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Babe can be offed, he just doesn’t do much as he is totally straight. Jerking him and some sucking is his limit. I think he will eventually go further but who knowS

It is incredible to me that some state representatives are so ignorant that they do not know that these diseases cannot be treated with antibiotics. They are introducing legislation to make it easier for prople to refuse to allow their children to be vaccinated in order to prevent these diseases. At least two of these Yahoos hail from the great state of texas amd one from arizona. What a surprise that is. We only need the state of Louisiana in this group.

It means like the emoji implies. Rimming lol

I was at Moonlight for the first time last night, because I had friends from Europe visiting and they wanted to see a boyshow, but something a bit more upscale than the, well, seedy fucking shows (that's what one of the guys said, from memories LONG time ago). So I figured Moonlight would fit the bill. It did, though one guy found everything rather ridiculous, all those half naked dance moves, and the big cock show, and all.... Well, what to expect in a place like this I said LOL. Me personally, I thought the show was OK, though nothing outstanding. Not sure if we missed anything, coz we left after the shower show with Nicky. As for the boys & models: basically as expected, the models or most of them don't do it for me. Super beefy Tam? Not my type at all. Nicky, ob the other hand, looked and behaved like a really friendly, amicable and likeable guy. All smiles and friendly with the guests. One or two of the models didn't really have the model looks and body in my opinion. There was at least one, probably more regular boys better than that. One in particular had a VERY nice defined, muscular (but not overly so, which I don't like, see Tam comment) body with superb sixpack. Good looking too, and kept flirting with me lol. Bottom line: overall the regular boys looked pretty good, I would certainly be able to make my selection from them. Models, not my thing, Nicky the potential exception. Alas Babe was absent. Does he still work there and was just off that night?

DivineMadman’s phrasing “they discuss us the same way as barista’s” hits the nail on the head. Bad experience, the guys will pass it on for sure, a regular they will discuss with their friends (who are not necessarily the guys in the bar), anything else (including very good tip, nice hotel etc) 50/50 if they discuss or not. Over the years I have experienced the whole range [except the bad experience IMHO ]. For example. One regular, once it was clear I was his regular, did not want me going to his bar. I would give him the bar fine for several days which he paid to the mamasan while I sipped a lime juice in Maxis. He was happy to go to other bars with me, just not his bar. Turns out in his mind he was protecting me from the Mamasan to whom I habitually gave a finder’s fee but he thought was just greedy. Another regular I always met at the bar. When I turned up everyone knew who I was there to meet (many smiles, much fussing while they ‘united’ us). After a couple of years he graduated and got a job back home. On my first visit to the bar after my friend had gone home, the guy I offed clearly had no knowledge of the financial arrangement I had had with my friend. On yet another occasion, on my first night I offed a guy at the buff end of my range of attraction, after a clear discussion of what I wanted. As we left the bar, after waiting for him to change, another guy returned from a short time and literally flashed into my field of vision. Instant mutual attraction. However, I had made the deal for the night and there were several nights to come, so after telling Mr Flash ‘tomorrow’ I left with Mr Buff. Who it turned out, contrary to advertising, was really more top than versatile and wonderfully enthusiastic. With the right stimulus (and also less energetic from jetlag) I can broaden my horizons and be versatile and so that is how things went. An enjoyable night for us both. The next night I went back to check out Mr Flash. Mr Buff was there and we greeted each other, but clearly there had been discussion. My eyes were on Mr Flash, Mr Flash was angling for my attention and Mr Buff was happy to let his fiend reel me in. After confirming he would bottom, we went back to the hotel, where he clearly assumed I would bottom. The guys had been talking. However, I was no longer jet lagged. Luckily the Mamasan had been correct and Mr Flash was versatile bottom rather than top. He became my next regular. Like DivineMadman, once I agree to take a guy off, I let him change. It helps him to feel comfortable that he has sealed the deal for the night and, if I stay to see the show (which is rare), it gives him face rather than sitting in the crowd in his underwear. The guys do seem to enjoy seeing the shows at other bars. Partly I think this is market information (they get to compare their employer to others) and in the case of Bangkok Guy, he enjoys watching the buff guys at Jupiter and Moon Bar, possibly more than I do!

Jasper has a post in the Beer Bar that should be moved to the main forum. Due to the "difficulties" between them, Pakistan and India have shut down their airspace. Thai Airways has cancelled its flights to and from most of Europe and Russia. Other airlines are adjusting schedules and routings.

Wow! I was really lucky there. My flight to BKK was on Tuesday! Am I going to be stranded in BKK ? There was a cute cabin crew on my flight. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All Thai Airways International flights between Thailand and Europe were cancelled Wednesday night and early Thursday after Pakistan closed its airspace. Initial flights cancelled were four from Suvarnabhumi - TG974 to Moscow, TG954 to Oslo, TG930 to Paris, and TG916 to London - and TG296 from Phuket to Frankfurt. But the number of cancelled flights rose quickly, and it appeared all flights between Europe and Thailand would be grounded. Swiss Airlines quickly cancelled its scheduled flight to Zurich. Flights from Europe to Thailand were almost certain to be affected as well. The flight cancellations also will affect other airports in Southeast and East Asia. Thai Airways International president Sumeth Damrongchaitham described the situation as an emergency, and called an urgent meeting of top airline officials. He said one obvious stopgap measure was to change the routing of flights between Thailand and Europe - not a trivial task. The situation affects 13 THAI flights to and from Copenhagen, Oslo, Brussels, Paris, Moscow, Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Stockholm, London (Heathrow), Rome, Milan and Vienna. As of Wednesday afternoon, the Indian government also closed that country's airspace over parts of the northern India, according to Rakesh Asthana, the director general of the Bureau of Civil Aviation and Security. It was not immediately clear if that would also affect air traffic between Europe and Thailand. THAI cancelled all three of its scheduled flights to Pakistan on Thursday, and the Iranian airline announced cancellation of its flight from Bangkok to Tehran. Earlier on Wednesday, the Thai embassy in Islamabad had issued a travel warning that advised all Thai travellers to avoid trips to Kashmir, the epicentre of the Indian-Thai dispute and military clashes. Brussels-based Eurocontrol, which coordinates the airspace of 41 nations, told airlines in a bulletin that Pakistan’s airspace was closed "with immediate effect". The airspace closures came as the two countries reported sharp clashes including the reported downing of two Indian warplanes inside Pakistan. Tension has been elevated since a suicide car bombing by Pakistan-based militants in Indian-controlled Kashmir killed at least 40 Indian paramilitary police on Feb 14. These flights (below) all had been cancelled as of midnight Wednesday. Other airports including Phuket and Don Mueang, also were affected, and all passengers in Thailand booked on flights heading west are advised to check their flight before heading for the airport on Thursday. https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1636186/thai-cancels-all-flights-to-europe Also on BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-47392300?__twitter_impression=true TAGS

Thank you, guys

The question is, does Babe suck or only is sucked?

Phone call only i think. I never really call in for booking but have done a booking at cou ter for a later time/date session

It really is amusing when you try that expression on a Thai guy and see his reaction.

this reminds us that in every bar while some are salivating about this or that guy there will be others who run away screaming looking at him

My friend who has informed me of the Dreamboy move is arriving next week in Bangkok. He has a regular boy and friend with mamasan in the bar so hopefully there would be more information. However I wouldn’t change schedules based on rumours if I were you. Even with a definite official plan anything could happen last minutes and change completely.

as Spoon said, it means rimming. One profane word for ass is dtut (ตูด). That sounds a bit like the word for refrigerator dtu yen (ตู้เย็น), so dtu yen (ตู้เย็น) becomes another less "profane" way of saying ass/butt. I once came across a post in a Thai language chatroom roughly translated "refrigerator secret mystery of men" and it was lots photos of cute guys' butts. So then "wash the refrigerator" (ล้างตู้เย็น) =>  rimming. At least that's my guess of the derivation.

Hehe, this trip involved 2 'no drinks at all' offs from Xboys Pattaya and 1 off with my drink and dances with a non-asked boy drink (which was sent back and the token returned to a mamasan; coz non-asked and the first thing was actually my question to the boy about kind of promised long time - no long time; so to show off a bit the boy at once hooked up another farang and got his beer and token back such a sexy guy he is; and I moved to the second option 'plan M', who is not less sexy at all) But as a balancing act there were 2 more visits with my drinks and no offs. At the latest visit the second boy came to me, got 100 baht and no mamasan there were rushed with a drink (oh, those cheap and grim Russians! Not buying drinks for boys! Have I got a reputation there?). Actually, I was sensing that the boy could sit with me for some time, but I just decided to go to the next bar to follow some other forum members Generally, my 'no drinks at all' off are of coz with guys I kinda know or from the outside team of ToyBoys

For X-Boys Pattaya I have recent experience that you can have a boy sitting with you and get away without buying a drink. That's not my normal mode of operation, but here how it came: I'm not a fan of X-Boys Pattaya and haven't been for over a year. But I spotted a cute boy Ball online, and he works in X-Boys, and after over a year it's time to re-assess the bar and their show. So I went shortly before show to see the boys on rotation first, and then the show after. Before show started, lights went off and all boys left stage, and Ball came to sit with me uninvited (important; if I invite a boy I always buy him a drink). I think three staff asked me if I would buy him a drink, a firm "no" and they left me in peace and the boy sitting on my side. As there were only few other customers, I didn't feel he loses on opportunity for an off, and tipped him 100 when I left. The audition was positive, and some day I might meet him before or after work. I freely admit I'm a cheapskate. Under certain circumstances I can justify paying 280 THB for drink for me, but I cannot justify paying 300 THB for a boy drink. And if staff had told me the boy cannot sit with me unless I buy him a drink, I would have replied "then he will have to sit somewhere else", and taken all communication with the boy online. If a boy sits with me uninvited, and he is not my type, then no drink and no tip. X-Boys Bangkok, I haven't been for years (?) and cannot tell. But I clearly remember I offed a boy from Classic Boys about 2012 without even entering the bar, just asking at door if he is in, pay off fee, and go (after boy dressing). And similar elsewhere, but with entering the bar and drinking, call the boy over, ask him "do you want to go with me?" (no details about activities or money) and send him back to dress.

But Babe’s cheeky ‘yes I know how dumb this looks’ smiles we’re all that made that routine watchable!

Currently being pollute by Trump. Wonder how his bone sours are?

Shonen, all of us here are at that age where stuff just seems to happen. Thanks for sharing your experience and I, like the rest, wish you Godspeed to recovery. It is tempting to seek something that that promises to turn back the clock and give us our youthful vitality back. And maybe there are potions out there that have succeeded for some. But the harsh reality rarely supports the search for short cuts. Human growth hormones and testosterone have been billed as magic bullets, but these bullets can carry serious side effects as others have mentioned above. By all means, seek out a doctor with expertise in the matter and ask many questions. And be careful of your dug source if you decide this is the right course for you. I did have my levels checked and were told that they were within normal range. However I was still tempted to experiment only to decide against it. As much as I’d love to be able to splash the backboard again, those days are buried somewhere in the rear view mirror, although happily I might add. The guys we meet prove themselves wonderfully understanding in this regard Would like to thank the OP for starting this thread. It’s been and education. Btw, if you’re among the lucky ones who have discovered some form of that elusive fountain of youth, I am in envy.

That hotel is only one block from Avenida Paulista, a major street in Sao Paulo. I stayed at that hotel last year. If you have at least "Platinum status" with Marriott Hotels (the holding company of Renaissance Hotel) you will be able to use the club lounge during your stay. You can also buy access to the lounge if the hotel is not full. I do not know the cost to buy access to the lounge. You have to ask at the check-in desk. That hotel has one of the better club lounges of many of Marriott's chain hotels. It is large and has breakfast and dinner included while using the lounge. It is also open during the day for minor snacks. If you have access to the lounge, you pay nothing extra for your meals in the lounge. If you walk one block to Avenida Paulista, then walk to Trionon park, you will find many hustlers in the park looking for customers. Although there are hustlers in the park, you are better off going to a sauna for safety purposes. Here is a link to the park - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parque_Trianon Here is another link that shows the area of the park as well as the famous MASP building and other interesting places in that general area. For reasons I do not understand, the link includes photos from Paris and Munich and other cities. But, most of the photos at the beginning of the link are related to Sao Paulo. https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&q=sao+paulo+-+trionon+ark&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi2m6f_rdrgAhXkJTQIHfo3DZ4QsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1120&bih=604 Have a great time -

The narrator makes a good point. Although Spanish and Portuguese are related languages, Brazilians get somewhat offended by Americans and Europeans thinking of Portuguese as being the "little brother" or, even worse, a "variation" of Spanish. He uses a one sentence example containing all cognate words, to show how "easy" it is to understand Portuguese. However, when you enter the world of sex with Brazilian men, you'll encounter sentences like this (from an ad for a GP, i.e., garoto de programa): Here is my translation of the ad: However, if you try to put this GP's ad through Google Translate, here's what comes out: You might end up wondering, "What scene is that GP really into?!"

Not to wade into this argument, but I’d like to point out that I’ve stayed in both price brackets and there is a difference, mainly to do with my own comfort, ease of mind and getting myself into a well deserved “holiday” mood. I didn’t take colmx’s post as judgmental and can fully see his perspective. But my preference has always been towards the nicer hotels. Why? I make a decent salary, really value my hard earned short visits to Bangkok (which give me a much needed mental and physical break) and don’t want to deal with the hassle of any hotel malfunctions which might put any of my 2 or 3 or 4 days out of kilter. These visits are usually sandwiched in between intense work periods and I NEED that little oasis of peace and enjoyment so as not to go stir crazy. If I was on a two or three week Bangkok trip where my only focus was boys, I would obviously opt for something more economical but I’ve simply never had the luxury of staying that long. I’ve often thought that I over spend on hotels. Also on food, on taking Grab instead of spending five minutes to negotiate a taxi meter, on drunkenly splashing out on drinks for myself and my boys. I admire those of you who have been prudent and are now enjoying a better retirement lifestyle for your savings. Am starting to consider how I can cut back in order to put more towards my retirement fund. But my point is- you will never understand others’ motivations nor where they penny pinch to give themselves some luxuries. So don’t shoot them down for it, please. For a first timer like BenG1000, I can absolutely see why he would want everything to go like clockwork and is willing to spend to make that happen. We already know nothing in Bangkok goes according to plan! So let the man have his comfort. To the main part of my post - boys and how they respond to expensive hotels. I have NEVER experienced a boy who sulked upon receiving an agreed upon tip (or a fair going rate) simply on the basis that I stay in a good hotel, and therefore should offer more. Boys know that tips are given based on service and chemistry. Instead I find they put their best foot forward if they believe I am a well-heeled customer (pun unintentional) as they hope for a second off, perhaps with a little extra the next time. The younger boys who are newer to the money boy business love taking selfies in a posh hotel - it boosts their status in the eyes of their mates. And they’re always delighted with the comfortable bed and roomy showers, it puts them in a good mood and sets the tone I find. Even helps me to persuade one or two to long time, with the temptation of trying an expensive hotel breakfast the following day. I find most of them posing for selfies next to the hot plates and juice station! It actually warms my heart that I can offer them this little pleasure (seeing a fancy hotel, being treated like a proper customer in the dining room) so they have racked up some experience for their future “careers”. At first shy and awkward on their initial visit, nothing delights me more than seeing a boy come back on my next trip and strut into breakfast like he owns the place. And, because I like older boys in general, these boys tend to be more experienced. They have been literally everywhere with wealthy Asian customers, even flown business class - a five star hotel means nothing to them. I was just told of a Moonlight model who was paid 100K to travel with a customer for 3 days. They gently put me off when I suggest ordering room service “room service no good, I bring you outside eat khao mun gai, my friend mother cooking”. So a 2 am jaunt for street food it is. Moral of my long ramble - if a boy is greedy, he will be greedy everywhere, hotel or no. Toss this one aside. If a boy is genuinely the lovely sort of boy you want to have with you, he will just try that much harder if he hopes to keep your business.

I was at Paco’s all afternoon. Francisco indeed has blue eyes as I called it out to him. He doesn’t know where he inherited it from since both of his parents didn’t have it. Francisco is definitely a pimp and not just a tour guide. He showed me his ‘talents’ but they’re too rough and old for my taste. All have big dicks though. He still organizes the prison tours but I used my goopd judgement and didn’t avail. All in all, he’s a very friendly guy. I saw the guy who teased you from the telephone booth, @BlkSuperman. Looks like he really has a big dick. But since he has no ID, my place didn’t let him in. I didn’t feel bad because it is for everyone’s safety. He also looks young and I wouldn’t be comfortable if I won’t have guarantee that I’m not corrupting a minor. Manuel was my only guest today. I won’t expound anymore. Everything good has been said about him already and they are all true. He was hard all throughout and he fucked me like he’s proving a point on what Dominicans can do. I met a couple of guys here who are into the same thing. We kinda formed a support group We might check out Juan Binbin tomorrow.

How about this for a rumour ----- Fresh Boys (Twilight) moving to Soi 4.?