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I just spoke to the owner of the sauna and he said it would open next Monday, 3/12 He took me on a video tour of the place a hour ago. Most of the work being done is cosmetic, painting and changing things around.. there are two bar areas, one were the shows will be and one which looks very nice where there will be music playing in the background but quiet enough that you can talk and negotiate without having to repeat! as is often the case in Pointe! They are smaller bar areas then are in the other suanas, I would estimate holding 40+ people in one and 25+ in the other. the look of the facility is very nice I think because the straight saunas have to have better 'ambiance' he did say that the rooms seem smaller then they are due too the fact this is in a apartment building so the ceiling don't have the height of the other suanas, I am thinking 6'8" but overall he is very happy with this site over the other 2 he was looking at. I won't see it in person until 4/13 so hoping others will have reports on here.

Why single out garotos who may be a bit “long in the tooth” for their ptofession? There are plenty of advertising escorts here in the States and elsewhere who have been plying their trade for well over a decade and some may say that they have long worn out their welcome. Some of them may be on various message boards... even here! The point is that although many here may prefer young, fresh and freckle-faced, straight-off-the-showroom-floor garotos / escorts / gogo boys / hustlers, there are also clients who may prefer the “seasoned” (in either actual age or look). Maybe this business should just be like “Logan’s Run” and have a carousel that murders everyone at the age of 29 (and I just dated myself with that reference)?

Has anyone been with Mateus at Pointe 202? He always walks around in a t-shirt and underwear with his cock out, stroking it. His dick is extremely thik...gorgeous face...he seems a little aloof though and claims to be a total top. I also met the famous Ricardo and he was very sweet. He told me he wants to come to the US but his visa got denied twice. I remember seeing something about him on these forums, and how he proposes marriage to everybody. Also, has anyone been with Tyson? He is also gorgeous and looks like a model. One of the local regulars at 202 who befriended me told me he charges 200 because he is in such demand. Tyson speaks English with an Australian accent, because apparently he lived for several years in Australia. I will try to get his instagram so I can post a pic

Let me help. If you like big muscle tops and a thread is started on that and you say, wonderful. Great. If a thread is started on skinny bottoms and you have to insert an opinion there just to downgrade someone, then, that is not great. That is being an asshole. In other words, we all have preferences. Your comments to the original poster in this thread were rude. And thus why I called you out for being an asshole. If you didn't like this thread, the polite thing to do was to move on to another one. But, to insert your comments when unneeded and toward someone who is trying to contribute positively to the community, makes me wonder why you felt the need.

I’ve been in Rio now for 2 weeks, and it is my second trip here. The saunas have been crowded with lots of model-looking guys. I have mostly gone to Club 117 and Point 202, as well as Rio G Spa. I’ve had about 5 programas so far, and I am getting kind of tired of the sauna guy antics. I’m versatile, and the only good experiences so far have been me with me being activo. For reference I am early 30’s and have no problem getting hook ups from grindr, I just go to the saunas for the model good -looking, drop dead gorgeous guys i couldnt get in US. However, my best experiences in Rio so far have been for free off grindr and in Rio G Spa, as well as the nude beach in Grumari. Garota 1 - said he liked to kiss, promised to suck, said he was only top. Agreed on 100 reals. He kissed for about 10 seconds then literally pushed my head to his nipple and told me to suck his nipple. Said he would only suck with condom. Was staring at the porn on the tv the whole time, and couldnt act more disinterested. After he starting topping for a minute he told me to cum. Practically yelling cum, cum etc. Basically trying to rush me. Then he came without asking and demanded 200 reals. After arguing with him in spanish (i only speak spanish and english), he agreed to 120 reals. Garota 2 - Agreed on 120 reals for everything including cum. Only kissed less than a minute, only wanted to fuck doggy style, and again staring at porn on tv the whole time. Regardless how hot he was, it wasnt enjoyable. Garota 3 - Cute pasivo guy in early 20’s. Very affectionate, good kisser, sucked great. Had a great time with him. Garota 4 - One of the sauna gods - probably the best looking guy in 117. Said he was activo. Agreed on 150 but after he demanded 200, claiming the session was longer than normal. Was a good top, but again refused to kiss, refused to touch my dick. Better than the other tops but still not a satisfactory hook up for me. Garota 5 - Versatile, very cute, kind of twinkish body. Good kisser, sucked good, overall great in every way. I am wondering how others handle when sauna guys refuse to do what they promised, or try to raise the price after the fact. It just gets old being shaken down constantly for more money. Maybe I just need more affection than other clients also. I’m not really into sex with someone who is acting disinterested or doesnt like guys at all. It is just a strange feeling for me. Rio G spa has been great on the weekends. My hook ups there have been so much better in every way, with guys who are actually into me. The nude beach at grumari had a lot of hot group action going on as well up in the rocks. I think in future trips to 117 I am going to have to be more selective and get a feel for the guys attitude before going with them. Does anyone else have any tips on how to deal with sauna guys?

Hey guys, I'm a newbie here - and this is my first post. I'll be staying in Ipanema the weekend beginning April 27th and I want to sample the rent boy saunas (117 and 202) as well as the Rio G Sauna (which after reading posts here seems to have hot boys just coming off of the gay beach). Thanks to some of the posters who have shared great info and experiences, particularly Tomcal and, very recently, Sanddunes and Numazu. By any chance, will anyone on this forum be in Rio that weekend who would like to hang out and be "cruise" buddies? (BTW, I love the big muscle boys, so those are the boys that I'll primarily be looking for.) Let me know. I'm a fun guy (and also a gym rat, so I'll be looking for a good gym to work out in also). Thanks guys.

I have seen a fraction of the customer base in Brasil doing what I call cheating. I have observed customers, usually tourists, taking a lot of fluff-room liberties but never actually booking a suite programa. To my way of thinking, getting hundreds of dollars of what would be equivalent to hot lap-dances in a stripper club without doling out a red cent to working guys.

A mere 3-5 fakes is equivalent to airfare to Spain or Brazil, worth it to assess the goods up front.

Whatever the merits of this it's totally different in the US where so many times you lose $300 to total fakes. In a sauna you see and feel the guy and can try kisses, etc. to test. And total is $50.....No sympathy.

I refer to "RentMen Years". They're slightly shorter than dog years. Unlike many I have almost zero desire for the youngest ones.....no mental connection at all. OTOH the "29" RentMen years guys can often stain your pillowcases with their hairdye. Seriously, for some time I have enjoyed young looking guys in their 30's most.

I think that unmet expectations or skirmishes over payment are part of the price of admission, and these factors vary at an individual level. It is not a haircut. My needs as well as ease of arousal and climax at the end of the hook-up, and my approach to the pay envelope, have left me in the fortunate position of skirting dramatic encounters ... so far. I tend not to outline an elaborate shopping list prior to the encounter; after all, the guys' goal is to get me in the suite, full stop. And for me, not many others I suspect, part of the thrill is the unknown and the small details as the sexcounter unfolds. ThIs is not a superior stance, just the way I tick, but I don't think I would bother with these paycations if I had to spend time and energy checking off a series of boxes, other than the potential date's looks floor me upfront. But I grasp the frustration somewhat. What I find I have to roll with sometimes is paying entrance and drinks and ending up bored because the menu is lacklustre, to me anyways (I am picky and fickle, value the ambiguity of newness in GP selection), and I would have been better off splurging on a higher-end dinner. But one trade-off is the chance of snagging Sr Right Rightnow. So the hundreds of reais spent simply looking are not a total throwaway with bitter ending.

Reads like a domestic dispute. He was probably fucking her.

https://www.tesla.com/semi https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/ HAWTHORNE, Calif. — Elon Musk wears many masks. Internet entrepreneur. Electric car salesman. Rocket man. Add trucker to the list. Musk rolled silently into a long-anticipated and oft-delayed event here Thursday at the controls of Tesla Semi. The first electric big rig truck from a company known for its luxury electric long-range cars is a shot across yet another industry bow for the brash Tesla and SpaceX CEO who has vowed to remake automobiles, solar energy and space exploration. The new vehicle will start production in 2019, and no price tag was mentioned. Looking like something Batman might have designed, the Tesla Semi prototype — revealed at a glitzy Hollywood-style event at a private aviation center adjacent to SpaceX headquarters in this Los Angeles suburb — is heavy on aerodynamic fairings that are said to, along with its electric engine, drive the cost-per-mile below that of today’s gas-powered machines, Tesla officials said while giving USA TODAY a walk-around before the event unfolded. "Even with 80,000 pounds it'll get to 60 mph in 20 seconds," Musk said, hopping out of a truck. "What about up a hill?" More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile. Musk said that if Tesla Semis were to drive in a convoy, in which trucks can draft off each other while letting computers and sensors keep them just feet apart at highway speeds, it could compete on cost with trains. "This beats rail," said Musk, throwing up an 85 cents per mile cost. But Musk emphasized its performance. Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a standard truck, he said. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds. Investors were equally enthused. Shares (TSLA) rose 2% after trucking company J.B. Hunt Transport Services said Friday it had already placed an order for "multiple" Tesla Semis. Musk hinted at a supercharger-less trip — no recharges needed. "You can go 250 miles, deliver your load and come back," he said. That said, charging to 80% would take only 30 minutes, "or about the time of the average driver break" on a new solar-powered Megacharger network. More stats spilled out from there, including a 0.36 drag coefficient, a bit less than a $3 million Bugatti Chiron, thanks to a flat bottom. Musk also said the company was guaranteeing the Tesla Semi for 1 million miles. "It's like driving a Model S or Model X, but it's just big," Musk said, rererring to the brand's two current models, an electric luxury sedan and SUV. At that point, someone in the crowd yelled: "Elon for president!" Musk laughed. Two trucks sat in a large hanger-like facility, alongside two examples of conventional diesel trucks. The Tesla Semis were painted menacing black and glimmering silver. One featured spidery side view mirrors while the other did not, suggesting that Tesla engineers are playing with using cameras and screens in place of traditional mirrors. While the exterior’s smooth surfaces are eye-catching, the Tesla Semi’s interior was designed to make truck drivers swoon. In the place of a typical cramped two passenger compartment is an airy space you can walk around. By far the biggest revolution is in the driver’s seat placement. It is dead center and far forward thanks to the absence of an engine, allowing greater road visibility. A jump seat is positioned to the right and rear of the driver. From this central, Formula One-style driving position, it's easy to monitor two screens, one left, one right, offering details of the truck’s running condition and the trucker’s shipment details. The Tesla Semi has the upcoming Model 3 to thank for its existence. Beyond borrowing cockpit screens, flush door handles and the car’s Autopilot system, the Semi’s powertrain consists of four Model 3 drive axles, one powering each of the four rear wheels (the front wheels are unpowered). The battery pack for the Tesla Semi, which is located low and behind the driver, remains a mystery in terms of its construction and precise range. But as with many Musk events, the unveiling was full of flash and scant on details, including how much the sleek big rig would cost, when it would go on sale and whether Tesla had any buyers. While it might seem odd for a man aiming for Mars to tackle a truck, the appeal for Musk is the size of the market. Trucking is a $700 billion a year industry in U.S., and offering a product that could offer huge fuel cost savings has the potential to upset the diesel-powered status quo. More: Tesla troubles: 5 important takeaways from earnings report More: Federal agencies used port trucking companies with labor violations More: Tesla unveils its electric big rig truck tonight There are roughly 4 million big rig trucks on the road today hauling a vast majority of U.S. goods around the country, according to the Diesel Technology Forum. Almost all of them run on diesel engines. In 2017, some 260,000 new big rig trucks will be on the road, according to ACT Research. Reacting to Musk’s challenge, Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum, issued a statement saying that “diesel is the most energy efficient internal combustion engine. … Aspirations and predictions for new fuels and technologies are high, but must be evaluated in the context of reality.” The reality for the Tesla Semi is that while a comfortable cab and a lower cost per mile drivetrain would be welcome by most truckers and transportation companies, implementing such an overhaul faces hurdles. Ian Wright, one of the founders of Tesla who now runs electric bus and garbage truck company Wrightspeed, welcomes the spotlight Musk has put on electrifying big vehicles, but has questions. “By addressing some of the worst polluters you can make a much bigger (environmental) impact than changing up cars,” he says. “But no one buys trucks as a fashion statement. It will be all about how much the Tesla Semi and its batteries cost, how much their weigh, and how much that weight would cut into a trucker’s payload and therefore what he stands to make.” Some analysts predict Musk may be onto something, with a caveat around charging. Musk has vowed to dot the U.S. with supercharging stations, thereby eliminating range-anxiety issues for motorists and now truck drivers. The business case for e-trucks are viable in some scenarios,” says Brian Irwin, managing director automotive and industrials at Accenture. “While the overall market might not be ready yet, this could change, and quickly, if a better charging infrastructure solves those issues and stricture regulation increases the pressure on diesel trucks.” Other analysts note that Tesla already has competition in the space, particularly from Daimler, Volkswagen and even diesel truck stalwart Cummins. A Swedish company, Einride, has taken the EV truck to another level, eliminating the driver altogether in its prototype. Michael Harley, group managing editor for Autotrader and Kelley Blue Book, says that Tesla would do well to focus “on short-haul, or last-mile, delivery which would benefit (the trucks with) regenerative breaking (which recharge batteries), low noise and emission-free EV motoring.” Tesla itself has to prove itself with the upcoming rollout of the Model 3 sedan, an entry-level vehicle that Musk has said remains in “production hell” as some 400,000 deposit holders wait for their cars to arrive sometime in 2018 or 2019. Musk’s company also has been hit with a range of lawsuits and complaints recently from workers who charge that Tesla’s Fremont, Calif., factories have been the site of racist and sexist behavior and anti-union crackdowns. Tesla has denied the charges, and said a recent space of layoffs were due to poor performance. Those issues aren't likely to be resolved soon or disappear. But Thursday the spotlight was on Musk as master showman pushing yet another industry's buttons with his insatiable and visionary drive.

he just called me from bangkok on his way to his place! have a great time! and don’t invite him to your apartment! LOL

Why are you confused?

While I have no direct knowledge I have been told by good sources that Junior does programmas when he goes to NYC, which he goes to about 6 times a year! the first 5 or 6 years I went to Rio, certain nights junior would be in a towel waiting for a special client I believe from Europe and would do a program with him at Pointe!

Does Junior at Point 202 do programas anymore or is he strictly a businessman now? I find him sexy...it is slightly amusing that he has pictures of himself shirtless all over the walls. Also, FYI, Point 202 is having a promotion where entrance on Thursdays is 30 reals. Brazilian drag is quite interesting, there is one drag queen who is extremely unattractive/obnoxious. I am guessing she must be funny in Portuguse? She does a thing where she pretends to smell the strippers dicks and then makes comments on them. All the locals laugh at her jokes. Does the guy in the bottom center picture still work at Point? He is beautiful, but I havn’t seen him

On the weekends they seem to have more masseuses working at Rio G. I saw one muscular masseuse working and the other masseuse was a handsome older guy, also muscular. I didnt get a massage there, but I assume they have happy endings?

"Garota" means "girl". You are trying to say "garoto". I am not a spelling nazi, in this case it is not misspelling but a misconception.

My experiences are also closer to Walker and Sanddunes. But we have apples, oranges, and various varietals of each. I do not pick a guy based on kissing openness, though ... when a macho top does kiss it is a treat, though infrequent. I usually wear a condom for receptive oral because I do not find it less pleasurable and I find I am more likely to get blown and for longer duration after putting it on, a kind of nonverbal signal for elevating the action. (My stated position to them upfront is versatile bttm, open to topping). Putting the condom on sometimes prompts the macho top to question our agreement about who bangs who. I will then say I love to get blown but it is optional and a good way to pass the time ... I usually book 60-75 minutes. The expectation has been downgraded to getting their sensual pouty mouth working over my dick, not topping them. Sometimes it works. It is exciting to play this game a little as I can roll with the outcome. Sometimes when wearing a condom I can negotiate some hot action (erm, hot for me) sliding it between their muscled bubble-ass cheeks without penetration. My nipples are like 2 extra penises, extremely sensitive. The one consistent thing is that every single GP has been able to work me up into a frenzy by taking command of them. It is an easy task for them and I am very fortunate that way. Most who will not deep kiss will still work nips over with mouth and tongue. If he watches the screen to maintain erection for suck'n'fuck, no problem. If he views the shitty porn to maintain erection for optics I tell him to stop the focus on his dick until it needs to be functionally tumescent. Haha ... sounds like a lot of contingencies and adaptation but I have made it work for me. Describing our particular nuances can be a challenge.

I am but as I get older I realize its a lot of work being a top and maybe its' more relaxing and less strenuous to be a bttm...but I have tried and it lasted maybe one minute and I did not like it!! it amazes me that guys can get hard and cum while getting fucked!!

I have never heard of someone asking that and that would have put me into hysterics as well. the most I ever heard was one of the "muscle gods" from Sao Paulo came to Rio and asked $300.R and after no takers he quickly dropped to $200.r and eventually to 125. this was a few years ago. there was a guy I started seeing in 2005 and continued for the next 4 years! He was brought to 117 by his friend who I knew and his friend told me it was his first night and I was his first customer! Warning bells should have gone off...the 3 of us went to a room and he did nothing but lay there! but I thought he was incredibly sexy so after I asked him if he wanted to meet up the next night just the two of us and he said yes...and while it was better(although anything would heve been better then the first night) it still wasn't even a average encounter! but it was better then the first time and he was so sexy!!! lol So we did a third and a 4th night, and each time it was better then the previous time! He was worth the effort at the time...now that I am older I am not as patient! but the moral of the story is "sometime patience pays off!"

Agree with Tom, they are taking the piss, they must have spotted that you don’t get a clear agreement beforehand, and then you don’t dare to say no. You need to agree everything that is important to you before you get the keys to the cabin. And get them to kiss you before you agree anything, this way you know if they are confortable kissing or not. They really dont don’t mind kissing in public, so that should not be an issue. If their kissing is not passionate, don’t hire them and move on.

I forgot to mention my first night in Club 117 the first garota I talked to asked me for 750 reals. I think I actually started laughing...

I also have some experience similar to Mr. Sanddunes: 1. GP only does doggie styles (so he won't have to see your front and remind him of the fact that you are the wrong gender for him), 2. GP continuously watch straight porn TV to get himself aroused. I would say at least half of my encounters at 117 fit into this category.

Sandunes, thanks for the report! it really surprised me when you said several wouldn’t kiss well or wouldn’t suck w/o a condom!! one thing i tell everyone is Brazilians are the best kissers in the world! one thing i mentioned previously is if i am going to go with a new sauna guy i always say “are you good at kissing?”! and invariably on the spot they will prove they are. they also shows they are not in the least embarrassed to make out with you in front of everyone! As far as not sucking W/O a condom on, i net the last time any garoto asked me to put a condom on to get sucked was at least 10 years ago and then it only happened 2 or 3 times! i think you just ran into some bad luck in your selections! Due to the economy and so many out of work or making less the guys seem more willing to do what ever it takes to get and hold on to customers...ie bottom when they normally are tops for example. i have never had a problem with them arguing about price, then again i realize i am known by a lot of the guys as well they know i am friends with the owners, but remember Sauna guys gossip more then old ladies, there is no doubt your guys said “hey that guy i went with i didn’t have to do much and i got him to pay me more then i agreed to initially!”

I agree that you can kind of get a sense of their attitude if you talk to them a little more beforehand. I think the guys I had problems with were so hot that I overlooked my intuitions about them. They were macho straight types. One asked for more cash within seconds after cumming. One I handed the cash to rolled up in the locker room - he then counted it out and immediately asked for more. For what it’s worth, that happened only at 117. Nobody at Point 202 asked for more after. Getting to Grumari was pretty easy. I took the metro to Jardin Oceanico. From there I took an uber to Praia Abrico for about 35 reals. The gay part of the beach is the north side. If you climb up the rocks, you go down a narrow path until you come out onto a clearing. There were probably 15 guys hard there and waiting to go with someone. Others were jacking off in groups. I didn’t really take any valuables to the beach except my phone. I keep my bag with me at all times. Overall, it felt a lot safer than Copacabana because it was mostly just locals there. There weren’t people going up and down selling stuff like the tourist beaches.

Sorry to hear some of the guys were obnoxious. I think their sexual "performative labour" is a complex topic. Personally, if they are extremely hot I do not mind detachment because there are usually some GPs to be found who balance it out with more (presumably acted) affection. And I have the good fortune of being able to be aroused by warm interaction OR an edgy swaggering abusive attitude if the guy has the right build and looks. It is usually easy to predict, so however the mood strikes me. In many dozens of programas in the same locations as you reported I have never been aggressively hustled for more cash. If a tip is requested, as I think has occurred very occasionally, I shrug it off and say 'maybe next time'. Or offer a beverage on the credit card tab. Or tell them, if is the case, they will likely get repeat business and to be patient. Another strategy is to play dumb and act confused until they reach the point of diminished return regarding their hustle. At what stage are you getting these demands ... down in the lockers? After the deal is sealed (before the suite) I tell the date I am going to my locker to get my condom/lube kit and to ensure and prepare the cash already agreed on, to be handed over later. It is also not a bad idea to shake on it. They tend to be prideful even if lacking integrity somewhat. Also be aware that if you give in to demands, the news may go viral so that others are poised to test your limits. The staff do not like to be involved, but I have witnessed in the past Jacquie at the desk (she has recently left after many years there) give one of the pushier hotties a stern look while asking the client (as programa key handed over for the tryst) if the fee has been settled.

Yep, they certainly exist, many of them are active on the M4M forum.

I have a friend (ex) in NYC and also Brazilian who is in his 50's and still escorting. It is all he has done for 25 years since I introduced him to The Gaiety. He still get clients and he has worked no other job in all these years. When I was at Stella's Bar in the 90's there was an older Puerto Rico dude in his 60's and still getting clients. He was old but apparently a big dick and a good fucker. Luckily, there is someone out there for these guys.

You can ask whatever you want! Although it might be considered rude. I wouldn't. I would either be interested based on their appearance, or not. If a guy looks worn out and haggard, but then proves he really is only 23, would that change your mind? I can't imagine a situation where the *actual* age would take preference over the apparent age/physical condition of the guy. *not being negative here. Honestly curious if youth is such a fetish for some people that they would fuck a guy based on his age rather than his attractiveness.

I don't think there is any way to have literal strict interpretation of the Constitution + amendments. Although the closer we can come the better. The framers of same would not recognize society today (I almost don't either). Congress critters have been swayed over and over by special interest groups so why not the firearms lobby? Are you sure graft and corruption are not integral to the Constitution? Best regards, RA1

The below article discusses an incident that happened with American Airlines and a gate agent in Sao Paulo. Reading through the article, I wonder if the article is accurate or if either the pilot or gate agent is wacko. I am glad this never happened on any of my many trips to Brazil. The passengers had to wait until the next day to catch their flight back to the U.S. Here is the story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5479145/American-Airlines-pilot-arrested-Brazil-assaulting-worker.html

It's all for the asshole brothers...A couple of real douchebags. I'd be willing to bet that their base camp was stock full of lattes, hot towels, massages, bourbon, cigars, and tents with AC....