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Clearly tomcal and Oz are in a league of their own. And I'm beginning to wonder if even Oz could keep up with him on a sustained basis. (Sorry Oz but it had to be said.)

in Centro close to MM there are several large hotels, but I don't remember their names but all are on Rua General Vargas the main throughfare thru downtown.you could go on google earth type in MM address and see the hotels that are a few blocks away! You can try but the guys have to work a minimum of 3 hours so they start somewhere between 5 to 6:30 and are gone by 8:30 / 9:00 unless you prearrange something, but a sauna after 10:00 is pretty dead unless there is some special event going on.

I got to Rio yesterday and the guy from Sao Paulo flew in and the guy from Belo Horzonte and the guy who lives in Rio all arrived within a1/2 hour of each other. the guy who lives in Rio has a new car so he drove us to 117 to meet up with a American friend. None of the 3 guys wanted to go to the sauna, they didn't feel the need since we were all together at the apt., and 2 no longer work the saunas but I said lets just go as clients you don't have to get undressed and have a drink with my friend and then we can go. We met up with FloridaRob and his very cute BF from Mexico there. it was a semi slow night maybe 20 working guys, and the 15 or so customers kept staring and smiling at the two guys from S.P. and Belo Horzonte who were with me as they haven't been seen there before. we ran into ricardo there, who had stayed at the apt. the previous visit and he asked if he could join us....we said yes even thou that complicates and crowds the sleeping arrangements but he is a lot of fun, we went to dinner around 9:00 to Rayz in Ipanema and after that had drinks at the gay bar ToNemAi just down the street. As the 5 of us were walking back to the apartment which is about 4 blocks from where we were, we were laughing a lot and didn't notice a guy was watching us about 50' away but one guy in our group did, and said he was HOT! so he walked back to him while we waited and about one min. into the conversation they were kissing!! So he invited him back to join us and he readily agreed. I would guess he was late 20's incredible body and kinda of quite but definitely not shy! While we went in to take showers he was blowing one of the guys while the other one fucked him! we all six eventually made it into the bedroom together and it was a unexpected but great night! I love Rio! 1

Bobbalino, I don't begrudge them their well-earned money, and the rates ARE low compared to anywhere in the US/ Europe. Fortunately, I also don't need to count my dollars. However, I do need to understand accepatble norms. I don't want to pay double the standard rates, and (at least way back) some members here maintained that too generous patrons raise demanded rates for everyone. Since garotos gossip incessantly about clients, it's quite easy to aquire a reputation of a sucker (no pun intended). On a different aspect, and please - no offense meant, I confess I have difficulties understanding parts of your "own quasi-manipulating non-malevolent play" in the first paragraph. Chapeau! almost Shakspeare-like prose..... (-:

"Fuck all you bitches..." "I wrote the book on comebacks."

Good to hear that. With so many guys trying to get the patrons' attention at the sauna, how does one select? Any signs to watch out f You will have no problem picking your guy. Go in the place, undress in locker room, walk around, check out the sauna, get a drink at the bar, relax a little, sit by a guy you like and make eye contact. Guys will come up and say hello to you, it will be pretty obvious and you can't miss it. Some may be shy, some more forceful, just go with what you are comfortable with. On your second visit you will be an old hag at this and giving other people advice! (The top three threads on Rio are good so read them, even if they are a few years old).