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these were the strippers tonight at pointe along with Junior the owner!

Day 6-8: Um Boy Um Carro I am going to rush through 2 and a half non-sauna days into one post. I have ventured to three different saunas in 4 days (with a repeat to Sauna Olimpo in Belo Horizonte). As much fun as the saunas are, I needed a break from them. Luckily, Leo, my hairdresser companion for this trip, is an awesome sidekick when it comes to touring Brazil. We thought about venturing outside of the Ipanema and Copacabana axis and discover the rest of Rio state. But taking a break from the sauna did not mean taking a break from boys. Gabriel, the Carioca with the perfect body, handsome face, and a libido that won’t quit, is going to be with us for this break. And for the break, we needed some sort of transportation to get out of here, and Leo had a perfect suggestion: Um Boy Um Carro – A Garoto de Programa with a car. He met such a guy on his last trip to Rio via a mutual friend who hired the guy, though for driver services only, no monkey business. In that trip, they got to talking and Leo sort of surmised that the boy could be bought for sex if the price was right. Leo showed me the boy’s Instagram page. Holy moses. This boy was beyond sexy. He was gorgeous. Late 20’s, white Italian looks. Perfect abs. His swimwear always showed an outline of his huge bulge. And a killer smile. He does not work at the saunas, and just works long hours as an Uber driver. He relishes being a tour guide once in a while as it gives him a break from the tedium of Ubering. Leo got in touch with the boy, let’s name him Mateus. Mateus suggested meeting us over a cup of coffee to discuss terms and expectations. Leo and I chose Parque Lage as a meeting place, the green space in the middle of the city of Rio, since I have never been. After a fun Café da Mahna, we head over to Parque Lage and admire the greenery and culture: After two hours of wandering in the Parque, Mateus finally appeared just after an Uber fare. And he was everything his Instagram page advertised. He approached us at our table at the restaurant in Parque Lage. Leo and I both stand up to greet him. Mateus gives me a firm shake, and then a hug. He smelled really really nice. He ordered a coffee as we discussed our plans for the trip. Leo took the reins of setting expectations. We will pay him a daily rate. He will be with us the whole time. We will pay for all his food and drinks and lodging, which would be a room with me or Leo or whatever lodging we could muster at the beaches. Leo asked about his “GP” duties, like how many times, and to what extent the sex would be. Mateus quickly tells us that he does not count how many times he will be available for sex. If I was horny, we can do it. If he was horny, he will initiate. He said these things were much better with no pressure. Its good to have no pressure on vacations, and even better with sex. He adjusts himself while he talks about this. I ask him if he got turned on by just discussing about sex. He laughs, and says “a little bit.” He tells me he won’t disappoint me when it comes to this regard. I love how open and free Brazilians are when talking about sex. Even in an uptight café in the middle of a lovely park in Rio. Leo and Mateus agree on a 500 real per day price for Mateus’ “Um boy um carro” services. This included gas for the car and sex. If you think about it, this is super cheap. You normally pay what, 150 reals for 30 minutes with a boy? I am getting the boy, and the car, and the gas, and the sex, for the price of 3-4 boys in a sauna (not including sauna and cabina prices). Not that I was justifying the price at the moment. I was willing to pay more for him, due to the quality I was getting. Somehow Leo pulled me down to earth to zero in on a fairer price. Mateus drove us back to Ipanema and tells us he will be back at 9 PM tonight to drive all of us to Arrail do Cabo, the cool beach cove 2 and a half hours outside of Rio. In the evening, Gabriel arrives and Leo fills him in on the details. Gabriel is skeptical of the whole arrangement, probably because there is another boy that will be sharing me with him. I am fully aware that I am combining three disparate people into my fold and expecting them to get along. Let’s see what happens: 1. Leo, Gabriel and I have dinner first before Mateus arrives, and the differences between the Carioca and the Paulista have never been more apparent, from the clothes (Carioca casual vs. Paulista cool), demeanor (Carioca bombast vs. Paulista wit), and temperament (Carioca impulse vs Paulista introspection). I got used to the differences in their sotaques (accents) really quick, with Gabriel’s SH sounds and Leo’s rounded R’s, for example, providing endless entertainment to my ears. 2. We pick the restaurant Carretao, which has been discussed before in this site. We were quoted a 100 real per person price. I was prepared to pay for that but Leo was not. We start walking away and the concierge counters with a 60 real per person price. Leo accepts. Is this dual pricing? I was ready to pay. The food was great. The churrasco very yummy. But I can see how they can take advantage of tourists this way, who wouldn’t necessarily negotiate a lower price like locals would. 3. Mateus' car was a bit on the small side, but snuggling up to Gabriel in the backseat while Mateus and Leo in the front shot the shit, was pretty awesome actually. It made the 2 or so hours drive fly by, On the way I opened my Grindr and talked to a few boys from Niteroi to Itaborai to Arrail. I had a fairly promising conversation with a nice 20 year old cute boy, but got dismayed when he said this. Another gay Bolsonaro fan: 4. I reserved an apartment for us four (me, Leo, Gabriel and Mateus) through Booking.com, but upon arriving at 1 AM at the place, we found out that our check out time was too early (8 AM) on the last day. Without Leo speaking on my behalf we would not have been able to cancel without penalty. I wonder how non-PT speakers can do it. We were lucky we were able to find two rooms at Varandas Ao Mar, a hotel in Arrail do Cabo that was by the beach. Pretty reasonable, and they had a room that had two beds for Leo and Mateus, and one with a King Bed for Gabriel and I: 5. We had two whole days to check out the beaches in the area, including Arrail do Cabo, Cabo Frio, Forte Beach, and some sites like Praia das Dunas and the towns surrounding. Gabriel and Mateus, Cariocas to the very core, wore skimpy trunks and had a ball frolicking in the sand and water. Leo, more reserved, was in boxer trunks. Pretty sexy, but still, more reserved. Lots of photos were taken, as one should, in paradise with beautiful boys. Sorry guys, not sharing the photos of the boys tho. The guy pictured below is not any of the boys lol: 6. Sex with Gabriel was a given, but with Mateus it was more tricky. I did not sleep in the same bed with him at night, as he was in Leo’s room, and I could not ask Gabriel to sleep in Leo’s room as he did not seem to like Leo that much, and Leo did not like Gabriel as well (jealousy?). So I had to manufacture sexy time with Mateus, which is probably the unsexiest thing you can do. I used Leo as my “agendador” – my scheduler. Leo would tell me on Whatsapp when Mateus was getting randy, and I would tell Leo if I wanted Mateus. It worked well, and Mateus and I did it in Leo’s room, with Leo going to the pool or go out for a smoke while Mateus and I did the deed. As for the sex itself, it was spectacular. Mateus, as with Gabriel, had a huge cock and knew how to use it. Body was perfection, kisses were deep and sensuous. He bottomed for me once, but he was truly just a top. I didn’t mind. Sometimes foreplay with him was enough. Overall, it was an amazing time with everyone, even if Leo and Gabriel did not get along with each other. I highly recommend venturing out of Ipanema and Copacabana to go to these other spots in Rio state. The places didn’t seem particularly dangerous, though we did venture into some favelas with our drives around. We left Arrail around 4 PM on the last day, to get back to Rio in time to meet up with Leo’s cousin, as well as to be able to go to Pointe 202, my first time. That’s next.

You made a mistake, handled it well, cut your potential losses, and had the balls to share it here before a critical audience so others would benefit. Clearly, a net gain.

To be even clearer, the “gay beach” (or the gay part of the beach) in Ipanema is directly between Postos 8 and 9. The dead center of it is where Farme de Amoedo ends at Av. Vieira Souto, and you’ll see two barracas (beach vendors) with gay rainbow flags (among others) on the beach. The periphery of that area is gay-friendly, but the farther you go out away from it, the less so (by Rio standards, of course). I just want to clarify this because some posters (and lurkers) here are WAY too literal, and could end up going directly in front of Posto 8 or Posto 9, expecting a “gay Barbie” experience and getting hugely disappointed.

I still even with guys I have known for over a year and have come to my apartment several times a month. I still have them leave their ID with the doorman. Also, I do not know if it helps. I learned that if you see guys outside the sauna do not give them the exact date you are departing. I always tell the guys my departure date is a few days past when I have already left. For me, it seems that they are much more likely to take something when they know you are leaving and may not see them again. Plus when the guys know the day I am leaving that is the day that everyone's grandma gets sick or mom fell on the train on the way home from work. Over 6 million people live in Rio and two guys the same day mothers' fell on the train and are in the hospital within two hours of the other. What a coincidence! We have all been there. My first trip to Rio 10years ago the other site set me up with a guide who stole R$700 and then he complained I did not pay his full day guide fee to the administrator of the site.

Monday, at Lagoa in Sao Paulo, is usually a quiet night with hardly any clients and/or garotos. Rodolfo came up with an idea that he thought would make Monday a profitable night. Last night (Monday) Rodolfo lowered the entrance fee at Lagoa to R$30 - that's right - R$30 - Even in the early days of my visiting Lagoa nearly fifteen years ago, the entrance fee was R$35 - Bottom line - the place was packed with both clients and garotos. A good time was had by all. There is no guarantee that Rodolfo will stick with this same promotional entrance fee for future Mondays. He would be a fool if he didn't considering the huge turnout of clients/garotos which equalled a profitable night for him. Those who are interested and are in Sao Paulo on a Monday, can call the sauna and ask about the promotion.

On a side note, the last two chat bubbles from the Niteroi boy on Grindr would translate like : "I can't wait to start my english lessons so I will be able to leave this country back, even more so if Bolsonaro is elected". He only wants to flee from the homophobia Bolsonaro will bring. PS. Loved your report as always Numazu, keep them coming!

There’s lots of good advice here from various posters. But I want to applaud @likeohmygod for taking the time to detail his experience and to acknowledge openly how easily things can go wrong. It’s good to remind us all that bad things can happen to good guys. My guess is that almost all of us (with a certain experience of hiring companions in various places over the years) will have had something similar occur.

I have a few in my stable who are strictly gogo boys (gogo boys tend to view themselves on a higher strata than mere sauna boys, for some unknown reason — I guess whatever helps you sleep at night). I initially met them all discreetly, and did not discuss a programa immediately until off-site or alone privately. Because they like to elevate their status, the prices are higher to justify that. Some were dullards in the sack but a few are highly rated and would put the best sauna garoto to shame with their bedroom skills. As Tom says, many unknown variables go into play regarding if an individual gogo dancer decides to hook up with you, even for pay. In the past few weeks, I’ve witnessed some VERY inexplicable hookups, so I’m no longer going to claim, like other posters here have, that a client’s looks are EVER a factor with working boys who are all about the cash. I’ll just assume that these clients have loads of personality and plenty of game (in addition to reais)! The 1979 pop song by Joe Jackson, “Is She Really Going Out With Him?”, comes to mind a lot. They should play THAT on repeat at the saunas instead, replacing the continuous Whitney Houston and Cher techno remixes and Madonna’s “La Isla Bonita” that I hear ad nauseum.

it depends on you! your personality/ salesmanship/ and it coinciding with the night they need cash! It has been my experience...that until they know you a little they won’t! once they have seen you around or you have been introduced to them then expect double the price you have been paying the sauna guys as a general rule. Usually i don’t think they are worth it as they think they just have to lay there, but i did see one regularly for almost 2 years who was a exception to the rule!(he is still dancing/stripping)

I want to tell you about an unpleasant episode which happened to me a couple of weeks ago in Sao Paulo. I live in Brazil since the beginning of this year, I am not a newbie and I did never have a problem with garotos (from saunas, and from the web). The thing is that depending on who you are, and how horny you are, in some circumstances the "second brain" can replace the main one and let you do mistakes that can be quite expensive. So I was in SP, during a slow day to go for Lagoa, so I did my search on Grindr and I have found the sexy guy I was needing for. Since my apartment was so messy it looked like a bomb exploded in it, I decided to go to his place (100 mt from my apartment). Now, this is already something you must not do, it's not safe. But I was in SP, I have never had a problem even when going to GP's apartments, and I am a fluent portuguese speaker. Rate set, ready, go. To lower the risks, I always bring with me the GP's tariff + 20/50 reais just in case, plus a credit card (which is a card where I can set a spending limit whenever I want, using the smartphone app). The guy was good, as in the pictures, good sex. Not the best, but still good. So what happened? At the moment of paying (here's another mistake i will explain you later), after taking a shower I realized I was missing a 100 reais note. At the beginning I started to think that it must have fallen out somehow. The guy was helping me to look for it inside the apartment. Then I have realized how stupid was the thing I was doing and how good was the acting of the guy. There was no chance that a 100R note could fall out of the wallet and out of my trousers by itself, and I did check the amount 3 times before leaving my home. So I was unable to pay the boy by cash, who pretended to look surprised by my words. Even if I do not show any sign of fear and I can speak some good portuguese, i am still a young 70 Kg, tall and untrained european white guy; so there was no reason to get beaten down by a 90Kg tall muscular moreno latin guy inside his home, by letting him notice that I was missing 100 Reais because he actually took that note from my wallet when i wasn't looking. So in the end he took out his credit card terminal and I paid him the difference (plus 50 reais to cover the "transaction fees"). In the end the damage has been very small, but what would have happened if at my place there was a guy who easily gets scared and axious, and that doesn't speak portuguese? What would have happened if this guy wasn't alone and was looking to steal more than 100R? The truth is that this is my first bad experience (well in part, cause sex was good haha) out of hundreds...but shit can happen, especially if as you do the mistakes I did: Do not go to a GP's apartment unless you already know him well and you know what you're doing....you don't know what can happen in there. If going to a GP's apartment, pay in advance. Some people believe that paying later will convince the GP to perform better. The thing is that it's bullshit since the GP perfectly knows that you're in a hostile environment and that in any case you will pay him to don't have problems...willing or not. If I did pay before having sex, I wouldn't be writing this thread now, since the wallet would have been with nearly nothing to steal inside. Do not shower in a GP's apartment...this is the most stupid thing I did. The guy opened my pockets and took one of my 100R note while I was under the shower. Be wise, and don't let your cock or ass, take control over brain.

The mother's were fighting about who's son got to go with you before you left...and I thought that only happened to me

Thanks for this, @caeron. I have booked the paragliding experience with the same organisation, for me and the husband, we will be in Rio in Nov. Hopefully it is not a rainy day. I have been very lucky with the weather this year, maybe I am going to run out of luck before I get to Brazil! I see they also have a diving day now, as another experience which they sell. My husband doesn’t like that, so I’ll probably go to that with a garoto.

The real crisis will be if Hillary tries to run again in 2020. She would just interfere with the Democrats putting up a candidate who can win. Can't she take her millions and just shut up?

Sometime I sit and sometime stand. I have no fear of public restrooms as long as they are clean.

There is indeed this hypothesis about Yeshua bar Joseph and his disciples themselves... ...may Yahweh strike me down!

If you didn't have the good fortune to be born a Carioca, then you're right, it is more of an ideal to aspire to. But all is not necessarily lost. I've found that the more time spent with certain Cariocas, the greater the potential for this ideal to rub off on you.

Act like a Carioca? If only. Cariocas have a special quality that comes with birth and gets reinforced as they grow in the family and the neighborhoods. Hanging out with them is as close to acting like a Carioca as I can get!

No , is in Copa....lo0ks like it's been renovated. http://www.timeout.com.br/rio-de-janeiro/en/gay-lesbian/venues/354/rainbow-kiosk

Well that too

It isn't you like you ass getting pounded? jk

I had two guys over this week. For both of them, one I have known for 10 years and the other I just met, I always hid my wallet and have only cash available that I'll pay. This is a good choice or anyone you don't know or do know. But, I trust no one and I shower with the door open and all valuables put away. When I stay in hotels, I leave things in the safe. When in Brazil, I also always had another Brazilian guy I trust with me in the hotel and thus, no chance for any issues (I'd have been ok if that boy took the money as it would be less than he got in the end of my stay anyway). Sorry, you had this issue.

Posto 8 in Ipanema is well known as the gay friendly section of the beach. It is near Farme de Amoedo street. Is that what you are talking about floridarob?