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Whether the sauna stays open or not does not depend on Mvan's friend predicting its demise. He may be right, he may be wrong. I prefer to wait and see. I think you are being too hard on Mvan for relaying a friend's opinion.

Exactly! Recently, I visited the new sauna in Rio that other posters here rave about: Manhattan Rios. On what is touted as its busiest night, I was in and out in 15 minutes. Hated it! IMHO, it was like Meio Mundo — in my book, a negative — nothing but twinks and at most, regular-looking guys off the street — which isn’t MY idea of a good time. But that’s just MY opinion. If others like the place, knock yourself out. I don’t need to go back again to decide the place isn’t worth my time and money. But I don’t begrudge others for liking what they like.

Well as we have discussed most garatos are in it for the money. If someone promised them a better life, one where they wouldnt have to hustle and still make a good living for their families, they would take it. Its a pipe dream but look at trump voters.

I was in Bogota again a few weeks ago and would like to share a bit about my stay. I didn’t plan on going to Bogota so soon after my last trip to this great city, but a Colombian Chaturbate model living in Baranquilla I had my eye on for a while expressed interest in (1) meeting me for a nice trip somewhere and (2) wanted to check out Bogota as a place he’d like to visit and possibly move to. His terms were simple, (1) pay the flights to BOG from BAQ, plus food and drinks were my responsibility, (2) I were to bring some warm clothes for him to wear, and didn’t care if they were pre-worn. My terms were (1) I could do anything to him and (2) I could hook up with other guys while he was staying with me. We had a deal. Usually the boys just wanted a break from the soul-crushing work of having sex on cam, as well as being stuck in a house full of boys, and it doesn’t take much for them to go on a weekend trip with you. Let’s call the kid Carlos. He is 22, tall with a lean muscular build. His draw online was that he looked younger than 22, had an angelic face, and an enormous penis that was always hard. He would also pair up with off-again, on-again Venezuelan boyfriend, who was 21, strikingly beautiful, and also had a large penis. These two would take turns fucking each other online. They weren’t the highest of earners, like other boys I know, but they were hard workers, and from my extensive Whatsapp conversations with them, pretty humble and simple. I toyed with the idea of inviting Carlos with his boyfriend, but the unstable nature of their relationship made me just want to stick with the more masculine, handsome Carlos. I bought his roundtrip airplane ticket on LATAM for $64 total. I took the red-eye Aviance flight from LAX to BOG direct flight that gets into Bogota at 7 AM. I was going to stay for 3 nights on this long weekend. Some notes: 1. Since I was getting into Bogota early, I had to get a hotel that allowed early check-in. I looked online and looked at some reviews of top hotels that had reviews for early check-in. I settled on the Embassy Suites Hilton, which had reviews of some people being able to check-in early. Sure enough, getting there at 9 AM was no problem. I got a room right away and was able to take a 3 hour nap while I waited for Carlos. 2. I received a call from reception to let me know that Carlos was downstairs. I rushed downstairs to fetch him. Reception asked for his “cedula” and made a copy and added his name in the reservation. No fuss. The hotel itself was OK. Nothing special, but had free breakfast as well as a free happy hour. Carlos and I did not need dinner as the happy hour hors d'oeuvre were enough for the two of us. 3. Our first night was a Thursday and we had fewer options for night life. We opted to try the “El Mozo” gay bar, which had great advertisement for their “College night” on Thursdays. We were impressed by the building and bar, but found the clientele to be a bit bland and music to be just OK, so at 12 midnight we decided to leave and head over to greener pastures. Not much college night about the night. 4. After a cursory search online we decided on just giving up and going to Theatron, on a Thursday. They had this for advertisement (Jueves Hot), so why not give it a try: I really had my heart set on going to Theatron on a Saturday, their big night, but we were itching for some nightlife so off we went. 5. Theatron was different on a Thursday night. No cover, and no line to get in. Just the usual security pat down and ID check. We went through the side entrances and found about 50% of the bars closed. Most of the bars open were the ones in the upper levels. There were fewer people, but the crowd was definitely more fun than in El Mozo. 6. The “men’s only” upper floor at Theatron was actually not men’s only on Thursdays. They allowed women also, and the dancers were not nude when we got there midnight: I thought this was because there were girls that night so the gogo boys were not allowed to be naked. Well when it got to 1 AM, they changed models and the model onstage quickly got rid of his undies to reveal his hard on: At 1 AM, the drink prices changed too. They were charging full price for all the alcohol. It’s probably why the models got naked. More money. 7. We changed hotels the next day, and we were glad we did. I tried the JW Marriott in Bogota and they have specials in the weekends ($130 a night). With status I received free access to the lounge which meant again free breakfast and free happy hour. Again we were able to take advantage of the happy hour hors d'oeuvre selection which was enough for dinner, and the breakfast was a pretty hearty amercan breakfast. 8. Carlos was a frisky one and he was pretty determined to find a good “prepago” or prostitute for both of us to share as soon as we got to our room. A lot of great selections on mileroticos website, the Colombian website for paid boys. Carlos pretty much handled the searching, talking and asking the price. Most were in the 150k to 250k COP range, which was $50 to $80. Some samples: We both agreed upon this blue-eyed stunner who was versatile and agreed to take both of us. Asked for 250k, Carlos bargained him down to 175k ($59) for an hour. Two hours later the boy was at the JW Marriott, and he didn’t have any issues getting to the room with us. Security was tight but didn’t pay us any attention. The boy ended up staying three hours, partly for sex (which was awesome, and threesomes aren’t my favorite, so that was saying something) and partly because Carlos and he hit it off. We all went to happy hour together and the boy loaded up on the free beers. He said goodbye after dinner. Money well spent. 9. We were intending to go to Theatron this Friday night but I wanted to check out the stipper bar “Gigolo Erotic House” first. It was so much fun that we ended up staying the whole night till 3 AM. Cheap booze (whiskey bottle was $30 with cokes and waters) which we shared with the boys. Hot dancers who went around the room looking for tips and lap dances. We noticed some dancers here also were dancers in Theatron. So to answer someone's question, yes, you can hire the Threatron dancers who also work here. You can get a private dance for 50k COP ($17), which was done in the side behind curtains. You can pretty much do anything to the boy during the dance. I did two lap dances when I was there. One was with this guy, and I did pretty much everything, so yummy (photos from their Instagram): The other was with this guy. He was more shy at first but opened up. He was more sweet and liked kissing: Carlos went wild of course. He was making friends, asking for WhatsApp numbers from the boys. He hit it off with this one stripper who was close to his age. The stripper stayed with us for most of the night. Carlos then told me that the stripper could go with us to the hotel for 80k COP ($27). I talked to the stripper for a while and he won me over. He did end up going home with us when the club closed at 3 AM, and actually stayed the night and had breakfast with us at the hotel. No issue with getting him in the hotel either. Threesomes are fun with Carlos. By the way, this bar is the closest to a Bangkok Bar that I’ve ever seen outside of Thailand, because of this: And yes, there was a fuck show, sexo en vivo, at Gigolo Erotic House. It took the whole bar to a whole new level for me. Plus of course the great guys. In some ways it is more fun than a Thailand bar, because the boys were not shy, and they were cheaper, and they were probably more fun. PS. Day 3 was fun as well, and we targeted free boys on Grindr. Lots of free boys in Bogota too. PPS. Carlos ended up moving to Bogota, with boyfriend in tow. I'm glad I brought all those sweaters for Carlos.

My friend is not pessimistic. He went to the new sauna and gave me his opinion of the place. Because he does not like the sauna, it makes him a pessimist in your eyes? Very strange! How many Brazilian saunas have you seen open and close? I and my friends, plus many people on this forum, have seen Brazilian saunas come and go - One does not need to be a pessimist to fairly evaluate an establishment.

I give up. Not sure what happened to you MVan. You used to be able to hold a rational conversation. Now, now, @Latbear4blk, behave! looking for more trouble!

"One reported back that the guys there are twinks similar to what is found in Rio at Meio Mundo. This friend said he thinks the place will not last long and that he has no plans to return." Above is the sentence in my previous post reporting a comment made by one of my friends who went to the opening of the new sauna. According to you, I am "missing the point" because I do not agree that my friend is pessimistic and that he made a prediction! Using simple English, my friend merely expressed his opinion about the new sauna (that he did not like it and that he thought it would not last long). My friend is Brazilian and has lived most of his life in Sao Paulo. He has seen many saunas come and go. If he tells me HE THINKS that a place will not last long, I certainly would not attack him and call him a pessimist and a predictor merely because he expressed his learned opinion that is based on experience over many years. Again, my friend did not PREDICT the failure of the sauna. He did not like the sauna. He will not return and he thinks the sauna will not remain is business for long. Opinions such as he expressed are not a PREDICTION. He expressed his OPINION. Considering the strange and unhinged responses to my good-faith offering of information about a new sauna in Brazil, I now regret even sharing the information. "Your friend has done both. We have no issue with him not liking a place. We were just surprised he can predict the future." I find it hilarious that one of the two hecklers about the new sauna admits to never having been to a sauna in Brazil.

Are there cameras in the porn room at 117? I’d definitely like the ability to access those live feeds at any time

I am not questioning about asking for information. Of course not. You are making it more complicated than it is. The question is whether or not it is safe to hook up in Rio, Mexico, or any other "exotic" (for the American-centered mindset) location. My point is that different cities in any country have different crime rates and related dangers. Many "exotic" shit hole cities are considerable safer than many wonderfully civilized and enlightened American cities. Many are not. It does not matter where you are, you always take the same reasonable precautions. If I casually hook up with a guy in Chelsea, I would not have money or any valuables around. If I go to the gas station in Washington DC, I would not leave the keys inside the car, I would not even leave the car unlock. I do not need a report from any services to tell me that it is not safe to do that. By the way, most of the places I have been in South America are considerable safer than most od the places I have been to in the USA. Of course, I am not White.

Ok, I'm now in SP and will check the place... http://www.guiagaysaopaulo.com.br/roteiro/saunas-sex-clubs/rainbow-termas-hotel