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I ran an escort agency years back. When there was a complaint from a client, I gave them a free date. That came out of my pocket. It was rare but it happened. The customer is always right and sometimes personalities just don't mesh. That said, I have been in situations where service was not rendered and I have always paid. One in LA through Craig's List was adorable but he was a shitty fuck. I still paid him and gave him a tip. He asked to see me again and I told him he was cute but not good sex. He asked for another chance which I gave him and he was fantastic the next 10 times. When boys know they are going with someone who is known, they don't fuck up as much. When they know they can get a repeat, the smart ones work harder as it makes their life easier. When I was traveling to Rio multiple times a year for a few months at a time, I never had any issue as they all knew I was good and consistent. But, with tourists, they also know they most likely will never see them again and some do stupid things to ensure they get as much as possible for the least amount of time. I have never refused to pay at a sauna or at a massage place in Brazil or Thailand. And, I have had bad "dates" in both. I just consider it the price of admission. As I always tip the mamasan in Thailand before I leave when the boy is bad, I give no tip and tell her he was not good. As a former pimp, I feel that is needed. But, in Brazil, the boys do not work for the sauna and they are independent contractors and what happens at all stages is between the two parties. I bet most sauna owners do not want problems. But, at the same time, as a foreigner, I do not want an issue in a country that is not my own.

I just spoke to the owner of the sauna and he said it would open next Monday, 3/12 He took me on a video tour of the place a hour ago. Most of the work being done is cosmetic, painting and changing things around.. there are two bar areas, one were the shows will be and one which looks very nice where there will be music playing in the background but quiet enough that you can talk and negotiate without having to repeat! as is often the case in Pointe! They are smaller bar areas then are in the other suanas, I would estimate holding 40+ people in one and 25+ in the other. the look of the facility is very nice I think because the straight saunas have to have better 'ambiance' he did say that the rooms seem smaller then they are due too the fact this is in a apartment building so the ceiling don't have the height of the other suanas, I am thinking 6'8" but overall he is very happy with this site over the other 2 he was looking at. I won't see it in person until 4/13 so hoping others will have reports on here.

Perhaps it’s a cultural thing, but calling the police on something like this seems really petty. With many people, the police aren’t always seen to have their best interests at heart, at best, and corrupt and murderous, at worst. Brazilian police also aren’t always the fairest to those that they know they can extort for money — like European or American gay tourists at a brothel.

As much chatter as there is on this and other boards about garotos or escorts ripping off customers, I see just as many, if not more, instances of tourist clients cheating GPs by trying to get free or additional pleasures out of the garotos.

Don’t be daft. He’s referring to physical violence or robbery outside the sauna.

I have seen a fraction of the customer base in Brasil doing what I call cheating. I have observed customers, usually tourists, taking a lot of fluff-room liberties but never actually booking a suite programa. To my way of thinking, getting hundreds of dollars of what would be equivalent to hot lap-dances in a stripper club without doling out a red cent to working guys.

I’ve been in Rio now for 2 weeks, and it is my second trip here. The saunas have been crowded with lots of model-looking guys. I have mostly gone to Club 117 and Point 202, as well as Rio G Spa. I’ve had about 5 programas so far, and I am getting kind of tired of the sauna guy antics. I’m versatile, and the only good experiences so far have been me with me being activo. For reference I am early 30’s and have no problem getting hook ups from grindr, I just go to the saunas for the model good -looking, drop dead gorgeous guys i couldnt get in US. However, my best experiences in Rio so far have been for free off grindr and in Rio G Spa, as well as the nude beach in Grumari. Garota 1 - said he liked to kiss, promised to suck, said he was only top. Agreed on 100 reals. He kissed for about 10 seconds then literally pushed my head to his nipple and told me to suck his nipple. Said he would only suck with condom. Was staring at the porn on the tv the whole time, and couldnt act more disinterested. After he starting topping for a minute he told me to cum. Practically yelling cum, cum etc. Basically trying to rush me. Then he came without asking and demanded 200 reals. After arguing with him in spanish (i only speak spanish and english), he agreed to 120 reals. Garota 2 - Agreed on 120 reals for everything including cum. Only kissed less than a minute, only wanted to fuck doggy style, and again staring at porn on tv the whole time. Regardless how hot he was, it wasnt enjoyable. Garota 3 - Cute pasivo guy in early 20’s. Very affectionate, good kisser, sucked great. Had a great time with him. Garota 4 - One of the sauna gods - probably the best looking guy in 117. Said he was activo. Agreed on 150 but after he demanded 200, claiming the session was longer than normal. Was a good top, but again refused to kiss, refused to touch my dick. Better than the other tops but still not a satisfactory hook up for me. Garota 5 - Versatile, very cute, kind of twinkish body. Good kisser, sucked good, overall great in every way. I am wondering how others handle when sauna guys refuse to do what they promised, or try to raise the price after the fact. It just gets old being shaken down constantly for more money. Maybe I just need more affection than other clients also. I’m not really into sex with someone who is acting disinterested or doesnt like guys at all. It is just a strange feeling for me. Rio G spa has been great on the weekends. My hook ups there have been so much better in every way, with guys who are actually into me. The nude beach at grumari had a lot of hot group action going on as well up in the rocks. I think in future trips to 117 I am going to have to be more selective and get a feel for the guys attitude before going with them. Does anyone else have any tips on how to deal with sauna guys?

The dilemma for me would be the verbal contradiction moaning "fuck me Daddy ... take that ass, Junior!" !

Maybe you just need a little back rub ?

It appears the very recognizable Jacqueline, who worked 117 reception for many years, is on staff. Will be interesting to see the chessboard unfold.

Congrats on finding another place to ho around! Now, your schedule will be full? Wait, no, wasn't it already full? You need to add more hours to your day to keep up with all the Rio guys!

Eight frames, Sixteen balls. Not a strike, narry a single spare in the lot. As our eloquent leader would say, Weak. So weak!

one of my biggest complaints, and there are 2 Americans i know who did this continuously, both who i would term “cheap”! the kind of guys that are always in the bathroom when the restaurant check comes for instance! I finally told one that if he kept spending a hour playing with everyone’s dick but never take anyone to a suite he was going to run into trouble when he left the sauna sooner or later(a sauna guy told me this) wisely he took the advise!

Time flies by quickly and youth dissipates. However, in North American many rentboys continue on working well into the 40s if they look after themselves. A mature escort is sometimes a better choice. Gay society is youth obsessed which is ironic because we are only young for a 1/3 of our life spans. I was never attractive enough to work in the sex trade, but in any business one should always have a viable exit strategy.

Nope, I'm into the short small gymnast type 30's who in the dark look young 20's. Midnight beauties.

Phallic tree, symmetry of deer and space between them rectal canal, Rip patting his thigh ... "come sit here". Dirty old man!

Whatever the merits of this it's totally different in the US where so many times you lose $300 to total fakes. In a sauna you see and feel the guy and can try kisses, etc. to test. And total is $50.....No sympathy.

I think that unmet expectations or skirmishes over payment are part of the price of admission, and these factors vary at an individual level. It is not a haircut. My needs as well as ease of arousal and climax at the end of the hook-up, and my approach to the pay envelope, have left me in the fortunate position of skirting dramatic encounters ... so far. I tend not to outline an elaborate shopping list prior to the encounter; after all, the guys' goal is to get me in the suite, full stop. And for me, not many others I suspect, part of the thrill is the unknown and the small details as the sexcounter unfolds. ThIs is not a superior stance, just the way I tick, but I don't think I would bother with these paycations if I had to spend time and energy checking off a series of boxes, other than the potential date's looks floor me upfront. But I grasp the frustration somewhat. What I find I have to roll with sometimes is paying entrance and drinks and ending up bored because the menu is lacklustre, to me anyways (I am picky and fickle, value the ambiguity of newness in GP selection), and I would have been better off splurging on a higher-end dinner. But one trade-off is the chance of snagging Sr Right Rightnow. So the hundreds of reais spent simply looking are not a total throwaway with bitter ending.

I agree that I would not want to be in that situation, trying to explain to the police that the garoto was terrible at sucking cock, or insisted on a condom after saying he would suck without a condom...or whatever the issue of the "non-performance". That said, a guy trying to claim I owed extra would also piss me off, and I would simply stand my ground and pay only the pre-agreed fee, and not any extra that was demanded.

"Garota" means "girl". You are trying to say "garoto". I am not a spelling nazi, in this case it is not misspelling but a misconception.

I have never heard of someone asking that and that would have put me into hysterics as well. the most I ever heard was one of the "muscle gods" from Sao Paulo came to Rio and asked $300.R and after no takers he quickly dropped to $200.r and eventually to 125. this was a few years ago. there was a guy I started seeing in 2005 and continued for the next 4 years! He was brought to 117 by his friend who I knew and his friend told me it was his first night and I was his first customer! Warning bells should have gone off...the 3 of us went to a room and he did nothing but lay there! but I thought he was incredibly sexy so after I asked him if he wanted to meet up the next night just the two of us and he said yes...and while it was better(although anything would heve been better then the first night) it still wasn't even a average encounter! but it was better then the first time and he was so sexy!!! lol So we did a third and a 4th night, and each time it was better then the previous time! He was worth the effort at the time...now that I am older I am not as patient! but the moral of the story is "sometime patience pays off!"

You indicated in the other post that you are in your 30's. I am afraid this is not the age group of the majority members here. Your target and expectation is different from us.

Sorry to hear some of the guys were obnoxious. I think their sexual "performative labour" is a complex topic. Personally, if they are extremely hot I do not mind detachment because there are usually some GPs to be found who balance it out with more (presumably acted) affection. And I have the good fortune of being able to be aroused by warm interaction OR an edgy swaggering abusive attitude if the guy has the right build and looks. It is usually easy to predict, so however the mood strikes me. In many dozens of programas in the same locations as you reported I have never been aggressively hustled for more cash. If a tip is requested, as I think has occurred very occasionally, I shrug it off and say 'maybe next time'. Or offer a beverage on the credit card tab. Or tell them, if is the case, they will likely get repeat business and to be patient. Another strategy is to play dumb and act confused until they reach the point of diminished return regarding their hustle. At what stage are you getting these demands ... down in the lockers? After the deal is sealed (before the suite) I tell the date I am going to my locker to get my condom/lube kit and to ensure and prepare the cash already agreed on, to be handed over later. It is also not a bad idea to shake on it. They tend to be prideful even if lacking integrity somewhat. Also be aware that if you give in to demands, the news may go viral so that others are poised to test your limits. The staff do not like to be involved, but I have witnessed in the past Jacquie at the desk (she has recently left after many years there) give one of the pushier hotties a stern look while asking the client (as programa key handed over for the tryst) if the fee has been settled.

Axiom, there was a discussion previously on here about not giving out the name/address as I don't anymore because when you want it the person(s)you gave the info to have it reserved, happened to me 5mos. after I gave it out! I have been using the same apt. for 6 years now and it's great and a great location and price. I have used it so frequently that the owner has given me my own set of keys so don't have to wait for someone to check me it and I don't have to leave a deposit, so loyalty does pay!