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I hope people don't feel that have to pick or choose. The intent of this site was always and is to be open and free spirited and welcoming of others. Daddy's site has not been around longer than this site BTW. Both came about the same time when Hoo's family decided to close the other site down and all reviews that were under Hoo's reign were legally supposed to be removed from the site. Sites change and grow or have ups or downs. But, I assure you that this site is totally free for all, does not play favorites and will be around long after all the others close. Why? I love hookers and I love learning about them. I want to do what I can to advocate for them to make money. My time running an escort service in NYC is way gone but I have never wavered in my love for the guys that work.

There is a feature on this site for private clubs. I organized one for posting of info and photos for Brazil and Mexico! I did this because photos posted on here some time ago was shown to sauna guys so it was apparent certain members on here couldn’t be trusted! People have applied to be a member but unless you are “known” poster I will not approve you! Nothing personal but after the last incident I am not taking any chances. The reason I am posting this is there has been two members who wanted in and when I checked they had ZERO posts on here!

@unicorn, I am not into beating Daddy, but I do take your first point. Let's accept the only advantage of the other site is participation, even when I disagree. My new question would then be, why do people participate so actively under Daddy's soulless tyranny and do not open their sexy mouths under Oz's democratic paradise?

Bye Kevin. Feel free to stay away.

We are grateful BTW for your letting this stupid thread run on and on and on. I for one think airing of the particular issues discussed herein is for the greater good of both sites, and for the community at large. Thank you for this open unhampered forum.

Glad your feeling a bit better and can get out. Sitting at Hot Male and watching the boys go to work is fun. If you stay up late enough you can sit there again at 1am as they leave work. Many times you can now pick up a boy and not pay the off fee as they head home and look for last minute client.

All said Before. Your lips keep moving BUT.........

It is self-reinforcement. It's a generous attempt to stay positive about a board in limbo. Without the donations, there's no telling how long the "other site" will last. One health care crisis, which can come any day now, will most likely be the end. Mark these words: the week after that place closes, this bar will be packed. The escort-loving queens need to talk, and they'll gather at the most convenient location where the talk is cheap.

JUST CHECKING !!!!!!

You truly are a useless troll. Why don't you shut your computer off for a week and maybe we'll get a report from Lurker!

"If you care to" are the key words here. Who on earth wants to do a 15-year search over at the "other site?" Spend just 3-minutes with the software's "Search" feature, and you'll quickly realize that The Judas Cradle from Medieval times would be a far more enjoyable form of torture. As much as I respect Adam's intelligence, this quote is playing havoc on my recent brow furrow Botox treatment. While it's true that the "conversations" in the early Hooboy days were often wordy and spirited, there was a group of haters, which included the self-haters, that made the board a very unwelcome place for anyone with a thinner skin or any decent guy who respected gentlemanly behavior. If you didn't know how to swim with sharks or deal with evil, hateful queens, you would not last long. I've talked about this before: Benjamin Nicholas was the only reason I joined the Hooboy site. I had been an avid reader of the review site for years, but I always disliked the tone of the forum and never joined. Several of the haters were out to tar and feather BN, simply because he enjoyed gossip. They found that so offensive, coupled by the fact that he was selling himself as high-end. BN's marketing concept deserved scrutiny, but I saw and appreciated his fundamental talents. As a secret fan, I joined Hooboy's forum to challenge the haters, and within six short months, I aged ten years. I suspect many of the haters from those bygone days have died. When a personality is so cancerous, which is the lifeblood of many TROLLS, it eventually affects their health. And then they expire. These are not happy folks with productive lives we are talking about. IMO, Daddy got rid of many of the miserable, self-hating, troublemakers. With Time-Outs and Bannings, he cleared the board. It took a long time. Many of the assholes were TROLL ADDICTS, similar to the current ONE that continues to spread his particular style of plague. Avoiding the meme "Breakdown" and ignoring the countless "freedom of speech" screams, Daddy helped foster a new esprit de corps, which I hear is quite evident at the Palm Springs events. Yes, the ones Lucky started. Daddy's board is at its best when the TROLLs are banned, and most serious thinkers know this and say so privately. Unfortunately, expert moderation is not easy to come by. Good moderation requires time, energy, and writing skill. You have to know how to manage personalities, which is a talent, and who wants to manage a bunch of loud mouth, egotistical drag queens, especially when the work won't yield much profit. Escort chat is no longer the novelty it once was. How many times can you ask the same questions over and over again? The answers get regurgitated, so the board can't really be what it once was. I see little point in looking backwards. There still is promise. The career of escorting will never die. Gay men will always have a need to talk about their research and their adventures. They will always support a worthwhile forum effort. We just have to wait for someone to create one.

Russian meddling?

Amusingly, I glanced through a string in the other forum entitled "Do you forgive and forget or hold a grudge?". In it, Guy Fawkes, who I'm assuming is the man who runs the site, writes, literally, "I forgive and forget; it's not worth holding on to the negativity." This from the man who's apparently banned a number of posters permanently.

Well, I don't know how considerable your considerable assets are, but if you have $1 million to invest (or even $500,000 in certain instances), there is the EB-5 visa program which will give a green card to those investing in businesses which will employ at least 10 American workers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa

The only "advantage" of the other site I've heard, other than traffic, so far, is that they allow posts to be altered indefinitely, and this site limits the time one can alter one's posts (I thought it was an hour, but someone else said 30 minutes). If that's an advantage, it seems to be a pretty minor one. One could also argue that limiting the amount of time one can alter's one's posts keeps things more honest. Clearly, the major difference is that of traffic/participation. Paranoia can definitely reach insanity, however. No sane person would ever confuse a photo of a model who happened to have a fully clothed toddler son in the background as kiddie porn. If I were playing the $100,000 Pyramid, I would not list that action if the category were "Things sane people do." The photo was from the model's own Facebook page, for Christ's sake. Another time he banned me for a month because I posted a picture of an FTM man which showed the man's vulva (not open or anything). He allows pictures of penises and has NO rules against posting pictures of vulvas. I don't know the reason for such a rule, which he obviously has in his head. However, instead of politely saying "I know that this is not in the list of rules I have at the top of this forum, but in the future would you mind not posting photos including female genitalia?" he chose to ban me for a non-existent rule, without so much as a notice. This is not just extremely rude (especially to a fruitful contributor), but quite insane as well, as I see it. The only one with cause to be "paranoid" is the hapless contributor who never knows what's going to set him off. But this "paranoia" would be based on real facts and past behaviors, rather than on unfounded imagination. Whenever I'm over there, I feel I'm walking on eggshells, and never know what's going to set him off.

I only mean that forum had a greatly higher quantity of higher-quality conversation under HooBoy's intelligent, light-handed management than under daddy's totalitarian, pointlessly ham-fisted, essentially witless style of moderation. And that I think the decline in quality of participation, and the steady departure of longtime substantive participants noted in a post above, is direct evidence of the chilling quality of his moderation style. I did not mean to address you condescendingly. If I did, I apologize. For you personally I have only the highest regard, as you know.

I detest the man. I detest Trump. But, one friend said it very well. He said, "look, I'm getting what I wanted from Trump and that is conservative justices on the bench. That is all I care about." And, he is right. There was an article in the NYT yesterday about more justices being approved at a faster rate than anytime in the last 50 years. IMHO, this is the big story of the Trump election. He will set up back 30 years just with this. IMHO

You only need to look back, if you care to, at 15-year-ago-plus content still archived on the M4M forums to see the tragic comedown from then to now, there. And if the difference in content quality There vs. Here today is not visible -- or not important -- to you, then I do not know what to say.

With all due respect, it's a bit more complicated than that. Daddy is very low on cash. In the wake of the Rentboy fiasco, he's particularly paranoid about the legal issues associated with photo uploads. He simply can't afford the Feds breathing down his site. He can't afford the hint of any fines. It's not a good idea to take Daddy's decisions too personally. He pays the bills for owning and maintaining his site, and none of us knows what it's like to do business in his shoes.

Oh Adam, I think that train left the station a long time ago. Hooboy had a clever idea, but he died without health care and a will. Let's not place him too high on a pedestal. Otherwise, we end up looking silly.

Really Adam? You are not the only one, it looks like many are picking reasons to explain the other site success that make you feel better, rather than actually trying to assess reality. So I let you feel better.

Just a few things I find frustrating. If you make a post and hit submit, and decide that you want to add something or delete a comment, or realize that you've made a spelling or grammatical error, you can't after 30 mins. The software prevents any changes. If you decided to delete the thread or post altogether, even within the allotted time, once you have submitted it, the software doesn't allow it, it forces you to post something. YouTube videos aren't always compatible and every so often, I can't get one to post at all. I don't know why there is more traffic there and more participation, I just don't have that answer, but there is. The energy and topics are more diverse in all the forums, and the posters more interesting. The 'Political Forum' alone is worth the price of entry. That's just how I see it. AS and Lars were a great loss, people should be thankful that they are here. And lastly, I personally like the admins style of moderation. I think sometimes a stricter hand keeps those that behave badly off the site. Is it too much sometimes, perhaps, but in the end, it makes for a more civil atmosphere. There are no right answers here, some like it, others don't. You prefer it here, I prefer it there. It's not really worth debating.

Come to think, I was a little bit put out in my 20s at not myself having been the object of (much of) any such attempt.

Oh I see my old nemesis Lucky is back, and lookin for a fight... One day you praise me, and the next day you Slam me... One thing has nothing to do with another, and nothing Hypocritical about it. I may not like Daddy or his admin style, but I enjoy his product, and am glad to be able to post there, which is mostly pics... Unlike YOU, who is UNable to post there, but still desperately wants to... I mean afterall, I dont like YOU, yet I still reply to your absurd comments.... I am able to separate 1 thing from another. Apparently you CANT ? And really Lucky, I give ZERO fucks about YOUR thoughts on my sincerity.

"OH MY" !!!!!

Is his name "Bernice" ?

I guess any news sells. You go to a man's apartment, have a few drinks, and then are surprised when the person starts getting frisky? How ridiculous. Is it getting to the point where we're going to have to get signed releases every time we want to touch someone? Truly absurd what passes as news.

Looks like, today, 2 gay men in a bar having several drinks, couldn’t possibly make a move towards each other, in fear that the first one to make a move will find the other one suing. This is getting ridiculous.

That's kind of my point. Outright assault, such as rape, is a crime. Copping a feel, or groping, just doesn't ring with tragedy like rape does. And events over 20 or 30 years old, especially if a one-off type of incident, are being given just as much sense of shame as the rapes and harassment that made women feel like third class citizens. Abuse of power in employment has always been with us.

Corey was one of my dreamboats. (You are showing your age, my dear! )

Tired of the pointless nasty comments. Suspended for one month. Feel free to return then or feel free to not.

...read this across the bottom of my television screen all today. ...kept saying to myself: FUCK TRUmp and those friggin' repressive policies. I'm going when I want to and return back as well. I'll stay in places where I damn well please as well as eat at restaurants of my chosing. Might have to travel to Mexico and go that way if he fucks up the current airline routes. I'm seriously thinking about going in March of next year. I'll book my own flights, travel and stay with a family or perhaps in an Airbnb apartment, tour on my own with a guide in Havana to places of my own interest, then join my People-to-People tour. Trump is NOT good for this country or for the world in general. I truly wish something bad would happen to this prick! He's been one hell of an incompetent "leader" for one whole year way too long! THANKS for posting what you did!

Gosh, Kevin, don't you realize that you are a superhuman? Regular people probably need to sleep after some 20 hours of flying and a 2 a.m. arrival at their hotel. You have to factor that in. LOL

Being from the state of Alabama and having many friends there now, I do believe that no matter what is said or done that Roy Moore will still get elected to the Senate to fill the seat the Sessions left. They have a really great Democrat candidate but that does not matter.