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U guys want to know the continuation of my report, right? Here we go...I immediately moved closer to Mr. Perfect Guy and gently lean him against the wall saying "u miss me?"...he immediately said "yes!"...to which I responded "seriously?"...he smiled and to my surprise, he kissed me on the lips, wow, I kissed both his upper and lower lips which is slightly open while I can feel his tongue, omg...I leaned closer to him feeling his muscular, hard body...while our bulges was pressing hard to each other. Then he leaned me against the wall and started kissing me on my neck...I love how it feels sending shivers to my body...I did the same to him, I really love kissing his neck and even his adam's apple. Then, I removed his shirt and when its halfway removed and his arm was raised, I paused a bit and sniff his armpits...what I also love about Mr. Perfect Guy is he smells sooo good, he is hygienic and conscious to his body. I started kissing and licking his armpits, one-at-a-time while completely removing his shirt. God I love his muscular body!!!...his arms, his abs, his chest, his back, his shoulders, his everything, actually, lol...even his exposed armpits which is shaved actually, yum!!! Time 4 muscle worship, yeah3x!!! Afterwards, I kissed and lick his hard chest before moving to his nipples which I played and run my tongue to it, while pinching the others, doing it 1-@-a-time also. Then I asked him to flex his arms which are both big and bulky with muscles, veins showing up. I then run my lips and tongue to his biceps and triceps. Then, he removed my shirt and run his tongue to my nipples, both of it...wow, it sends another shivers to my body and started to moan and groan. My m*nh**d was hard the entire time. After that, I kneel and unfasten the button of his pants, then unzip the zipper of his pants and slowly took his pants down. Wow...he's wearing the undies (or speedo) that they used during the show. I touch his bulge while looking at him. He smirk and then give me a teasing smile. His bulge is really hard now. I put it in my mouth while looking at him then slowly took his undies down. His m*nh**d was so hard it almost slap in my face, lol. I ran my hand to it, feeling its hardness and its gigantic size. Then I swallowed it while looking at him, d**pthr**t which I always do. Then I started moving it in and out my mouth, running my tongue to it, I really like to bj him. With the expression of Mr. Perfect Guy's hansome face, he also like it. Then I paused and slap it to both of my cheeks feeling its hardness. He was surprised I think when I look at him. Then, raised his m*nh**d and lick his b*lls, then carefully putting it in my mouth 1-@-a-time. Then I swallowed m*nh**d again. Afterwards, I run my lips and tongue to his legs and thigh...wow, he's really flawless!!! Then, I stand-up and Mr. Perfect Guy removed my pants and undies while saying "let's shower" to which I nod. We proceeded to the shower and he soaped my body and teasing my m*nh**d, haa haa. I also did the same to him, soaping and touching his gym-fit and muscular body. He turn me around and hugged from behind, feeling his gigantic m*nh**d in my *ss. Then he turn me around again and face-2-face, he hugged me while our m*nhood pressed at each other. Afterwards, we rinsed and dried ourselves with the towels. Mr. Perfect Guy was the first to get out of the bathroom. When I got out of the shower room, I saw Mr. Perfect Guy was already in the bed, still with a hard-on and giving me a teasing smile. I got excited and horny at the same time. I walk towards the bed then...<TO BE CONTINUED>

Although I was a prophet of gloom once the demise of Soi Twilight was announced, I am delighted the bars have found alternative accommodations and are still relatively close together. What I miss is the proliferation of beer bars staffed often by very cute guys where one could just sit having a drink at a reasonable price with pleasant company watching the gay world go by. The gogo bars are there but not the atmosphere. Not yet!

Now the original thread has moved to the Timeless section I do not seem to be able to add another comment. Hopefully someone more tech savvy than me can connect this to the original thread. While I do not think there is any way to guarantee a good experience, there are a few things that can be done to improve the chances of one, many of which are expanding on the points listed by DivineMadman. The description below indicates something fairly obvious. A majority of the factors determining whether or not we have a good experience are up to us, not up to the guy. Unless we recognize this, criticizing the guys is pointless and cheap. The success of the evening depends on two phases. (i) Selecting the guy in the club. (ii) The relationship established with the guy after selecting him. I have structured a lot of deals in my time. When they go bad it is almost never about aspects of the technical structuring. Bad deals usually reflect poor understanding of the human element. This goes quadruple for an interpersonal transaction like an off. Yes you are paying, but this does not make you god, dictator, puppet master or even desirable for the duration. The payment only gets the guy into the bedroom. How well he does what you would like him to do depends on how you treat him and how you make him feel. This is not finance. This is recognition, esteem and a human connection. (A) In the Club Selecting a guy in the club is the more ‘technical’ part of the evening. More information is better than less information, so I enlist the help of the mamasans. I have a much higher success rate when I use the mamasans for information than when I wing it. Their input helps to narrow the field to guys who are most likely to be compatible. I addition to checking which guys are gay and who does what, I also ask who has already had an off that evening as while the guys have the energy of youth they are not supermen. In terms of the guy’s behavior on stage, on a scale of no-eye-contact-immersed-in-cell-phone to wagging-erect-dick-in-face, I have had the best connection with guys who make eye contact and smile but who are not overt about it. They are watching you, so when you look at them and make eye contact they smile back, but they are not blatantly trying to get your attention. Maybe they are a bit shy or they are simply not extraverts. I find this a better indicator of real interest than a guy who too-actively markets himself. I agree with Paborn that the price of a drink to get to know a guy better is money well spent. Facetime with a guy gives you a lot of clues as to how compatible you might be. More so if you are not drunk. If my mission for the evening is to off a guy I do not drink alcohol, or drink very little, until I have chosen a guy. A major life lesson has been that alcohol impairs judgement. My only bad experiences picking up guys generally, not just Thailand, have been when I had a few too many drinks in me. (B) After Leaving the Club Now you have chosen a guy and sealed a deal, it is totally up to you how things work out. You now have to get the guy into a zone in which he is happy to be with you. This is personal chemistry not money. At its most basic this is showing an interest in him, showing him respect, consideration and making him comfortable. Ask him if he is hungry and, if he is, offer to buy him something. I make it clear I am not hungry, this is for him. Then he is likely to pick some street food he likes and he is comfortable. If I suggest I am also hungry a guy is likely to think we have to go somewhere I like, which may not be so much to his taste. This is about helping him to be comfortable, not feeding me. Find something to admire in his street outfit and complement him. Back in the hotel ask him if he would like a drink. Be the first to suggest a shower. Thai guys are into clean. Have a spare tooth brush for him to use and suggest it is ok if he wants to experiment with any of your products. Take his lead on whether or not he wants to shower together. Some guys, particularly bottoms, may want privacy to prep themselves. The infallible indicator of a successful evening to come is if the guy returns from the bathroom erect. In bed spend time on foreplay and check again what he does and does not do. If he is comfortable with you his repertoire may have expanded since the club. You get the picture. Your experience is really “up to you”.

As we can continue with my report...I remember to give my gift, so in his bday suit and me woth a towel, I gave my gift 2 him which surprised him. It gives me fulfillment when he liked my gift and thank me 4 it!!! I can feel the happiness in his smile (as well as in his hug & kiss). Then he put my gift in his bag and carry me 2 the bed. Then he removed my towel and lie on top of me, giving me deep kiss, feeling his tongue on mine. Then I kiss his upper and lower lips before our tongue meet, omg, I love this kiss!!! Then, he licks my nipples and biting it gently which made me gasp for breath due to pleasure...he continues with it while I moan and groan as I feel his tongue on my nipples. Then, he kiss my neck again while he pinch my nipples, wow, what he's doing was sooo erotic. Then, I ask him to lay in the bed and placed myself on top of him. We deep kiss again, then necking and then lick his nipples, chest, armpits, arms, abs, legs and thighs...I really love 2 muscle worship especially when he flexes his muscles. Then, I d**pthr**t him again and bl*wj*b him again, feeling his gigantic size which made me gag. In his full *r*ct**n, he slides a condom 2 his m**nh**d and put a lube on it while I also lube my *ssh*l*. I'm nervous while doing it tbh. While he seats in the bed, I sat on top of him (seesaw position) and try to insert his gigantic m**nh**d on my tiny *ssh*l*. I can feel the pain again. He spreads my cheeks and tried 2 push his on mine, but it won't enter to me. What Mr. Perfect Guy did was he lay me on the bed, placed a pillow on my *ss and raise my feet and legs, my knee touching my shoulders totally exposing my *sshole (launchpad position). Then he lie on top of me, holds his gigantic m*nh**d and slowly insert it to me. I gasp for my breath and I can feel the familiar pain again as he push the head and now the body of his m*nh**d 2 me. Mr. Perfect Guy sense this, pause a bit and give me a deep kiss while pinching my nipples. When I got relaxed, he pushed again, inserting his entire m*nh**d 2 me. Then, he slowly pull it and I can see he's enjoying my tightness. Then, he push it again, and then pull it slowly at first, then gets faster and faster. The pain is gone now and I can feel the pleasure once more. He pumped me for a few minutes before he spreads my legs and holds my feet (pile driver position). I can see his muscles tensed and veins popping out on his muscles. Afterwards, he raised one my leg and rest it on his shoulder and tilt me sideways (pirate's bounty position) as he continues pumping me. I love looking at his muscles, especially his abs as I felt his m*nh**d going in and out me. Then, he slowly lift me a little, his still inserted to mine, and lay on the bed as I sat on his gigantic size (cowboy position). This time I'm the one who pumped up and down while I said 2 him "u like it? u like it???" and he responded "yeah!, yeah!!!". After that, he stopped and he is the one who pumped upward and downward which made me moan and groan. Then, we both seat facing on each other, still not yet disconnected, lol (fusion position) as we both pumped. I was gasping for my breath as we did this position. After that, he slowly twist me around in a doggy position as he moved closer 2 my *ss (bulldog position). I said "c'mon, c'mon", and he pumped me faster and faster. I loved seeing our p*n*tr*t**n in the mirror...and I love the reaction on his face. Whew, the last position is his fave position where I lie facing the bed and my head buried in the pillow, open my legs wider to fully expose my *sshole as he entered me from behind and pumped me in his fastest movement (jockey position). We both moan and groan, our lower body slapping on each other while our upper body rubbing on each other. When we're about to reach the climax, I asked Mr. Perfect Guy if he wants 2 release it on my mouth, he said "no, no"...and asked if he want it on my body, he replied "yes" so he c*m in my body, woah, that's a lot...but when I c*m, he said "that's more" as it sprayed like a fountain and it spurts a lot, my one month load!!! He smiled and kissed me deeply again. Afterwards, we showered, dried-up and I paid him for a very memorable and pleasurable (s)experience. Then we said our goodbye and we hugged tightly as I said "I'm gonna miss you"...<TO BE CONTINUED>

He is a cutie. Sure hope he has a smart head on his shoulders and experienced mentors advising him. Being known as a young, handsome, "out" gay actor in show business will attract a lot of unwanted attention, especially with lips like his. Sort of like throwing bloody meat into shark-infested water. At least today, you don't have to end up OD'd in some alley off Melrose.

slowly but surely we will push girls to Patpong 1 where they belong and will invade existing beer bars to convert them to gay ones. Let's talk in a year or two

I didn't know members could not reply to threads here. I have changed that. (I think)

https://www.facebook.com/lacazavapor/ and you can look them up on twitter https://mx.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/yucatan/ has massage/escorts. The local guys are inexpensive, the Traveling ones ask for more...mostly colombians and venezuelans . Grindr of course..... where are you staying?

We(speaking for Floridarob and myself)have our own sex parties with guys we meet inMerida/grindr, there is no shortage of guys that want to attend...but we both have homes there which makes a big difference vs renting a Airbnb or hotel!

Fucking hypocrite. Liar! https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Hey guys, I'm back from my recent trip in BKK, Thai and I really love to share my most exciting, wildest and romantic experience ever!!! I've had my most awaited reunion with a boy, experienced going to a new go go bar as well as visit 2 a long, overdue massage place and an encounter with a new hot boy. So what are we waiting 4? Let's begin... Of course it all started with my most anticipating go go bar which is the NEW DREAMBOY in Patpong 2 (NOT PARADISO, okay? -just 2 be clear, lol). Upon arrival, I got excited with the familiar sign with a cupid design and the place is brand new!!! Wow...its a good timing bcoz the new manager got out from the sliding door and I immediately asked if Mr. Perfect Guy is still there. He smiled 2 me and said yes, then invited me 2 come inside. And there he is...with my dreamy eyes I saw Mr. Perfect Guy, the only reason I keep on coming back 2 BKK, Thai. He immediately recognized me, smiled and waved at me as the manager call his name. I smiled and waved back in response. I admit my heart pounds faster. I've been waiting 4 this moment since he is not available on my last trip. He was practicing a dance routine with the other boys and I must say he is really dedicated on performing (just like the last time when I saw him rehearsing for their anniversary show). He smiles at me from time to time after he greet me. I was so excited as I smiled back at him, giving a thumbs-up sign as I select a seat with a very good view of him. I can say the NEW DREAMBOY is sparkling new, its bigger than PARADISO, including the stage, though there is no more 2F and harness for show (unlike in Soi Twilight), although there are opening doors for the performers. Even the audience seats area for the guests is larger, but missing from the bar b4 is the gym area, though the boys workout beside the stage in front of the mirror with their dumbells (and barbell, I think) pumping it hard (WOW) and doing crunches on the edge of the seat or stage. I think they're trying to impress me with their muscles, but my sight is fixed on Mr. Perfect Guy practicing on stage, ha ha. Its given I selected the seat near the stage and Mr. Perfect Guy suddenly seat beside me as he greet me again and asked me "How r u?". I said "I'm okay" with a smile and he immediately touched me, omg, so in response I touched his muscles, he he. But he excused himself bcoz he still need 2 practice on stage and I nod as I said "Its okay" and my smile was fixated, since I'm very much fulfilled seeing him, though I'm shy 2 admit I'm starting 2 have a h*rd-*n, lol. When his practice is over, he moved closer to me, hugged me and then kissed me, WOW...and I'm not dreaming guys, this really happened in real life, lol. I'm a bit shy bcoz there are other customers already but I thought 2 myself I should not be embarrased, right guys? He puts his arms on my shoulder and started touching my body, teasing my nipples and rubbing my legs, I admit I like it, lol. In return, I started touching his arms, chest and abs which he liked, he even flexed his muscles for me. After a while, he excused himself again bcoz he needs 2 change for the show. I slapped his butt as he stand-up, we both laughed. Btw, my position in the rightmost, upper part also gives a good view of the boys changing in the locker room, he he. When he is away, the other boys still try 2 impress me with their muscles, though I can say there's a lot of hot boys, I lose count, lol. In fact, there is this one hot guy who I've never seen b4 in DB Soi Twilight. He looks like a model actually, with his chiseled body, gorgeous face with expressive eyes, long eyelashes, pointed nose and kissable lips...and he got a LOT of tattoos, only the ABS part had no tattoo, but he looks hot with a nice smile. I call him Mr. Runner-Up (2 Mr. Perfect Guy, haa haa). Then, as my cola was served by the long-haired mamasan (she's nice actually), Mr. Perfect Guy sat beside me with a very skimpy boxers, omg...and its cuddling time again!!! The mamasan told me the show starts @ 10:30PM and its fine by me, I can have more time with Mr. Perfect Guy, woohoo!!! We talk a lot of things and along with it is touching our bodies, I really love touching his muscles (even counting his abs, which is of course six-pack) and looking at his handsome face as we speak. God I really missed him!!! I asked him to flex his biceps and triceps for me to which he agreed with a smile, tickling the back of his neck and ears, touching his chest, shoulders and back, and a bit of his legs, I'm shy 2 do it, ha ha...though he really press hard when he touched me. I think he gets bigger everytime I saw him bcoz he is really a regular in gym and it shows to his very muscular body. I asked what he's gonna wear on the show but he won't tell me, hmmm, it makes me wonder, lol. And after an hour and a lot of minutes of cuddling (and bonding) time, lol, the show begins and Mr. Perfect Guy needs 2 leave 4 a moment. The boys paraded for the audience on stage. My only comment is the post (or pillar?) in the middle blocks a portion of the stage but got stairs and platform where the boys can also walk/dance. Also, to assist PARADISO which only got a few audience, the boys also paraded there, meaning, passerbys can also saw the hot boys as they switch from the two bars. Meanwhile, Dreamboys is already jampacked as the show begins, and more guests are coming. I can say the show is really hot, my fave is the part of Mr. Perfect Guy together with the other boys dancing on stage and on the platform in the middle wearing very skimpy white undies, OMG, and I saw his very masculine dance again, the hot move which got my attention!!! My other fave is the staple for go go bar shows where the boys with raging hard-on wearing condoms and parading...Mr. Runner-up was there (ahem, haa haa)...woah, he's also GIGANTIC!!! Of course I won't spoil the other part of the show so you will all be surprised guys, ha ha...all-in-all, I really like it...a bit similar to DB Soi Twilight's minus the classy, big production numbers and I prefer this since I can see more of Mr. Perfect Guy performing whereas b4, he only lifts the ladyboys or act as the leading man on the show, he he. When the show is over, we toasted our drinks and finish drinking as Mr. Perfect Guy already changed his clothes. Then I paid to the counter, btw, the pricing is as follows: Entrance Fee with Drink: 450 Drink for the Boy: 350 Off Fee: 500 Then, I give the long-haired mamasan 100 as she said thank you. After that, Mr. Perfect Guy and I walked holding hands 2 my hotel, then placing his arms on my shoulder while I hold on his other arm or placing my hands on his waist, sometimes embracing me and kissing me, WOW!!! He's really romantic, that's all I can say!!! As we go inside my room and the door was closed, I immediately...<TO BE CONTINUED>

There is no change in location for Lagoa finalized yet. Nothing has worked out so far for locking in a new location. It seems greed and stinginess are at play in a possible new location for Lagoa. As of now - the lease is gone - However, Lagoa is staying put - month-to-month - A few places that looked promising have not been locked in. Therefore, anyone going to Lagoa should check the address unless ads and their website notify of any move. Who knows, the month-to-month might turn into years. Here is the current address which might last into infinity: http://www.thermaslagoa.com.br/thermas.lagoa.htm Now, wouldn't that be nice?

Just like in the movies eh.......If you build it they will Cum !

Most likely if you off him from bar, he will have to give some cut to either mamasan or bar etc while if he gets customer from apps, its 100% his. His net income from that off could be very well higher than from bar? Only he knows.

Yes you're right in general but my experience through the social media was pretty good,and sometimes I notice a boy that attract my attention in the bar and invited him on thatsave me the off fee,drinks ,tips act. .To my suprise the same boy is willing to accept less through the apps than they qouted at their bar, maybe because they don't want to break the standard rate acceptable at their bar I really don't know.

Looking forward to visiting Merida in late July! Any places like saunas or cenotes that are gay-naked friendly? Love to hang out nude and play if the mood strikes. Mexico City has a place I always spend a few hours: banos finnisterre What is the gay sauna like (is there one?) Sensual massage services? love sex parties too. Anything happening in Merida 22-26 July? gracias!

yeah, theres an app called parallel space....allows 2 of the same apps at once on the same phone.

I would not give up. Twilight soi was once the one bar. As the bars came, places to feed the customers with seating to watch came. Let the customers come an entrepreneur will likely follow

I plan mine around the "availability " of cock and worry about size later. Frankly, I don't want or need to decorate it with ribbons and dance the MayPole - a mouthful of savory warmth is very nice - just want to make sure I can find that morsel.

I just assume that everything I do online is spied upon. I just hope that one day the spies are able to connect me with a twink that is my type and also looking for an old fat man who loves to travel, go to movies, eat out and dance like a wildman.

Like most things you encounter in Bangkok that are hung - just give it long enough and they usually let you down eventually - all just only a matter of timing as too when !

wow.Such a beautiful experience.Thanks for sharing. You are a fantastic writer.i feel that i am in the same room as both of you just by reading your article.Thanks again

message was accurate , just they hung it 5 years too late

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There are several Airbnb's I'm looking at in the colonial zone for my 10 night stay. Many listings for a wide range of price and apartment options, and all the owners I've messaged claim their units are well secured. I also received an email offer from Casa Sanchez, a hotel I queried in May, enticing me to book four nights and lots of perks for only $300 over Pride Weekend. Given all the bad press lately, and the heat factor, I don't think many American gays will be rushing to SD for their Pride events. As always, 1Tennisace whets my whore-y appetite with his reports and images!

Once one of the poorest Senators, Joe Biden has made millions since he left the vice-presidency. In other words, he cashed in! https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/once-the-poorest-senator-middle-class-joe-biden-has-reaped-millions-in-income-since-leaving-the-vice-presidency/2019/06/25/931458a8-938d-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html?utm_term=.5b54f378b59d Middle-class Biden's Wisconsin home: Middle-class Joe's Delaware home: Middle-class Joe's Washington rental

Too bad we can't live in the movies.

Yup, yup...the hottest encounters...in my report...sooner than expected!!!...and also a massage place, wait 4 it!!! Ur most welcome Vinapu!!!

welcome to the forum Since you mentioned Tawan twice in your question this is where you should start, if you like what you see , return next night, if you don't, next night or even later first evening visit Moonlight and Dreamboys in any order. Other option is to pay off fee for chosen Tawan guy , tell him you will pick him up later and go to see one of other tow bars. You can also drag him with you there if he wants. some boys may be thrilled to see other bar , others definitely not. Try to get boy short time for 2000 , long time if so inclined for 3000 but hunks may want more and Moonlight models most likely so. I'd agree on a tip beforehand to avoid nasty scene with well built guy !. In Tawan boys are circulating freely so one of them may sit beside but if you not interested just ignore him politely. They saw it all and will not force themselves upon you. If you engage him in conversation it will cost you a drink for him and 100 baht , perhaps 200 tip , depending on timer he will spent with you . In Moonlight and Dreamboys it may be mamasan who will try to engage you in tip dispensing , feel free to ingore such advances unless you want somebody to talk to, nothing wrong with that. Arema is good choice but when walking on Silom and Suriwong have eyes opened as staff of many massage shops is sitting outside and somebody may catch your fancy.

I'd been missing you on the Forum...waiting for the rest of your report. Welcome back!

I think I know who is your Mr Runner-up. I was surprised to see him doing a big cock show. Somehow I have this preconceptions that only older rough looking guys do that kind of shows and not pretty ones. lol Welcome back Drim!

fair assessment above but in most of those places upkeep is in sync with prices charged. Prices in more classy and shiny places like MyHero or Prince are higher and unfortunately so are minimum tips. So we need to weight, based on our internal preferences , whether marble showers stall and new towels are worth of an additional outlay or not.

When dealing with other humans only golden rule in effect is to be polite and respectful. But afters some trips to Thailand and partaking in the scene most of us developed some internal rules for personal use. Some are looking for smiles, others off short time only, others still visit each bar only once per trip and so on. And we share those rules here without any pretense that our rules are universal to any degree. Of course it's correct that predicting guy's performance by first impression is difficult , I add that often even the same boy turns different on the next meeting, lion becomes lamb, greedy turns generous and sworn top all of the sudden gives hints that he is not that sworn.

On the last night of this trip, I decided it would just be drinking and enjoying the company of boys. No offs. I did my preparations inside my hotel room and after dinner, I walked into Lucky Boys at 10pm. Damn. It was crowded. Then I realised it was a Saturday night. I wanted the comfy semi circle booth sofa seats with the round table in front. They had all been taken. Mamasan L sat me down at front row table and promised to move me once the seats were available. I looked at the menu and ordered a bottle of Jack Daniels (4000 baht) and a bottle of 100 Pipers (2200 baht). It’s gonna be whisky night! L gave instructions to waiter and they both went off to get the bottles. Bottles arrive and this time, both bottles were placed in front of me in plain sight. A few nights ago, the bottle was placed out of sight and I had commented that it emptied out quicker than I had expected. I suspected some of the older mamasans and even waiters had helped themselves to it. L confirmed my suspicions. “Sorry, they shouldn’t do it. Tonight put bottle in front. Only you and boy drink.” I smiled and pointed at him, “And you drink with me also!” I signalled to waiter to prepare L a glass of Jack Daniel with Coke, his choice of mixer. After that, waiter comes back with 5 whisky glasses. “For you to tip boy,” L said. “No, tonight, I am not doing that. Tonight we play game. Loser drink shots. We wait till table ready.” It was thankfully not a long wait, perhaps 20 minutes. During that time, I looked at the boys on stage. Many boys smiling at me, especially those I had offed or tipped. This was my fourth night in a row at Lucky Boys. I am pretty sure I had attained a reputation among the staff after my stunts with the 1000 baht garland and 100 baht whisky shots tips. I signalled to the boys to be patient and wait. I had invited Anddy again for my last night in Bangkok. He messaged me that he would be late but he would definitely come. Some customers at a booth sofa seat leave. Yippee! The night can finally begin. L arranges for my drinks to be moved and I settle into the sofa seat. I signal to the two boys whom I had offed the previous two nights - Cambodia boy and Viet boy. Big smiles and warm hugs as I seat them to my right and left and as I wrap my hands closely around their waists. “Tonight no off. Tonight we drink. Tonight happy happy. I give tip,” I explain to both boys. Waiter prepares drinks for them. I pull them closer and my hands start groping freely under the table. We toast drinks. P my favourite Thai boy is not to be seen. “He no work today,” I am told. Darn. I know P loves to drink and he would be the perfect drinking companion. No matter. There were four of us at the booth sofa seat - mamasan, two gogo boys and me. I took out a deck of playing cards, shuffled them and explained the first game Up or down. A card is drawn and you have to guess whether the next card is bigger (Up) or smaller (Down). If wrong, must drink a half-filled shot of whisky neat. We play and there’s lots of laughs. The show begins but we are busy playing that we don’t watch it. Anddy arrives and I update him on our game. “You want to invite your boy over?” I ask Anddy. He looks around the bar. Easy to spot by his broad smile. He comes and join us. 6 of us now playing the game. We stop momentarily because of an interesting solo performance by a ladyboy. He is attired in tights and his face in painted like a mask. instead of singing, he does the most exquisite ballet-like dance. It would not be uncommon to see such artistic performances at a proper arts theatre but here he was doing it in a gogoboy bar in Patpong. His face was emotionless and he had a fixed gaze throughout his routine which adds to the mystery. Appreciative applause from the audience. He then exits quickly in the same mysterious manner that he had appeared. A singing ladyboy comes on stage. we continue our game. Cambodia boy is tipsy. He says he doesn’t want to play. Time to change the game. I take out 100 baht notes and place them under each of the 5 whisky glasses. New game called in-between. Two cards. Guess the next card. If it is within the two cards, you win 100 baht. If not, must drink. There is choice to pass if the two cards are not in your favour e.g. 3 and 6. Not as easy as it looks. Viet boy gets a 2 and 9. “You want to open card?” I ask. “Yes! Open!” Third card is a 9. Loud uproar. He has to drink. We play for a good half an hour. I keep refilling - both the whisky glasses and the 100 baht notes. Other waiters and mamasans come over to have a look. They want a piece of the action but I ignore them. I lose track of time. I look at stage. 11.45pm. Show has ended and gogo boys start going up on stage. Anddy decides to off his boy and boy goes off to change. Wise to stop him as his luck tonight hasn’t been good. If he continues losing and drinking forfeits, he will be definitely be dead drunk. I look at the bottles. Left half a bottle. I decide to expediate the game. I fill the whisky glasses to the brim. The boys are undeterred and willing to bet. Delight and ecstasy when they win. Sighs and a forced gulp to down the whisky when they lose but determination to play the next round. Anddy was kind enough to contribute some 100 baht notes when I ran out. I had to ask waiter to swap 1000 baht note to 100 baht notes. By the time all the whisky had finished, i had given away 3000 baht. Cambodian boy was drunk but very happy. He flashes his 100 baht notes at me. “Money. Money. Happy. Happy.” He kisses and hugs me. Anddy leaves with his boy who has managed to win some rounds despite starting off disastrously. I say goodbye to Anddy. “See you in December.” i tip Cambodia and Viet boys in addition to what they have won. They say they have never been so happy before. I get up to leave. I tell young mamasan L, “I tip you outside.” We all go out to the entrance of the bar where the stairs and balcony is. I surprise L by taking out a 1000 baht garland and placing it on his neck. He looks dumbfounded and in a state of shock. After recovering from the pleasant surprise, he hugs me tightly. Everyone there and then was smiling broadly. We take some photos together - L, the waiter who had served our table and the two Cambodia and Viet boys. I shall look at the photos happily from now until December when I return to Bangkok.

I sat there looking at all the gogoboys for about 20 minutes uninterrupted. At about 10:15pm, I decided on a twinkish gogoboy for short time. His erection in his briefs and his smile were the deciding factors. Vietnamese lad with little English. It’s alright. There’s Google Translate. I am allowed to immediately pay off fee without buying any boy drink. We went out the exit just as Luckyboys show was about to start. “Not staying to watch show?” mamasan L asked. “I see two times.” “But every day no same same.” Wow. I am impressed. But tonight I would give it a miss. Cute Viet boy awaits. We made our way back to hotel. Unfortunately, this time round, I was called out by the night guard. As Viet boy followed me to the lift, the night guard called out to him in Thai. I quickly stepped in and said "Friend. Friend. Drink." Night guard reluctantly let Viet boy go without having to register. After our short time lasting an hour plus, I intentionally walked Viet boy down. We passed by the guard and i greeted him. "Friend finish drink". Viet boy went off while i headed off to the bars to continue the night. I believe i got caught out because Viet boy looked young enough to be my son. i next spent half an hour at at Patpong listening to live band. At 12.30am, I entered Jupiter. The Singers PJ and Poppy had already started singing. Scattered groups of female customers with Jupiter boys around the bar. I enjoy the singing until the last song at 2am. To be honest, I think I am infatuated with PJ and Poppy. I asked them for photo and they obliged. I was a happy fanboy as I went back to hotel.

L squeezed in and sat next to me. He placed an ashtray and drew out his lighter. Top marks for remembering your customers' habits! I took out a cigarette and L asked as he lighted it, "How was H last night?" I smiled. A few seconds later, I spotted H going up on stage. I waved hi to him. He flashed his irresistable smile. Should I long time him again? I had intention to go to Jupiter for their midnight singing performances tonight. Images of H's perfect ass and his awesome cum shot came back to my mind. Time to order my drink. Nah, I decided not to off H. I ordered a beer for myself and 5 shots of whisky. A few minutes later, the beer and shots arrived. I motioned H to come to the side of the stage then i stood up to offer him the shot of whisky and a 100 baht note. I toasted my bottle of beer to his shot of whisky and he drank up gratefully. It was very overt and everyone in the bar could see me. I did it 4 more times to 4 other gogo boys - P, my Thai regular boy (who got 1000 baht garland the previous night), no.54 (Anddy's boy), the dancer no.60 and a boy wearing a cap who was smiling at me throughout. It was, like the 1000 baht garland, something unexpected and really out of character. It wasn't planned and i only decided on it when sat on the sofa. I believe subconsciously I was sending a message to the mamasans. Boy the Vietnamese waiter came over and said, "Why you buy shots? You should buy bottle!" He was right of course. No wonder he got promoted from waiter to mamasan to cashier!

Yes, please go to the forum indicated. One area with bars is under development and places have relocated. You really need the latest as any other guide and most sites are woefully out of date the Gay Thailand forum is up to date and reliable. Hey, I post there it has to be good!

Yes, no trip to Thailand is complete for me without breakfast at Foodland Patpong 2, pizza at Madrid Tavern, Patpong 1, chicken with cashews at Oasis and schnitzel at Alt Heidelberg , Beach Rd Pattaya. But as one can see I'm not exactly gourmet cuisine lover so follow my culinary advices at your own peril, lol. Still hope after renovations Oasis will reopen and at one point I will be able to enjoy my favorite meal there

After my massage at Adam Massage, I wandered around a bit. I ended up at a store and came upon the stationery section. I saw staplers and a thought came to my mind. I picked up a stapler and went to pay for it. Back in the hotel room, I found ten hundred baht notes and stapled them into a garland! it was such a spur of the moment kind of act. At the back of mind, I have had fantasies about giving a thousand baht garland on a gogo boy after reading about such instances at Jupiter. I did not know what came over me but I just went to make my own garland. I think it’s a kind of bucket list thing - things to experience in lifetime. night came and I headed back to Lucky Boys. This time, I deliberately sat right at the top seats behind the DJ control section. I must say it’s quite a distance and I had to squint to see the number tags on the boys. I ordered a Heineken. Some of the mamasans and waiters recognised me from the previous night. “You want to order bottle?” No bottle for me tonight sorry. Their next question - “your farang Friend no come tonight?” referring to forum member Anddy. same as previous night, bar had customers but not full. From the seats at the top, I could see what was going on at the bar. Three of the armchairs were filled with big spenders who ordered bottle service. Boys invited to sit with them to drink and play games. I saw one table where they played dice and presumably the loser had to drink up. There were mamasans and waiters who sat in as well, entertaining the big spenders. show started and surprise surprise, the numbers were all different! Yes there were mostly ladyboy acts but the songs were different. Ditto for the other performances. I appreciate the variety available and effort put in (some of the dancers wore elaborate costumes and it would have cost money to have so many different acts). the moment finally arrived - the big cock show. I called mamasan L over then opened my bag and passed him the baht garland. He went down to the stage and put it on P, my Thai gogoboy. P was stunned but his smile and reaction was priceless. The other boys and audience clapped. after the show ended, the gogo boys went on stage. I asked L to call over a Cambodian boy. No. 20. “Longtime ok?” I asked him. Yes and I paid up. An unpleasant incident happened next. Cambodian boy, H speaks very good English. I suggested we eat first before the night. We ended up at Foodland Patpong. He orders the steak set. Waitress brings over salad and toasted bread loaf. H was puzzled and said he didn’t order those. “Comes with set” waitress tells him. Quite an amusing scene. H has never eaten salad before. I take a few bites then he tries them and before long, he finishes the whole bowl of salad. “Salad very good!” he says in his perfectly pronounced English. Thais would have said “Very goose!” we get back to the hotel and agreed on the arrangement. Sex then sleep until 8am for second round. H keeps his word. Thoroughly worth the 3000 baht long time fee. Up till now, I cannot forget the image of his perfectly formed buttocks. No six pec abs like some of the other boys but overall a nice body and a cute smile!

I have stayed at Siam Heritage once a VERY long time ago (might be 10 years), also issues with joiners. Obviously, they still have the same policy of requiring to formally register guests AND pay 900 Baht given the sign at reception jason1975 mentions. But apparently jason1975 had no issues with joiners. Either they relaxed the enforcement of the rules, or jason was just lucky. Here is a theory (jus t a theory, of course) which might explain such luck: jason1975 is Asian, so coming with a boy maybe night guards mistake them for a regular Asian gay couple staying at the hotel. Whereas in a (older) farang plus boy case it would be much more obvious what's going on and they'd be stopped. No idea if there is any truth to this, but I'd advise caution booking this hotel. There have been so many reports of joiner issues (much more recent and therefore more relevant than my old experience) that I wouldn't really trust my luck there, especially as a farang. My 2 cents.

A drink in Dick's, watching the crowds- tourists, dancers, staff- the cheapest and best (almost) way to spend an hour in Bangkok. And the same goes for Panorama. Ten years ago.

For decades it was a favourite destination for masses of gay visitors to Bangkok. A few will not have liked it - the increasingly aggressive touts, the decline in the quality of the shows, the regular increases in drink prices to almost ridiculous levels and so on. I can quite understand that some preferred to keep away. On the other hand, even if my visits to the gogo bars declined in recent years, I enjoyed sitting in Dicks Cafe, enjoying a couple of drinks, a reasonable meal and the chance to sit and just people watch. Increasingly I preferred the attentions of some of the cute waiters in the beer bars where drinks were far more reasonably priced and where the company was often great fun. But time moves on. It was a part of my history that I will recall with much pleasure.

But rest assured it was favorite of many

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Thank you for very entertaining and dynamic report, waiting for more impatiently, I haste to say !

Anddy spots a Cambodian boy he has offed before and invites him to sit. Big broad cute smile! I call the waiter to prepare a drink for Cambodian boy. Right decision to order the bottle. Altogether there were 5 glasses of Jack Daniel drinks constantly refilled throughout the show. By the time the show ended, there was only a little bit left in the bottle. Did we really drink that much? Hmm. One more piece of nugget to share. The cubicles at the Lucky Boys toilets are separated by partitions but the partitions are made of plastic and see through! I had a free peek at a gogo bar peeing. I go back to our seats and insisted that Anddy visit the toilet. He comes back and says that a gogoboy was peeing openly next to him and letting him see. What an ingenious choice of design by Lucky Boys owner! Bless you for giving us an avenue to indulge our voyeuristic and cruising fantasies! I had always wondered whether Lucky Boys was an equal merger between X-Boys and Classic Boys. Most of the show numbers were from Classic Boys. Ditto for the mamasans. More mamasans from Classic Boys compared to X-Boys. The final confirmation came in the receipt I got back after using my credit card to pay for my bottle of Jack Daniels. Printed on the receipt - “New Classic Boys Club” Anddy decided not to off his boy today but gave him a tip. I paid for P’s off and tipped Boy and L. I also tipped a ladyboy who exposed her breasts during her song. Damn, I have never seen breasts so symmetrical. My final tip went to a chubby but cute gogo boy who danced very well. I said goodbye to Anddy as we parted outside. It was a real pleasure being with Anddy and checking out all the boys together. In the hotel room, P and I had sex first then spent the next hour listening to Thai music while drinking whisky and smoking cigarettes that I brought from Singapore. At about 2 plus, P left. I could feel the effects of the whisky starting to kick in. I slept and only woke up at 11am the next day.

I get reacquainted with Boy, a Vietnamese mamasan from X-Boys. He doesn’t wear yellow polo T-shirt like the waiter and mamasans because he’s the cashier. I ask him about the boys. He tells me that his roommate and fellow waiter at X-Boys, Z, whom I saw in March has gone back to Vietnam. That’s 3 Viet boys (Y, the gogo boy, Ken, the masseur and Z, the waiter) whom I know who have given up life in Bangkok. Perhaps Vietnam has progressed economically recently and there are more jobs available back home. Boy then asks me, “But P is still here. You want see him?” I was flabbergasted. “Isn’t P working at Jupiter?” As it turned out, P followed the other X-Boys boys to a Lucky Boys. “Yeah, sure.” It was 10:15pm and Anddy arrived. He was surprised that I ordered a bottle. I tell him that it makes sense economically and anyway I was on holiday so I felt generous. Anddy and I were mesmerised by the wide variety of boys on stage. Definitely more boys compared to Hot Male. And yes, they smile! Lucky Boys, however isn’t full. Probably because Dreamboys has just opened and taken away many of their customers. I counted about 20 customers spread out all around the cavernous bar. The show didn’t start at 10:30pm as promised. They waited for more customers to arrive before starting the show. There was an interesting couple seated next to Anddy and I. It was a farang and an Asian boy. They were there to select a boy for a threesome. There was a lone Korean-looking female customer in early 30s seated by herself. She seemed like one of those K-pop fanatics but her object of worship were the gogo boys on stage. There was a Thai couple in their 50s. I swear I have seen them before - perhaps at Moonlight? Just before the show starts, P arrrives. He seemed really glad to see me again. It was his off day today but he rushed over after Boy messaged him about his favourite customer from Singapore. He explains that he decided to join Lucky Boys instead of Jupiter after X-Boys closed. He says that it was a wise choice. “Many customers.” P tells me that he got 4 offs in a typical week during the first month of Lucky Boys. But business has slowed after Dreamboys opened. The show finally begins. The routine is classic Classic Boys - 4 boys dancing around a singing ladyboy. But these boys dance better than those at Jupiter and Moonlight. And those smiles! But things went downhill after that. It was just a series of lip syncing by ladyboys - without the dancing boys! They only appear in two performances - the opening act and the closing act which is Lady Gaga’s Bad Romance. There were two erotic dance numbers. Cocks visible but not as hardcore as Hot Male. “No shower show,” P laments. P used to do shower show at X-Boys. “Nevermind, you can do shower show for me in hotel room.”

Night came and off I went to Foodland Patpong for dinner before going to Lucky Boys. Invited Anddy and he said he would arrive after 10pm. I entered Lucky Boys at 9.30pm and was led to a front row seat. 20 boys in their custom made Lucky Boy black briefs on stage. I recognised many of the boys and staff from Classic and X-Boys at Twilight. Waiters and mamasans in yellow polo shirts. Mama (or Lucy as some of you know her as) was dressed up as usual. The waiter came for my drinks order. I asked or the drinks menu, pointed at Jack Daniel and ask how much? The waiter seemed puzzled because the prices were on the menu. “Bottle,” I explained myself. The waiter then turned the menu over and I saw the bottles pricing. 4000 baht with mixers. I did a bit of mental calculation and went ahead to order it. I was expecting to stay the whole night and with Anddy joining me, I figured it would be cheaper to get a bottle than get individual drinks for us and the boys. A twinkish mamasan came over and spoke to me in Mandarin. I replied, “I’m from Singapore. I speak English.” But seeing how he’s actively trying to brush up his Mandarin (to obviously cater to Chinese customers) and due to the fact that I was impressed that he had learnt Mandarin on his own without attending any classes, I spoke to him in both languages throughout the night. Very cute boy with (you guess it!) a sweet smile. His name is L and he used to be a dancer at Classic then switched to be a waiter and has now worked his way up to be a mamasan. L has a very fun-loving personality. I asked him whether he can be offed. Unfortunately, he said no. I make a sad face. Maybe if we get to know each other better, who knows what might happen in the future?

Thank you lucky! I've been absent for months - just lurking because my January trip was so bad to Jomtien that I thought I would never be back, I was kidding myself. Even if Bangkok is a habit, it is a habit of thirty years. You make the honest point I have always made - It is hard and very expensive to get entertainment like this in the US. When I started my Bangkok habit there were, in fact, only a few bars like Twilight and My Way, Barbiery, Tawan, Golden Cock and a few long closed. The venues available are already around the same as my first trip. These reports are very encouraging.

The prison bodies on that Brazil episode cannot compare to what’s available at 117. Not even close!