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Workers are busy above Banana bar in Silom soi 4 getting ready for the shift to new premises. If more bars move to this location, the place will be vibrant. There are still vacant shop houses at the end of the cul de sac just beyond Jupiter. It will only be a matter of whose pocket is the deepest and penetrate furthest, and stay longest.

After Baan Tewa, I walked back to hotel. The moment I got back into my hotel room, I received separate Line messages from Y and Z asking if I would like to meet tonight. Yes, of course! I told them drinks in my room and even asked if they wanted to be together. Y said he preferred seeing me alone so I said ok. I ended up seeing Y from 8.30pm to 10pm then I saw Z from 10pm to midnight. The timings suited everyone. Z had just come back from overnight visa run and he didn’t sleep much on the minibus so he slept back at his room until time to meet me. We just lounged in the hotel room, chatting, listening to Vietnamese songs on my Ipad and Bluetooth speaker and drinking (I still had that bottle of Johnnie Walker from previous night at Jupiter and of course I bought some beer from Family Mart before 6pm). Quite interesting to get to know both of them better. There was news of a road accident on Saturday morning where 10 people going on visa run were killed - 5 Laos and 5 Vietnamese. No mention in the news of their occupations. Both Y and Z were sad. They have long term plans. Once they have earned and saved up enough money, they will return permanently to Vietnam. I consider it my pleasure to have known them, especially for Y whom I have known for 3 years now. I hope to see them again sooner rather than later but due to my busy work schedule, it looks like I must wait till December.

Hi All I'm just home from two weeks in Thailand I've been an avid reader of these forums since I started travelling to Thailand over 5 years ago, and it has been of enormous help to me! So I thought it was time to finally give something back. This is not a "full trip report" - no discussions of daily itineraries or offs - I've just written some general notes on the bars I visited on this recent trip. These comments / observations are based around my own experiences and preferences, and I'm sure there will be some disagreements and maybe some reiteration with other threads, but nonetheless, let me know your thoughts. Jupiter - I made three visits here. For me, probably the best selection of guys in BKK. If you like young guys, with boy-next-door / model looks and athletic bodies, then there is lots of choice here. One of the guys who takes part in the main solo and group dance numbers was particularly hot - I don't know if his name is Arm or Aek? (I'm going by the Jupiter thread.) What I also liked about this club when I first visited it last year was that the mamsans were not pushy. Neung was so nice and very helpful to me on that visit. However, this year he was on holiday to Pattaya, and I struggled to get the attention of any of the other mamasans at all. They all seemed to be glued to particular customers (big tippers?). Even when I asked one of them about pricing, he just told me how much it was and then walked away - didn't seem interested in helping. Nevertheless, I got what I wanted in the end, after some persistence. Another lesson learned here was to ask for the one you want early to avoid disappointment! They get taken quickly. Moonlight - I was so happy to finally visit Moonlight. The club opened just after my last visit in 2018, so for the last year, I've been following it through this forum and the live Facebook videos - so to see the stars was like seeing celebrities! Mr. Babe is beautiful and his dancing made him even more attractive. And I found Mr. Smart to be more handsome than his pics. Maybe it's his neat haircut, but he looks more like an educated, middle-class professional than most of the other boys. He was in a choreographed matador routine with Mr. Lucky which I wasn't a big fan of. Sadly no Nicky! Some of the non-superstar guys available here are also pretty good looking. But it made me wonder - why would you want to work in a bar like this where you are treated as a second-tier model, when you could work somewhere like Jupiter - where all gogos are created equal? Or do you think they hope to graduate to superstar? Mamasans here were very pleasant, and I'm also glad they removed that staircase that used to come down over the audience onto the front of the stage. It blocked the view. X-Boys - I love the crew here. They welcome my friend and I back with hugs and kisses every year - and our wallets! But I find them so charming and hilarious that I don't mind - it's always a good night. The boys here are typically on the twinkish side and I've enjoyed several boys from this establishment - but to be honest, for the last couple of years, I've found the best eyecandy here to be the Viet waiters. Mamsan here told me that they are moving after next month, but she doesn't know where. But as per the other threads on this topic, it seems like all the bars have been saying this for the last year, so it's hard to know if its real or not. As for the Soi itself - I wouldn't have described it as quiet - there seemed to be a steady stream of people at the lower end - but its certainly quieter as the years pass, and sad to see the corrugated iron fencing covering up the closed businesses at the far end. Dreamboys - the first bar I ever visited in Bangkok (as per a recommendation on this forum of course) so I always love coming back here. I find the shows here to be the wackiest of the bars that I regularly visit. I visited only once on this trip, and arrived late, so missed the giant inflatable cock soaking everyone, but was treated to screeching ladyboys plucking some innocents from the audience, stripping them and pretending to fuck them on stage before squirting cream everywhere. I find it so ridiculous it's actually funny. Always a varied selection of guys here - something for everyone. But the stage was not as crowded as it was on previous years. I've been hoping that the handsome coyote dancer who has been there for years will one day be available.... Tawan - the guys in this bar are not specifically my type - more mature, bodybuilder-types - nor am I a fan of masks and leather gear, but something always draws me to come back here. It's almost mesmerising watching them, just for their size! They had an interesting show with an airport security theme - you can imagine. BoyzBoyzBoyz (Pattaya) - I would say I come to Pattaya just for BBB. There is a varied selection of guys here and I've always found something that has piqued my interest - plus, I like taking someone to the short time rooms upstairs while the show is still ongoing. But this year the guys were all fully dressed in street clothes (except for 2 or 3 who were shirtless) - I was suprised how much this reduced the hotness of the selection. In the end I ended up getting nothing at all. BBB also has a fairly skilful show. There was an acrobatic/gymnastic routine at the very beginning, and then the regular breakdancers, who are always very impressive. The compere/owner of this club is also pretty funny, and a young waiter with anime hair is always really friendly to us. At midnight, everyone was ushered over to the new disco bar on the other side of the street. I didn't fully understand the point of this. The same selection of boys just stand on the stage at the second venue and everything continues as normal. Some general observations on the crowds: Not very many farang - mainly Asian customers now (Chinese). I guess that for the gay communities in western europe and north america, cultural/societal and technological changes mean that there is perhaps less of a desire to travel so far for paid sex. (I, on the other hand, don't know why everyone doen't want to come here for these adventures!) Also, a lot more women. This was particularly evident in BBB. On both nights, it was filled with large groups of both Asian and Western women. I find these loud, drunk young girls annoying to be honest. The Asian girls do seem to bring down guys from the stage to talk and party with them, but I don't think they off them. And the white girls just seem to come to gawk and laugh. But at the same time I understand, and reluctanly appreciate that a wider demographic may be required to keep these clubs open. I just hope they don't open their own women-only clubs and steal all the guys. I've probably forgotten a few things, but that's all for now - I hope this has been of some help, particularly to any newbies out there!

Work is still in progress, although today is election day. The premises appeared rather small, the frontage is about 4 metres wide, and the length probably less than 15 metres. There is an upstairs in the rear half. A lady(ladyboy)? supervisor allowed me access to the interior to take some pics. Expected date of completion sometime in April.

Day 5 woke up, had breakfast then back to hotel room to rest. weather outside is hot. In afternoon, went to Baan Tewa for massage with regular guy. Same excellent service. Showered together after massage. When I came down to reception, there were 2 young Chinese customers. Both of them were there for first time. The main guy was asking questions in English, “Pay now or pay after massage? Minimum tip give now or give to boy?” Then the massage boys lined up (6 of them including my guy who just finished with me). China guy told his friend in Chinese, “Point to who you like”. They chose two boys - not my regular guy though. After I finished wearing my shoes, I cut across and passed him my customary 2,000 baht tip but folded. Thinking back, I should have given my tip openly just to see the reactions of the Chinese customers. Anyway, I am happy for Baan Tewa that they have Chinese customers. It means that they have been receiving good word of mouth in the Chinese forums. More business for them and their boys. Baan Tewa is my favourite niche massage shop and it’s thanks to Divine Madman’s recommendation years ago.

never too many threads about soi Twilight, I agree it was interesting to read all those rumors and speculations and compare to future reality. Painful reality for me I haste to add because not only I like soi Twilight but at the same time I don't like soi 4. But I guess if we don't have what we like we must like what we have

Bangkok Massage at the moment has no plans. I asked a couple of boys there the other night where will they go. They said no jobs lined up but will look when the place closes. Bangkok Massage and XBoys have same ownership. Some rumblings that they were looking at something in Patpong 2. I don’t take to much stock in this rumor just yet. Some long term XBoys staff have found new jobs, so it doesn’t sound like they were waiting around for something to happen.

FYI - today's viral video really does a great take down on the new constitution and takes digs at everybody. 250 Bootlickers

All bars are closed tonight. A banner outside Fresh Boys tonight. Door opened but no boys, just a few minders loitering about. One of them told me that they will be open on Sunday.

was originally kinda hoping to see you and paulsf tonight at Maxis, but that of course turned out to be impossible. Soi Twilight tonight: Deader than dead lol. Though the two guys in the pic chatted me up as I took these pictures and the right hand (weed smoking) one was quick to ask me if I wanted boy massage LOL. Like that was something special and hard to find in the general Silom/Surawong area haha. I didn't realize how far the redevelopment has already taken it's toll, with the steel construction fence up to the left of Fresh Boys, which was Bonny Massage, right? Bangkok Massage still intact though

An amusing anecdote to share. I went for massage and came back walking along Patpong an hour ago (4pm). Two more hours before all alcohol sales is prohibited. I was looking for a pub or bar just to get a beer. Zilch. All bars closed. Then as I reached Surawong Road, heaven! One small pub open. Two farang were drinking. Three Thai aunties in their 40s were working. “One Heineken please”. One of them got one for me then she pointed to herself and asked ,”Buy me a drink?” I nodded. After that, the other two Thai aunties asked me as well! I said yes. And lo and behold, another Thai auntie appeared from the bar toilet! “Buy me one drink too?” ”ok but only 4. No more!” I replied. I felt like Macbeth encountering the witches. But they were so friendly and funny. Two of them came out and gave me back and hand massages and we chatted - the usual “how long you in Thailand? Where you stay?” It was an enjoyable half hour encounter on a hot afternoon. Bar tab was 750 baht for my Heineken and 4 drinks for them. how is this related to us? This particular bar is directly facing the new Dreamboys bar! Will this be the new Maxis? The four Thai aunties have not realised it yet but they have just hit jackpot come April!

Just spent a few hours here! My first trip to Barcelona and what a wonderful time I had. I hooked up with two porn star quality guys. €50 is still the going rate for a session but obviously no orgasm from them. I tipped some on top for excellent treatment. My first guy was from Egypt and he could be Nyle DiMarco’s twin brother. His cock was almost too thick to handle. Very dominant and assertive and kind. A quick smile which I love. My second encounter was a white guy from Greece. Tall and a touch lanky. He could easily be hired by bel ami studios. And the most delicious cock. Another kind man. I went on Friday night around 6 and left around 8:30. I would say about 20 or so escorts. Maybe more. And nearly that many customers. Sauna was clean and fairly large. I can’t remember the price I paid to enter as I was too excited. Lots of exposed hard cocks. Lots and lots of sexy guys from all over. I’ll head back tomorrow and meet up with a few of the sexy African guys there.

Dream Boy and Boys Bangkok will be relocated to Patpong 2 and will now be called Dreamboy Paradiso which will open on April 1, 2019, here's the pics of the new bar, location map and Available drinks soon...according to their FB page they will have a new show, new style and new prices for the drinks.

Actually, no need to kid...to all appearances much of Twilight is moving to the other side of Surawong and brushes up alongside soi 4. Now awaiting news of Hot Male's journey...

I know. I prefer massage places or websites. I feel more secure that I will find what I want. Saunas, as people wrote here, are quite random. You can find 15 guys that are perfect for you or zero.

OK, Eureka! We know probability incentivizes. Next time I am going to put up $R1000 and each of those higher-end gamblers I approve can line up and enter me (and vice versa for a greater chance at the prize) and the final name draw, with their winfall chance equal to 100% divided by number of entrants. Bingo! Perhaps even a more complex algorithm where I rate the impression they leave and factor that into the number of tickets allocated for each. For example: a 10 rating gets 10 chances .... 5 gets 5, etc. I think the competition aspect will actually raise the stakes. Can't beat them (off)? Conjoin them.

I too find BBB's now fully clothed boys far from satisfactory. A multitude of sins - such as body hair:) - could be hidden. It seemed only the muscular guys took their shirts off. There were a couple of potential offs last time, but I passed because I couldn't really check them out properly. They've also removed the proper seating directly in front of the stage and replaced it with small stools so they can cram a few more punters in for the show. Last time I was there, this resulted in a shrieking girl on the front row knocking drinks over behind her, as she recoiled from the fake cum in the big cock show. I had to sit through the rest of the show with beer soaked shorts.

Opposite side to Screwboys.

Map shows opposite side from Screwboys and photos it on left when walking toward Surawong.

Hi guys. I am Brazilian, but I have never been to the Saunas #shame. One thing that people discuss in our blogs/sites is that many garotos now prefer to use the websites/apps, it could explain the sensation of less boys at the Saunas. Bolsonaro is a tragedy, but i think it is too soon to blame him for the frequency at the saunas.

A few posts on the other threads have said that the new DB is on same side of Patong Soi 2 as SB and FB2 Looks to me by the pics and the map, that they are on the opposite side of Patong 2?

Le Meridien to new Dreamboy. Less than 200m. @BenG1000

Guess I didn't do a adequate job of explaining why I bumped this thread. But it was assuredly not to compete with or substitute for the other thread about soi Twilight. It was to demonstrate that that well over a year ago that members began speculating on the future of the soi and its many venues. As I read back over the seven pages posts, I was impressed by the scores of members who participated. Even before the first page of entries was filled, Patpong 2 had been identified as suitable alternate location along with Soi 4. It seems that members had a good sense of how the next 12 months or so might actually unfold. They proved pretty sage in their thinking I don't believe that anyone should feel threatened because more than one thread is running about the same topic. And I agree that it sensible to place new posts about Twilight in the other thread going forward. But that should not diminish the contributions members made earlier before the Soi Twilight Rumors thread came on line a year later. And I hardly think that my calling attention to the original thread constitutes a folly, election day or not.

? Not dead just yet. I don't expect people to be coming from around the world as if it were a circuit party, but with luck this week and upcoming weekend will be jam packed with funseekers trying to catch the Twilight of the Soi. It will be a good chance to have fun, firm up some memories, lighten your wallet, and get Line or Facebook contact info for hotties on your "to do" list, while they're all in one place. (I've already started doing that.) I admit once the "right" side of the soi is all closed and fenced in, sitting at Maxi's or Hot Male will lose a certain amount of it's charm, but 'cross the street eye candy or no -- like the band on the Titanic -- I certainly expect to playing there until the last call -- which as of two days ago, was expected to be April 16 or 17 (after Songkran) for Maxi's.

Thanks for the info JackR, im fan of Tawan bar. kinda i like mature muscular men. otherwise, im quite interested with that airport theme show. look new to me. will plan to visit bangkok for this year. not now, bcos of the election. i want to see the election outcome 1st. if everything good, ill do come.

I see! Thank you DrimVoiz!

Hi Witty! Did the lady told you anything about the whereabout of the boys working there? I mean, in the meantime, where are they working at?

Soi Twilight in broad daylight is like the common prostitutes without concealing makeup. It looks like the end is imminent. According to a lady at a restaurant just beyond Classic boys, all the businesses in the main soi would be gone soon.

Well, i googled "one horse sized duck" just on the off chance you weren't abusing your pain meds and WTF! this is a real subject for discussion in the odder crevices of the Net. Who would have guessed? AdamSmith is probably better qualified to opine on this but I think that a horse sized duck runs into something I remember as "the cubed/square problem". As you scale up, the weight (volume/mass) of the duck goes up by a cubed factor while the strength of its bones only increases with the cross-section of the bones, i.e a squared factor.. Long story short, eventually the duck can't stand up w/o breaking its legs with its own weight.

Mvan I strongly believe that the Bolsonaro thing is pure fantasy. The situation is the same as usual, the garotos need money and sex in saunas has always been a reliable and easy way to get it. The people who voted for Bolsonaro could not care less about what he says about gay people (for which he still hasn't done anything wrong... But it's too early to speak). Brazil has a very different culture from the other countries... The "i don't give a fuck about what you're doing" seems to be quite common, unless you're stealing something or killing people. I believe you guys are somewhat unlucky, or maybe it's just that since I live here, I have a bigger pool of experiences to be added to the statistics. Maybe you should also consider the thing that nothing will be like the first times you were getting in a sauna in Brazil, because that kind of new thing experience (the discovery of such a good places) is gone. I don't think that saunas are getting worse. Actually I think they're improving both in quantity and in quality. The economic situation (which is shit) is helping too. Fragata is well dead from years and it's just a complete waste of time. Lagoa is a sure bet only in the Fridays and in the Saturdays. That's it. All of the other days are hit or miss. I did have great Wednesdays (like the past week one) and did have shitty Mondays and vice-versa. This week's Friday and Saturday have been great... I've met new extremely good looking guys. 2 of them are models with over 15k followers in Instagram. I was thinking that since there was no bingo tonight there were going to be a lot less garotos... It was packed. But it's always been like that since the year when I begun to visit saunas with GPs in SP. In Rio they're even better. Since junior has put money for the new facilities in 202, there's been a surge in garotos quantity and quality. 117 is always good every single day. And about Rio that's it because NMM is dead and Manhattan won't survive 2019 from what I'm constantly being told (99%of the days is empty). I'll tell you another thing. I have variable tastes about boys...but I can say for sure that the internet is not replacing the saunas (yet maybe). Apps like grindr are good to find paid sex, but the quality is not better than what you can find in saunas... Maybe is worse. So... Or all the great guys have disappeared, and that is not the case, or the guys in Brazil are still preferring the saunas because it's easier to let demand meet the offer in there, and the risks of getting caught while doing the escort by the people you know (if they care) are a lot smaller.

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keep an eye on developments for us. Sad duty but we can only hope that something interesting and fresh arise from soi Twilight ashes. Perhaps in 5 years we even say that we like what we have, fingers crossed ! Any word of what will happen to Bangkok Massage? I will miss tat place the most

I had such a crush on him when I was younger and probably dreamed about him during some self gratifying moments.

FreshBoys Twilight is moving upstairs over Banana Bar Soi 4 in a partnership April 4. FreshBoys Patpong will remain open.

I've been an occasional lurker on this site for years, but I've recently discovered that I can't view certain forums because I'm under 10 posts. This policy seems destined to encourage posts that don't really contribute much to the conversation, but hey, they aren't my rules, I just follow them.

A visitor to Brazil should " - make a serious attempt to finally learn the language? Problem solved." __________________________________________________________________________________________ Do you have any idea how many years it would take a non Portuguese speaking person to be proficient in Portuguese to read a newspaper or a news source written in Portuguese? So, an occasional visitor to Brazil should trash a good faith effort news source (The Rio Times) and spend years learning Portuguese in order to read a local paper or other news source! Brilliant - just brilliant!

You are not off the post topic. You merely reported a similar situation in Salvador that I have experienced in Sao Paulo for the past two weeks. You also reported a similar situation that caused you to cut short your scheduled time in Brazil on your previous trip. The issue is an absence of garotos of the quantity and quality we formerly found in the saunas and elsewhere. I found a high quality over the past fifteen years until now. I am not picky but I do have a type. I am talking about saunas (Lagoa and Fragata) that had more clients than garotos. That was the case at Lagoa last Wednesday and Tuesday at Fragata. Last night at Lagoa there were more clients and garotos than there were on Wednesday. However, there was a larger amount of twinks which are not my thing (not intended as a slight). One forum member reported meeting a garoto last night at Lagoa and having a good time. However, I do not know the forum member or the garoto he met. I do not know what type of garoto he likes. Based on reading some of his posts, he appears to favor the twink types (please, no offense intended). Thus, last night, for him. was great. To make matters worse, last night at Lagoa, Rodolfo decided to have a bingo game with a R$1,000 prize. Needless to say, the prize amount took away the interest of a large number on non twink garotos. I was told that some clients and garotos went to Lagoa last night solely for the possibility of winning the bingo prize. Instead of looking for clients or being available for clients, garotos filled the seating area working on their bingo cards hoping they would be the winner of the R$1,000 prize. That bingo prize of $1,000 was understandably enticing for the garotos. Are all these negative changes merely the luck of the draw? Will things go back in Brazil like I experienced them for fifteen years? Now, wouldn't that be nice?

If this translates into "real" life then my IQ must be at least 203. Best regards, RA1

Just curious, how many forum members do you think can read those "plenty of reputable local news sources available in the local language." Just as very few Brazilians speak English, even fewer foreign visitors to Brazil can read the local language. Although the Rio Times was not a "great" news source, it did a good job in reporting basic events for those who do not understand the local language.

When visiting Borobudur in Java I was positively mobbed for that purpose and I must be on at least 50-60 of those selfies including whole class , one by one with teacher first

Actually I created that thread since Dream Boy is my fave bcoz my best off was from there, lol

Well, he does shower show at X-Boys so i doubt he will have any problem with the slow numbers. I foresee myself placing a 1000 baht garland on him when I am in Bangkok again in December. That’s provided he’s able to stay on in Jupiter. I hope when I am there, I don’t have to compete against female customers for him! Other nights they can have him but I want him when I am in Bangkok!

Day 4 woke up, had breakfast and off to Siam Paragon for movie (Captain Marvel) followed by shopping for friends back home. At about 3pm; went to Ganymeade for massage. The Viet guy who serviced me twice in December no longer worked there. I didn’t have any preference so I just chose the first guy who came out to greet me. Lucky for me because he turned out to be gay! His massage strokes were pretty good and he gave me a great blowjob without hesitation. We did a 69 and it was my best cum in a while. He speaks English well and is Cambodian. Name is Ken and I am writing it here because he asked me “if you like, please recommend me to your friends”. after massage, it was back to hotel for some aircon respite from the 38 degrees weather. How I wish Raya Hotel has a pool! at 8pm, I walked down to Twilight. Hot male tout saw me and took my hand upstairs to Hot Male. I discovered later from Paulsf that DivineMadman was at Maxis at 8pm. So sorry I didn’t get to meet and talk to you. Was busy at Hot Male! When I went inside Hot male, I remembered the old days when every bar had dancers to welcome customers. Hot Male had 5 coyote dancers (in white briefs) dancing energetically while the other boys (in blue briefs) were on rotation. I was the only customer but I wasn’t bothered at all. I was so Glad to see dancing boys once again. The guys at Hot Male are just slightly more muscular than those at Freshboys. I saw a twinkish boy who was my type and asked him over. Thai boy. 22 years old. Name starts with W. “Short time, 2000 baht ok?” I asked. He said ok and I asked him to get dressed while I continued enjoying the dancing boys. When W came back, I tipped all 5 coyote dancers 100 baht each. I hope to see them again when they move to new location at Patpong. Back at hotel, W proved to be even cuter undressed. He’s shy as he has only been working since last year and his English is hesitant but I thoroughly enjoyed my session with him. I would have loved to sleep overnight in bed with him but I had prior arrangements for the night. After our session, W and I went down. W went to Family Mart while I turned into Twilight. Hot male tout saw me and asked “happy with boy?” I smiled broadly and hugged him then went to Maxis. Most of the tables were taken including the best seats. But it didn’t matter because Freshboys closed their curtain. Paulsf had only just arrived because he had been trapped in terrible traffic jam. We chatted about our plans for Saturday when all bars would be closed. I was feeling a bit sad as it would be my last time in Twilight. I will miss the people watching. Z comes out from X-Boys and asked me if I would like to be with him on Saturday night. He’s going on a visa run at midnight and would be back at noon on Saturday. I told him to Line me when he’s back and we shall see. P also comes out from X-Boys. He says no customer at X-Boys so unlikely to have show for him to perform. He asks if we can go to Jupiter now. It was 10:30pm. Yeah sure. I said my goodbye to Paulsf. I don’t know where I will see him again end of the year with Twilight and Maxis being gone but for sure we will meet again. P and I walked past Thaniya to Jupiter. 500 baht entry so I paid 1k for both P and me. Show had already started. Place was packed. Since I knew we were staying until 2am, I ordered a bottle of Johnnie Walker. 3500 baht. Definitely overpriced but ultimately worth it because the mamasans left us alone and the waiters provided good service by topping up our glasses. After the show ended, the Jupiter boys came up. One boy had a 1000 baht garland placed on him by a Chinese lady customer. Applause from audience. P was taking in the whole experience. He was going to apply to join Jupiter and work after X-Boys closes next week. We go outside for smoke break. P speaks to owner and mamasan. Seems like he got the job due to his handsome face. But mamasan said he must work out to get body in shape. P smiles sheepishly. A Jupiter waiter goes up to introduce himself to P and shakes hand. P and I go back in to watch the second show. After second show ends at midnight, Poppy and backup singers come on stage for singing and karaoke night. PJ didn’t come as he’s away in Chiangmai. Wide repertoire of songs from Poppy - English pop hits, Chinese classics, some Thai oldies and even a Japanese song. I saw the regular Jupiter ladies getting up from their seats (surrounded by their Jupiter boys) to go on stage to sing. I tell P that next time they will be his favourite customers and not me. “No, no, I always like you. You good customer. Thank you bring me to Jupiter tonight,” he says. Such a sweet reply. I give him a kiss. P and I couldn’t finish our bottle of Johnnie Walker and I can’t keep it at Jupiter because bars are closed on Saturday so I decided to take it back to Singapore when I fly back on Sunday. As we left Jupiter at 2am, I tipped the waiters who had refilled our drinks the whole night. Two of them are really cute. P walked me back to entrance of Raya, even holding my hand as we crossed Surawong Road. He thanks and hugs me. “See you next time in Jupiter,” I said and that was the end of one of my most memorable nights in Bangkok.

Does anyone know why the summer is generally busier in the saunas...(I have noticed that as well from my past trips) Don’t the garotos need money during the fall and winter too? Is it that they go more in the summer to have extra spending money for Carnival season? Or does it have something to do with school/college breaks?

Of all the jobs he could have gotten after being kicked out of the priesthood, he chooses to go teach at a school for young boys (in a poor country where it is even easier to be exploitive). That alone shows his intentions...so sad to think he is preying on his new victims as we speak.

I totally agree!

The new Dream Boy is definitely the 1st place I'll visit on my next BKK trip...I just hope Mr. Perfect Guy is still there, if not, I may never return to BKK again

I went to Lagoa midweek twice very recently, and once to Fragata as it was within walking and I thought it possibly could not have been worse. Both dreadful and not nearly representative of what the country can and does offer in such venues. IMHO, once you have done all the sights, São Paulo is merely a connection city in terms of the brothel options. Perhaps best to structure the layover on a weekend where prospects may improve. I expect there will be some repeat commentary here about how wonderful they are. I am sure it is just fine according to specific tastes. Coming all this way, I want some good-looking built guys. I don't care if it is 300-500 reais. I don't care about the variables of which season or which night. For a city this size where you see drop-dead gorgeous hunks in public all around you? That said, I had a handful of good experiences last September, but the pickings were slim and much time was spent sitting around. Anyway, I had a nice and quiet little studio cobertura but cut it short this time.

Wow that is really disappointing! They were the only Rio newspaper in English..

1500-2000 short time , 3000 long time is your standard.And this is for quality guys, of the mill ones may be much less demanding Everything above is acceptable if you really want to test that guy. I my opinion it's better overpay and satiate curiosity than live with guilt of missed opportunity. Nothing wrong if you stick to your pricing levels though and refuse to swim with boys demands. Sometimes they are greedy , sometimes they just fishing for naive and sometimes they know their market price and demand it. Nothing wrong with you acting the same , sometimes cheap, sometimes fishing how low guy go and sometimes stick to what you can afford. Don't hold against guy if he wants too much and feel free to try again next evening. Even most popular guys need money and may experience drought periods. If they like you they may be more amendable. Be prepared that so called stars may be a bit disappointing at close , both looks and service wise so pack your brain along with condoms and lubricant and chill yourself with beer before starting hunting action. Don't let money pinching to spoil your vacation fun but if you have a feeling that you were taken for a ride by bar boys switch to massage guys instead , at least you will get some muscle relaxation and 1-1.5 hr to ponder your next move