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Day 3 For some reason, I woke up early at 7.30am even though Z and I only slept at 3am. I woke Z up and asked him if we could have breakfast together. He said yes. We showered together then went for breakfast. Z loves eggs. He had 4 eggs over 2 rounds at the buffet. I noticed his Iphone with its cracked screen. Z said it dropped out of his pocket when he was cleaning his bar. He showed me the side of his Iphone. “Ban”. I was perplexed. He brought his Iphone closer to my eyes and I realised what he meant. Bent! i asked him if he could get it repaired at nearby Silom Square. “MBK,” he said. Ok. Half an hour later, we were in a taxi to MBK. 4th level is where gadgets are sold. Z took me to a shop, where he had repaired his previous phone’s battery. “2700 baht,” the lady said. “Let’s shop around,” I suggested. A few minutes later, we found a shop that could do it for 1500 baht plus 250 baht for screen protector. We went to foodcourt for drinks and waited half an hour before going back for the Iphone. Z’s face lighted up when he saw it repaired. I then suggested buying a proper case to protect the Iphone. We went to another shop, got a sturdy looking case. Z bargained the 300 baht price to 280 baht. Total cost was less than the 2700 baht first quoted. We left MBK happy both him and me. Spent the rest of the day in bed with Z in hotel room. At 5pm, Z got up to get ready for work. Waiters have to report at 6pm to clean the bar thoroughly before opening at 8 plus. I said goodbye to Z and gave him his long time tip.

I've posted reports on individual massage experiences during recent trip in other threads but am posting a capsule account here as this is the go-to place for Bangkok massages info. Total massages: 12 In-call: 5 (1 guy x 3 and 2 others both known from previous trips) and all were fine. Nakarat: 4 total (1 x 2 and 2 others). All good. I recommend this place. Decent selection afternoons but more arrive after work. AEN: 1 visit and fine. Recommended. Think it is probably better to go after 5 when availability is better. Indra on Soi Tarntawan: 1 visit and fine. Be sure to get room with en-suite shower shower. Many VN guys with good selection most hours. Art Massage on Soi Tarntawan: 1 visit and fine. Good selection most hours.

The new Dreamboy called “ DREAMBOY PARADISO “ in Patpong 2. As you can see the premises is very small so some staff would be reduced. Many boys,staff are worried what they are going to do next, move to the other bar like Jupiter or stay. The good new is the place is only a few steps away from Screwboys. No need to cross the Suriwongse road to risk your life.

I think there's a place called Moonlight, but no one ever seems to discuss it here. Still that could be on your list. If x-boys was where the mamasan dragged your guy away from the other customers, then I win 20 baht because that was my guess. But X-Boys has been on the skids lately anyway. Freshboys Soi Twilight has been very popular lately. I guess the rumors are that it will relocate to Soi 4. So probably keep an eye out for that in May. (I had heard the boss from Freshboys was doing something on Soi 4 but it wasn't that it was going to be the exact same as current Freshboys, but maybe the rumors are about two different places.) G Boyz on Wall St. Successor to X-Size and about as popular as X-Size was. There's Freshboys 2 and Screwboysin Patpong. I haven't ventured down to Classic Boys so don't know what's going on down that end of the soi. And of course as you know Jupiter for the millionaire club and Tawan for those guys. I haven't heard about Hot Male. Same owner as Moonlight of course. Combine staff? Perhaps the Moonlight insiders know. As far as gogo bars are concerned, compared with l-2 years ago, we're: -1 X-Size, +1 G Boyz, +1 Freshboys 2 (net +1). If in the next couple months we're: -1 X-Boys, -1 Hotmale (?) -1 Freshboys (Twilight), +1 Freshboys Soi 4, -1 Dreamboys (Twilight), +1 Dreamboys (Patpong) (net -2 for March/April) Net-net we're only down 1 gogo bar, 2 if Classic boys disappears. But we do lose all the beer bars and Dick's and who knows what will happen to Maxi's. But there's so far one new bar (Chill Out) on Patpong. Not the end of the [gay] world.

I take a different approach and say if someone wants to check out a particular shop or particular guy(s) outside central Bangkok, then by all means do if you have the time and the desire. These days the easiest way to do it -- for me at least -- is to have the shop send their location on Line. I then just use that with a click or two to book a Grab Taxi. It avoids my translation errors and I never have to try to explain exactly where I want to go. (I think the workflow actually is, after the usual back-and-forth about booking particular guy(s): (1) shop sends map "location", (2) Line gives me the option to open that location in google maps, then (3) use the google maps option of booking Grab. For some reason once that worked better for me and that's how I've done it ever since. I don't think you can book Grab directly using Line, but I haven't checked that in a long time). If it's in an unusual neighborhood, I also invariably check out the location using street view on google maps - just because I'm that sort of nerd and like to pre-orient myself, even though very often particluar sub sois/alleys are not covered. Getting a Grab home is just as easy (or easier). A more cost effective approach is often to take MRT/BTS to the nearest station and then get a Grab, but booking straight from my condo is so much easier I indulge. "Faces say nothing-no relation with quality of services at all." Truer words never written. Personally, I don't think quality/skills/enthusiasm increase or decrease with distance from Silom, but certainly facility with English decreases outside the main tourist zones. Even in Silom, these days my expectations are a fairly middling massage and who-knows-what-will-happen as far as the special services. More often than not I'm pleasantly surprised by the massage and I enjoy the thrill of discovery as far as the special services are concerned. [Keeping a list of "regulars" who meet massage skill requirements and also rock-my-world, but always leaving time to try some new guys/places, is the best. IMHO]. So definitely if someone drives 45 minutes and thinks that the massage is going to be better as a result of distance, he's likely to be disappointed, but that's because of the his unreasonable expectations. But if some particular cutie grabs your eye, you have the time and the money, why not go - just go with reasonable expectations. Up to you. Crowns Club has been around 2 years, and a lot of the guys who work there seem to be regulars, to the limited extent I've kept track. That's a very good sign. It seems well-managed. I know two people who have been there (one intimately). No reason not to go there as far as I can say. The guys there aren't 100% my taste, but for some there might be a major league hottie there. It does seem that there is a common complaint about "where are the twinks" in Bangkok, so I try to point them out for those who care.

Day 2 I woke up at 9. Y was still asleep. I ask him if he would like to have breakfast with me. He said he preferred to continue sleeping so I went down to the hotel breakfast. After breakfast, I went back to room, slipped back into bed with Y and started fondling him. He got the hint. I didn’t want to cum as I wanted to go for massage so i made Y cum instead. He showered then I gave him his tip and he went off to join his friends at the gym. He has a group of friends who gym every afternoon. i lounged around in room until 1pm then made my way to AEC massage Sathorn, a new place recommended by DivineMadman. After massage, it was late lunch and a bit of shopping for souvenirs at Silom Square and happy hour beer at the sports pub along Surawong Road. The workers were setting up Patpong Night market just next door. Weather was bearable even though it was 33 degrees because of a strong breeze. I headed back to hotel, watched some Netflix until 8pm then went for dinner and off to Maxis. Paulsf was already there and I joined him in an hour of delightful conversation. Vietnam boys came to greet him as usual. I was flabbergasted when Paulsf told me about Sunday’s election which meant no alcohol from 6pm Saturday which meant all bars are closed. Oh no! What will I do on Saturday? Paulsf suggested that I make arrangement to book a boy in advance. Excellent piece of advice! From our view at Maxis, we could see a particular boy at Freshboys peeking behind the curtain of the door. He was in his white briefs and covering himself with curtain. Cute twinky looking lad. I was tempted to go into Freshboys just to buy him a drink and chat with him. Besides him, there are many other boys who have piqued my curiosity. But Y works at Freshboys and I have this rule not to off other boys working in same bar as my regular boys. Paulsf replied it doesn’t really matter and the boys don’t really mind because they are basically working just for the money. I decided I would check out Freshboys tomorrow. Paulsf said he would go tonight and find out more about curtain boy. Crowd at Twilight seemed busy. By 10pm, both Freshboys and X-Boys started their shows. Paulsf and I talked about how XBoys used to be popular compared to Freshboys (now it was the reverse) but declined due to poor management. We found out that XBoys would close next week and we speculated that it would be the end as there wasn’t any indication that they were looking for new premises. The barkers along the Soi seemed less aggressive. Even the famous Hot Male barker let people through without much resistance. The end is near indeed and guys seemed to be just turning up for work and enjoying the final moments. Z, the Vietnamese waiter whom I had prebooked waited patiently for me while I chatted with Paulsf. In fact, I found out from him that I had mispelled his name, having heard it wrongly when he said it to me last year. His name starts with T instead of Z. Anyway, for continuity purposes, I shall continue calling him Z. I asked Z what he would like to do. I suggested Fake Club and DJ Station but he said he didn’t like the crowds and loud music. So we ended up paying pool at Patpong with some girls. Z enjoyed himself. On our way to Patpong, we passed by Freshboys Patpong. Z greeted the barkers standing outside. He would be working there as a waiter from April onwards. He managed to secure a job through a Friend. Happy for him. Quite a number of waiters, gogo boys and mamasans at Twilight are still waiting. “Wait and see” is their common response. After pool, Z and I stopped by convenience store for supplies for the night. He would be staying until 5pm the next day when he would have to report for work at his bar.

Back in Bangkok for 5 nights. Got room in Raya. This time, I arranged to meet my regular Vietnam boy, Y; at the hotel reception. I wanted two card keys so I got him to sign in and the staff made a photocopy of his passport. Off we went to room and did some catching up. He just came back to Bangkok on Friday after an extended Tet celebrations in Vietnam. Y works at Freshboys Twilight. I surprise Y with a Vietnam Football jersey that I bought in Singapore. Vietnam won last year’s ASEAN Suzuki Cup; a bi-annual Football competition for the 10 ASEAN countries. Y is a big Football fan who watches Football and plays Football games on his handphone. He wears the Vietnam jersey and is pleased. I got the right size for him. He takes it off and looks at the label inside. Made in Thailand. We laugh at the irony. We chatted some more then proceeded to sex. After that, showered and went down to Happy Beer Garden for dinner. Y asks me if I could buy him a pair of white shoes for work. (The Freshboys gogo boy look is white briefs and white shoes). His current pair is many years old. He shows me a photo of the Adidas shoes he wants on his handphone. I joke with him, “It’s probably made in Thailand.” Nevertheless, I agree and pass him money to buy the shoes while I go to Maxis to catch up with Paulsf. unfortunately, Paul wasn’t at his usual spot. I sent him a message on Line. He wasn’t feeling well and had to stay home to rest. We shall meet tomorrow night. I sit at the best seat at Maxis and had a great view of the boys in white briefs on stage in Freshboys as well as the massage boys next door. Of course, I could see the people coming in and out. An average night at Soi Twilight. Not packed but not dead as well. Z, a Vietnamese waiter from X Boys came over. He remembered me from last year. Happy to see each other. I tell Z that I cannot Long time him tonight as I as with Y. I agree to meet Z tomorrow. Then the X Boys Vietnamese mamasan came over as well having seen me too. “You want P?” P is a Thai boy whom I always see. But he never comes in early. He always comes in late after 10pm for big cock show. Yes, I replied. Thursday night please. So just like that, I have filled up my itinerary for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. I only have Friday and Saturday nights to meet new boys. i find out the latest news. It is true. Twilight is closing. In April, everything will close. Z says that he will move to one of the gogo bars at Patpong to be waiter / part time boy. I boy watch at Maxis. In fact, I see some promising offs at Freshboys. But I am unlikely to off them because Y works there. Y finally comes back with his shoes. I look at label. Made in Vietnam. We laugh. He is happy and I am happy. As we leave Twilight, Z together with other Vietnamese waiters from the gogo bars come out to chat with Y and check out his shoes. I realise now that Y and Z are good friends. I didn’t realise it because they are from different bars. Y and I go to a music pub at Patpong. The two bands there are really awesome. They play a mix of mainstream pop plus Japanese and Korean tunes. Their regular Japanese customers get up and dance and some even go on stage to sing with the band singers. Y finds the music too loud. I tell him to go back to room and chill and wait for me. I enjoy the music for an hour. At midnight, I drop by supermarket at foodland Patpong for drinks and snacks then go back to hotel room to be with Y for the night.

I think the Asian females are interested in gym fit boys especially the very handsome ones, and twunks rather than twinks. Don’t really see them with twinks or tiny boys. I do notice Western females enjoying the bars (and boys) but they are most clueless tourists...by the time they’ve figured out the system, they may have to go home and it’s probably too far for them to come back for repeat visits. Unlike Asian females who live a lot closer and probably come to bangkok several times a year anyway to go shopping and relax.

DivineMadman, you are hilarious! Love your caustic sense of humour as well as your strong views and stance on certain issues. Paulsf and I were talking about you last night at Maxis.

I went to AEC this afternoon at 1 plus. Didn’t fancy walking there so called a Grab car. Good thing about Grab is their Google map navigation. Driver dropped me at exact spot. I just needed to cross road to other side. A big helpful “this way to AEC” led me to shop. It’s at end of alley of shops. only 3 guys at 1plus when I visited. All 3 are twinky but with moustaches. All Thai. I didn’t have any preference so I chose the dude who opened the door for me. His name is An as pronounced in Hoi An. He spoke good English and we had good conversation. Place is small to be frank. 4 rooms or shall I say cubicles in all - formed by partition walls along a corridor. Barely enough room for masseur to move around the bed as the walls are packed closely. Toilets are end of corridor but must pass through one room with a bed. I imagine it would be awkward if there’s a session taking place in that room and guys have to walk past it to shower. i chose a one hour oil massage. Bed has a cut out for head. Cloth on bed to soak in the oil during the massage. Masseur was clothed throughout including the cap on his head. Very relaxed dude - kind of reminds me of Snoop Dog - but his massage strokes and touches were so sensual! Half the time of massage was spent on back and the other half spent on front. When it was time to turn, masseur places a pillow over the head cut out for me to rest my head. Even though he didn’t strip like in typical men’s massage (Prince, Arena, Ganymede etc) he did allow me to play with his goods. He did pull down his slacks towards the end. Love his strokes and his happy ending. Showered alone. Paid 450 baht for massage. Gave 1,200 baht tip. His smile was wide and happy! So were the knowing looks on the other 2 guys around. I totally agree with DivineMadman about the massage techniques. Different from the norm. Worth trying. Not everything is about bodies and looks. Skill does make a massage more enjoyable!

The new Dreamboy bar is near Patpong police box. The exterior is nearly done, they are working on the interior but the venue is apparently very small. Therefore the Thai owner is planning to reduce drink price to 350baht from 500 baht.

I really think this was circumstantial. I find farangs and Asians equally welcome as first time visitors, and only segregated into “preferred” and “non preferred” once the bar gets a sense of their spending. Like everyone else says, mamasan could see you were there to seriously engage an off, there was the expectation of business for the bar and a tip for boy and him. Perhaps they knew something about the group of farangs that you did not? Many well meaning but clueless holidaymakers come to the bars to drink and have fun, and take up boy’s time because they enjoy chatting to a real “Thai gogo boy” but leave without offing or tipping because they simply are not aware this is where the real money is made. I see this at Jupiter all the time. On mamasans, I have had both good and bad experiences. But some can become good companions once you cut through all the initial flattery and guff. One mamasan I’ve gotten to know well shares with me his career and family anxieties, and not in an effort to lobby for tips either. He doesn’t enjoy mamasan work in Bangkok, finds it boring most days, feels heart stricken when he and fellow mamasans have worked hard all night to chat up customers and they leave with no offs because they don’t like the boys or other reasons. I have offed him to join me for a drink in other bars just to liven up his quieter evenings. I was very touched when he tried to steer me to bars where he has an open bottle so I don’t pay for all the drinks. Now when he knows I’m in town, he hopefully texts “Tonight I can leave by 11.30!”

Hello demonito25 here. I am a new member and i just got this message to post an introduction to join the forums. I couldn't find where to post the introduction in the form. Just in case this where it should be posted. I am from the philippines and like travelling.

He is not your “Mr Perfect Guy” lol

Was told Dreamboy moving to new location on first of April with cheaper price and nice music.

Therefore, the ratio members/posters is probably normal. The concern should be the low traffic, not the proportion of posters.

Will the last person to leave please turn off the lights. That task may well fall to you, Paul, as you'll be there for the duration.

Think this needs to be fact-checked by CNN like the do the wild Trump claims. LOL. Confident that at least a half-dozen X-boy guys will come forward with conflicting info. And we both know that you're loathe to cry in a guy's presence (except of course if off leaves before breakfast).

It was there last night outside Banana which is holding it's farewell party on the 29th.

Short of a perfect score, what a tragedy Never mind vinapu, true to your intrepid reputation you can be the first forum member to test and review the upcoming new bars...boldly go where no man has gone before

it means I will never be able to finally off somebody from there. It was only bar in soi I never offed anybody from , started crying now

I think that is a quite good ratio, beyond the low traffic. It is well known that most members are observers, and only a minority actively participates. I do not have actual data to back my impression and I am not going to invest one second of my time on finding it.

Jupiter karaoke singer PJ has a few admirers. The most dedicated fan, a Singaporean older gentleman comes every two weeks and give lavish tip of 10,000 garland. The jacket he is wearing in the photo was a gift from an another fan.

Jupiter is well known for the most strict bar on absence fines/ late penalties. But they pay better rate for boys drink, 150 baht to boys and show appearance 200-250 per show. Jupiter currently has the most show audience and has a few regulars who are very generous to boys and staffs. My friend’s Dreamboy regular wants to move to Jupiter since there aren’t many customers who off boys there but reluctant to do so as he heard of the severe fines.

totally agree, they are so experienced they can sniff and sense a prey and go for the kill. I visited Moonlight first time two weeks ago and within seconds the mamasan knew I was there with the main aim to off somebody. My body language? Or leering eyes perhaps, although I kept it as low profile as possible and avoided staring at the boys

Unless you have substantial mobility issues, you should be able to walk. Do not despair. Bangkok guys are masters at re-flation.

Dreamboy’s veteran boy said to my friend that the farang owner sold the bar to a Thai. He was accompanying a customer to Jupiter and said there are very few customers at Dreamboy nowadays and actually he wants to move to Jupiter.

alright then lol. I'm glad you told me this before I try it. Things could get ugly hahaha

This is my own opinion, but a guy who is alone, regardless farang or asian, are more likely going there to look for an off? So if u are alone, chances are mamasan would prefer to get u the boy. Might be wrong but i believe this also play some part

DivineMadman is king of massage rating.

Welcome to the board! First of all, you're not responsible for the actions of a mamasan. You're kind to notice the issue, but don't worry. As to the question of attitude towards Chinese and/or western customers, I think overall it ends up being no different from any other customers. If you're a bit younger then you're likely to be a more desirable customer for the guys, and walking with you down the street to the hotel might be a little less cringe-worthy than for some customers (e.g., me), and they might find the sex a bit less of a chore. But it's still just a job. I know some guys at the bars who prefer farang, but I know many more who find other asians more attractive (as do I), so color of money not nationality prevails. The job of the guys working at the bars is to figure out and be more attentive to the customers who might tip / tip well. If you are engaging with a mamasan then the mamasan will try to earn his/her tip, and if that means getting your guy to come to chat with you, they're just doing their job. Certainly if I tell a mamasan I want to chat with ##, I expect the mamasan to go tell the guy and if he's available bring him over. If the mamasan says he's busy or not available, not problem.

People need to separate homosexuality from pedophilia.

I start singing that song everytime end up in some little seaside town. “This is the coastal town....that they forgot to shut down”.... Just like everytime I arrive at Heathrow......I start singing....

Actually in the UK at least I believe the threshold for additional scrutiny being required IS the £10k and over mark, so just take care that you're not quietly flagging up your own account for further attention else where if there's movements there you'd rather HRMC etc weren't looking at "too" closely ! I'm guessing it's fairly much little odds now as it seems HMRC etc have some super duper new joined up computer / software that is already pulling info about us from ALL sorts of places that we wouldn't immediately think if such as flight ticket purchases, ALL electronic money transfers, investment income and interest, property deeds held with rent due on them and an absolute ton of other stuff - I actually watched a programme about it a while back, all very interesting / scary IF true. Or a damned good well placed fake news story they've released to encourage people to play straight. I do know from conversations with HMRC staff that versions of the above DO actually exist so I'm guessing there is some truth to it all as well. Oh.....a quick google search confirms the existence of same it seems ....... https://www.companydebt.com/hmrc-tax-problems/hmrcs-connect-computer-system-used-tax-compliance/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/return/taxman-unleashes-snooper-computer-information-does-have/

Last nights rumor is that XBoys will be closing next week with no replacement. Some boys have found new jobs at FreshBoys Patpong.

Is this sign still up??

Rumor I heard Monday night is there will be no more Maxi’s