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I am American living and working for over 25 years in Rio. I have frequented the sauna scene for years. Over the years I have had friends drugged ( boa noite cinderella), beat up, tied to beds, chained to toilets, robbed and several murdered. Brasil and especially Rio are extremely dangerous. The police are poorly trained and paid very little. A very small percentage of crimes are solved and most likely the crime will not even be investigated. The judicial system is slow and inefficient. The boys and all of us who live here know this as it is constantly repeated in the press, on the news and portrayed inthe local novelas.... In Rio, often, nobody is who they seems to be. The gringo tourists often behave badly, in ways they would nerver conduct themselves at home. Many falsely allude to wealth or the possibility of taking the boy away to Europe or America. The boys must register with copies of ID to the suana...... but mostly the boys give false names (nome de guerra), ages, home locations, to the clients...... I've seen many foreign clients try to negociate lower prices and even refuse to pay afterward... claiming the boy did not provide the agreed service. Prostitution comes from lack of opportunity and poverty. That does not mean they are stupid or have no pride. Treat the boys with respect.... I recommend doing as the locals.... Never bring a stranger into your home or hotel room. And if you do not speak portuguese and know Rio de Janeiro well.......NEVER EVER BRING A STRANGER INTO YOUR HOME OR HOTEL ROOM.

Thank you for posting this — because unfortunately, there are many posters here as well as onlookers and lurkers who will read glowing reports of Brazil and throw caution to the wind. Also thanks for chiming in about bad client behavior. I’ve witnessed it as well over the years, and even some posts at this board have alluded to some clients reveling in treating working boys like they are beneath them. I’m not suggesting that all sauna boys are perfect angels, but I certain have seen enough to know that some clients through their own behavior are just begging for trouble.

Several years ago, I was at Clube 117 on a typical night with lots of clients and garotos. There was a friendly client there that I knew from the saunas and from occasional lunch meetings away from the saunas. He was originally from France. He had moved to Rio and had an apartment. The last time I saw the Frenchmen was at Clube 117. He was doing ordinary things people do at saunas and we were chatting about trivial things. After a while, a garoto I had never seen before, approached us and said hello. The garoto was not interesting to me but the Frenchman liked him. I stayed a minute talking with the two but excused myself after I realized the Frenchman wanted to get together with the garoto. A few minutes later, I saw the two go toward the front desk and I assumed they were going for a key to a room. Instead, the Frenchman and the garoto left the sauna together. I thought nothing of the Frenchman choosing to go off premises with a new garoto rather than stay at the sauna to get together. The Frenchman was quite familiar with Brazil and with meeting garotos. The next day, I did not see the Frenchman at the usual pro kilo place where he and I planned to have lunch. However, the next evening, when I went to Clube 117, I heard that the Frenchman had been strangled to death in his apartment. To my further surprise, there were two Brazilian policemen at the sauna and had asked to talk with me and with a couple of other Americans because various garotos said that the Frenchman and we had been talking just before the Frenchman left the sauna with a garoto. We were asked to look through many photos that were stored at the front desk of the sauna. The photos were copies of identification cards of garotos who were required to furnish their identification in order to work at the sauna. Sure enough, the photo of the garoto who left with the Frenchman was among the photos. The policemen thanked us and that was all I knew about the incident. We all agreed the photo was the correct person who left the sauna with the Frenchman. The police did not seem very interested because the only thing they knew about us was our first name (when you check in at the sauna they ask only for your first name) and that we were foreigners. I don’t know if the garoto was ever found or if the killing was ever solved. I later learned the only reason for police involvement was because the murdered man was not Brazilian. I was told that killings of gays is common in Brazil and does not even warrant a news report or investigation unless the gay is a foreigner. Not a pretty picture, by any means.

Simple nylon wallet with worthless crap plus a few Metro fares, moderate cash, low-balance non-linked prepaid credit card. An old-ish photo of fake hetero me and fake wife (not shown).

Well if I was young and looked at what the baby boomers had done to this world I'd want to try something different too!

I'm with you. Again, welcome to the board and don't hesitate to speak your mind. From my perspective, Oz (the owner of this board) enjoys free-thinkers. Strong opinions are welcomed, too, as long as they're politely written.

A PIG escort once wrote on that board that I should "go fuck myself." I don't have any problem fighting back, especially to a contempt-ridden escort, so I told the PIG to go fuck himself in response. It was the first and last time I ever told a Daddy's member to do that on the board. I got banned for writing those words. The escort's membership remained active. The escort's words lasted on the board a few weeks, and then the offending posts were deleted. It became perfectly clear to me that certain escorts were given preferential treatment. As long as they didn't cross Daddy (ie: Rick Munroe and JDDingleberry). Escorts were allowed to break rules while others were not. If you complained about arbitrary rule enforcement, deej would jump down your throat denying any. If you challenged that denial any further, you got banned. They're all a bunch of sissy ignorant hypocrites who are AWFUL at managing personalities and running a board. Daddy's is the worst managed board I've ever experienced. That's because they're all LAZY and they don't give a shit about the community that exists. They don't even care about the ones who donate money. Not really. The community was started by Hooboy, but not a single one of them possesses Hooboy's spirit. What is left is a bunch of cheap, broke, tasteless wannabees, hanging on by a thin thread taped to a shredding dollar bill.

I do not know Suriname nor Guyana even though I work with these contries and it is not that easy (bribes, delays, ...) Franch Guyana is part of France (it is a departement). But there are many safety concerns due to immigration from brazil and Suriname and people looking for gold in Amazonia

I'll try not to discuss politics here and keep it to the fun stuff - just be warned: I am a militant ultra-leftist ... a true revolutionary street fighter - I do not suffer racists, bigots, or Republicans gladly! And still happy to be here.

I heard that if you accidentally swallow the tequila worm it viloently hatches out of your belly button and relentlessly wreaks havoc everywhere. (Sorry ... couldn't resist). Exhausted and hungry diaspora is not likely going to zombify you. Maybe try to volunteer at an emergency Red Cross hydration station.

Is this real life?

The photo has already been removed from this site.

Some displays at the Cidade do Samba carnival prep complex in Gamboa today ... and a typical quaint snack wagon

I have not, and my big head suggests, it is hoped consistently, that if my little head absolutely must have a destaque GdeP wound around it we should rendezvous at one of the clubs with quarters. Maybe some exceptions: some listed providers are well known longtime acompanhantes with legit good reviews. Even then, a public drink or meal built in for solid additional vetting. I have booked sauna club guys at my apto or local short-term sex lodgings if we are really really well acquainted and have previously worked out and finessed the choreography smoothly, along with ironclad agreed donation arrangements. By then, they know my expectations and values and that, after the deal is struck, falar dinheiro ė igualmente homicídio meu pau. As close to 'boner killer' colloquialism as I can get.

You can imagine the number of smart trolls who have done the same. Most "respected" members have a writing voice, a voice they enjoy writing in. Creating a second voice seemed insane to me, which is why I was never interested. I agree, not worth the effort. Once I found out that Daddy stepped away from the forum, I definitely knew I wanted no part of deej's company. Sad is relative. Some people like to be alone. To be clear, some gay men are infirm, without a social network. Some of those can't have sex anymore. I'm content when they find a home on a board like this one. Some communication with fellow gays is better than none. I wouldn't wish loneliness on anyone who doesn't want it. I would take ten Avalons over one TROLL any day.

Stop saying Avalo.... I heard that if you mention him five times, he will sign up and start opening threads and posting trash.

Here's my vote. What's yours?

Yes!

Thank god for the youth of today & tomorrow! It is not a 'political' thing. Just who they are.

He may not be a straight actor, but I have a feeling Harvey Weinstein will never be permitted to work in Hollywood again. No re-acceptance for Harvey. Spacey was a talented performer. I don't know anyone who would call him a "great artist." The industry (and the audience) will do just fine without him. It's a little more complicated than that. Spacey turned out to be a PR disaster, caused by his own mouth. Whatever talent he had, he killed all good will available to him. It's very difficult to recover from that in show business.

Also, there are many fewer posts here and less frequently so it's a natural break on flame wars starting. And if you check some of the political posts you'll see they were not contested political opinions. Most are ignored. We just don't.

Everyone has different reactions during this kind of events... There are people who get mad and get stabbed/shooted. There are people who trigger their survival instinct while keeping enough focus to don't do the most stupid thing (run away) and who manage to get safe. There are people who just don't react and that the only loss they get is entirely economical. Nothing can be said about tomcal's reaction.

So it is the same story i was told about, but i was told the guy was spanish. Sad story. For sure i know about a guy who got beaten down from a sauna guy so hard that his face was far from the one on his ID card. I am not one of those who tell the users to don't take sauna boys at home... But for sure, it's not something you wanna do if you don't speak Portuguese. If you're a grown man you can understand by talking to a guy if he is trustworthy or no. And there's another thing foreigners tend to forget... Brazilians are strong people. A 20 yrs old magrinho could be much more lethal than a 40 yrs old muscle man with a knife, in a country where there's a strong martial arts culture.

That, really, is a whole other topic. So many men have been accused, often for things they did years ago, and now find themselves shunned. Sometimes just on someone else's word. No one has come up with an appropriate way to deal with this. Should a groper be punished the same as a rapist? Spacey molested children, and was a general asshole to work with. So many might consider this his comeuppance despite his talents. But the whole Me/Too movement has risen abruptly to power and they currently hold all of the cards. Time will eventually allow some of these men to return to work. I do hate it when a man is immediately considered guilty simply because of the allegation. But the media eats it up.

It's completely mainstream.

In Portuguese, the distinction is less important. If you want to research general murder (noun) in the news you look for assassinato or homicídio ... assassinado for past tense. Using 'assassinate' was but mildly assaultive linguistically. Besides, so many politicians are made to take a dirt nap, they are scooped into the generic 86ed category.

When this discussion becomes tiresome, I am sure someone will let me know. The worst things about the other forum is that when a member offends management, no warning is given at all. You are simply "disappeared" with no explanation.... judge, jury, and executioner.

I'm definitely over 100 books per year if not close to 150. I love to read and for me it's almost entirely an actual book in either hardback & paperback. I buy a few books but also patronize the library.

I view venting as healthy, necessary therapy. "Dwell too much" is subjective. Members (and Oz) tend to be very vocal when you've hit their limit. Not sure it's fair to call it the "daddy site" anymore. Guy Fawkes can now be anyone in admin. I would assume GF is deej. I would assume deej is doing most of the time-outs. Daddy almost always wanted as little to do with the forum as possible. A lot of members wrongly think Daddy is running that forum. "Admin" attempts to run the place in secrecy, given the Feds and all that, but they also use the secrecy to keep members in check. The biggest mistake anyone can have about anything "Daddy's" is to expect honest transparency. It's just not going to happen. Many "respected" members from the Hooboy years experienced the knife in their back. The longer you remain loyal and donate your precious time there, the better chances you'll feel just how sharp that knife is. Some board owners fail to acknowledge the importance of meaningful contributors. Laziness and complacency among board admin is a notorious problem in forum life. If you're not careful, your board will end up with nothing but Avalons, lonely guys who love to talk to themselves, and ask inane questions every five minutes. In fairness, referring to back in the day, Daddy would respond to private emails in a thoughtful, polite manner, and not try to pose as someone else. The same is not true of deej. Deej is a sneaky liar, who thinks he's smarter than any other member. When I publicly called him out on one of his lies, I got banned. I was very proud of that moment. I still am. Haven't read the politics forum there in years. I remember one White escort who was blatantly racist against Blacks. We used to communicate privately. Without knowing the specifics and reading deleted threads, it'll be difficult to explain what you feel is a "blatant pattern." Sounds like a deej reaction to me. Nobody knows rude and obnoxious quite like deej.

I love to read. Ever since a child when my sister and I went to the library and came home with a stack of books. We devoured them and went back for more. Even now I still read about 150 books a year.

BT is more appealing in being more globalist and less USofA-centric.

Trying not to dwell too much on the horrible-ness of the daddy site, but... I was long considered "one of the most respected members" of the site because when I was not mud-slinging I actually elevated the level of discourse considerably there. But there was a blatant pattern of tolerating/encouraging overt and blatant pronouncements of white nationalist views there and of course i went ballistic. mind you, i publicly announced one day i would no longer post in the politics forum and the very next day the fascist management (with all due respect) banned me. They can shove it.

Same here. The former Daddy site is dying a slow death. Perhaps, just like the former owner, whose precarious health and financial status has been known for a long time. Now that the Daddy forum is in the hands of deej, members will never know who is actually running things or pocketing the donations. Deej is the most untrustworthy homo alive. A true miserable gay man filled with contempt. I will never support him. I feel sorry for any gay guy or any escort who chooses to align himself with this repulsive character. Welcome, nynakedtop.

Glad you did not get shot. You actually put your 2 brasilian friends in danger by going back in the door. All very lucky!

i "hacked" that sorry old daddys/m4m site in less than an hour after being banned - mostly just to prove to myself how easily it could be done.... then i took a look around and realized it was not worth the effort. nothing sadder than a huddle of reactionary gay men.... nothing more pathetic than some power in the hands of a gaggle of people who think they are far more important than they actually are! in any case.... happy to be over here instead! may "guy fawkes" & co. fester in the hell of their own making!

Swipe left to right for increasing freedom and safety ... Guyana is more Caribbean in values. Sodomy law technically remains on the books. Suriname more relaxed but do not expect Netherlands-level openness. No mixing of same-sex surnames. French Guiana law follows that of France. Gay marriage is legal. And imported champagne likely cheaper.

Someone once asked me, why go looking for the pot of gold when you already know where it is, lol

I talked to one of the sauna owners and he had heard the same story but no one I have talked to knew which guys were involved or who the client was, but assumed that they were trying to keep it quiet... 5 different sauna guys I know also heard the same story but unlike the incident that happened to the French guy 5 or 6 years ago, there has been no verification or names given

My candid camera catching joggers militar.

I have similar stories about unscrupulous clients — mostly traveling ones (which is why I prefer not to socialize much with unknown clients when I travel). Last week, at 117, I witnessed a tourist client cheat one garoto out of his money and time, and his only response was basically that these garotos are so poor and desperate that they should be lucky to get whatever we give them. No one deserves to be murdered, but kindness and empathy and not treating these working guys like disposable trash is always a better option.

Day 10: Vamos We went to bed around 3 AM. I set the alarm for 7 AM because I had to catch my flight back to US at noon, and we had to tidy up the AirBNB before we left, as well as getting some farewell Café da Mahna. One of the disadvantages of getting an AirBNB vs a Hotel. While one could leave the AirBNB with a mess, my mom raised me better than that, and we had a lot of beer cans and dirty dishes in the sink that needed cleaning. I am fairly sensitive with keeping my AirBNB reviews positive. At 5 AM, still a little bit tipsy, I got woken up by the doorbell. Took me a while to realize who that could be. It was Diego, trying to get his bag back. I tiptoe towards the door and look through the spyglass in the door. Yup, it was him. I go back to the bedrooms and look into Leo and Alex bedroom: both were sleeping soundly. I go back to bed and get a few more hours of shut eye. I heard the apartment phone ring a few times, but just assumed it was Diego trying to call us from the guard shack downstairs. The alarm rings at 7 AM and I get up and wake Leo and Alex. We all hear the doorbell ringing and I tell them it is Diego. “Serio?” Leo says. I am sure he wants his bag back, I say. Leo was thinking about what to do next. He then tells me to hide in my room. “He’s going to try to appeal to you. I need to get the truth out of him,” he says. I do what I’m told and go in my room to pack. I then go take a shower. I put on clothes and head to the living room. I see Leo texting and Alex doing dishes in the kitchen. I see Diego’s backpack still here, open. “What happened?” I ask. “Diego is taking a shower in the other bathroom,” Leo says. “What did he say?” Leo says that Diego was promised 500 reals to fuck the two clients who were interested in him last night. They bought him some beers and got to know Diego, before asking him to go to a cabina with them. But Diego said he had a problem: he said because of all the alcohol, he couldn’t get it up. The clients offered to buy him some Viagra and commence their tryst at a love motel nearby. Diego’s bill was paid off by the clients and they proceeded to buy the Viagra and then had a romp in the sack. It was 3 AM by the time they finished. He took a cab to Ipanema and slept some hours in the beach. At 5 AM he went up to the apartment to claim his bag. I shrugged my shoulders. Leo said he told Diego that I was very disappointed in him. “But I’m not,” I tell him. “Well, I am,” Leo throws his arms up. I can certainly understand his anger. To tell you the truth, at this point of the vacation I was just glad I did not get robbed or get swindled by anyone. A GP reneging on a promised night was hardly something I would be upset about, especially since there was no money involved. Diego emerges from the bathroom, in a towel. He goes over to shake my hand and I return the gesture. “Desculpe,” he starts, and I feign disappointment in my face. He says he will just change and then would want to talk to me. He disrobes, revealing his perfect body and his cock swinging, as he changes into fresh clothes that were in his bag. He then goes up to me and hugs me. He said he was sorry he left us. He said he had to do it for money. He asked that I see him again next time. I barely hug him back (still feigning), and tell him good luck. I go to my room. I hear Diego and Leo exchange some words before Diego leaves the apartment. All three of us clean the apartment up and finish packing before the AirBNB owners come in to retrieve the keys. We had breakfast next, at a nearby cafe, and made our goodbyes over coffee. Back at the apartment, the owners, who were also gay (and hot) were pretty nice to all of us and we had a nice conversation about our vacation. I will rent from them again. I Uber it to Galeao and check in to my flight. Another vacation done. Time flies. Some post-trip events that happened, proving that a proper Brazilian vacation stretches out long after you’ve left the country: 1. Leo, intrepid friend and bleeding heart, was really affected by Diego’s actions. He extended his Rio trip by another 4 days, about 5 days after I left Brazil. It was his mission to get to the bottom of Diego’s story. He managed to get Diego to come back to Ipanema at Leo and Alex’s new AirBNB, to talk it out. Diego’s story, as with most GPs stuck in this kind of work, is very complicated. 2. Since Diego did not have a phone, Leo had to call his “roommate” to set up the meeting. In turned out that the “roommate” was not really just a roommate. It was Diego’s pimp. Leo had to tread lightly. He pretended to be interested in becoming one of the pimp’s employee’s. Eventually the pimp was amenable enough with Leo, to deliver Diego the message of wanting to meet. Diego was able to visit Leo and Alex in Ipanema before heading over to Pointe 202 for work. 3. Diego’s story was pretty compelling. Without getting into too many details, let’s just say a tragic childhood and crushing poverty got him to Rio in search of a better life. Not being able to find work (and not having a place to stay and food to eat), he was recruited by his current pimp in a party Diego happened to be in. Citing his extreme good looks and bigger than average cock amazing ass, the pimp offered Diego a roof over his head and 3 squares a day, in exchange for access to a customer base, and 50% of Diego’s income. He was stuck in this prison ever since, not being able to leave because he didn’t have a cellphone and he did not have enough money to get an apartment. 4. Leo and Diego eventually were able to form a plan for Diego to leave the pimp. Diego had some money saved, and he could pool it with another fellow GP to get a room farther away (but cheaper) in Barra de Tijuca. But he needed help getting a cellphone. So Leo asked me for 300 reals to buy him a cellphone. I trusted Leo enough to do this. Leo used his own 200 reals and Diego and him went to the Centro area, near the Uruguaiana station, and Leo got Diego a cheap smartphone. 5. At the end of the week, Leo was able to help Diego move from his prison near Copacabana, and move into his new digs in Barra de Tijuca. I got all the scoop and photos and Whatsapp live video of the move (and Uber ride from Copa to Barra de Tijuca). Diego was pretty thankful of Leo and me. It’s amazing what 300 reals can do. 6. Diego, upon hearing that I was visiting Leo in Sao Paulo in 3 weeks, promised Leo and I that he will take the bus to Sao Paulo to stay with me, and us, for free, as thanks for all the help. I accepted the deal, but wasn’t really optimistic about this happening. Did it happen? I guess I need to write that next trip report for everyone here to find out. Sufficed to say, the Diego saga is still ongoing. In other news, of all boys I’ve had programas with this trip, Gabi was the only boy to hit me up for money while I was back in the USA: I forwarded my interactions with Gabi to Leo, and Leo was on his case as well. He found out that Gabi had not one, but TWO gringos who sent him money on a regular basis. Gabi even sent Leo some of his Western Union screenshots, in which Leo promptly send to me. The screenshots contained the person’s full name and address, as well as amounts sent from $200 to $500. I hope you guys trust your own GP’s in not exposing your identities to others. That’s it folks. I still have 3 trips to Brazil this year after this one.

Not to even mention the potential harm and risk that you placed your Brazilian friends in by running off, leaving them with a pissed-off armed gunman (or two).

You brought pussy into this sacred space?!?

Our Lady of Glory Church steeple, Largo do Machado, not to be confused with OLGHill church at Gloria ... Also, front of Catete Methodist ... has historical roots 19th century Old South missionary expansion into Brazil ...

Rio Ocean Club canoes early morning today Praia Flamengo ...

I have been fixated for over a year on this grocery delivery stud around the corner, whose pecs are perfection ... hard to tell in the pics. I wonder when: 1) he will catch me red-handed and take me to tASSk 2) I will break down and arrange a bulk order of things I don't need along with things in big packages I really really so very much need

I was near the Providence Hill favela today in Gamboa, probably the oldest in Rio. There has been a gondola car running for a few years. Controversial as to its benefit to the morro community. It is in two sections. The trees in the later pics are in the English cemetery to the right where, among the buried, are English Brazilians who died in 20th century warfare fighting for England. The hole-in-the-wall salon adjacent to the clothing loja advertises on the chalkboard sidewalk sign hairstyle, mani, pedi, massage, and ... you guessed it ... botox treatment. The yellow R is my location area. The climate this time of year is ab fab outstanding.

He didn't molest children. He tried to have sex with a 14 year old. That's inappropriate but not child molestation.

Tonight (Thurs) 117 little more than a one-horse town at 6, but picked up fairly substantially with several familiar guys and a smattering of new fellows. A reasonable number worthy of naughty sandbox play. Nice time. I think several lads left with no cash for their trouble. One well known guy was in SP last week chatting me up a lot. He is very flirty and upticking his English fluency. I told him he could stalk me as much as he liked. He has 3 hot straight vids made two years ago. I keep trying to convince him to make the leap to gay scenes. He could make a lot of bank with the right studio. Friggin' hot. I have proposed a few script story arcs that might make the idea more palatable and comfortable. He just laughs it off. I would pay the house more for a pillow or two. Maybe one day Monik will replace those tired long past expiry date mattress discs ... square would be fine. My tab was undercharged. Perhaps there was a privé special, unlike any other Thursday past 3+ years. Here is "T" in a vid still or two ... warning 'vavaj' alert.