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I particularly agree with the above portion of the post. Although the area described in the post is "rough" I enjoy being there on occasion. Most people would consider the area unsafe but I do not. I have never had a problem in that area and I have been there many times over the years. At the same time, I am usually cautious and seem to have a "sixth sense" for danger, but I never sensed or experienced any danger in this area. Every now and again, it is possible to find a "jewel" of a garoto in the area. I have met many. The specific place to likely find good looking and friendly garotos is in an internet shop located near the corner of Rua Aurora and Av Vieira de Carvalho only about one block from the park in centro (Praca de Republica). The entrance fee is a few reais, I don't recall but I think it is about one or two equivalent U.S. dollars. The shop really does rent computers by the hour. However, if you walk around the shop, you will not see any women using computers. Instead, you will find many handsome garotos sitting back at a computer with his trousers pulled down and masturbating. The garotos are hustlers. If you strike up a conversation with a garoto, there are small rooms that can be used for entertaining the garoto (hustler) or you can take the garoto to one of the dozens of hourly hotels in the area. So, if any reader gets tired of Rio or wants a break from Rio, Sao Paulo has Lagoa, many attractions and, of course, this little internet shop wherein, it is possible to find a fun garoto. One more thing, the internet shop is busiest during the day, like early afternoons and early evenings.

Hey no need to apologize we all appreciate your contribution ... (-;

Thank you for your report which agrees with some of my earlier posts reporting about that awful place. You did not mention that the "sauna" is also a hotel. Was that omission intentional? I cannot imagine how anyone could actually sleep in that "hotel" or feel safe to leave their luggage. Apparently, many people do use it as a hotel. Not long ago, there were a few posts on this forum recommending this place. I tried not to be too critical about the place in my warnings to avoid it. Your report mirrors my reaction to the place and I wish I had been more blunt when I described my reaction to my one visit there. I won't be returning to that dump.

I seem to remember the conversation about Chili Pepper revolving mostly around people saying the guys there weren’t as hot as you would find for pay at Lagoa, etc. Nobody described it as being the giant blackout-dark, dirty sauna that it is. Although most saunas have dark rooms, here the entire place, even the locker rooms are dark. The few lights they do have in the place are small red lightbulbs. It felt like a weird sex dungeon. Wild Thermas is apparently also very dark, and someone told me on Sundays it is mandatory to be nude there (no towels allowed). It is hard to know from a list like vamosgay has which saunas are actually good. A lot of saunas are dead, have a not so good crowd, etc. and the only way to know that is from people who have actually been there..

Tonight I went to Chilli Pepper Sauna, and was pretty disappointed. It is in an extremely run down area near the centro, with multitudes of homeless zombie-like people roaming around. Needless to say, you should uber straight to the door if you go there. The sauna is huge, with 3 floors and with an outdoor pool area. Entrance is 65 reals on the weekends. I was expecting a larger version of Rio G Spa, but in reality it was more similar to the rundown Cinelandia theaters. EXTREMELY dark inside. Basically the sauna is one big dark room. It was pretty dirty, condoms and wrappers everywhere, smells of urine. It is clear they don’t have a large cleaning staff. There were several hundred guys, but most were the kind of guys you would expect to find cruising in pitch black darkness. The steam room had a strange smell. Seedy and dark rooms are not my scene at all. I realize they appeal to some, but they are just a total turn off to me. I left after about an hour... Does anyone know if Sao Paulo has a non-garoto sauna more similar to Rio G?

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Of course, easy to say when presented with a career path that offers a promotions system that gives you a relative advantage. You cock sucker. The rest of us have all the right to complain to the Union and suggest promotions based on rimming, and edging, and topping, and bottoming, and others, what a hell the list is long. So shut your Cocksucker Privilege up and keep sucking.

Hot! Thanks for putting this thread back on track!

Absolutely! I would love to post every detail here and have you guys admire my wisdom, my choices, the guys I went with, and even my choice of venue! My report will be so popular that even Badboy will rave about it. However, it does look like Colombia will not be this year as I am booked with several other trips, including Brazil Merida will also have to wait...until I get invited! (Post is written with tongue in cheek. But yes, I would share!)

A newbie who knows nothing about the transit system should take a bus from the Rio airport at one or two o'clock in the morning? You have got to be kidding!

Good for you to cancel on someone who has unreasonable demands in a sauna.

Perhaps he's been buried.

I’m back in Sao Paulo and already having a blast. I was going to go to Lagoa today, but there were lots of GP’s on grindr who will travel to you, which is so convenient. I found a nice plush apartment on airbnb, and I’m finding it is a better experience hooking up in the comfort of my room - it also seems like the guys are in less of a rush than in the sauna. The building allows visitors, and the doorman makes a copy of each visitors i.d. Anyway, early afternoon I had “Paulo” come over. He asked for 150 for an hour with goza. He has a gorgeous face and was great in bed, totally vers which is always a plus, as I love to 69 and flip fuck. He came while riding me - I love when the guy stays hard while you are fucking him, and it’s an extra bonus if they cum while doing so. I thought I was done for the day, but then started talking to a guy from Bahia named Bruto. He also asked for 150 for full programa with goza. So around 10pm I told him to come over - wow, what a cock he has. He was activo only, and amazing in bed. He told me he had yet to cum today, and seemed super horny. We fucked probably at least 30 mins and he wanted to keep going, but I already came. He shot a massive load all over my chest...no wonder he has 3 kids and is only 25. Tomorrow I will probably check out Lagoa, and definitely I’ll be hitting up Chile Pepper hotel at some point this weekend.. I’m posting pics because they were advertising on grindr and probably have other online escort ads

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I am fairly certain that this Internet cafe with hustlers is right next to the small adult theatre Eros Cine Video on Rua Aurora, which is next to the red corner building (restaurant) posted in Riobard’s incorrect photo. The Internet cafe might be named Aurora Net Lan House, but I am not sure and I don’t think anyone knows its name! It has a small red neon “Internet” sign hanging in the front. This is a better, more accurate photo.

It is odd neither site has links to previous threads and no way to link them. Your newer thread actually has much more information than this one now:

For anyone who cares, the new royal baby has cometh.... Princess Kate and Prince William welcomed an 8lb 7oz baby boy. They already have a son and daughter. The brits eat this shit up, but personally, i am more excited about the new upcoming bi-racial Princess Megan (or whatever the hell her title will be) I would just spend All my time in the royal closet trying on the family jewels.....

I remember the conversation a bit differently. The most recent one about Chili Pepper (in which you and I both participated) had users that have Been there at least once — with most giving it unfavorable reviews. Comments regarding not only about the unattractiveness of the customers, but also a general feeling of lack of safety and expressed intent never to return by several trusted regular posters here were made. To me, that says “caveat emptor!” (Buyer Beware!), all day long. Were there any express remarks about the lighting in the place, the off-putting smell, or the labyrinth-like setup? No, but if after all the negative reviews, the only things that may have prevented you from going are those things, then perhaps that should be expressed. A search on Google would’ve rendered this GayCities page with comments such as these (the very things you mention here that concern you): “basically a huge darkroom where it's fairly difficult to figure out who's the owner of the hand that's touching you”, “A little bit dark and dirty.. Seems to be a place without someone to manage properly”. Nighttours reviews in the comments: “Place smells like ass in some areas that could use some hygiene”, “Horrible, no customer service, bartenders unfriendly,I got robbed by the cleaner”. “https://saopaulo.gaycities.com/bathhouses/304482-chilli-pepper-hrs For the record, I don’t care much for saunas without garotos, dark rooms, or off-putting smells — but if there were extraordinarily fine (not just average) men in the joint (which Chili Pepper doesn’t have, by most reports), I’d gladly suffer through! Regarding the safety of the area, the hotel/sauna is on the edge of the Santa Cecília and República neighborhoods — both are particularly dodgy and dicey at night. The Largo do Arouche Avenue (where Chili Pepper is on) that runs through Republica is well-known for lower-end, at-your-own-risk gay hustler and trans hooker cruising, and the Praça de República area can be a mix of street urchins, hustlers, travelers, locals and muggings. It’s not exactly for The Uninitiated! That being said, as I am very initiated into that “fraternity”, I enjoy staying in that area — as it is very convenient, a main Metro station is right there, there are a few lower-end gay bars and establishments in the Republica area as well as some very decent hotels.

I am told that no social formalities were observed, so it is interesting to note this new post over there from Oliver as he sets the dates for the next event: Hi CS - we would welcome you to the events and you may certainly bring a guest, as long as you have informed me beforehand. In addition to needing to know how many people for the restaurants, and for my chef de cuisine, Epigonos, I must know who will be in my home, as I'm sure you understand. This year I was taken aback by having some people I didn't know about show up at my home on Sunday afternoon. Someone had apparently give them an invitation without clearing it with me. There were a couple who attended that I had been asked about in a polite manner prior to the gathering and I was happy to meet them. Back to Lucky writing: Years ago an escort wanted to bring a guest who did not post. We said that the party is a private on for the members of the message board, so the guy registered and posted. It isn't required any more that the guest be a poster. With all the new rules introduced at the other site this week, perhaps the need to follow rules will rub off on the guy who let these three intruders attend. I am told that one of the intruders returned to Oliver's house on Monday morning and knocked on Oliver's bedroom door- he and his date were still in bed!- so he could arrange a date with Oliver's date. The nerve of doing something so intrusive is astounding.

I guess this shows that I didn't do my homework. I didn't need to start a new thread on Colombia, this one would do. Sorry for not doing some research first, guys.

You really should have first done a search on this forum. There was just recently a conversation about Chili Pepper and it was mostly described the way you just did (for better or for worse). So, if that wasn’t your speed, then you wouldn’t have had to waste your time. As for non-garoto saunas, I know there are a few in Sampa, like Wild Thermas. However, as non-payboy saunas aren’t really my thing, I have not been to any in the many trips I have made to São Paulo. One or two of my travel buddies did go to Wild Thermas and they both said they enjoyed it. Did you at least check the Vamosgay site first? It lists saunas and sex parlors in Samoa, and their site tends to stay up-to-date. I believe this list was last updated in April 2017: http://vamosgay.com/latin-america/brazil/sao-paulo/gay-saunas-cinemas-and-sex-clubs-of-sao-paulo-brazil/

"O, that he were an open arse, and thou a poperin pear!"

Having myself built and then sold a couple of businesses, these observations completely accord with mine, with respect to interacting with current clients/participants of the no-longer-owned entity. I have not at all any Grand Theory Why, just that Stepping Completely Away seems always necessary.

I'm all about steroeotypes. LIFE is all about stereotypes... but we are blessed that there is someone like you out there policing and pointing out OUR transgressions. You ARE a person I am sure has never once in his lifetime stereotyped anyone ? God Bless ! I am damn sure those gaythailand guys would be looking for a bao bun at the Cracker Barrel.... And a BIG thank you for enlightening me on the origins of dim sum.... You know how us stupid jew guys are....we just lump everything together as "chinese food" ...at least that;s what my parents called it when they took us out for it every Sunday night !

This Brasileiro fellow, George, I have not met, true name initials LO; ads, variously, Brasil, Spain, France. Beard the recent look. Anyone who knows of him, I'd appreciate a PM or answer here. This thread need not be an anthology unless that is what tout le gang wants ... I am curiously seeking information that should not take up too much time.

You can start your own branch of Ancient Anthropology.

Aha ... Righto. Thanks. I seem to have found searching Hunqz easier directly, and I no longer sign in to my Romeo account. But I have not yet made or saved contacts. Sometimes I just take a screenshot, and keep that and phone number in an album. For Spain, I like the telechapero and morbototal sites.

He’s originally from Rio but he now lives in Porto, Portugal with his Brasiliero boyfriend l, who also turns tricks. I am almost positive that he is currently in Portugal, and they were only back in Brazil for Carnaval festivities. They’ve moved around all over Europe since the move. They both run ads, sometimes together, sometimes separately. They used to run s joint as in Rio until they moved to Portugal a few years ago. BF is muscular like he, a bit shorter, some tats, and hairier. Some may prefer the BF. They are both hot but if I had to choose, I prefer George’s look. According to very good inside intel European sources (with impeccable credibility), they both have gained a bad rep for stealing from clients, and bother risky behavior and practices — so, buyer beware.

Here is the link. http://gorgeousmen24.blogspot.ca/2012/04/brazilian-rent-boys-naked.html?zx=e8913448e099fec7

Like everything else presented on these websites, its being dissected and overthought... Just SUCK the fucking cock !

I did check them, but GayThailand members had already reserved it for their event.

O please !...I am sure you can find a Cracker Barrel to hold your fancy dinner at ?

If I was a garoto I would demand that the session take place at a fancy hotel...in the lobby!

We all have our own passions and priorities, and its nice that we get to share our here with like-minded men. I hate packing, flying and sleeping in strange beds, and the hassels of flying these days has made me give up travel.... I did it extensively years ago, so dont miss it now, but I NEVER travelled for sex. The sex happened organically if at all.... And I also never picked a destination based on it's "available boy" quotient... Of course, it's always a nice bonus (boner) to share some "special" time with someone attractive, but paying for sex was never a big hobby of mine, so if I got it for Free, I considered myself Lucky. These days, Grandma likes to stay close to home and find her boys at sex clubs or just in public... It works for me and my IRA thanks me. I dont feel I am missing "anything"... I dont even own a cell phone (well I do, but it's a pay-as-you-go flip phone) mostly used when i am driving.

My vote would be for the NY skater boys...

I'll believe it when I see it. It wasnt even possible to pull off dinner in NYC.... I'll be happy with a meal on wheels type program..."cocks on wheels" where the boys come to MY house, and I dont have to do anything but shower and Febreeze.... Boys on SKATES welcum...

Leonard Whiting (Romeo) is now 67.