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I agree these two mentioned examples do not indicate 100% participation, but, they did resist. I am suggesting a goal of 100% participation, although I realize the unlikelihood of achieving that goal. Still, goals and challenges are to be embraced if mankind is to advance. You should know by now I am no Pollyanna but I do ordinarily have high expectations for folks, especially if given the proper and correct leadership and inducement. Best regards, RA1