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So the other site's owner is shutting down the forum for the month of December. Probably not the smartest thing to do when you are begging for money because your reserves are down to 16 percent. Get ready and fire up the reserve computers, things are going to get busy here.

There was a time (for about twelve years) when I visited Fragata sauna whenever I was in Sao Paulo. During those initial twelve years, I enjoyed Fragata sauna far more than I enjoyed Lagoa sauna on other days of the week when Lagoa supposedly was the best sauna ("in the world"). Traditionally, Tuesday nights and Sunday nights were the busiest days of the week to visit Fragata during those early years. On those nights, Fragata was often filled with magnificent/handsome looking garotos. Fun was had by one and by all. However, about three years ago the garoto and client turnout at Fragata dwindled and became hit and miss and the crowds were, pathetically small. My being somewhat stubborn and loyal, I continued to visit Fragata at least a few times each year to see if it resumed its former fun place. Each time was a disappointment. About a year ago, I totally stopped visiting Fragata because it was a waste of time and effort to go there. Last week, one of my Brazilian friends told me he was going to Fragata "for old times sake" - - I wished him well. My friend reported back that he had a wonderful time almost as good as in the old days. I was skeptical, and decided to see for myself. Tonight I went to Fragata. My friend was correct. This being Sunday night, it was nearly as it was in the earlier years. What a shock I had tonight - - walking into Fragata was tantamount to watching a porno movie. Beautiful handsome guys, many with huge erect cocks, were standing around masturbating and many were making out (kissing and fondling) with clients in the hallways. Needless to say, I felt an inital shock but decided to join the fun, and fun I had. For those who visit Sao Paulo and go only to Lagoa, consider Fragata. You might be pleasantly surprised. Needless to say, I plan to return to Fragata Tuesday night to determine if the old tradition will also be in effect for next Tuesday. I will write an update if the Tuesday tradition holds.

Yes I stayed at the same place. No problems for visitors but once the front desk lady did say to my friend in espanol “so many visitors!”. There is a hotel Nicolas de Ovando looked really nice nearby, not far from Spanish square. I heard they have a stricter guest policy but you can still manage to get guests in.

I am a huge ass eater. I like playing with the image that I am actually kissing lips when I am rimming. In Spanish ass eating is called Beso Negro. A few fuck buddies were able to help out my imagination by contracting and loosing their ring at will, responding to my kisses. I miss them. But gargling and spitting??? I would marry that ass.

I can control the pressure, just like home in the US where I have a shower hose. And yes, I do it multiple times until the water comes out clean, that is the whole point! That is how it is recommended. Have you ever seen this? https://howtocleanyourass.wordpress.com/ So what on Earth are you taking about? Also the water coming out of this tap is the same as every other tap, there is only one water system in Rio, it would be incredibly expensive to have a separate set of pipes into every appartment just for the little bit of water that is used in the toilet! And yes, @Alaskabear, the tap water is safe to drink in Brasil: https://www.tripsavvy.com/drinking-water-safety-in-brazil-1467423 “Tap water is typically safe to drink and you can brush your teeth with the water. But because of how it's treated, it doesn't taste very good.” I don’t have many tasting buds in my ass, so that is fine by me.

After a very long season in Alaska I’m finally free for winter travels. I’ve not been to PV in a few years and now that I’m newly single I’ve decided to spend a couple of weeks vacationing here and in Guadalajara both solo and partially with a friend from CDMX. Flight from Alaska via LAX was effortless and fairly swift. Thankfully Uber exists so no more hassle with taxis offering inflated prices. I paid $130 MX pesos for my trip to the romantic zone. Certainly a lot cheaper than a typical taxi. Uber directs you across them pedestrian bridge to pick up there. They aren’t allowed curbside at the airport. However my driver called me as I was walking across the bridge and said he picks up curbside if it’s only one person. It looks less suspicious than a whole family. The exchange rate has been around 20 pesos per dollar which is incredibly convienent when the smallest peso note is 20 and equals a dollar. I arrive on a Sunday and the town is filled with tourists. Lots of activity and wonderful weather. The whole town has a very carefree vibe which is exactly what I need. I check into my oceanfront suite, change into summer clothes and open Grindr to see nearly half the profiles are boys at massage parlors or straight up escorts. Taps and messages start coming in and I start making contacts though I’m quickly fading and needing a shower. This day was my second day off since late April when I started my summer season of work up north. It’s all catching up. So I take a nap and save up energy for the strip clubs. Antropology and Wet Dreams are still running strong after all these years. This is my fourth trip to PV in about six years and not much has changed it seems. Old town and the romantic zone are thankfully still very mom and pop touristy instead of the more American suburban feel you get from the marina district onwards to Nuevo Vallarta. I start the night off At Antropology and I’m delighted to see quite a variety of guys. My previous trip the selection was sparse and Twinkish and shy. This time there were two dozen boys in a variety of shapes and skin tones and age. Options! Dancers approach and invite exploration for a few bills in their shorts. I love this form of shopping and it’s why I’m so looking forward to the saunas in Brazil later on. After a while I choose my boy and we take a “private” upstairs. It’s 500 pesos ($25) for the right to use the tiny little room but once you are up there anything goes if you arrange it with the boy. I paid 300 pesos for some oral action and “leche”. Good times. The next night I check out Wet Dreams. Historically for me Wet Dreams seemed to have a higher caliber of guys, or rather guys that are more typically muscles and looks. But they can also come with an air of king peacock too. This time however it’s a lot more humble with attitudes than my previous experience there. However there were some stunners that night. Antropology is a bit more boy next door in comparison. The same story applies to Wet Dreams as it does to Antropology, 500 pesos for the back room. I pass on that this time and instead I grab a few phone numbers after an hour of drinks and touching and conversation with several boys. As for the independent boys on Grindr I meet up with a couple of them. One was a boy from Venezuela and the other a local guy born and raised here in PV. Prices quoted started off at $2000 pesos but dropped down to 1500. Which seems to be the going rate with a few guys dipping below that. This was Grindr only. I didn’t negotiate boys at the bar or even the street trade which could certainly be had for less. Speaking of street trade, it’s certainly here and as thrilling as it is, I pass. There are several massage parlors with boys advertising on Grindr. I’m actually looking for a proper relaxing massage and I find a guy who is legit. $500 pesos for an hour of bliss. I feel drunk after he’s finished. I’m not sure how other guys are though at the other parlors. There seem to be a half a dozen of them here. But for sure some boys are just fronting and looking instead for clients for higher priced sex sessions. All in all PV remains a great first stop for me after long working summers up north. It’s easy, carefree, charming, beautiful, not fully gringo, friendly and humble here in this part of town. Sunsets over banderas bay have been absolutely spectacular. The food is fantastic. From nicer restaurants to taco stands and typical restaurants further in the city for locals. It may be pricier for trade here than other spots and it might lack the cultural activities the bigger cities have, but as a pure vacation spot that’s meant for relaxation, sex, food and sleep it’s perfect for me. Im heading to Guadalajara today for the weekend and I’m not sure if I’ll be hiring anyone as I might be meeting up with a cute boy from Barcelona. Nonetheless I’ll try to report on it as well

When it comes to Mexico Rob is the expert! He lives there and has been to most of the places where you can find guys! Maybe even created a few new ones! :-)

I suspect they just had a huge drop without all the catfights. Marylander keeps trying to pick one and I see Kenny lasted 1 day. I dont know how they plan to start back up after a month .Never happened afaik

The cynic in me says it could be a ploy...to get more money out of members who fear losing their playpen.

That's one way to keep the Grinch at bay. No board can truly survive if the board's owner is broke, his health is failing, his volunteer "staff" are idiots, and there's never been a viable, reliable plan to build financial resources. In my neck of the woods they call this: bad business. Thank goodness and merry Christmas there's an option. LOL! I really enjoyed that laugh. Daddy claims to be this I.T. genius (who can never seem to find enough work). His board is run by vBulletin software. It doesn't get more basic than that. You'd think he was running Tesla. Daddy uses the word "upgrade" as a smoke-and-mirror shield to make it look like he's working to earn donations. In the meantime, can you see these upgrades? Can you feel them? I didn't think so. He doesn't even know how the Time-Outs appear to users. LOL! Daddy reminds me of the old fat guy with a huge beer gut, who complains when he drops something because he's too fat to bend down and pick it up. The "staff" needing "time off" is SO LAUGHABLE. These drama queens take themselves so seriously. Many of us are creatures of habit. Bad habit. It's human nature. But once you discover the joy of "no begging," and the joy of x-rated photo uploads, not to mention the joy of no deej, there really is no looking back (except to poke fun and steal a little chuckle).

I guess that means Marylander will be in withdrawal mode and will come back here. Good thing we have the private clubs.

I live in a city and don't own a car so it's just natural for me to walk that much.

an entire month???

I will be there for Christmas and New Year. Of course I will report back here.

Woof! Approach him ;-)

The very real risk today is the leakiness of the post-Soviet nuke stockpile to 3rd-world (or whoever) random anonymous terrorists. A Congressional committee member once asked Oppenheimer, 'What technology could secure New York City from a nuclear attack?' Oppie replied: 'A screwdriver.' Meaning of course you would have to open & inspect every single shipping-borne packing crate entering the ports.

The extended analogy of pool poo doesn't work because my example was related to overdoing a method. The only swimmers diving into and up my arse wear a full latex body suit that does not hamper vigourous strokes as they come explosively to the finish line. I need not sit out any laps if I do my gentle prep for sitting on laps. Moderate, judicious use of an enema bulb is analogous to skimming the leaves off a pool. An aggressive fleet enema into colorectal nether reaches is like trying to hose down a manure pile. (Perhaps a better analogy than my initial attempt.) The sigmoid section and further distally within contains fecal matter that supports a healthy internal ecosystem. It is best left there until more waste crowds it out. I think Blindjaw's piece is somewhat cavalier and irresponsible. Pressure-washing down the mucosal lining disrupts the balance and can create problems with internal surface integrity. Cracking and drying, greater STD receptivity, and reducing contraction tone thereby leading to chronic constipation. With enemas like that who needs enemies? I want a healthy and naturally lubricated womb able to push those full-term babies out. But whoever wants repeated abortions, D&C, have at it. Fill and drain those swamp creatures. To each his own gut. Most poo that occasionally spots a condom is closer to the sphincter. And those innards are somewhat corrugated with debris retention folds. More like an inverted pine cone than an inverted acorn, more artichoke than persimmon. Yet nine out of ten non-douched fucked asses see their guests off with minimal hygiene gross-outs. Dicks are not as if they are poking through the straw hole into a full juicebox. If we could just train that part of our chutes closest to the atmosphere to gargle and spit ... OMG.

Absolutely. What if instead of leaves, there is shit in your swimming pool. Would you drain it before filling it back for your next lap?

Getting rimmed definitely gets you in the mood for getting fucked.

Changing your mind is not weird. You may be a skillful ass eater.

Glad you enjoyed yourself... Been over DR and the buggarones there for years..(went often in my 20s and celebrated my 32nd there)... Everybody is sharing the same few guys who are all well known and the begging is the worst DR does have a decent gay class of guys who arent really pros but will give you a boyfriend experience if you pay for food, drinks, entertainment, etc. DR and Brazil are so similar but Rio definitely wins on the culture, things to do and quality of the guys.... DR does have some very attractive guys but the best Dominican trade is in Washington Heights...

I thought rimming was supposed to get the guy clean for fucking*! Of course, prolonged rimming means I lose interest in fucking, although once this gymnast kid told me he didn't want to get fucked. I didn't know why. But he let me rim him all I wanted, and soon he was demanding "fuck me, fuck me!" Is that off topic or just weird? * j/k

...NOT only in Argentina but in other parts of the world also: Barcelona, Rome, Paris, as well as in Warsaw and Krakow, Poland. I even used in 2015 when I visited Habana, Cuba. I love my bidets!

...in 1959 the US and Turkey agreed to deploy one squadron of 15 nuclear tipped Jupiter medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM) missiles in Turkey. They also deployed them to Italy. The deployment to Turkey began in June 1961. They became operational in April 1962. This photo shows one of the five "flights" (3 missiles each) of Jupiter MRBMs deployed at Cigli Air Base, Turkey during 1962 and early 1963. The Jupiters were armed with 1.1 megaton W49 nuclear warheads. You can see from this map why the Soviets did not appreciate these missiles in Turkey. The sites in Turkey were largely in western Turkey. Even though the Jupiter was a MRBM with a nuclear warhead, it could hit Moscow. That certainly stuck in Khrushchev’s craw. Furthermore, the Jupiters really were very vulnerable. They had to stand in a vertical position, it took a long time to prepare them for launch, and they had little to no value as a deterrent. Instead, if anything, they would motivate the Soviets to attack them first, pre-emptively. -------- RA1, the missiles in question were the medium range version of the liquid fueled Jupiter. It took several hours to drag them out of their sheds, haul them to their launch pads, hoist them upright and then load them up with hydrogen and lox and otherwise spin them up to a ready condition. H>O>U>R>S. Recall these are not the Jupiter ICBMs buried deep in super hardened holes in Arkansas. These are the fragile birds sitting in a Quonset hut version. Said sheds being located less than a hour from Warsaw Pact air bases. Deterence value: zero; retaliation value: zip; even first strike value; awkward at best, but scary as shit to the Russians. So what they were was exactly what you NEVER, EVER want in your nuclear inventory: (1)scary as shit but (2) easily trashed in a pre-emptive strike. The worst of all possible weapons to deploy, more dangerous to you than to the enemy. RA1, hard as it is to believe, in 1960 the guys running the world simply had not figured out that nuclear weapons were not just a novel, game changing war technology, they changed the whole dynamic of great power rivalry. So, yes, obsolete from the day of installation. We actually made ourselves a smidgen safer by removing them. As the Russians made themselves safer by removing theirs. It's funny how it's easy to see how the Russians were better off w/o those Cuban missiles but much harder to see why the US was safer w/o those in Turkey. It takes figuring that out to begin to understand the true, real world, very practical consequences of possessing nuclear weapons. PS Did we know they were useless at the time? Well, a lot of people didn't understand it that way. So many in fact that that side agreement remained secret until we actually began closing the bases some months later. And Kennedy denied any such agreement to the day of his death. 1960's version of FAKE NEWS! LOL. So Dear Hoarder: at the least, Kennedy figured it was worth scrapping a handful of missiles to keep Khrushchev's head on his shoulders long enough to get those missiles out of Cuba. Remember there were lots of folks (hoarders?)in Russia who didn't understand how Russia was better off w/o those Cuban missiles. Learning to think in terms of 3rd and 4th order consequences doesn't come easy.

Yes, please do, in case some here don't quite know where to find theirs.

Please also post a illustration picture of this tool inserted in your butt hole. Thank you.

Douching in general is not good for your insides and should be done sparingly. I strongly advise NOT to use your homemade cold-water bathroom hosepump contraption. You are likely going to overshoot the pressured water up into your sigmoid colon where your pre-BM fecal matter gathers and lives prior to being released into the rectum. That fecal matter can then get diluted and runny and seep past the built-in semi-valve musculature into the rectum, thereby exacerbating your already existing concern of having poo in your rectum. You are likely going to fill the cavity with far greater than the recommended volume of water (100 ml or 1/3 cup) before the water can be expelled back out. That aggressiveness accounts for some folks getting a little obsessive and repeating the insertion over and over until the water comes out of the ass clear. They are reaching too far up the poop chute and dragging down more matter. I also think that those hoses by the toilet is the least treated water and not filtered like some kitchen tap water might be. I believe it's main purpose is household cleaning. Anyway, I purify douche water by boiling and cooling tapwater to lukewarm. Or using warm shower water. Adding about a half teaspoon of salt per cup to relicate normal saline. But I stay where there is a kitchen. Otherwise, would likely use room-temp bottled drinking or distilled water. I myself do use the typical Brazil bathroom hose for very exterior ass cleaning. Over the toilet, or in the shower if it reaches. And then gentle soap and a pitcher of warm shower water for rinsing the anus if the shower nozzle is fixed and not itself on a moveable hose. Or bidet if available. And the douche bulb as you describe, but no more than 2-3 times per week. I tend to get loose stool if not travellers diarrhea in Brazil, so have to calibrate my bottoming accordingly. I take the plastic measuring cup (you can improvise) of lightly salted water into the shower along with the douche kit. I override the refill problem by using a plastic-tip syringe, not a metal needle-tip type, drawing the water from the supply and expelling it into the bulb about 5 times to fill it, then inserting the tip back into the bulb and using a little lube for anal insertion. I try not to repeat the process more than once per cleanse session.

Experienced bottoms can relax their ring and let the water fill their bowels.

I very much like the culture, nightlife and architecture in Buenos Aires @JuanP so I’ll try to answer your questions. To put my comments in context, I have made more than 12 visits to Argentina. Each trip was for at least a month, but my last visit was 6 years ago after I witnessed 2 robberies/assaults in daylight in the best part of Buenos Aires. You talk about the ‘holiday’ so I guess you mean Xmas-New Year. Most Argentines spend this time with their families, but there will be some guys in the city. Rich Argentines go to Punta del Este (Uruguay) for the beach, restaurants etc while middle-class portenos may be in the countryside or at some of the Argentine resorts. Generally the city is fairly deserted in the first 2 weeks of January but it will get busier as the month progresses and be back to normal (ie very hectic) in February. If you go to Punta del Este, my strong advice is to take a companion from the city with you. You might meet a guy there, but it’s unlikely (unless you’re young and handsome). There was one gay beach years ago (close to the urban areas of Punta) but on my one visit it was all couples. At the Argentine resorts such as Mar de Plata or Pina del Mar there may be some working guys from the city as well as local working guys. Mar de Plata had more of a scene and some guys advertising. You also mentioned skiing. I’ve done that in the Lake District and northern Patagonia, but I doubt the ski resorts will be open when you visit. I went in May and there was plenty of snow at the high elevations. You might be able to do some cross-country skiing but remember this is true wilderness: without a local guide, you can easily get lost and be beyond the range of any help from emergency services. In BA itself (and I assume that you do speak Spanish) you will be able to contact working guys readily. If you’re reasonably fit, I’d suggest you frequent a local gym - the Megatlon chain had lots of gay men as members, and the Alto Palermo mall has a large Megatlon gym that was cruisy. My last pieces of advice are to dress well at all times (Argentines can be vain and they certainly take pride in their appearance), to stay in a hotel with good security (Reception will check the ID of any visitors to your room) and if you want to take a stranger home, please take him to a ‘telo’ (local term for a love-hotel that rents rooms by the hour). In BA there is no anti-gay discrimination and you are unlikely to encounter any prejudice. But it is very rare to see any PDA by gay men or lesbians.

Boytoy is a source of invaluable information to me. Thank you all. I am so blessed.

Those who think you are - - - crazy to go to Fragata - - - would have a different song to sing now, if they had been there last night. By the way, it was not only the "guy next door" type at Fragata last night. There were some muscle guys but most were good looking or handsome types rather than the muscle types so often found at Lagoa. I already have a small group of my Brazilian friends ready to make a renewal appearance tomorrow night at Fragata. Like I wrote, if Fragata lives up to its former tradition (Sunday and Tuesday = good nights), I will write an update.

I always say how I still go to Fragata and some people think I'm crazy..... However, I prefer the guy next door look over the big muscle guys.

If you do not know, Chiang Mai is the second largest city in Thailand and in the very North of the country. Per capita, it surely has more farang (foreigners) than Bangkok and can be very nice to visit. Our journey was by bus overnight and I must admit that the thought of 10 hours on the bus made me cringe but it turned out to be not as bad as I feared because this special bus has only one seat on each side of the isle and is quite comfortable and adjustable which made it easy to sleep. Our visit there was primarily to see the lantern festival which is held in conjunction with the Loi Kratong festival. Several hundred paper lanterns are released into the sky for several hours by many people participating in the event and everyone is standing around enjoying the evening. After we got a thrill out of the lanterns lighting up the sky that night like hundreds of stars we left the next day for Mon-Jam where there is a resort in the mountains which has cabins or tents for rent. The weather was cool and very pleasant and negated the requirement for air conditioning. In the evening we ate outdoors at a picnic table where we were served a Mookrata. Different meats and vegetables are provided to self cook on a charcoal burner which is brought to the table. Fun and good eating for a couple of hours. Next day we left for home a bit tired but thinking of a fun event.

I didn't post this on the exact day of Thanksgiving because I didn't want to look like a suckup, but I am very thankful to Totally Oz for the website itself and the calm atmosphere that he and his assistants maintain. Thanks to all of the contributors as well. I wouldn't be here without you.

RA1, I agree that Kennedy was a very average POTUS, fucked up any number of times, died a timely death (for his reputation), and benefited from a massive and sustained propaganda effort by the Kennedy wing of the Democratic party in the years following his death. Think Hitler if assassinated in 1938. The Krauts would still be building monuments in his honor. That said, Kennedy was under tremendous domestic pressure to meet the Russian provocation with decisive military response. The CIA and military intelligence were insisting that the missiles were not yet operational but soon would be. Once they were fully installed the Russians would be in a position to thumb their noses at us. Pentagon advising take out the sites NOW, cabinet (including McNamara and Stevenson) thumping their chests and competing on who dick was bigger, Republicans screaming for blood and warning against a sell out. Kennedy, with little support from his administration, went with his least confrontational option: a naval quarantine. No blood, no dead Russians (and giving the Russians a week or two to think things over). Sanity prevailed, a deal was cut, we agreed to pull some soon to be obsolete missiles from Turkey and not to invade Cuba again; Ruskies pulled their missiles and agreed not to build any large Naval base in Cuba and not to station a large army presence there. Neither side had to admit in public to the side agreements. Not a bad deal for us. Good enough for us that it got First Secretary Nikita bounced by the Party not long after. What we know now is that despite all the assurances by our intelligence folks, some of the missiles were in fact operational. What we know now is that the Kremlin, not knowing if they could maintain communications with their command authority in Cuba in event of hostilities, had already authorized the use of those very operational missiles in event of a pre-emptive attempt by the US to destroy them. We didn't know Castro was willing to take a nuclear hit to keep those missiles and was throwing a fit at the notion of Russia backing out. Castro just didn't believe our private promise that he wouldn't wake up some morning to the sight of US troops landing in Havana harbor. So all that macho chest thumping by all those folks who should have known better was based on the false assumption the there was nothing much the USSR could do in response. No operational missiles, remember? Ask yourself what the result would have been of a Russian nuke going bang in the middle of a 2nd Fleet task force off the coast of Cuba. Back then, neither folks on our side nor folks on their side had really thought through the nature of nuclear war. Both civil and military authorities conceptualized nukes as bombs; extremely large, extremely destructive, but not different in essence from say firebombing Dresden or Tokyo. It was, in fact, only in the aftermath of the close call of the Cuban confrontation that folks began to realize that nukes were different in essential nature from other munitions. It seems an insane joke to say that it took folks almost two decades to figure out that nukes had made general war between Great Powers obsolete except as the means of an elaborate ritual of national suicide but that in fact is the case: Folks who own nuclear arsenals just can not use them against other folks with nuclear arsenals; It's exceedingly dangerous to engage in conventional war against a nuclear power; Because of very practical considerations relating to pre-emptive strikes, it actually very dangerous to set precedents by using nukes against non-nuclear powers. And so on... To this day, some folks still don't get it. So let's give Kennedy the credit he's due. his gut instinct was right and all the wise advice he got was very very wrong.

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Today (and two months after the events of this trip report): a view from our AirBNB apartment in Barra de Tijuca in Rio. After a few days of depressing rain, finally the sun makes an appearance. Today is definitely a beach day. This current trip, despite only going to the sauna once in 6 days, is probably the most fun I’ve had in Brazil. I could write a trip report about it, but without enough sauna days, would anyone here want to read it? Along the horizon: Pedra da Gavea, (perhaps worth a sunset trek later), down below, the busy Avenida das Americas (driving it is not as challenging as in Centro) and at the center, the start of a Christmas tree.

That, really, is a whole other topic. So many men have been accused, often for things they did years ago, and now find themselves shunned. Sometimes just on someone else's word. No one has come up with an appropriate way to deal with this. Should a groper be punished the same as a rapist? Spacey molested children, and was a general asshole to work with. So many might consider this his comeuppance despite his talents. But the whole Me/Too movement has risen abruptly to power and they currently hold all of the cards. Time will eventually allow some of these men to return to work. I do hate it when a man is immediately considered guilty simply because of the allegation. But the media eats it up.

I have at least two gay friends who are conservative repiglicans. It is impossible for me to understand this. Surely they must realize that most of those super conservative evil bastards would put us in concentration camps if they had enough power to do so.

@tempguy : & @Alaskabear : Then you guys would love the two clubs mentioned in my post. Both clubs are what I think of as Latin gay show clubs. The boys dance then come around and associate with patrons willing to pay for their company. They will talk to you for free but, if you expect to maintain their attention for most of the night you should buy them "boy drinks" yes, they are more expensive. At Enigma the boys actually get the drinks you pay for, hence the picture of the dancer drinking the beer. However, BarBotas Bar is as always a unique case. In Botas you pay 100 MXN to basically get the boy sitting next to you a water, of that 100 he only gets 20 MXN. I was told by one of the boys that he would rather I just kept on ordering mojitos and feeding them to him surreptitiously then tipping him in cash discretely than keep ordering him waters that he didn't really want. You might be better off ordering a bottle of liquor and watering you boys that way. I was having such a good time that at one point I had 3 boys in my garden; of course the owner had to disperse them to keep me in a rotating maximum of 2 at a time. Now as for touching, I am not sure how far you can go in public but, I was able to touch nearly everything I wanted while I was paying for drinks. If you want to touch areas of the boys that are covered then you should probably take them private. The private at Botas only cost me 150 I think, maybe 250 but I was a bit intoxicated at the time. The guy was good and let me touch anything I wanted. He also mentioned that for more tips he could do more and this is probably where the true monger would make an arrangement for meeting at a later time. I love both of these clubs since they are relatively inexpensive and have great guys on display. The guys at BarBotas are definitely more defined than Enigma but, Enigma has a more relaxed atmosphere. I really enjoyed both establishments. If you have any further questions please ask I will do my best to provide answers/guidance.

I just returned from a week in CDMX and I can say that my earlier reports regarding the demise of Botas Bar were not entirely accurate. It seems that the bar has moved/split up. With the above mentioned Enigma and another bar that I just visited called BarBotas Bar. The guys are definitely hot unfortunately, taking one home is just as difficult as the original Botas Bar. Your best bet is to go private and arrange for a meeting later in the day. Pertinent pictures of both establishments, as well as a few personnel ones from my trip, follow: 88f74b87-2556-439c-bda1-b8a3f5ed8602.mp4 7302ffbc-ce77-47d1-a950-4cb9b85f1625.mp4 14200255-b90c-4b00-8407-80c7bc12e2e6.mp4 ebf5a794-de81-47fc-9033-b7ee0670307d.mp4 fe22713b-579a-46fb-961b-54c89a0ed75b.mp4

I have been fixated for over a year on this grocery delivery stud around the corner, whose pecs are perfection ... hard to tell in the pics. I wonder when: 1) he will catch me red-handed and take me to tASSk 2) I will break down and arrange a bulk order of things I don't need along with things in big packages I really really so very much need