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now you know why I like that bar !

I'll believe that when I see it. Plus you don't have to pay the 23-26 usd tourism tax on every ticket. So how was the 19 yr old Latino in LAX the other night?? You mean you've done a few that work for the government, lol

As the saying goes, "All work and no play makes Jack/Mack a dull boy". In Bangkok recently for work, I made sure my evenings were free. Then tacked on a few more days in Pattaya. The first of four trip reports is up at http://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog with one new report a day. Beware -- these are long reads. Sunday evening upload: Bangkok bars Monday evening upload: Bangkok massage Tuesday evening: Pattaya bars Wednesday evening: Pattaya massage.

did you say hi and start a conversation? or just staring, petrified? hahaha

There is significance and history associated with this flag, and it's not only used and flown in this country, it's shown in other countries as well. ...saw this flag amongst some of the protestors in the streets of London last week. Read the history of the flag, and perhaps you might change your stance.

I was walking Thaniya after one o’clock looking at the neon sign and wasn’t looking where I was going, nearly collided into some one. It was none other than Mr Babe, he was still wearing the famous Babe smile. lol

Oh, Rioblather, you’re overthinking it, as usual. The simplest, most concise explanation for how the garoto deals with the vast age / appearance gap is in a few lines from Tina Turner’s “Private Dancer”: ”You don't look at their faces And you don't ask their names You don't think of them as human You don't think of them at all You keep your mind on the money Keeping your eyes on the wall” That, and Sildenafil (generic Viagra)! Dont believe me? Here’s an excerpt of a garoto interview from the treatise discusses in the OP: “If it’s a young guy,” Adilson explains, “he gives me tesão, but with an old flabby man [velho todo caído] . . . ooooh, that’s more difficult.” He makes a disgusted face.... “When the boy is there with an ass in front of him and a job to do, it’s luckier to get a hot ass like Cavi did on his first time. Because, oh, first time was horrible! I got this Danny DeVito type. He was American, really short and fat. Holy shit! [Cruz credo!] It was horrible, oh horrible, but I made a lot of money . . .” He trails off in raucous laughter that goes on so long that it becomes infectious and we laugh with him.”

But Pence could never win a national election on his own. Unlike Trump, he has no cult following and can be easily defeated at the polls (assuming there is no election tampering from a foreign power).

I am going there in July(not the best time, hot, humid and frequent afternoon showers!)but I getting my permanent residency Visa! If you are 60 or older, and meet Mecico's financial requirements for monthly income and savings you can skip the 4 year TEMPORARY VISA And go right to permanent status. As a side benefit my Brazilian boyfriend is joining me there!

I'm taking you at your word and signaling my appreciation. Although. there is a certain air of sarcasm in the phrasing. I hope not.

Responding to PeterRS above: Interesting that you raised the issue of gender balance. This was one aspect that particularly struck me after a long hiatus from the scene, and indeed I have quite a bit to say about that (how did you guess?) I think this will be the real death knell for the bars. And I hope some bars begin to experiment with a “Men Only” door policy. Here are the social realities: Straight women outnumber gay men at least 10 to 1. Ditto straight men. Once straight women start getting comfortable in these bars, more and more will follow and gay men will be flooded out. Straight men, chasing women, will start to follow the straight women into the bars.That 10:1 demographic imbalance is such that we cannot pretend that a place can ever remain a gay safe space once the women start coming in numbers. We shouldn’t forget that even today, many gay men are still guarded about their sexual identities. I think it was here on Gay Thailand forum when, in another thread, an issue was made about a bar being careless with its videos, exposing faces of customers. This only shows how delicate the matter is. I had a friend who once noticed a (male) work colleague coming into the bar. He was almost freaked out when their eyes met (from nearly across the room). But at least he could say to himself, "well it’s a case of mutual assured destruction if he outs me. If he is in the bar, he’s gay too. To tell anyone that he saw me in this bar is to admit that he too was in the bar." So in that sense, it was still a safe space. But imagine if my friend noticed a straight female work colleague coming into the same bar (perhaps with a gaggle of other women). Immediately, he would be at a serious disadvantage. She could claim the moral superiority of being heterosexual and interested in the male form (socially fairly acceptable), but he would be exposed as gay (in many countries, still socially unacceptable). The threat of mutual assured destruction is no longer there; it is asymmetrical: a risk to the gay man, not a risk to the straight women. I think in the long run, the bars will need to implement either a men-only policy or have differential pricing where women have to pay twice or thrice what men pay. From some idealistic quarters I can hear people cry “discrimination”. Well, how about calling it “affirmative action” to protect a vulnerable group from being swamped out, and keeping a space safe for them? In any case, why is no one screaming hell and damnation for the discrimination that occurs in so many bars and dance clubs every week where, on “Ladies Nights”, women get in free or real cheap? Read this story from ThaiVisa https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/645338-sometimes-you-go-to-a-women-only-lounge-and-its-just-kind-of-depressing/ Ignore the details of the story. The point is that it describes a bar with a policy to exclude male patrons. If it’s OK to forbid entry to men, it should be OK to forbid entry to women. I come back to an earlier sentence: We shouldn’t forget that even today, many gay men are very guarded about their sexual identities. There is no doubt that there has been an Asianisation of these bars. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg. Consider three factors: The populations of China, India and Indonesia are huge; They will grow steadily wealthier; Their societies remain socially conservative. If we are seeing 200* gay men arriving each day from other Asian countries, some time down the road, we may see 2,000 a day. There is a future for these bars (and massage parlours); the potential market is there. But because their societies are socially conservative, it is important to keep the bars a safe space for them, otherwise why should they come? *A wild guess, not that I have any data.

I will make a short note then try to edit it - _________________________________________________________ It seems to be working this time. Thanks for looking into the problem

check that report. page 7 : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/12116-introduction/page/7/

I managed to get a few days off next week and plus Saturday and Sunday, I shall be back in the land of smiles for 5 nights. Shall check out the boys mentioned in ggokk’s report. Very excited to see the new gogo scene in Patpong after Soi twilight’s closure!

Great , witty and sexy reads about your recent adventures, too bad you did not go to Senso as I would be happy to read about your take on the place

SIMPLY gorgeous and quite, quite mouthwatering!

You are quite welcome!

I may not even go to the saunas: https://www.vivalocal.com/acompanhantes-gays/centro/italo-andrade-/197459096 https://www.vivalocal.com/acompanhantes-gays/centro/estevao--ator-porn---ativo-passivo-20cm-cartao/198300273

I sure am glad to have reached out to political and advocacy leaders and groups, learning about their lives and work, and looking forward to a return visit soon.

I understood the owners of BBB now are Chinese so they probably have no difficulty to bring large chinese bus tour group companies to their bar. If they have large groups on regular basis why should the boys bother they can be fully dressed and don't have to make any efforts for the customers... Once BBB was the best bar in Thailand for me, Now there's no point to visit there anymore.

#24 is on the top I am not a twink lover but I thought he is the most attractive one out of the bunch.

You used the term "Yankee aggression" to describe the Civil War. My, oh, my! All legitimate history books confirm the chief reason for the Civil War was because of disagreement over the enslavement of black people. The "South" wanted to keep slavery while those "Yankees" (as you call us) wanted to end it. Your calling that war "Yankee aggression" certainly explains your allegiance to Trump and your view of minorities. Write what you want in rebuttal, I will not be responding to you again. Oh, and your comment "I am defending the office of the US President." is a mockery considering how Trump has abused and disgraced that office beyond repair.

Recently Big boys bar in the neighbour soi also tried that concept, dressed boys and extremely overpriced drinks, and they stayed open less than three weeks before closing down. They however threw in a lot of ladyboy lipsync in their shows too... But I think some thai bar owners just don't realize that the reason why BBB is succesful is not because their boys and drinks are expensive and the boys are fully dressed, but because BBB have the contacts and cooperation with the large chinese bus tour group companies. It's not like those chinese decide themselves where to go - they follow the flag.

Quite superb writing! I hope there is a novel or a travelogue - or even a series - lurking somewhere on your wish list. (I would have said bucket list but am sure you are not yet at that more advanced age.) It is so good to have you back! Yet the tales of your visit do make for rather alarming reading, in particular what the bars are offering in their new locations, the types of boys available and the lack of customers. We have known that over the last 15 years or so both the dancing on stage and the customer base has changed dramatically. Same for the introduction of boys from neighbouring countries who are often more fussy about what they will and will not do compared to the Thais who strutted their stuff years ago. O tempora! O mores! I remember in your earlier incarnation in a thread about the changing nature of the gogo bar business, you gave a splendid description with a detailed diagram of the type of bar you believed should not just be considered but would be a success. If my memory is correct, this involved breaking bar areas down to much smaller sections, each with a different type of activity. For a supplement customers could enter a room with boys dancing naked as they used to do aeons ago. With the increasing Asian customer base and its different male to female balance, I wonder if you think this might still work. Or has the market changed too much for that business model to work? I do hope that at some time in the near future you will consider an article giving us your thoughts on the differences between those times and the present, as well as offering your predictions a to how you see the gogo bar business evolving over the next few years.

There are a number of US Ambassadors who are obeying by not flying the flag on the Embassy pole are; nonetheless, hanging it from the building over the entrance ,etc.

P.S. Actually I now (thankfully ) remember not one goddamned thing about PHP from 10+ years ago.

Ah! I had completely forgotten that complication here. Yes, fully agree that the 2 environments now interact with none of the weirdnesses that originally cropped up.

And the irony is that this was far easier to understand than your usual cryptic posts.

Or at 117, they keep their eyes glued to the straight porn on the tv.. The author of this book no doubt sampled the goods, but only for “research purposes” to better understand the psyche of the garoto.

Hoping things work out for you two Tomcal!

I have slowed down this past year, and I do have someone special! Thats all I am saying right now in case I slip up and fall back into old habits! LOL

LOL for anyone who has followed your well-documented sexcapades on this site over the years you would certainly appear to give a whole new meaning to the word 'boyfriend.'

I feel that Trump is one of the most despicable people in out world. Sadly, I fear anything happening to him because waiting in the wings is Pence, who could be even worse, considering his religious fervor and anti gay stance. I'm happy that I am not living in the US at this time.

Inquiring minds want to know: how did you convince MX you are 60 or older?

Thanks Msclelovr ! I plan on spending 2 weeks every other month there( more or less), I don't have to pay taxes on my income that is earned outside of Mexico, which is All of it. The only taxes I pay each year are my property taxes which are extremely low in Mexico. I am not getting citizenship, just permanent residency, that allows me to open checking/savings bank accounts, go thru the Mexican citizen line at customs in the airport, apply for their hospitalization plan If wanted, etc., And most importantly I can stay in Mexico 1 day or 1 year or longer with no limit on my stay(s).

I feel it may be more nuanced than you suggest. It may also be the influence of the Catholic Church. Discretion is advisable. In many areas, public displays are frowned upon. For example, there are gay-bashings in Polish cities. Social attitudes often lag behind equality policies. Yet I’ve dated several handsome young Slovaks - all of them 21-28, with ripped muscled bodies - who were great kissers, excellent cocksuckers and enthusiastic bottoms.

I’m not going to do a diary type thing as I tend to have chill days where I like to do pretty much nothing. It’s a holiday after all and I need the downtime from work. Also, I very rarely go to the bars so my focus this holiday will likely mainly be on Massage places. If those have no interest for you, move on and read some of the other fine threads here. Helios I hadn’t been here since it was Blue House massage but, having read somewhere that it was the only boy massage place that does a soapy massage, thought I’d give it a whirl. The outside now really doesn’t seem inviting. I guess I’m inconsistent because I also hate being grabbed by the arm somewhere as I walk past, but for me having a few boys outside smiling is welcoming. I can’t say I’ve ever had a bad massage at Blue House, but then many of my visits were to see Ken who was very good. On entering, the boys gathered. There were only 5 of them and a mix, a couple were youngish (probably very early 20’s), the others late. 20’s or likely older (it’s so hard to guess age sometimes). Last holiday I spent going for the cutest guys and had very mixed results, this time I went back to the adage ‘go for the biggest smile’. One of the early 20’s guys was smiling really broadly, the others either half-hearted smiles or none at all. Though the smiling boy was cute, with a toned swimmers body, he was more tattooed than I might usually choose. He was the one I chose though and an hours ‘foam massage’ as they call it rather than soapy. He left me to grab an initial shower while he collected the bits. There was a fairly large waterproof mattress on the floor, otherwise the room was like a large shower room. With massage places, I rarely ask in advance what someone will “do”. I really like the not knowing how far someone will go. Sometimes that leads to disappointment, other times to unexpected good times. We were both naked from the start which is always a good start but not always indicative of how things will end. Having never had a soapy massage before, i wasn’t sure what to expect from the massage itself. It’s obvious that there will be lots of body to body, what is probably intuitive but I wasn’t 100% sure on was how firm or otherwise the massage would be. The answer was that it was mostly sensual body to body massage and little firm massage techniques. He started with a back massage before turning to bum and legs. How a masseur treats your backside is always a good indication to me of how far they will go and what they are up for. If they give your crack a wide birth, chances are anything later will be perfunctory at best. This guy very early ran his fingers deep down the crack of my ass paying close attention to my asshole and on to the base of my dick. Though he didn’t linger too long it was a good sign. The massage progressed with a lot of mutual contact and a lot of feeling up. He was hard as a rock in not too much time and took great delight in massaging my ass crack with his dick. Once he turned me over there really wasn’t much massage, it was almost entirely frontage. He still had a smile on his face and it wasn’t too long before he got a condom and lube out. I do wish he’d used more of the lube as he was a very aggressive top in multiple positions but I wasn’t going to stop him once he got started as it was so fucking good. After about 15 minutes he came and lay on top of me finishing me off. Overall, I could take or leave a “soapy massage” but if the sex in it is always that good then it’s well worth the time. 1 hour foam massage was 600b. Minimum tip was 1000b but I gave him 1500b. Well worth it.

999 Massage (Jomtien Complex) Unfortunately my back has been playing up so I’ve been avoiding aggravating it further but finally decided to try this place. Set up like a standard massage place with chairs downstairs. Probably 12 guys available and decided on a one hour aroma massage so as not to push it. Upstairs lots of cubicles but not floor to ceiling. No shower before (or after ). Boy seemed to know what he was doing massage wise though was wearing underwear and T shirt. Very quickly realised there would be at lease a Happy ending as he pressed his crotch into my feet and hands as the massage progressed. Although the massage was reasonably good, it certainly didn’t last an hour. The boy gave me an exquisite BJ however so I wasn’t complaining. This may be my last massage of the trip. My back is pretty bad and I need to avoid making the trip home a nightmare.

What is p*n*tr*t**n? I want Mr Smart to top me too!

Drim, you need to get your stories straight. If you have first hand experience then please share it. But why pass on Rumors??

I disagree with this. I've found lots of guys who are great at giving head when I'm wearing a condom. The techniques might be a bit different, sometimes maybe a bit "rougher" and even a little with the teeth. Also, because I firmly believe that sex workers have every right to ask a customer to wear a condom, including for oral sex, I think it's important - and really quite easy - have the attitude "Sure, put a condom on me, it will still be fun and I'm so glad you're taking your health seriously." If people get all pouty face or start cutting tips because their guy asks them to wear a condom then it is unfair and sends the wrong signal.

Anando Massage (a couple of doors down from Sun City Hotel) Ok, this one isn’t an M2M massage at all. I’ve had problems with my big toe nails since my Days of military service. My nails curve too much so cut in at the sides. Normally I cut my own nails and suffer a lot. Last year I got caught in a rain shower and rather than get soaked, decided on a foot massage. This was the place I was walking past. Due to either miscommunication or the middle aged masseur seeing my nails, she decided I was getting a pedicure. Long story short, she really did a number on my nails and it was a bit painful as she did it but I’ve not had a problem in the year since. Went back this time for another pedicure. Realise that I’ve been to chiropodist for years who have never been able to give me more than a month or two of relief. Soda Massage (Jomtien Complex) Since Fah Massage is now closed, decided to try Soda, across the T junction from Fah in Jomtien Complex. Probably 15 guys to choose from twink & fem types to more muscle. Wasn’t offered a shower beforehand (or after for that matter). One Hour oil massage 400b. The boy was clothed throughout and the massage was mediocre. Little strength to it and no sensuality. He had all the techniques and moves but simply didn’t apply any pressure. The place itself has little cubicles with flimsy walls and slide doors that don’t shut properly. Luckily we were in an end cubicle and I heard no other customers while I was there. The end of the massage was a bit strange, still fully clothed he finished off the massage, grasped my dick which he had studiously avoided for an hour (as well as ignoring every other errogenous zone) and tried desperately to get me erect. By this time I wasn’t horny in the slightest so stopped him and got dressed. Not somewhere I will go back in a hurry. Could just be the masseur but the environment wasn’t very conducive either. Ice Massage (Tukcom Area) I’ve walked my this place a few times over the last couple of years but never gone in. Historically, it’s always seemed only a couple of boys around. This time there were loads. Probably 6 boys outside and another 10 visible through the window. Decided to give it a shot. Presented with the standard list of massages but at the bottom of the list “Erotic Massage” 1000b for 90 mins. 500b min tip. Well, I had to give it a try didn’t I? Mostly twink and fem boys to choose from. No muscled types. Chose a reasonably tall boy, early 20’s at a guess with very thin, but not fem, frame. Showered alone and then the massage began. It was a good massage. It just wasn’t an erotic massage. The masseur was naked throughout and there was lots of body contact, it just wasn’t erotic. When I was asked to turn over, I’d pretty much given up but the strangest thing happened. Throughout the massage he had been completely limp. Even through the body contract, not even a slight chubbing up. When he turned me over though he first massaged my legs, arms and body while sat between my legs maintaining body contact then he started on my dick and groin. What was strange was that within 10 seconds of him starting touching my dick, he was absolutely rock hard. It didn’t take me very long before I was the same and we had a really great last 20 minutes with lots of play. So, overall a good massage but not ‘erotic’ and good play at the end. Will go back for another round later in the holiday.

Delicious...haa haa

As arranged since last week, I went to pick up my babe boy around 11:30 at moonlight.. Mamasan was waiting for me outside the club (she called me while I was in the hotel elevator to make sure I was on my way).. she waved at me when she saw me walking into the lane .. I didn't have to enter the club, she said babe boy was ready.. while we were talking, he came out and greeted to me.. my heart was pounding fast and I could feel it as if it was up in my throat.. then he went inside again to collect his stuff.. I felt a bit awkward since two or three doormen were looking at us.. after a couple minutes, he came out again, with a backpack, and all set to go .. I gave the off fee (model off fee) plus tip to Mamasan .. he also was giving them (mamasan and doormen) tips.. I was so thrilled with joy that I was even ready to make the same mistake which I did with Nicky last year.. this time, it was not him, but myself who offered him if he wanted to go eat anything, like japanese .. but he said he just had "a buffet" and was full.. so we just crossed the road and went to my hotel right away.. after we got to my hotel, I showed him my collection of his pictures and video clips on pornhub and other porn sites.. we spent a few minutes warming up, watching his own video clips and chatting about his family and his girl friend.. he let me know his limits .. (but in reality he became more relaxed at the end, broke some of his rules for me).. as a self claimed straight guy, he didn't do much (yet).. in addition, he is a very shy boy, the most uptight among 3 models I have met from moonlight.. but he is the one with the most potential (after nicky) .. He stayed with me for about 2 hours .. I asked him if he could stay overnight.. he said he has never stayed overnight with customers.. we hugged again and I noticed that he still had the hardon... he said he jerks off every morning … I paid his tip to him, kissed on his cheek, hugged his small, yet completely muscular body again.. he said "forget me" walking out of my room.. I said "I will come find you tomorrow again." we laughed together.. and he left. Overall, it was a very satisfying experience to me .. he was quite shy (which I don't mind), but became more accommodating towards the end.. good enough to quench my curiosity. if someone asks me if I am willing to spend that much baht again for any model from moonlight, I would say yes and it will be for him.

Mmmmm...

Most of us already know that Trump is bigoted and hateful (and crazy). However, last week he did something no one outside of an insane asylum would do - Question - what business is it of Trump which flag is on an American Embassy in foreign countries? Read this: U.S. Prohibits Embassy in Brazil From Flying LGBT Rainbow Flag Posted: 08 Jun 2019 01:32 AM PDT By Contributing Reporter RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL – The Donald Trump administration has banned U.S. embassies abroad, including that in Brasília, from flying the LGBT pride flag on their official flagpoles during the month of June. The information comes from NBC, citing three American diplomats. President Obama’s government had granted general permission for embassies to […] The post U.S. Prohibits Embassy in Brazil From Flying LGBT Rainbow Flag appeared first on The Rio Times. And this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236