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During my fun in the saunas i had the opportunity to speak with some garotos and some local customers (i can speak a kind of average portuguese and i tend to be confused as a local too). Sometime i read posts about people overpaying garotos... I don't want to talk about the problems that people may have with their ego, but please...DO NOT OVERPAY GAROTOS, especially in saunas. This is not only to preserve the business which depends on the locals and their spending capacity (quite low because of the crysis), but also for your own personal safety. 1) Garotos are in saunas to work, following saunas rules and standards. If you overpay them, you will not get a better service. If you lowball them you will get a bad service. Pay the standard going rate, or make a deal but do not try to get a rate lower than R$100 2) Garotos see you as living Mastercards. Overpay them and the only thing you'll get is FAKE INTEREST. A guy will stay with you for money, because it's working...a guy will stay with you for free, because he really likes you. You are the ATM, they are your toys. Period. 3) Acting like a gringo in a sauna and overpaying garotos will just make you look ridiculous, and trust me...garotos talk about customers. It's quite funny to see tourists who can't speak a work of portuguese, smiling when garotos at the table are making jokes about him in portuguese. You'll also get some weird looks from locals if you act stupid. Remember that respect in Brazil is extremely important. They're very welcoming but keep your egos for yourself. 4) Outside saunas, if you wanna hang out with a GP from Grindr....do not give them the idea that you have money to waste (the GP will make this link in his mind: Overpay->TONS OF MONEY). You'll increase the risk of getting mugged or worse. Remember that outside saunas, you have to expect everything.

I not only 110% agree with you i have been saying the same thing for years! I have a good friend, naive but good person who feels the need to not only overpaybut give gifts to even the guys he doesnt go with! One evening i was sitting with a group of them and i was surprised to hear them say "he is just a fool to give his money and gifts to us!" They did not appreciate his generosity but also did the bare minimum in the bedroom for the quickest time! Throwing money around in Brazil does not buy you respect!

I'd LOVE to become a slave to a COCK....but sadly I'm a bit too OLD for that now. 2 minutes of sucking and my jaw hurts and I want to take a nap ! Ah Yes, the wonderful golden years....

Tom, I completely agree with you! The boys do not respect you because of your money! In fact they may start to think you are an easy target if you continually over pay, flash excessive cash and give in to their petty demands! Pay the going rate and even try to negotiate down in my opinion. Some of the middle class boys on the apps will appreciate gifts, dinners and the whole "boyfriend experience". Unfortunately, most of the toys will not, most are just gay for pay and if you continue to make yourself appear weak and an easy target you may end up in a very bad situation. Not to mention you ruin the market, when barely passable 6 guys are asking for $100 USD in the DR you know something is extremely wrong. You are already giving these boys 1-2 days worth of work for giving their bodies to you for an hour spending any more will just result in diminishing returns.

Or you could just stop being another entitled "ugly American" and learn another fucking language, the native one of the country you're actually visiting.

Welcome to the joys of retirement. When I retired I moved from San Francisco to Ft. lauderdale. When it came time to pack up for the move, I suddenly realized I had enough junk to fill an 18 wheeler. I then made a decision. If it doesn't fit in the car, it isn't going. Now I have become very much a minimalist. Kitchen table, pull out sofa, lounge chair. Barely a nik nak or picture. Now instead of spending all my time doing housework, I sit by the pool, read books, walks at the beach, go to the movies. I remember with the passing of my parents the time spent cleaning out the house. My mother was a saver. It took a month for my sisters and myself to pack everything up. I decided I didn't want that with my passing. I figure my sister can empty my place in about 2 hours. Enjoy your retirement, don't become a slave to your home in old age. If you don't need it, get rid of it. You worked hard to get to this point. I've now found time to spend 6 months of the year living in Bangkok. I won't tell you what my hobby is here

I've seen both the guy in the middle and the one on the right at Club 117, so between Tom and myself, we can vouch that all three have worked the saunas. The one on the right I keep in touch with through Facebook, but haven't seen him since 2014 or 2015, which is when he was last at 117, although that itself was after a hiatus of several years. He's trying to get me to visit Rio in June, which he says is during his birthday. Assuming that's true, I take that to mean, "please spend a lot on me because it's my birthday!"