happened. At 8 pm I parked myself at Salt and Pepper, told host I’m waiting for my friend aussie_ and immediately was ordered to move to another table which is his favorite . Minute or two later aussie_ showed up and seconds later biguyby appeared so we had nice dinner and a conversation. What they had I don’t recall but I know what was my treat – chicken with cashew nuts. By that time Zirtec did the job and red bubbles disappeared but it was a bit scary. Out trio as self- appointed forum representation walked to Nice Boys where I had chance for a third time to get bit intimated with the same guy I was with previous 2 evenings. After a whole we changed scenery to a Boyztown when we split as I noticed inside of Toyboys another forumer – Vessey with his entourage so I joined in for a bit of talk. In meantime surveying scene I noticed very cute , bubble butted boy who was aware of my presence and smiled sunny in my direction. So motion made , drink ordered , long time , no, short time yes, lets go. No we did not return to Zing , that bed was scheduled to be empty tonight as I also booked one night at LeCafe Royal , if only to see how it looks after renovations and closure. At 20 $ I could afford such experiment. It was only hotel that trip where they wanted to hold on to my guest ‘s ID , who would think? Rooms are painted white and so is furniture. Bit psychedelic violet light but when you torn it of and again on , it becomes normal white one. Room was clean but I had impression that it was used already today perhaps as short time room or just left by previous occupant as it was some moisture on the shower’s floor . But towels were fresh and so was bed so hastily we utilized both in that order. Very nice body , even better up close than looked on from the bar, Very good English and interested story. Orphan raised in a monastery, told me he doesn’t know who his parents are and when he visits his hometown , he goes to monastery. No, it was not money extracting story , just emerged as part of conversation as it is well known than people are hiring escorts of either sex mainly to talk. Obviously he had a lot of schooling because vocabulary was quite sophisticated. And apart from talk he knew his job so we had not only pleasant but also quite a hot time. But since long time was off the table, at 12.30 past midnight I initiated parting rites because I had no intention to see sunrise alone. After that morning kiss it was straight direction toward Paradise hoping I will catch Wit, he was right there and he knew why I’m walking toward the place. He did not even call me butterfly anymore as with third engagement in row it would not make much sense. I promised to wait for him in front of hotel and few minutes past 1 he showed up and quite hastily we went upstairs but not without leaving ID on reception as well. I, of course was treated with that knowing smile but I took it as a badge of honor and I guess , rightly so. There was one obstacle tonight, that allergy tablet I took hours before. Those medicines are making most people sleepy so tonight’s idea of fun turned out to wrap myself around the guy and depart to a dreamland. Easy money for him but well deserved. At least we did not waste morning , well rested both we had enough energy to make some mess in the room. And this is how day 6 finished.

Day 7 Breakfast was pretty late as we wanted to catch up with part of night we wasted for sleeping in literal sense of the word. Warm embraces for good bye as if we felt this was our last meeting this trip. Then my usual trip to soi post office to internet café where power of forum was revealed with reader’s post : Terracotta Warriors To March into Bangkok This Sept. and subsequent kokopelli’ s link to an information about Viharna Siem temple and museum where few original warriors figures are exhibited. As koko pointed temple is not that far from Pattaya so I got my wanderlust immediately , stopped taxi and asked about trip there. Excited, I lost my cool as stupidly I accepted shrewd offer of 1000 baht round trip with unlimited waiting time. But being cultured person and one who had a chance to see original site in Xian well before China opened to the world and world of mass tourism ( I was there in 1986 when country was still on bicycles ) it was trip down to memory lane, not one to be devoted to satang pinching. Thank you gentleman both ! It’s actually not that far from Pattaya and quite close to Noong Noch tropical gardens so probably 500 baht would do. In half an hour I was on the site , bought ticket for 50 baht and went in. Very interesting exhibition , quite impressive model of an original site and of course several statues of terracotta warriors . I’m not big fan of them being removed from where they belong i.e. their original place but it’s not much I can do about that so enjoyed what I could. Good views of vicinity with newly built , Indian style temple nearby is making site interesting and pleasant half day trip place for Pattaya residents and visitors. I’d go as far as say it’s even worth driving from Bangkok , specially when combined with Gardens. I’m attaching few pictures for interested and / or curious.

After waking up and checking email, I went downstairs for the breakfast buffet. For a brief moment I thought I might be at breakfast at The Raya. There were six Japanese golfers finishing their breakfast, dressed in full golf fashion, their golf bags and clubs being loaded into a van that was waiting in the courtyard. They would be there the next two mornings. Yesterday, as some point, I send a Line to Van, who over the years has featured in many of my reports. We met when he was working at Hot Male on Twilight. He replied that he'd be by when he finished work -he is currently working with a contractor as a driver. He said he'd stay with me until I left for home. I replied that he was welcome to stay tonight but that I had other commitments. I took the BTS to MBK and did some browsing. Nothing caught my interest. It was a hot day so the air conditioning was welcome. I returned to the Tarntawan and checked my messages, I let Spoon know my plans - basically saying, I have no idea what Van and I will be doing but my hope was to get to Jupiter and maye we could meet up there. I then went to Prime Massage to have an alignment. Back at the hotel, there was a message from Van telling me he had come to the hotel but didn't have his ID so was going home to get it. I missed him by just a few minutes. So I took a nap having had only five hours sleep after Yoyo left this morning. Over the years, there is often some drama in Van's life that touches on our time together. This was one of those times, as when I woke I found a string of Line messages, he had gone back to where he lives and found that his roommate had stolen his savings. He was going to find him before the roommate gambled it away I replied that he should take care of the situation and not worry about our meeting. Short summary of long story...Van got to the hotel around 8pm, six hours later than he planned. He told me he had made the roommate move out, that he got most of his money back but not all. This is the money, he told me, he sends home. Drama aside, it was good to see him and I got a big hug in the Tarntawan lobby. We went to Balcony for dinner. We entered Soi 4 and within a few steps I heard my name shouted out...actually, I thought it was a shout for someone else...but it wasn't. The tout/grabber for Banana on 4 is the former tout/grabber from Hot Male on Twilight. Over the many years of visiting Hot Male, we developed a joking relationship which allowed me grab free access to Twilight. As mentioned ablve his grabber partner is now working at Moonlight. He knows Van as he worked at Hot Male or another bar on Twilight over the last few years. He encouraged us to go up to the bar, I said dinner first. Van and I had a totally forgettable meal at Balcony. Van asked if I'd be ok staying at Balcony as he wanted to get his hair cut and this was his only chance as he'd be working his job tomorrow as he wouldn't be with me. I wasn't sure if this might be ploy for me to tell him to stay...whatever, I said ok but that 'd meet him at Banana. Escorted up the stairs and introduced by the tout, I took a seat a few rows back from the stage. There were only two other customers. I no more than had my Sprite, when I'm waved at from the stage! It's Peter. Peter is a former Hot Male boy, also Fresh Boys, and probably a few other places. I must have met him five years ago, maybe longer. I've ben with him for three-ways, and one on ones. He has cooked for parties I've given, and introduced me to his wife, an shown me photos of his son, and the house he is building in Vietnam. Peter asked if I had seen Van and I said he'd be here in a little while. We caught up, he identified one of the boys in the rotation as one who'd be good for me. Peter like Van enjoys being a broker for my evening activities. One of the waiters is also Vietnamese and he came over, then Van came up the stairs and it was a Vietnamese reunion as they each knew one another. I let them catch up, a few more customers arrived, the boy Peter had selected for me was taken. The rotation wasn't too great once Peter and the selected one where out of the line up. When the show started, I used that as an excuse to signal Van that we were leaving. Which we did to many goodbyes and the tout walking us to Silom. I hope I let Spoon now that we wouldn't make it to Jupiter. Back at the Tarntawan, we did some catching up, he has been back and forth between home where there is no work and Bangkok where there is some work that doesn't pay well. He is thinking of going back to work the bars...(which he has since done). We have spent so many nights together, that there is a routine, shower, cuddling, body sharing, etc. etc...nothing new or surprising. I thought of a similarity to an old married couple. We eventually fell asleep. Not the most exciting days, there was the surprise of seeing people I thought had moved on still working but in a new location. Looking back the highlight was the Prime massage. My next, and final trip report, features the arrival of Vinapu, the return of DivineMadman, and some time with Spoon...

Hello everybody, here is my first-timer experience This is MY experience. I will be happy to answer any questions of those who are like me - firstimers. I'm not going to argue about my possible mistakes with pro visitors to Brazil, I don't want this post to become another exercise in insulting each other. Sorry for these words, but I think an ambience here is very nasty, although I did find very precious information here. I'll compare some points with Thailand, as I was there 50+ times and I think it will be useful for those who visited Thailand And sorry for mistakes in my English So I've stayed 15 days there and I visited Club 117 everyday except two Mondays I am into bodybuilders. So I took only muscle guys. For those who remember golden days of Tawan - guys in Club 117 are smaller! I haven't met really big bodybuilders. Syntol muscles, big upper bodies with small legs - yes, very nice physic and fitness class guys - yes, but only two young competitive bodybuilders, which are not so big as I wish But the faces and bodies of 117's guys are so nice that I'm not disappointed So I'm talking about muscle guys here I was always asked (and always gave without bargaining) 150 R$, including instagram superstars with tens of thousands of subscribers, agogo dancers and the biggest guys in the club I think there an explanation to this fact (some members quoted higher prices) On the very first day I showed to one guy pictures of my ex who is heavyweight competitive bodybuilder. The rumor spread very quickly and muscle guys approached me saying 'I know, I'm not big for you, but you can try me' and didn't ask much. I liked some guys there for talking, sitting together. When they asked me, I bought drinks and food for them. Then these guys started to send to me all new muscle guys that I had not had yet. They told them my price (150) and it always was OK with them. I was extremely excited when muscled beauties approached me and the guys told them - what are you waiting for, undress (if he just came), show your muscle, may be he'll take you On the very first night I asked one guy, who speaks English well, to take me to Lapa for fun. I felt a kind of chemistry between us, although he is absolutely not attractive for me sexually He turned out to be one of the smartest man that I ever met. We talk with him about everything, starting from big bang and graham's number to Austro-Hungarian Empire and brazilian coffee-with-milk politics in Brazil. That night he slept in my appartment and the next morning he said - we are friends, no more money. So almost everyday he stayed with me and slept in my appartment and I never paid him money. Once he asked 300 to pay electricity bill and I gave him, sometimes I gave him 50 for taxi to comeback home. On the second day my phone was stolen. This guy gave me his phone and I used it for four days before he helped me to buy a new phone. When he took me to a disco that I didn't like, he paid himself for that disco. Sometimes he insisted to pay for food himself. He bought some gifts for me when I was returning home Believe me or not, but this is true So, I can't say what is the price for a long stay, although one bodybuilder told me that R$ 1500 for one day is extremely good price and I think it can be lowered down to 600-800R$ I took some guys to my appartment - from 7 pm to midnight it was 300-350 R$ Entance to the club - 60 Room - 40 Caipirinha - 15, smirnoff ,tequila, - 15-20-30 Espresso, water - 6 Food I think 20-30, I don't remember The guys that I talked to told me they usually get R$ 200 from clients (muscle guys) Some advices 1. It is not like in Thailand. In Thailand in a go go if you come at the right time you can see almost all the guys (except those who are taken or have a day off). In Brazil you never know who you meet that day 2. In Brazil you pay for 40 minutes. When you finish, a guy usually comes back to work. In Thailand you pay for a short time, you can talk to a guy while you are going to your hotel, you may offer a dinner together and so on. It's not the case here. If you want that, you should talk about longer stay 3. English is almost non-existent. To my suprise, in Thailand the situation is much better. That makes a longer stay much more difficult. 4. I stayed in Gloria area, 2 minutes walk from the Club 117. It is very convenient. I saved a lot of money because I stayed in Gloria area. If you want take a guy home - it's easy for him, the price is lower. Prices for food and restaurants are lower. For example, fresh juice in my area is R$ 5, copacabana - R$9-11. I ate in a good restaurant for R$ 30-50, Ipanema - R$ 90+ for the same food. Of course, if you like beach, it's a long ride by metro, but there is Flamengo beach nearby 5. Do plan your stay! Indeed, when it's a quiet day in the club, it can be a big dissapointment. During my stay it was wednesdays and sundays. You can expect more guys starting from 6-7 pm. 6. When the club was closed (Monday) I visited Lion's and Point 202 on the same evening. It was a disaster. Lion's was deserted at 7.30, Point was busy, but no muscles at all. So for the next Monday I took a guy for an evening stay with me. 7. I didn't find the way to have a man from the beach. Although I saw some good guys, I do not know how to approach them 7. Brazil is not a holiday destination. In Thailand you can find millions ways to have fun. It's secure. In Brazil I have no idea how I would spend a time with a guy. After visiting a couple of tourist attractions there is only one thing - the beach. In Thailand you may visit huge shopping malls, nice restaurants, take a ride to islands, gardens, markets, aquariums, discos... - endless list. 8. I have already bought a ticket to Brazil for the next trip. It is really nice country and above all - Brazilians! I really loved them

For the most part that is true! Guys are usually there with friends. I think all of us who are “veterans” of Brazil have picked up a guy or Three off the beach but definitely not for people who are new or not well acquainted with the Rio scene! i would highly recommend you stick to the sauna selections until you get to know some of the garotos well and they can advise you. i gave this same advise to two guys from LA a few years ago, they were both in their 40’s, well built and gdlkg, and had travelled a lot, they of course didn’t listen to my advise and were staying at the Copacabana Palace. they went to the beach, picked up a couple of guys they spent the afternoon with at the beach and then invited them back to their hotel! they awoke the the next morning with a headache from the “Boa Noite Cinderella” they had ingested and with everything of value stolen including clothes, shoes, etc. this in a hotel that has more stringent security then most! It makes no difference if you are gdlkg, well built, younger, they are not interested in you but only in what you have! i have a apartment full of guys staying with me when i am in Rio or SP, BUT...I have 1)either known them for a long time or 2) they are referred by someone i trust 3)they are vouched for by one of my regulars! is this fool proof? nope nothing is but it certainly reduces your risk significantly! i have been doing this since i started using Airbnb’s around 2009 and have never had a problem(and that is a fairly large number of guys!) have fun!

Thanks guys, that's much appreciated Must admit I've developed a new appreciation for how much time other members spend drafting their own reports, not a 5 min task Will try to update later in the week again, hopefully with a few pics of Hanoi if I can ever get them off my phone!

I have suspicion I know whom you offed from Jupiter that night

spoon did know u wont be able to make it to jupiter that night hehe. But i did go and stay at balcony for a while for people watching and saw few stunners walking into jupiter that just sealed the deal for me to visit juputer alone that night, and im glad i did lol

From Khaosod English Terracotta Warriors To March into Bangkok This Sept. BANGKOK — Envoys of the first Emperor of China’s ghost army will march into Bangkok next month. The Ministry of Culture announced on Thursday that the Bangkok National Museum will hold an exhibition “Qin Shi Huang: The First Emperor of China and the Terracotta Warriors” for three months beginning this Sept. 15. The exhibition will feature four life-sized warrior figures and a bronze chariot set, among other artifacts excavated from the tomb in Xi’an. Anan Chuchotti, Director-General of the Fine Arts Department, said the exhibition is the culmination of three years of negotiations with Chinese counterparts. The collection of 133 relics will span the period before the unification of China in 221 BC, the Qin dynasty, and the Han dynasty. Archeologists believe the terracotta army was part of a mausoleum for China’s first emperor, Qin Shi Huang, to guide and protect him in the afterlife. Work on the mausoleum, which contained thousands of life-sized sculptures, is thought to have begun late into 300 BC. The sculptures were buried until they were accidentally discovered in 1974. However, it’s not the first time the famed terracotta warriors have stepped foot on Thai soil. Several warrior figures excavated in Xi’an are current housed in a Thai-Chinese temple in Chonburi province. The Chinese government donated the figures, on display at Viharnra Sien Temple, to promote bilateral relations. “Qin Shi Huang: The First Emperor of China and the Terracotta Warriors” will be held at the Bangkok National Museum on Na Phra That Road. The exhibition is open from 9am to 4pm Wednesday-Friday (except public holidays) from Sept. 15 to Dec. 15. The venue is reachable by a 15-minute walk from either the Tha Chang or Phra Arthit stops along the Chao Phraya Express boat services. Tickets are available at the ticket office for 30 baht for Thai nationals and 200 baht for foreigners. Explanatory texts are in Thai and English. Continues with photos and map http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2019/08/30/terracotta-warriors-to-march-into-bangkok-this-sept/

I understand! :-) that’s one of the reasons why i have them stay with me!

to tomcal understood. no beach guys. i just thought what if I take one to a sex hotel the problem is that sometimes I need sex in the first half of a day so badly that my brain is melting

It seems so many want to pay as little as possible. I can't tell you the number of times I hear ( in brasil saunas) some old guy with a 100k USD or Euro salary trying to negociate a discount from a poor boy who traveled 2 hours on a city bus to make some money selling ass or dick. Personally, I pay the asking price plus a small tip....or choose another that is in my budget. The boys also have pride and deserve respect.....

As one of the “pro visitors” who has done this before, and is also much closer to hiring what you like, I could probably give you a few tips, but you’d have to send me a private message to discuss. Since I’m a pure capitalist at heart, my payment for my services would be that you can privately share with me a few of your stories.

one in the same soi ABomb is , around the corner from Boyztown and right beside of former HappyPlace bar. I very rarely take pictures of guys , dressed or not and don't let the to take mine so I don't have one of Wit. Sorry.

While the Marriott is not comparable to the Fasano or Emiliano, it is in a decent area and it has nice accommodations with many nice restaurants nearby. You are allowed visitors if you desire. The hotel rates are not that high when you realize you are getting a good hotel across the street from the ocean and in a good area. A large portion of the hotel has been upgraded. If you have status with Marriott, you will most likely get one of the upgraded rooms. Try it, you might like it.

Haha, sure u do, and also off another one that night for the day after lol.

Now im itching to go to paradise massage and meet wit who managed to secure 3 LT with butterfly vinapu lol

Great report Alex

I believe that I was right when I was thinking that Rodolfo was recolating to Consolação. This could even further improve the numbers and the quality of the boys going to Lagoa since the neighbourhood is home of the biggest gay community of SP.

I went to Bangkok Massage tonight. They did a really nice job. Most of the rooms offer something different. Some very small single rooms. Some large double mattress sized. Some in between size. Rooms not all in a row. A couple of hallways going in different directions. Some rooms have showers. If this is important ask first. Otherwise showers at far end of hallway. For those who remember Twilight and all the stairs, Now no stairs. Now that all the rooms vary a bit, I would ask to see one to make sure it’s what you want. Also more privacy. Rooms are tiled. Couple things on the negative side. As Reader mentioned, it is below Lucky Boy so some steady music during show times. Didn’t bother me. If your having a good time you’ll forget about it. Other thing I noticed it needs some dimmer switches for the lights. Probably a little bright. Again having a good time you won’t notice. Also the place has all new tile, so you need to be aware that it could be a bit slippery if not careful. i didn’t look at menus or pay attention to pricing, but I think 1 hour oil was 600. So it appears pricing along the same lines as Twilight. For me one of the best points, is it’s right in the middle of all the Patpong action. Much as they were in Twilight. Some new guys and some came over from a Twilight. They all sit outside for your viewing pleasure and you can go inside and talk in the lobby. Quite comfortable. And there were a few guys there this weekend that were well worth taking inside.

my tip structure is also simple but not exactly Christian like. If something sinister was involved I tip 1000 for 1 hr session, 1500 for 1.5 hr / my preferable / , 2000 for 2 hr session / rarely done / If there's minimum tip I will tip whatever it is but as far as I know only Senso, MYHero and VCK will have higher minimum than stated here. If I like guy or session or both I may add 100-500 but this solely depends on my mood at end of engagement.

THANK YOU MICHAEL FOR CORRECTING DATE IN THE TITTLE OF THIS THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those residing in Pattaya area you can see some terracotta warriors at this site: https://www.renown-travel.com/temples/viharn-sien.html

Donald Trump has set the standard. Enough said.

Hopefully, Eduardo Bolsonaro will only have about a year on the job. His qualification for US Ambassador is that he once flipped burgers in the USA? He will fit right in with Ivanka, the World Diplomat, whose sole qualification is putting her name on handbags made in China.