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It all seems a bit caddy to me. Let the dead rest in peace. Kipp

Day 0: The Setup So I can’t claim the term “newbie” anymore, as this would be my fourth trip to Brazil in 10 months. I do feel that I am not an expert yet, compared to some of you here. But I have gotten over my initial hang-ups with Brazil (dangerous, language barrier, samba overkill) and can honestly say that I am thoroughly comfortable with visiting the country and mixing it up with the locals. To clarify my three hang ups above: dangerous – I still think it is still pretty fucking dangerous, but one can manage the risks when one gets there; language barrier – Portuguese is still a difficult language to learn for me, but I am getting along faster than I thought I would at this stage; samba overkill – this has changed, it is now “funk” overkill, like what reggeaton is to Colombia. This trip was different from the three other Brazil trips I’ve had so far. Those other trips were planned well in advance, with fares bought many months beforehand, and hotels and AirBNBs booked before the good options were snatched away. This trip was spontaneous in comparison. Because of all the fun that was had on the previous trip, I just had to book the next trip as soon as I got home, and only 3 weeks before the actual start of the next trip. My usual preparation: 1. The journey, not the arrival, matters As one would expect, booking less than a month away from the start of the trip yielded far less trip deals ($1000 to $1500 RT) from California. So I buckled down and did a hybrid booking on two separate tickets: I cashed in 25,000 Avios points on my British Airways account from Miami to Sao Paulo on LATAM, and another 25,000 Avios points from Sao Paulo back to Miami, this time on American. And then I paid $350 for a roundtrip from California to get to Miami on American to hop on these Brazil flights. Since these bookings are separate tickets, there was always a danger of missing and losing flights if my first flight from and back to California was delayed. But $350 and 50,000 points were better than $1000 at this point. 2. Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future If you remember last trip, Diego, the garoto de programa who left me and my friends in a sauna for actual paying customers: After the trip I gave him the last 500 reals he needed for him to be able to leave his pimp, and he promised to stay with me (us) on my next trip. After I booked my flights, I confirmed with Diego, and Diego then asked me to buy him his tickets from Rio to Sao Paulo. $88 later, he was set, ready to stay in Sao Paulo with me (us) for 5 nights. As for other companions, Leo, the hairdresser extraordinaire, will be available to hang out with me again. He said he is contracted to work on a TV show the majority of the time I will be there, but will hang out when he can. Alex, Leo’s cousin who is a programmer, said he would be available for the whole time I am there, but will have to see if he can get time off. Hanging out with friends during a sex tourist trip is tricky. On the one hand having local friends can be advantageous with finding out where to go that’s beyond the tourist traps, help with the local language (though I’d rather learn the language too and having friends who speak for you is kind of a double edged sword), and filling out the time in between sauna trips (beaches! Nighclubs! Random orgies!). But traveling with friends meant having to get a consensus on what to do together. Which is like herding cats sometimes. 3. The sky’s the limit if you have a roof over your head With the flights reserved, there was the question of lodging. With my stay in Sao Paulo, I had options. Leo and Alexandre offered their homes up. Leo lived at a house near Guarulhos with his mother and pets. Alex lives in Tatuape, which is situated somewhat in between Guarulhos and Ave Paulista, so it was closer to the action. I tell them to decide for me with whom I’d stay. As we all talked about my week-long stay in Brazil, we determined that staying in Sao Paulo the whole time would be boring. Since Diego was flying back to Rio on Day 6, Alex and I thought that it would be good to also go to Rio the same day (same flight) to spend a few days there (sem Diego of course). So I booked an AirBNB in the middle of Ipanema and Copa (near Aproador), with a sofabed so Alex can stay there as well. AirBNB’s of a certain caliber (24 hour security, full kitchen, washer with gym and pool access) are still less than $50 a night, so not too bad. I paid for the AirBNB, as a thank you to Alex for letting me stay in his house. 4. Variety is the spice of life Finally, as much fun as my newfound friends were, I needed to mix it up. I wanted to see the other people I’ve met in Brasil in the past. So I enlisted the services of Thiago, my find in Belo Horizonte: When he has a break in studies, he tries to take the bus to either Rio or SP to work at the saunas there. While he has had a steady stable of customers in BH, he goes to the bigger cities at times if he needs more money and to mix it up. He stays with friends while in RJ or SP, and charges a little bit more for his programas than he would in the smaller and cheaper Belo Horizonte. He happened to be in Rio the same week I would be. So after my stay with Alex in Rio, I offered to fly Thiago to Sao Paulo from Rio to stay with me for my last night in Brazil this trip. He would take the bus from SP to BH from there in time to be home for his classes the next day. Our terms were simple: he won’t charge me anything to stay with me, in return he would be able to work at Lagoa, the sauna in Sao Paulo, at the same time I was in the sauna hiring boys. Seems like the perfect scenario to me: having someone available during all non-sauna hours, and during sauna hours, having the same person earn money while with me, while I sample for Brazilians. A win-win. No time for Gabriel this trip. I have moved on. So next up, the nightlife in Sao Paulo with Diego, Leo and Alex. Continue or no?

I originally planned on spending 12 days at my house in Mexico in mid January with my favorite guy from Sao Paulo who had been there last may. first a little recent history! I met him through a sauna guy i had known for 3 years, but he had never worked in a sauna. when I was in Sao Paulo a few weeks ago I asked him what he wanted to do and he said "could we go see lagoa?" I answered yes so fast I think I scared him! He is 25 and lived in SP his whole life but never been to the sauna! Since it was the weekend by the time we got there at 6:30 it was very busy We ran into a guy I knew from Rio and met two other guys I knew and I asked him if he was interested in going with any of them? He said Yes but only with you....so the 5 of us went up to a room and had a really great time, part of it was due to the fact we knew each other. the next night we repeated going to Lagoa again and met up with different guys. So when I was there I arranged for him to come to Mexico in January. it turns out he is good friends with the Brazilian who works in the travel agency in Cancun, who used to dance at the Boardwalk in Ft.Lauderdale and who I met 3 years ago! So he asked if he could come over for a week when we are there and given that he is gdlkg, and has a 9" thick dick, sealed the deal! So we figured the 3 of us would have a great time, then 4 days ago a Guy I met last year in Rio and was only with one night but we hit it off and have stayed in contact when he moved to Barcelona earlier this year! He called to say he was coming to Cancun but wanted to know if he could stay with us in Merida for a week when we are there? so I shared his photo with the two other guys and he got two thumbs up! and everyone said the 4 of us will all fit in a King size bed! Then tonight I got a call from a Mexican guy who lives in Mexico city and met at a party I had when I first got the house 2 years ago. He had a BF at the time but he was a pretty wild guy, he called to see when I was going to be in Merida and when I told him the date but said there were 3 Brazilians staying with me and he goes "great! are they hung?" lol I told him that while there are two master bedrooms everyone was staying in the one and there wouldn't be room for him this time. He goes "I can fit!" I said I would ask the 3 Brazilians and see what they thought...they all said "Its going to be 10 days of parties! we can put 4 more guys in the other bedroom!"

This used to be a quiet respectable town.....

Not sure if its the same boy but... Yes he is tall, yes he is muscular, and he has some tattoos, but not full of tattoos. He also doesn't want anyone knowing he is a GP. More on this later, when I write about him. Haha. Well it's still nice to get the temperature of the room. My trip reports are too long, too detailed, and too rambling even for me. Thanks for the more than ample encouragement. Some of you, privately, took umbrage with the fact that I wrote these three words, signifying that I was starving for attention. My intention was to footnote every “Day 0: Setup” post with this “Continue or no?” question, as more of a flourish or rhetorical question that it is a call for votes to see if I am popular or not. It’s always nice to get feedback, but that’s not the main reason why I write my drivel. I write about my adventures primarily because I enjoy writing, and it helps me to take stock of what just happened, especially because these Brazil trips are always super intense and always somewhat life changing. Every. Single. Trip. Traveling alone is a sort of punishment you give yourself. You willingly thrust yourself at the mercy of strangers, in a strange land, with strange customs, and sleeping in a strange bed, eating strange food, and speaking a strange language. But it does change you, always, for the better, because, as the saying goes, “adversity builds character.” So guys, for the few who are reading, I hope you enjoy the trip report!

No, they were not even friends. Hooboy died in Bangkok the night after his lover and myself had dinner with him. I was on my way to the USA and heard about it when I landed. I immediately got back on a plane and headed to Amsterdam where they lived to be with his long-term boyfriend. Hooboy and I spent months together on 4 different continents. I knew his friends well. All the vultures that wanted to take his business without his family knowing headed to Hawaii to his funeral.

I understand your point. College players do not get paid commensurate with the risk to their physical and economic health. But, they do receive compensation of various sorts beyond their scholarship. The campus rooms are very nice. The food is beyond nice. The "free"scholastic help is sometimes priceless. The get out of class free cards are available. The travel and fame are sometime priceless, other times less so. Not to mention SEX, available for all "stars" and others. My post does not mention illegal compensation. I had a request to put a football player on my payroll with the explicit comment that he would never show up and never cost me a dime. I demurred. This kind of activity is rampant. Best regards, RA1

Oh, I don't know. Do you really need our encouragement these days, after all the love we have given to your threads? Okay, yes, keep going.

Regardless of all that has been written prior to my input-- I liked the site pre and post Hooboy's death. Personally, I chose not to formulate an opinion regarding "Daddy's" shutting down for a month, for he's been away previously, and I, as an almost daily reader, has just coped and spent my viewing time in other areas. So, as far as I'm concerned-- I will just patiently wait to see what happens. I've been at both of these sites for a good while.

For those of us who knew him, most of these posts are not at all preventing HB from resting in peace. Unfortunately, the article that was posted by RH was inappropriate because it contained many false statements. Other than for that post, most of the posts are fond memories of the creator of a unique communication method for gays. I can understand how new posters would not have the same feelings as those of us who knew HB. New posters cannot relate to how many of us feel about HB's memory of being the pioneer of the first major gay chat room in the world. Try to imagine the novelty of HB venturing out in a new internet world and creating a chat site for gays who could converse with one another about almost anything they wanted to discuss. Of course, most of the discussions involved meeting escorts and/or hustlers, for want of a better word. Many discussions involved travel locations for gays. HB created a unique world that new people now take for granted. Let us give credit to who deserves credit. No, @Kippy - writing about HB with fond memories is not inappropriate and does not prevent him from resting in peace. I feel that your post was well intended even though it was off base because you were not around when these sites were started.

Definitely continue!!

RH: Clearly, that blogspot link was meant as a dig at HB and there are many other, authentic, heartfelt eulogies out on the web that better serve his life. Oz is the only guy here who has accurately explained what happened following M's death.

The cynic in me says those who have contributed feel cheated and may not again contribute to a site that accepts donations then shuts its door without good cause.

Well (hehe) it is the only reason that I can think of, and therefore it is the one I will go with!

It is so enlightening the way this conversation turned. Welcome to the Sandbox. (For you newbies out there, the Sandbox is the place we sent threads that I won't delete but only members can see and thus they die a quick death)

There was the Review section and there was the Message Center (MC or forum). For many years, I had the Review section bookmarked. I checked it everyday as part of my morning routine. I was hiring regularly in those days. I wouldn't call the forum a "chat room." AOL made those famous, and the forum was nothing like that. The forum was extremely chatty, however. It was not moderated well, or at all. HB was most definitely a pioneer. One of the first (it may be the first) sex worker review sites began in 1999 by David Helms. He created the site because of an unpleasant encounter with a "call girl." It was a review site for heteros and the their female escorts. Many banks were not online in the early 2000's. I don't know the date that HB launched, but I believe it was the first review site for gay men or any men who hired male escorts. And the forum was the first for male customers to openly discuss their encounters with male escorts, among many other subjects. It took a brave, determined visionary to pull this effort off in the early days of the internet, and HB fully succeeded. He deserves much credit and many of us customers are and will be forever grateful.

Troll, much like Trump, repeating a lie as often as possible doesn't make it truth. Like Martha Stewart, I save all emails.

I am anxious to learn what anyone with experience can add regarding the original post. Dutch, thank you for your inquiry.

ROLL TIDE!

This thread has turned repulsive. When it sought the truth, it was useful. Then it somehow went off the rails, from motives I still can't see. I did not know HB personally, but he delivered a great deal of value to our world.

I learn something new every day. I was under the impression that only a lady sat to pee! Kipp

My aim is 10,000 steps a day as well. Often more between 6,000-7,000. I'm amazed at much territory I cover just doing yard work! Kipp

The formula for Oklahoma beating Alabama is simple: 1st quarter: break Tua's anckle 2nd quarter: jam 2 or 3 fingers deep into Hurst's eye socket 1st, 2ns, 3rd & 4th: Big twelve offense. Back in the day John Vault used to keep a couple of brawny pulpwood cutters from Laurel County on scholarship. They didn't know squat about football but they could (& would) bust up just about anybody rather than go back home. Didn't matter if they were ejected, just needed them to get the job done. And if you think Bear Bryant was above all that, you're delusional. Bear was the reason Vault gave for needing those pulpwood cutters on his payroll. Mexican stand-off so to speak. Oh for the good old days when football was a game for manly men.

I agree with you that the link is a dig at HB. Not only that, there are several totally false allegations in the article. The author of the article must not have had much to write about the day considering he invented a lot of the false nonsense about HB. The author should be ashamed of himself.

And he wonders why he can’t find clients?

The whole drama is laid out on this site somewhere. What you think things looked it, is as close to the reality as it could be.

Yeah. My left leg f ucked up about three years ago and I'm told I can walk or swim but not to run.

Brexit has made London a less expensive city for American visitors, which is a small silver lining for this self-destructive policy.

I thought I had posted this over the weekend but I do not see it here - perhaps it got lost in the "ups and downs".... if I actually did post it somewhere (and I am repeating myself), profound apologies... Guy_Fawkes, after I was banned, came out in support of public executions... (Perhaps I was banned for bringing the Mississippi Senator's position (supported by a certain life form called an Avalon) to the attention of the forum. I assume that the Board is down so that Mr. Fawkes is able to make a Grand Tour of nations who have the same position as he does on public execution: North Korea, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iran. I just hope that in consideration of the cost of his air ticket these regimes manage to haul out some poor souls in order to properly entertain he whose name shall not again be repeated here. (Wow.... and I'm the one who was made to disappear!)

Good point. But that usually falls into the category of selling sex, or something taboo for the underage. We call that rebellion marketing. I think that ship has sailed. A pay site was one of my many recommendations to Daddy when he asked me to make suggestions shortly after Hooboy died. He claimed that no one liked that idea. And that's when I knew they were all not very bright. They did not truly know the escort-loving community, and they were not serious about ridding the board of nasty trolls. Deej had so many fake usernames, Daddy would have had to ban him. Let me be very clear, asking for a membership fee alone would not be the secret sauce to success. You need a man at the helm who knows how to build, manage, and satisfy a community. Daddy never had that talent or expertise. And now, he doesn't have the energy. Furthermore, the time to institute a fee is when your numbers are at their highest. You don't create a fee-based membership when the numbers are falling, unless your product is made by Adobe. And who can blame him? His servers are in the U.S. The Trump government is cracking down on porn and escorting under the guise of "sex trafficking." Daddy does not have enough money to pay lawyers for any fight that might appear on his doorstep. It's easy to see how frightened he is of cock photos on the site. Daddy survived the Rick Munroe betrayal fiasco. I found it fascinating that after all that public (and behind the scenes) mess, Daddy eventually allowed him back with his original username. Just goes to show how Daddy's rules are arbitrary. He clearly has a soft spot (favoritism) for certain troll escorts. I'm confident the JD Daniels fiasco nearly did Daddy in. It happened post Rentboy when so much attention was on the Feds' interest in escorting. He may never forgive JD and invite him back, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did (or has already). And who's responsible for creating/sustaining EOY (Escort of the Year)? There's no telling what the future holds for escorting. It seems we have a way to go before anything becomes legal. That said, this forum is much better positioned for the near future. Oz may not be an I.T. guy, but he possesses a much better personality than Daddy. And rumor has it he's better looking, which never hurts.

Absolutely. What if instead of leaves, there is shit in your swimming pool. Would you drain it before filling it back for your next lap?

Please also post a illustration picture of this tool inserted in your butt hole. Thank you.

Very interesting observation @demedici It reminded me of how I paid the very full asking price once. I dated a Brazilian musclegod several times when he lived in Europe. He had a fine-featured handsome face and a beautiful hard, ripped body. He had been featured on the covers of a couple of fitness magazines. He always had limits (I had to use condoms, I could not unload in his mouth etc) but we had fun together. He moved back to Brazil but we kept in touch and a few months later, when he knew I was going on holiday to the beach resort of Punta del Este, he asked to join me. I was unsure but he said he would pay for his own airfares if I would pay for all meals, drinks etc for the 4 days we’d be together. As his fee, he asked US$2000 but he promised to do “everything, no limits”. I did not haggle on the price. We had a terrific time. He was of course amazing arm-candy in the restaurants and clubs. His allure was compounded by the tight clothes he wore - Versace tops and jeans that looked as if they’d been sprayed on, and Speedos at the beach. He was attentive and devoted throughout. And each day and night, he kept his promise: I topped him a couple of times each day and he sucked me off, no condoms; I unloaded in his mouth and he swallowed my loads. He did everything possible to please me. Sometimes you have to pay a lot to get a lot.

I've never quite understood why the other place keeps having such heavy traffic compared to this site. I'm pretty sure it's just because they started first. No denying that any photos I post will get a lot more views in the other place, but I've gotten tired of dealing with their unpredictable moderators. I once posted a photo in which a woman's vulva was apparent. There was nothing in their posting guidelines that mentioned anything about this not being allowed. Indeed, they allowed non-erect penises to be shown (and still do). If they don't want photos of female genitalia, they could have just let me know by a private message (and, hopefully, added that to their guidelines). Instead, they banned me for a month. I had been a prolific contributor, and also sent them money a few times, so they lost a good contributor. Then they go around begging and wondering why no one wants to send them money? The photo area here is much easier to deal with, and you don't have to click links to see racier photos.

This is a question I would never answer. Not because I think not relevant but I do not want to embarrass myself and sometimes my little head thinks more than my big head. NYC - ouch Thailand Virgin - OMG Brazil Model - What was I thinking

I ignore, too. I don't have a lot of time to read forum chatter. I had some serious shit slung at me during my years at Daddy's. Never once did I hit the "Report Post" button. I was a firm believer in letting trolls and assholes reveal themselves. I'm older now, and I have less patience. I've discovered a new appreciation for the "Report Post" button here. Oz has been very fair, from my perspective. Abusive people need to be moderated. It really is that simple. Lazy admin will find any excuse not to moderate. It's not that easy to find good moderators, especially if they're doing the work for free. I usually enjoy talking politics with an escort. It gives me an opportunity to test their level of knowledge and get a sense of personal feelings. A political discussion can reveal a lot about a person. I love talking politics with friends, and I have a few who vote Republican. The down side is discovering something unsettling. Some escorts can really turn you off with their political opinion, so one has to be careful. It can be interesting to learn where the non-escorts stand, as well, but there too, one has to be careful.

Stop saying Avalo.... I heard that if you mention him five times, he will sign up and start opening threads and posting trash.

I occasionally contribute to the Politics forum here, but I confess I mostly don't read it. Sometimes, I feel like throwing my Gucci boots at the TV, but then I write a post in the Politics forum, and I immediately feel better. I save my TV from further damage, too. I think it's safer to use the Politics forum for rant therapy, but never take it too seriously. In today's political climate, there's much risk in sharing political thought. There's nothing worse than the discovery that the cock and ass you've been coveting belongs to a hated tribe member. I have no desire to give a hypocrite Republican an orgasm.

Yes - I have a home in Bangkok and spend 4-6 months there every year.... as well as trips to Europe, Canada, and Mexico... Such are the privileges of being a hard-working but underpaid American academic!

Brexit in any form is awful

Be charitable. Pine boxes are a place.