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I’ve been in Rio now for 2 weeks, and it is my second trip here. The saunas have been crowded with lots of model-looking guys. I have mostly gone to Club 117 and Point 202, as well as Rio G Spa. I’ve had about 5 programas so far, and I am getting kind of tired of the sauna guy antics. I’m versatile, and the only good experiences so far have been me with me being activo. For reference I am early 30’s and have no problem getting hook ups from grindr, I just go to the saunas for the model good -looking, drop dead gorgeous guys i couldnt get in US. However, my best experiences in Rio so far have been for free off grindr and in Rio G Spa, as well as the nude beach in Grumari. Garota 1 - said he liked to kiss, promised to suck, said he was only top. Agreed on 100 reals. He kissed for about 10 seconds then literally pushed my head to his nipple and told me to suck his nipple. Said he would only suck with condom. Was staring at the porn on the tv the whole time, and couldnt act more disinterested. After he starting topping for a minute he told me to cum. Practically yelling cum, cum etc. Basically trying to rush me. Then he came without asking and demanded 200 reals. After arguing with him in spanish (i only speak spanish and english), he agreed to 120 reals. Garota 2 - Agreed on 120 reals for everything including cum. Only kissed less than a minute, only wanted to fuck doggy style, and again staring at porn on tv the whole time. Regardless how hot he was, it wasnt enjoyable. Garota 3 - Cute pasivo guy in early 20’s. Very affectionate, good kisser, sucked great. Had a great time with him. Garota 4 - One of the sauna gods - probably the best looking guy in 117. Said he was activo. Agreed on 150 but after he demanded 200, claiming the session was longer than normal. Was a good top, but again refused to kiss, refused to touch my dick. Better than the other tops but still not a satisfactory hook up for me. Garota 5 - Versatile, very cute, kind of twinkish body. Good kisser, sucked good, overall great in every way. I am wondering how others handle when sauna guys refuse to do what they promised, or try to raise the price after the fact. It just gets old being shaken down constantly for more money. Maybe I just need more affection than other clients also. I’m not really into sex with someone who is acting disinterested or doesnt like guys at all. It is just a strange feeling for me. Rio G spa has been great on the weekends. My hook ups there have been so much better in every way, with guys who are actually into me. The nude beach at grumari had a lot of hot group action going on as well up in the rocks. I think in future trips to 117 I am going to have to be more selective and get a feel for the guys attitude before going with them. Does anyone else have any tips on how to deal with sauna guys?

I got a WhatsApp message yesterday from a guy I had not seen since 2003! I assume me got my FB WhatsApp from one of the current guys I know because when I met him at Estacau sauna in 2002 no one had cell phones much less smart phones and I just had my 35mm camera! I saw him 2 or 3 times over the next year when I would run into him at the sauna. never saw him again after 2003. anyhow, I went back over my photos to find a original one from then and then one from what he looks like now!(the third one is from a now defunct xrated site) I told him I appreciated him contacting me but I am unavailable! I do feel sorry for the guys who were sauna boys in their early/mid 20s and now are in their mid 30's and never made the transistion to "regular" work or lost their jobs in the difficult economic times that Brazil is in....

I have a friend (ex) in NYC and also Brazilian who is in his 50's and still escorting. It is all he has done for 25 years since I introduced him to The Gaiety. He still get clients and he has worked no other job in all these years. When I was at Stella's Bar in the 90's there was an older Puerto Rico dude in his 60's and still getting clients. He was old but apparently a big dick and a good fucker. Luckily, there is someone out there for these guys.

You can ask whatever you want! Although it might be considered rude. I wouldn't. I would either be interested based on their appearance, or not. If a guy looks worn out and haggard, but then proves he really is only 23, would that change your mind? I can't imagine a situation where the *actual* age would take preference over the apparent age/physical condition of the guy. *not being negative here. Honestly curious if youth is such a fetish for some people that they would fuck a guy based on his age rather than his attractiveness.

Let me help. If you like big muscle tops and a thread is started on that and you say, wonderful. Great. If a thread is started on skinny bottoms and you have to insert an opinion there just to downgrade someone, then, that is not great. That is being an asshole. In other words, we all have preferences. Your comments to the original poster in this thread were rude. And thus why I called you out for being an asshole. If you didn't like this thread, the polite thing to do was to move on to another one. But, to insert your comments when unneeded and toward someone who is trying to contribute positively to the community, makes me wonder why you felt the need.

Then my question is: Do you have the right to question anyone else's choices about intimacy? If a practice is, by all current medical accounts, safe now?

I forgot to mention my first night in Club 117 the first garota I talked to asked me for 750 reals. I think I actually started laughing...

Yep, they certainly exist, many of them are active on the M4M forum.

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This is news to me!

I am entirely vers (more a bottom, surprise surprise ), and both ways it feels infinitely closer and more intimate bare. (That is not, to forestall pseudopsychological counter-arguments, any kind of pathological, self-loathing, etc etc etc thinking dating from the AIDS era, but a purely emotional and physiological observation of fact in the act.)

Weather was amazing as always...Beach everyday....Ipanema for the sun....Copa for a massage... All of the tourists have pretty much left so the beaches were not full like the past few months Thursday night 117 had a nice crowd...definitely less populated than when I was there at the end of December but still a good mix Didnt find anybody to connect with BUT...thanks to Grindr...I hooked up with a short, muscular Carioca at the apartment in Copa.... *New studio...very modern...nice size...comfortable for me and the snacks that came over **The building where the studio I stayed in must do rentals as well as have long term residents because I saw a mix of tourists and older people who clearly lived in the building...as I was leaving one night, I also saw a sauna boy leaving as well...Headed to the sauna After connecting with the hot muscle guys...I had a regular I met in the saunas come by....he has not moved to Rio from Bahia and lived close by...amazing session with him...performed much better in the apartment versus in the sauna 2 in one night Friday...Sauna was definitely festive and more crowded...way less tourists and more of the regular who go to 117...Still no action there but it was amazing energy compared to Thursday and had a great time....walked over to Lapa afterwards and got DRUNK and had a chicken on a stick... I had the muscle guy from Thursday come back over...Another HOT ass session...Hoping he and I can become "friends" so we can have another hot session when Im in Rio in October (unless I go back before then) Saturday the club was SUPER packed and busy....Long lines for cabins...patio and bar area all packed....guys in the hallway....great selection....NO SEX....I KNOW...I KNOW Sunday was decent...got in around 5 since I had to leave at 7 to head to the airport Hot guys....the regular that came to the apartment was there...since I wanted something new and one last bang before I left, I tried and was VERY happy with a dark skinned Bahia guy....massive dick (nice to look at) and amazing muscle ass....at first he said he was Ativo but of course that changed....there was not a huge crowd....a lot of regulars but it was still very early... Dude was amazing! Great session...totally worth the money and I left Rio with a HUGE smile and nothing else left in me...Bigger smile -Didn't check out Pointe or the new sauna -Grindr is still the SHIT...TONS of hot guys in Rio... -Prices were cheaper for the studio, food and drinks than in December -Didnt go to the WEEK...too old and was too tired for that place but I heard it was amazing on Saturday -As always, LOTS of eye candy on the metro, Ipanema (the gay beach was lacking) and Copa

At about my visit's tenth week recently my finicky sensitive tight bttm finally got progressively accustomed to more than a few minutes duration, and I even bust my nut a few times, which I think is key to wanting and embracing it more. Mind you, just managing to sit on Cleito's was a clear breakthrough.

Has anyone been with Mateus at Pointe 202? He always walks around in a t-shirt and underwear with his cock out, stroking it. His dick is extremely thik...gorgeous face...he seems a little aloof though and claims to be a total top. I also met the famous Ricardo and he was very sweet. He told me he wants to come to the US but his visa got denied twice. I remember seeing something about him on these forums, and how he proposes marriage to everybody. Also, has anyone been with Tyson? He is also gorgeous and looks like a model. One of the local regulars at 202 who befriended me told me he charges 200 because he is in such demand. Tyson speaks English with an Australian accent, because apparently he lived for several years in Australia. I will try to get his instagram so I can post a pic

I have never heard of someone asking that and that would have put me into hysterics as well. the most I ever heard was one of the "muscle gods" from Sao Paulo came to Rio and asked $300.R and after no takers he quickly dropped to $200.r and eventually to 125. this was a few years ago. there was a guy I started seeing in 2005 and continued for the next 4 years! He was brought to 117 by his friend who I knew and his friend told me it was his first night and I was his first customer! Warning bells should have gone off...the 3 of us went to a room and he did nothing but lay there! but I thought he was incredibly sexy so after I asked him if he wanted to meet up the next night just the two of us and he said yes...and while it was better(although anything would heve been better then the first night) it still wasn't even a average encounter! but it was better then the first time and he was so sexy!!! lol So we did a third and a 4th night, and each time it was better then the previous time! He was worth the effort at the time...now that I am older I am not as patient! but the moral of the story is "sometime patience pays off!"

Agree with Tom, they are taking the piss, they must have spotted that you don’t get a clear agreement beforehand, and then you don’t dare to say no. You need to agree everything that is important to you before you get the keys to the cabin. And get them to kiss you before you agree anything, this way you know if they are confortable kissing or not. They really dont don’t mind kissing in public, so that should not be an issue. If their kissing is not passionate, don’t hire them and move on.

tomcal is a top.

I also have some experience similar to Mr. Sanddunes: 1. GP only does doggie styles (so he won't have to see your front and remind him of the fact that you are the wrong gender for him), 2. GP continuously watch straight porn TV to get himself aroused. I would say at least half of my encounters at 117 fit into this category.

Sandunes, thanks for the report! it really surprised me when you said several wouldn’t kiss well or wouldn’t suck w/o a condom!! one thing i tell everyone is Brazilians are the best kissers in the world! one thing i mentioned previously is if i am going to go with a new sauna guy i always say “are you good at kissing?”! and invariably on the spot they will prove they are. they also shows they are not in the least embarrassed to make out with you in front of everyone! As far as not sucking W/O a condom on, i net the last time any garoto asked me to put a condom on to get sucked was at least 10 years ago and then it only happened 2 or 3 times! i think you just ran into some bad luck in your selections! Due to the economy and so many out of work or making less the guys seem more willing to do what ever it takes to get and hold on to customers...ie bottom when they normally are tops for example. i have never had a problem with them arguing about price, then again i realize i am known by a lot of the guys as well they know i am friends with the owners, but remember Sauna guys gossip more then old ladies, there is no doubt your guys said “hey that guy i went with i didn’t have to do much and i got him to pay me more then i agreed to initially!”

You indicated in the other post that you are in your 30's. I am afraid this is not the age group of the majority members here. Your target and expectation is different from us.

I agree that you can kind of get a sense of their attitude if you talk to them a little more beforehand. I think the guys I had problems with were so hot that I overlooked my intuitions about them. They were macho straight types. One asked for more cash within seconds after cumming. One I handed the cash to rolled up in the locker room - he then counted it out and immediately asked for more. For what it’s worth, that happened only at 117. Nobody at Point 202 asked for more after. Getting to Grumari was pretty easy. I took the metro to Jardin Oceanico. From there I took an uber to Praia Abrico for about 35 reals. The gay part of the beach is the north side. If you climb up the rocks, you go down a narrow path until you come out onto a clearing. There were probably 15 guys hard there and waiting to go with someone. Others were jacking off in groups. I didn’t really take any valuables to the beach except my phone. I keep my bag with me at all times. Overall, it felt a lot safer than Copacabana because it was mostly just locals there. There weren’t people going up and down selling stuff like the tourist beaches.

I think I saw him this past weekend...there was an older short black guy...amazing body but he was obviously older than the age he told me.... Beautiful body but I tend to see guys similar to him all the time here in Atlanta I try to only pay for boys in Rio that I wouldnt be able to find easily here

All the scenes are just brilliantly written, BUT My favorite scene...

I concur...

'If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.' Einstein

Actually not. He has enough of them to lose any number and still remain afloat. As you yourself point out here. As noted above, he is anything but stupid. And one might add he possesses a great joie de vivre that one sadly has never, for even one brief moment, observed you to exhibit.

Ask the bottom. I am a top and the difference between wrapping or not is huge. My partners say that they feel the difference in their asses and like it better bare. It is really up to my partner. Many of them ask me to wrap up, I guess they share your point of view.

Thx will check out!

You don't trust THEM, you take the drug yourself.

I found the apartment on booking.com but they are also on AirBnB... I dont use Jackd

It's what motivates Grandma EVERY day, and keeps me going (even with my SCABBY knees) ..... Yasssss Huney !

Like I said my writing is not for everyone. I'm sure a lot of people here didn't like or didn't read my small report (but chose not to post anything negative). I've told @TotallyOz and @paulsf three weeks ago (in a bar in Bangkok), about my reservations in posting here. Anyway, I'm going to try to continue to write about my travels on here because there are people here who like it or think it is useful. I urge those who don't post their reports because they fear other posters belittling them, to post anyway, and fuck the doubters - like @torogen said here in another thread: I am heading to Costa Rica soon and would very much love to see this report, but of course @torogen you had your reasons, and I respect those reasons. It is easier to just lurk and not expose yourself to potential ridicule. Since I've been going, 15 times in 4 years. Jupiter and Boy66 bar has vast majority hunks, Tawan has body builders who are all tops, BBB in Pattaya has half hunks. P.S. I'll be in Cartagena in a few days, and Bogota next month, and Porto Alegre and Sao Paulo in May, so if there are posters here who will be in those cities, at those months, PM me!

Beautiful post. Thank you.

Yes like Brazil there is no such thing as title insurance in Mexico! The real estate salesman told me that is why there are a fair number of vacant houses in this city because in mexico if a couple have 5 kids and each of those kids have... lets say 4 kids each, all 20+ heirs have to sign off for it to have a clear title! He told me of one very diserable property in town which has 56 heirs and they can't find 8 of them so the house has sat vacant for 4 years! I bought my house from a American couple who totally rehabed it 6 years ago so the title was clean!