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Patpong 2 gets more diverse foot traffic that includes many locals and many international visitors who've never heard of Twilight. I tend to think the show will be try to attract those who found the old Dreamboy show alluring plus something to reel in the uninitiated passer by. Perhaps a dollop of wholesomeness with handsome guys with good bodies sure to attract the ladies. Sure, most of us with prefer fewer females but we have to face the financial facts of life. In the end, it's preferable to have a venue with a mixed clientele than no venue at all.

Why derail threads with your personal drama? If you don't like Riobard, just don't respond. I don't know the neighborhoods, am not going to learn the neighborhoods, and don't speak Portuguese so I'm never going to get in with the locals. What I do like is reading threads about places I might go with useful information. If I wanted to watch a pissing contest, I'd pull up pornhub.

Now that would be a nice turn of events

I also think that a sexy, teasing number of boys catering to ladies is an effective formula for a good show (just like Jupiter2018) but I believe it should also have hot, explicit part (just like in Moonlight), that would make it a perfect show, that's only my opinion.

TO ANYONE WHO THINKS IT'S OVER, IT'S NOT. As the NYT notes, AG Barr has been doing some fancy footwork. EXPECT MORE TO COME. For my part, I've been of the opinion that Trump's major crimes have been largely outside the relatively narrow Mueller guidelines, and consists of the entire nature of his business for the past 30 years, largely serving as a money-laundering front for Russian oligarchs and gangsters. Whether that comes under scrutiny depends to some degree on what Democrats in Congress want to do with it, but to a greater degree if the prosecutors in the Southern District of New York are committed to pursuing it. Finally, as to whether the Putin government pursued social media cyberwarfare in favor of Trump, there seems to be agreement that they did, by both Mueller and everyone else inside the Beltway. They seem to be at a loss as to what to do about it. The Russians indicted are not likely to show up in court.

As the seasons change and the saunas become slower with international travelers, its supply and demand...' When there are more boys than clients, everybody makes less money and it becomes more work than it is when there are tons of guys in the saunas seeking out the garotos... Some travel back to wherever they live...some travel abroad, some work their regular jobs...I did find out that most of the guys that are in the saunas during the peak season...December to right after Carnival have other things to do... You will notice the guys who are in the sauna scene throughout the year because they are the ones who everybody seems to know versus the guys who come to Rio during the high tourist season where they make the most money

... I kinda love you for this line!

Day 5 woke up, had breakfast then back to hotel room to rest. weather outside is hot. In afternoon, went to Baan Tewa for massage with regular guy. Same excellent service. Showered together after massage. When I came down to reception, there were 2 young Chinese customers. Both of them were there for first time. The main guy was asking questions in English, “Pay now or pay after massage? Minimum tip give now or give to boy?” Then the massage boys lined up (6 of them including my guy who just finished with me). China guy told his friend in Chinese, “Point to who you like”. They chose two boys - not my regular guy though. After I finished wearing my shoes, I cut across and passed him my customary 2,000 baht tip but folded. Thinking back, I should have given my tip openly just to see the reactions of the Chinese customers. Anyway, I am happy for Baan Tewa that they have Chinese customers. It means that they have been receiving good word of mouth in the Chinese forums. More business for them and their boys. Baan Tewa is my favourite niche massage shop and it’s thanks to Divine Madman’s recommendation years ago.

Dream Boy and Boys Bangkok will be relocated to Patpong 2 and will now be called Dreamboy Paradiso which will open on April 1, 2019, here's the pics of the new bar, location map and Available drinks soon...according to their FB page they will have a new show, new style and new prices for the drinks.

From South China Morning Post (25 Mar.) Who won Thailand’s election? Stand-off as military-backed Palang Pracharat and Shinawatra proxy Pheu Thai both claim victory The military-backed Palang Pracharat party wins the popular vote, while the Shinawatra-backed Pheu Thai wins the most seats And the leader of a third party – who goes by the name of ‘Daddy’ – says he is ready to be prime minister. Welcome to Thai politics The bitter political stand-off between Thailand’s rural-backed democrats and establishment elites who support military rule showed no signs of abating after Sunday’s general election, with both sides claiming they have the right to form the next government after five years of junta rule. After a tumultuous 24 hours – replete with complaints about the election commission’s announcements on the progress of vote counting – official results showed the two top parties were the Palang Pracharat party backed by the military and the Pheu Thai party linked to exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. The third biggest party was the newcomer Future Forward party, which stunned observers by grabbing 80 seats after being founded just last year. The party’s billionaire leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit, a former supporter of Thaksin’s bloc and an ardent critic of the junta who has been nicknamed ‘daddy’ by his fans, suggested he was personally ready to be prime minister of a broad pro-democracy coalition. He said his top preference however was for the Pheu Thai leader Sudarat Keyuraphan to assume the role. Meanwhile, Thaksin, in Hong Kong after attending his youngest daughter’s wedding in the city last Friday, penned a commentary in the New York Times blasting the junta and the election commission for “manipulating” the vote. “Whether or not the junta leaders now allow the pro-democracy parties to form a government, they will find a way to stay in charge,” he wrote. “They have no shame, and they want to be in power no matter what.” His main political proxy, Pheu Thai, however, was not taking the result lying down. It said on account of having won the most numbers of seats it had begun talking to other anti-junta parties about forming a coalition government in the 500-seat parliament. On the opposing end, the Palang Pracharat said it was also in the thick of cobbling together a coalition. It cited its capture of a majority of the popular vote as a sign that the Thai people wanted it, and not Pheu Thai, in government. Continues with photos https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3003202/who-won-thailands-election-stand-military-backed-palang

Wow, that's a possibility and perhaps a new Soi Twilight? A boy can dream, lol

I find myself lately under my breath chanting ‘SDNY’ to the tune of the old disco hit ‘YMCA.’ The action ain’t yet over by a mile. And then the state-level investigations still underway. And what the House may find.

yes, I remember is from my first trips in 2001 and 2002

I think the bar opposite Tawan was called Tomahawk (or at least it was in the early 2000s, before solid opened

Two comments... The new bar appears to have many windows. Maybe it will be more like the new Music Bar in Pattaya? Also when you guys Quote try to only pick up the text. No need to have the Pics included many times... Koop khun krub

They sure do have full service. I didn’t wanna have it that’s why I didn’t mention. Not because the please is bad it was just because of my random mood not wanted to

this is exactly what I thought reading post above yours

It's going to seem like a new area opened up to us. If it becomes popular, more bars in Patpong may go gay!

Exactle. Respective body-part proportions have to change radically with changes in size/scale/weight. Thus an ‘enlarging man’ a la various comic books etc would find himself in serious trouble. Examples are all around. Look at how an elephant, not to add a brontosaurus, has to be proportioned to support itself.

Is it just me, or is it TINY? Especially considering the size of Dreamboys currently.

Actually, no need to kid...to all appearances much of Twilight is moving to the other side of Surawong and brushes up alongside soi 4. Now awaiting news of Hot Male's journey...

About 39 metres from my favourite King Castle ladyboys bar.

Hi All I'm just home from two weeks in Thailand I've been an avid reader of these forums since I started travelling to Thailand over 5 years ago, and it has been of enormous help to me! So I thought it was time to finally give something back. This is not a "full trip report" - no discussions of daily itineraries or offs - I've just written some general notes on the bars I visited on this recent trip. These comments / observations are based around my own experiences and preferences, and I'm sure there will be some disagreements and maybe some reiteration with other threads, but nonetheless, let me know your thoughts. Jupiter - I made three visits here. For me, probably the best selection of guys in BKK. If you like young guys, with boy-next-door / model looks and athletic bodies, then there is lots of choice here. One of the guys who takes part in the main solo and group dance numbers was particularly hot - I don't know if his name is Arm or Aek? (I'm going by the Jupiter thread.) What I also liked about this club when I first visited it last year was that the mamsans were not pushy. Neung was so nice and very helpful to me on that visit. However, this year he was on holiday to Pattaya, and I struggled to get the attention of any of the other mamasans at all. They all seemed to be glued to particular customers (big tippers?). Even when I asked one of them about pricing, he just told me how much it was and then walked away - didn't seem interested in helping. Nevertheless, I got what I wanted in the end, after some persistence. Another lesson learned here was to ask for the one you want early to avoid disappointment! They get taken quickly. Moonlight - I was so happy to finally visit Moonlight. The club opened just after my last visit in 2018, so for the last year, I've been following it through this forum and the live Facebook videos - so to see the stars was like seeing celebrities! Mr. Babe is beautiful and his dancing made him even more attractive. And I found Mr. Smart to be more handsome than his pics. Maybe it's his neat haircut, but he looks more like an educated, middle-class professional than most of the other boys. He was in a choreographed matador routine with Mr. Lucky which I wasn't a big fan of. Sadly no Nicky! Some of the non-superstar guys available here are also pretty good looking. But it made me wonder - why would you want to work in a bar like this where you are treated as a second-tier model, when you could work somewhere like Jupiter - where all gogos are created equal? Or do you think they hope to graduate to superstar? Mamasans here were very pleasant, and I'm also glad they removed that staircase that used to come down over the audience onto the front of the stage. It blocked the view. X-Boys - I love the crew here. They welcome my friend and I back with hugs and kisses every year - and our wallets! But I find them so charming and hilarious that I don't mind - it's always a good night. The boys here are typically on the twinkish side and I've enjoyed several boys from this establishment - but to be honest, for the last couple of years, I've found the best eyecandy here to be the Viet waiters. Mamsan here told me that they are moving after next month, but she doesn't know where. But as per the other threads on this topic, it seems like all the bars have been saying this for the last year, so it's hard to know if its real or not. As for the Soi itself - I wouldn't have described it as quiet - there seemed to be a steady stream of people at the lower end - but its certainly quieter as the years pass, and sad to see the corrugated iron fencing covering up the closed businesses at the far end. Dreamboys - the first bar I ever visited in Bangkok (as per a recommendation on this forum of course) so I always love coming back here. I find the shows here to be the wackiest of the bars that I regularly visit. I visited only once on this trip, and arrived late, so missed the giant inflatable cock soaking everyone, but was treated to screeching ladyboys plucking some innocents from the audience, stripping them and pretending to fuck them on stage before squirting cream everywhere. I find it so ridiculous it's actually funny. Always a varied selection of guys here - something for everyone. But the stage was not as crowded as it was on previous years. I've been hoping that the handsome coyote dancer who has been there for years will one day be available.... Tawan - the guys in this bar are not specifically my type - more mature, bodybuilder-types - nor am I a fan of masks and leather gear, but something always draws me to come back here. It's almost mesmerising watching them, just for their size! They had an interesting show with an airport security theme - you can imagine. BoyzBoyzBoyz (Pattaya) - I would say I come to Pattaya just for BBB. There is a varied selection of guys here and I've always found something that has piqued my interest - plus, I like taking someone to the short time rooms upstairs while the show is still ongoing. But this year the guys were all fully dressed in street clothes (except for 2 or 3 who were shirtless) - I was suprised how much this reduced the hotness of the selection. In the end I ended up getting nothing at all. BBB also has a fairly skilful show. There was an acrobatic/gymnastic routine at the very beginning, and then the regular breakdancers, who are always very impressive. The compere/owner of this club is also pretty funny, and a young waiter with anime hair is always really friendly to us. At midnight, everyone was ushered over to the new disco bar on the other side of the street. I didn't fully understand the point of this. The same selection of boys just stand on the stage at the second venue and everything continues as normal. Some general observations on the crowds: Not very many farang - mainly Asian customers now (Chinese). I guess that for the gay communities in western europe and north america, cultural/societal and technological changes mean that there is perhaps less of a desire to travel so far for paid sex. (I, on the other hand, don't know why everyone doen't want to come here for these adventures!) Also, a lot more women. This was particularly evident in BBB. On both nights, it was filled with large groups of both Asian and Western women. I find these loud, drunk young girls annoying to be honest. The Asian girls do seem to bring down guys from the stage to talk and party with them, but I don't think they off them. And the white girls just seem to come to gawk and laugh. But at the same time I understand, and reluctanly appreciate that a wider demographic may be required to keep these clubs open. I just hope they don't open their own women-only clubs and steal all the guys. I've probably forgotten a few things, but that's all for now - I hope this has been of some help, particularly to any newbies out there!

Or u can bring them away from thailand, and they get a free visa run as a bonus.

His name shouldn’t be ARM it should be ABS

I like how Boom is stroking his chin thoughtfully in the background LOL Most of the recipients seem to be women and they’re usually cringing and hiding their face...don’t know how to have a good time Pretty sure a generous garland and a word to the mamasan that you’d like to be the lucky receiver will get your wish

Yes and they sing their Vietnamese love songs so well!

The recipient of the show is chosen by Mamasan on the day or the previous day. Normaly regular customer or their friend become the recipient. Beforehand Mamasan ask them if they are ok to appear on the show or not. You get to touch six pack of Arm and Boom. lol No garland necessary. My friend who is a regular customer was asked by mamasan if he wants to appear on the show but he declined saying he is not bottom. lol

never too many threads about soi Twilight, I agree it was interesting to read all those rumors and speculations and compare to future reality. Painful reality for me I haste to add because not only I like soi Twilight but at the same time I don't like soi 4. But I guess if we don't have what we like we must like what we have

As reported elsewhere Lagoa was ahain excellent this Saturday. Lots of boys. All types. Including some twinks who were not coming in the past as far as I remember. Some very good looking guys as likeohmygod reported elsewhere. Some furniture boys of course. Having a beer looking at the boys showering and wanking their cocks under the shower is sooo good ! The experienced boys shower and wank AND look at the customers who are interested in them. They make eye contact and after the shower they come to the customer they establushed eye contact with, while rubbing on the customer s shoulder their dick still in erection and trying to escape from the towel ... the newcomers just shower and wank. No eye contact in this case. If you are interested, you must go to them after the shower. This saturday, there were a few newcomers or at least not regular garotos. One did not even find the way to the boys'lockerroom. Another one was here to find quickly the money to repair his car ... Perfect evening again. I sticked (no pun intended) to my Thiago since he is so good looking and so good in bed. And able to accomodate a XXL cock. Finding a boy accepting to be passive is not always easy. But a boy accepting a huge cock is even more challenging. Some simply resign. "No way" "nem pensar" they say. But the real passive are soo happy. Left around 10 pm to go to the hotel and prepare for ABC Bailao. Going there earlier than midnight has no interest. There is almost no one and the air conditionning is so strong that it is damned cold. Later when 200 guys are dancing it is much better. Good music. Good fun. Pity there is no place for some more intimate action ... My date did not show up or I did not see him or he no longer wanted to meet me when he saw me. But I met others. Great evening. Left around 3 am.

? Not dead just yet. I don't expect people to be coming from around the world as if it were a circuit party, but with luck this week and upcoming weekend will be jam packed with funseekers trying to catch the Twilight of the Soi. It will be a good chance to have fun, firm up some memories, lighten your wallet, and get Line or Facebook contact info for hotties on your "to do" list, while they're all in one place. (I've already started doing that.) I admit once the "right" side of the soi is all closed and fenced in, sitting at Maxi's or Hot Male will lose a certain amount of it's charm, but 'cross the street eye candy or no -- like the band on the Titanic -- I certainly expect to playing there until the last call -- which as of two days ago, was expected to be April 16 or 17 (after Songkran) for Maxi's.

Thanks for the info JackR, im fan of Tawan bar. kinda i like mature muscular men. otherwise, im quite interested with that airport theme show. look new to me. will plan to visit bangkok for this year. not now, bcos of the election. i want to see the election outcome 1st. if everything good, ill do come.

Soi Twilight in broad daylight is like the common prostitutes without concealing makeup. It looks like the end is imminent. According to a lady at a restaurant just beyond Classic boys, all the businesses in the main soi would be gone soon.

Work is still in progress, although today is election day. The premises appeared rather small, the frontage is about 4 metres wide, and the length probably less than 15 metres. There is an upstairs in the rear half. A lady(ladyboy)? supervisor allowed me access to the interior to take some pics. Expected date of completion sometime in April.

Well, i googled "one horse sized duck" just on the off chance you weren't abusing your pain meds and WTF! this is a real subject for discussion in the odder crevices of the Net. Who would have guessed? AdamSmith is probably better qualified to opine on this but I think that a horse sized duck runs into something I remember as "the cubed/square problem". As you scale up, the weight (volume/mass) of the duck goes up by a cubed factor while the strength of its bones only increases with the cross-section of the bones, i.e a squared factor.. Long story short, eventually the duck can't stand up w/o breaking its legs with its own weight.

After Baan Tewa, I walked back to hotel. The moment I got back into my hotel room, I received separate Line messages from Y and Z asking if I would like to meet tonight. Yes, of course! I told them drinks in my room and even asked if they wanted to be together. Y said he preferred seeing me alone so I said ok. I ended up seeing Y from 8.30pm to 10pm then I saw Z from 10pm to midnight. The timings suited everyone. Z had just come back from overnight visa run and he didn’t sleep much on the minibus so he slept back at his room until time to meet me. We just lounged in the hotel room, chatting, listening to Vietnamese songs on my Ipad and Bluetooth speaker and drinking (I still had that bottle of Johnnie Walker from previous night at Jupiter and of course I bought some beer from Family Mart before 6pm). Quite interesting to get to know both of them better. There was news of a road accident on Saturday morning where 10 people going on visa run were killed - 5 Laos and 5 Vietnamese. No mention in the news of their occupations. Both Y and Z were sad. They have long term plans. Once they have earned and saved up enough money, they will return permanently to Vietnam. I consider it my pleasure to have known them, especially for Y whom I have known for 3 years now. I hope to see them again sooner rather than later but due to my busy work schedule, it looks like I must wait till December.

Get used to it...

Are you informing us of your medical condition(s) or is there a question here??

Every day I like Beto less and less.

Something ain't right with this guy's brain. Just saying...

You didn’t indicate if your Bangkok visit is only the 3 days in May when your friend is with you. As you also mention ticket for an April visit. If it’s only 3 days in total, start with your friend full time if the chemistry isn’t there, be honest and put him up in another hotel if the chemistry is there - stay with him. On buying/ helping purchase - I’m no role model as I’ve bought a phone for a gogo guy. That was five years ago and haven’t done it since. I run into him now and then and we have a good time

I would because... He obviously made you very happy and was not greedy. I do not know the cost of the phone but I would contribute a reasonable amount and make it clear this is something you never do and prefer not to do, but are making an exception for him. If his birthday is any time soon it can be expressed as a one-off gift. Or surprise him at the end of the trip as a reward for good behavior. I know how desperately these young poor boys yearn for phones and he’s probably been scrimping for months and is short of a certain amount. Alternatively you can deny him the phone but take him shopping at H&M or elsewhere so it is clear gifts are possible but on your terms only.

Very interesting observation @demedici It reminded me of how I paid the very full asking price once. I dated a Brazilian musclegod several times when he lived in Europe. He had a fine-featured handsome face and a beautiful hard, ripped body. He had been featured on the covers of a couple of fitness magazines. He always had limits (I had to use condoms, I could not unload in his mouth etc) but we had fun together. He moved back to Brazil but we kept in touch and a few months later, when he knew I was going on holiday to the beach resort of Punta del Este, he asked to join me. I was unsure but he said he would pay for his own airfares if I would pay for all meals, drinks etc for the 4 days we’d be together. As his fee, he asked US$2000 but he promised to do “everything, no limits”. I did not haggle on the price. We had a terrific time. He was of course amazing arm-candy in the restaurants and clubs. His allure was compounded by the tight clothes he wore - Versace tops and jeans that looked as if they’d been sprayed on, and Speedos at the beach. He was attentive and devoted throughout. And each day and night, he kept his promise: I topped him a couple of times each day and he sucked me off, no condoms; I unloaded in his mouth and he swallowed my loads. He did everything possible to please me. Sometimes you have to pay a lot to get a lot.