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I wish many clients would keep their clothes on....some things can't be unseen, is the anti-viagra

Hey, @deketel This is not twitter, you can put all your thoughts into a single post, there is no character limit.

Caribbean known as one of the most homophobic regions in the world. Jamaica is no exception. Go at your own risk.

Jamaica ... hmmmm ... clack click clack click ... erm, computah says No. Commercial sex illegal but "tolerated". Sodomy/buggery punishable by life imprisonment. Me not likey that combo. Just be sure to wiki before you sticky.

You stated in another thread that you prefer thinks and regular common looking guys off the street and that you aren’t into muscles, athletes or fitness models. Therefore, 117, Lagoa and sometimes 202 are not the sauna for you, as muscular garotos are the theme at those places. Maybe you should try the other saunas like Manhattan Rio’s and Fragata in São Paulo that tend to offer more of what the old Meio Mundo offered, which was thinks and regular guys?

"IF you want ME, you'll FIND me! "

Prostitution did not become the world's oldest profession by accident. It has survived centuries of efforts to ban it. Just because now there is an active effort to stop it doesn't mean that the effort will succeed. I agree that many obstacles are there, especially Trump's efforts to give lifetime appointments to conservative attorneys not even wet behind the ears. Even a conservative publication like the NY Post has a columnist opposing the effort to ban prostitution, pointing out how the rhetoric has gone way overboard with trafficking charges being wildly exaggerated. https://nypost.com/2018/03/04/the-best-way-to-fight-sex-trafficking-is-to-legalize-prostitution/ So basically, this too will pass. Someone actively involved in hiring escorts will already have a way into accessing these services. People find drugs despite the huge war on drugs. Human needs do not change just because a law does.

A place with super hung black guys....why not check places with large African populations where being gay is tolerated.... That definitely eliminates Jamaica....where is extremely dangerous to be gay and if you arent in the "know" almost suicidal... Since Africa isnt a continent of interest and you are over the two main other destinations where you are looking for hung black guys... Outside of the Dominican Republic, I can't think of any other countries where what you are looking for is going to be common Sidenote-if you are looking for guys to pay for or just guys that will be interested in you, that also opens your search... DC, Chicago, Houston, NYC, The Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago both have hung black guys....the majority are looking the exact same and not for pay If you are looking to pay....at a loss for that one for you

Yes, in several Caribbean nations. But be grateful living in the western world. Also reflected in highly disproportionate STI rates. Just be careful. Maybe consider Dominican Republic to avoid the legal risks.

Some people waste no time RE-inventing themselves.

Wait, @deketel and @Johnatan41 are the same person?

Not having an escort on MY payroll is something I think I can live with ? Especially when you realize there are countries where people go without basic human rights, food water, and YES, even cellphones, the hysteria over "people for hire" seems ridiculous and petty. .

People wearing clothing in a sauna detract from the atmosphere. It's a sexual venue, so strip! (just my opinion tomcal! )

They are dumping ALL issues into one pot. The members here or at Daddy's interested in hiring escorts are NOT the ones interested in trafficking kids (at least I hope not). For me, child sex traffic is a completely diff thing, its a CRIME, whereby by definition alone, I dont believe prostitution is. Allow willing adults to make a living. but to crack down on the child sex thing, perhaps its not as easy a task without shutting down sites where "predators" might be lurking. Just make prostitution LEGAL, and deal with the kiddie thing alone. There are people that are absolutely losing their minds at the thought of not being able to "shop" for escorts on these websites. I just think its sad their lives are so identified with the NEED for it. But that's just me judging, as usual.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the US Supreme Court merely 15 years ago. This was serendipitous because the right people at the right time took up the cause of Lawrence v Texas. He and friends were partying hard, police responded to a domestic-type dust-up, and a prosecutor elected to indict for fucking. The plaintiffs were not at all sophisticated but interest groups decided to carry appeal to the top because it was high time to bring law up to snuff with the depathologizing of homosexuality formalized by the APA decades earlier. The subsequent ruling precedent confers a glimmer hope ... the fact that a governing majority considers an act to be immoral is an insufficient reason to uphold a law prohibiting the practice. This would essentially be the backbone of decriminalizing consensual sex for consideration between a male distributor and a male consumer. Leveraging with politicians will likely be ineffective. Only high level arbiters of justice have the intelligence and will take the time to process through the division of popular theories regarding prostitution. Conflict theory is the model that is widely cherry-picked by conservatives and feminists alike ...the notion that women are sexually objectified in a patriarchal society. This perspective coheres beautifully with current news cycles and exerts prominence because it seems true because it sounds true. But of course falls flat in relation to M2M performative labour. So it would have to be formally declared as lacking relevance for cases of male homosexual consensual commercial sex. Once debunked by authorities with half a brain, potentially that opens up space for other theoretical frameworks to balance out the overweighting of conflict theory. Examples, functionalism and symbolic interactionism ... commercial sex as mutually beneficial alternative, justification for consensual sexual behaviour forms that do not emanate from inequity and exploitation. One party or a conjoint party of two or more males charged with the related offense would need to fight it to the bitter end with substantial infrastructure support. It will be a challenge to mobilize the same degree of support that occurred following the travesty of Texans charged with sodomy not so long ago. And for a substantial number of liberals even, an abhorrence of prostitution is bred in the bone. It is deemed to be psychologically immature and interactionally lazy. They might not strongly support criminalization but won't be eager to help push a boulder up the mountain in favour of M2M impunity. But I believe that an appeals-level action is the most viable concrete hope for a partial (subgroup) or full repeal of commercial vice law. Expert testimonials from male commercial sex workers would need to be provided by men who are viewed as stereotypically male, albeit a strategy pandering to misguided notions of conventional masculinity. One struggle at a time. Keep it tight. Optically manipulated to reduce the risk of diluting the central thesis with other social causes. Freedom of speech advertising is a separate though related question.

Recall that a -- very conservative -- US District Judge (can't recall which District) -- just last month asked, very seriously, in a prostitution case: 'Please tell me why an act that, when legal delivered free, becomes a crime when delivered for pay?'

May have to take a break from hiring for a while in the US and make more visits to Thermas Barcelona. On the other thread, an escort was suggesting increasing their prices to match those of female providers (i.e., 500$ per hr). That is completely insane...for me at least. I am not willing to spend that much. Perhaps others will, but i would rather spend it on a plane ticket and nice hotel in a friendlier city where time with an escort is more reasonable.

Diamond & Silk, those 2 caustic, abrasive and hateful Black cunts that were most likely "paid" mouthpieces for the Trump administration have been silenced by Facebook, who shut down their page for being "harmful to the community"... Those 2 loud ghetto bitches who from day one sucked Trumps cock have been shown the door, with an "irreversable" decision by Facebook to cease and desist..... So like so many other Trump colleagues, the 2 chosen "uncle tom's" will have to pack up their bad weave and polyester frocks and hit the road, trying to find another gig. Farewell D&S, we hardly knew ya....(but never wanted to).... Hope you saved some of that Trump coin to buy yourself enough "boxed wine" to weather the storm ?

I liked the Week for what it was....A club full of hot Brazilians who are there enjoying their friends and dancing I don't tend to go because I dont like crowds or the music Not for me to pick them up like at the saunas But I also still go to Circuit Festival and have a blast taking it for what it is...

Yep, second sentence here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica you may want to read this too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Jamaica

Boys will still be checkin their phones..... for your "eggplant"...

All right, all right, for the sake of everyone's view, I won't be flaunting my lack of abs around next time I am in Rio.

I am not going to hold my breath for a wave to come along that wants to legalize prostitution, especially given the masterful way they've painted it as always being linked to sex trafficking. Sodomy was different as it was being badly abused and basically came down to (in some states) enforcing missionary-only and husband and wife only--everything else was selective prosecution and it was courts that started to act first, right? I'd say courts are the best hope here but those few who have been appointed lately lean conservative (but also libertarian...). At the same time I want it to be big news every time one of the politicians who supported this tack get caught hiring--and they should be asked about the children they must've harmed in the process! That photo reminds me, how long until www.seekingarrangement.com is targeted?

Now that you mention it...

Could be same guy ... what are the chances of a quantity as large as 2 visitors being jaded about 117 within the same time frame?

I am new...i do this next time

I have been to saunas last week. I think it really depends on what you're looking for. To me 117 is always a ton of fun...and i did not notice a decrease in terms of quantity or quality during the last 3 months. Their wednesday is now sucking customers and garotos from 202, which in my opinion is beginning to suffer the "Junior's factor". As someone else said in this forum, wednesdays which used to be great at 202 are kinda getting not so great anymore. Never been to Manhattan, I have been told that the crowd is not of the kind i like (muscular hung boys). The week in my opinion is a "DON'T GO". It's full of attitude independently from how good you look. Lagoa in SP is still great...Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays are always a lot of fun.

It seems like such a long time ago that we first gathered for a Palm Springs Weekend. Then known as the Hooville Weekend, it was named such to honor both Hooboy and to give it a name separate from the website we all used. There was no boytoy.com then. Saturday night started with the dinner, followed by a play or musical at the Palm Canyon Theater. (This year the theater is showing Damn Yankees, in case anyone is interested.) Sunday had no pool event as I didn't have a pool! Each year things grew a bit, and finally Oliver took charge and the event blossomed. It was much like starting a thread. Sure, I started it, but others took it from there. Now the weekend includes other activities as well. First Jason Carter added a Sunday night dinner, then Ace and others added some sexual fun. I think there is now a Thursday party too. No Jason Carter this year, I am told. But there will be new guys and returning guys. I don't attend every year. Since I retired from the other site I know fewer and fewer people who post there. The Hooville Weekend ain't what it used to be, and that's just fine!

But you didn't Jack, you didn't!

Look, I am aware of how bad and strong the Purintan wave is. Perhaps even more than you are. You seem to think that the target are unconventional sexual behaviors. No, my friend, I think it is much worse than that. They are coming for sex, period. They are coming for the expression of any sexual behavior, for the whole adult entertainment market. I would even say that straight porn and prostitution are in a much more vulnerable place than we are, because they are on the spot, we are not. So yes, the situation is quite bad. However, I am still relatively optimistic mostly for two reasons. because the situation is bad but it is not apocalyptic as many panicky reactions are making it. The legal situation is still evolving. It is wise to get ready to make quick changes once we know what exactly the law of the land is, and how exactly it is going to be implemented, but making radical changes now when we do not yet exactly the new context, it is premature in my opinion. Many civil right organizations seem to be optimistic about the chances of stopping this law in the courts. because I think History evolves through cycles. We are in a counter cicle now, it is not only the sex market being attacked, but there is a huge controversy right now around freedom of speech in social media, and how to regulate it. Hold your pants, organize, stay your ground as much as you can, and be ready for the next cycle favoring us.

'Movements' like this one, and countless others throughout history, get most violent and extreme as they are just entering what turn out to be their own death throes. See, for example, how all the polling data indicate the Gen X-through-Millenials voter base will never let another Trump or anything like him happen again in their lifetimes. Yes, the sky HAS fallen today. This happens from time to time in our turbulent, conflicted world. Then we fight back, recover and go forward again.

Hi guys. I went twice to Adan in this long weekend in !afraid, and I met new boys as older ones. I went again with the young Cameroonese I met in January, very cute and well-mannered, Steven. There is also a Twink from Brasil very handsome and hard bodied, Jeff. The facilities are old, but I would say better than Meio Mundo in these late years. One can rent a room for few euros, or use the free cabines. As far as I know, Adan is the only rent boys saunas in Madrid (40 or 50 euros is regular fee). Usually very kind people and clientele.

It is not so simple to reverse the damage. How does one "un-ring a bell" - the damage is done. If you read the language in the new law, it cleverly includes sexual protection of children. However, I was never aware of any children at risk on sites that advertised escorts. Rentboy, rentmen, craigslist, backpage did not advertise children, to my knowledge - those ads were targeted at adults. Despite no children being advertised or exploited, the legislators harped about protecting children as a major reason to close down escort sites. In other words, children have nothing to do with escorts on internet sites. Watch the below linked web address for this hideously ignorant and misguided United States Senator who discusses children being exploited but yet gives no examples of any such thing: In the meantime, websites that include adult prostitutions or discussions promoting prostitutions are being blocked or closed down. If you watch some of the discussions at the link to the ignorant U.S. Senator, you will see repeated comments about the "horrors of human trafficking" - selling woman and children on-line. Outlandish false assertions are repeatedly included in the discussions. Wait until this madness "will pass" - wishful thinking. The sky has fallen - Chicken Little was right, after all.

With the mess the escort sites are in, how can you be optimistic that the madness and bigotry against escorts "will pass" as you said? The madness is on a tide or a strong wave to stamp out sex other than traditional straight sex. The internet is the easiest target for the bigots to control. The "me too" thing was the seed. Now that seed has grown a plant that is out of control. Just think of Al Franken as an example. Not to mention nearly one hundred other political and entertainment industry executives that have been forced to resign. The tide is not in our favor in the immediate or even near future. Stop the world, I want to get off.

Thank you for the empanadas recipe! I was going to attend with Ron, who used to be my favorite guy, but has now retired. For the second time. It is going to be my first PS event, and I already booked hottie Victor Powers before one of those motherfuckers out-pockets me. I cant wait for that hole.

No Collusion, Herr Trump ?

Try explaining this to TomCal......lol

Hi everyone. I'm in Madrid, for a couple of days. A part of some 'regulars' and a new friend-for-pay (a handsome guy from Venezuela, we met through Grindr), I visited yesterday Sauna Thermas around 18h. I have to say that the ambience was great, with many coustumers (some quiete old gentlemen) and working guys (some old, too). But several new faces: I had a nice session with a sweet guy from Camerun (fluent not only in French, but in Spanish and English). It's a pitty I could not remain longer to get acquainted with a extraordinary good-looking young man from Colombia. Some Brazilians and Est European, as well. Also, a nice visit. And for a short fee (5 euros) you may rent a paying cabine. Free ones are at Thermas level, not worse. Current price in Adan is 50 €. A guy from Gay Romeo or similar apps. may cost up to 100. I do not overnights. I hope this is of same help for foreing visitors Bye Epi

Thanks Tarte for your insight and for your past, entertaining posts. You are certainly correct that it is an option that one can approach a guy at any time. I would just say that a shy guy/first-timer does not have to worry about approaching Guys as he will be approached. Jack, if you see the one guy that just does it for you across the room, by all means approach him, introduce yourself, and maybe ask if he wants a drink. I have confessed previously that I fell head over heels for exactly one sauna boy after many visits. His name was Alex, a Guatemalan at Thermas in BCN (not a common national background for saunas). Trust me, I approached him on several visits as he was probably the hottest man I have ever seen. I can still picture sex with him and the enthusiasm he showed in tonguing my hole so gently and so thoroughly before fucking me hard with a scarily thick cock and never forgetting to stop frequently for dep kisses. If you see your own personal “god,” grab him while you can!

I was thinking of writing something extremely similar to this as an answer but then got distracted. Thanks, you saved me time! My only different advice, @JackR is that if you see a guy you like, you can just go and say “hello”, you don’t have to wait for him to come to see you (then follow the script as given perfectly by @tidewater here above). Dont worry about the possibility of confusing clients and working boys, or approaching a guy that isn’t working, they really look very different, that has never happened to me once, neither in Zurich, nor in Brasil.

Hi Jack You specifically mentioned my review so I hope I can help. We all had a very first time so questions are understandable. First, I have no idea which post mentioned “sauna attire” but there really is no such thing in my experience. When you arrive, there is first a front desk where you will pay an entrance fee and you will be given a towel, a locker key and flip-flops. It is good to know your shoe size in European size (for instance, US size 12 is 46 in Europe/Spain). You simply go to your locker, take off all your street clothes and store, and put on the towel and flip-flops. I maybe have seen a few people at different saunas stay in street clothes but I think it appears a little odd (others may disagree). Yes, there is a bar area to get a drink at Adan and every sauna I have visited. They charge it to the number on your locker key and you pay a total as you exit. Engaging the guys really isn’t an issue. They will one by one begin to engage with you and quickly. During my first visits, I found the hardest thing initially was finding a polite way of turning guys down (I usually say something like “I am just hanging out for now”). They will then look for someone else and a new guy is sure to approach you soon. When you find one you are interested in spending time with, they will usually begin my strokzing your leg, kissing you etc. You then try to communicate your preferences (for me, things like top or bottom, will they deep-kiss, will they cum, etc.). Then, you negotiate a price (I try to get them to agree that is a “final” price and not open to further negotiation). I would recommend personally that tips are appropriate for those that go “above and beyond” but I know others here say “never.” The guys will lead you to a cabin (in some saunas, you go to the front desk to retrieve a key...which means that you will have the room added to your sauna bill...but that isn’t the case in the two Spanish “rent boy” saunas). After you have your fun, , you meet the guy at your locker and pay him (typically after a shower). These are the basics I would think for a first-timer but happy to answer any additional questions you may have! Do keep in mind, the saunas in Brazil and Barcelona are certainly more highly recommended but there is no reason to miss Adan if you are in Madrid.

Today I went to Adan, around 18.30. ten or twelve working guys, some from North Africa, some from Brazil and Dominican Republic, even a few from Eastern Europe. Not much customers. I met a nice and handsome, hardbodied Dominican and was great. 40 euros. Facilities need some work, but it's great the place remain open!

I had posed a question on the status of Sauna Adan but just returned from Madrid and can give an update myself. I think some of the negative reviews here were a little exaggerated. The sauna is located a few blocks off one of the largest streets in the city and is an easy and safe walk from anywhere in central Madrid. I found the individuals working at the front desk perfectly polite (nothing like some previous posts). The facilities were fine (definitely not as nice as Thermas in Barcelona with a much smaller bar area but nothing so horrible that it should deter anyone from going). There were usually about 20+ guys working when I went (around 6:00 in the evening). It is definitely not anything like the numbers at 117 on a Tuesday night (I have never seen a selection like that!) but I think most people will find someone to their liking. Everyone with whom I had a programa or with whom I had a conversation (during 3 visits) was from South America. Lots of Colombians but also Brazilians and Venezuelans. Others had reported meeting Eastern Europeans but strangely I never met a person from that region. A few were a bit long in the tooth maybe but I think you get that anywhere. Here was something I found a bit unique about the experiences. It seems 50 euros is a set price and no one really tried to haggle over the rate at all. Many guys at Thermas tend to first give a higher price and I was quoted outrageous “gringo”prices at first in Brazil. Here it is just assumed that everyone pays 50 euros. On the negative side, the programas seemed a bit shorter than perhaps ones I have had at Thermas or in Brazil. Maybe longer sessions could have been up for negotiation but I actually enjoyed the elimination of haggling and worrying if I was paying more than others! Also, the guys all seemed willing to be versatile. I only bottom myself but I have the “curse” of being a bottom who is rather well-endowed. Some of the guys definitely seemed interested in bottoming for me but didn’t happen! In summary, I don’t think Adan is quite as good as the experiences in Barcelona and Brazil but anyhow me in Madrid should check it out as it works fine and there are so few places in the world where you can have this experience.