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While the post from badboy81 is good, let me expand on two items he said: 1. "If you speak NO Portuguese, this is pointless outside of saunas unless you want sex...if you are looking for companionship from a garoto and want to spend that much money to basically not communicate, best regards to you..." 2. "They are safe inside the saunas, outside the saunas, they are not monitored and they do not leave id cards in the saunas...." 1. With so many smart phones in use today by both garotos and clients, it is not difficult to communicate with garotos via one of the apps available on most phones. The apps allow the American to say something in English and the app will translate it to Portuguese both in writing and verbally via an audible telephone microphone. Then, the garoto who speaks Portuguese (but no English) will say something in Portuguese that will come out in English, both in writing and verbally on the same telephone microphone. True, it is slow to communicate this way but there is communication. It is also a way to get to know the garoto better. 2. While it is true that the garoto does not leave his i d card with the sauna, the sauna personnel photocopy the i d and file it along with the working application completed by the garoto. If there is ever a need for the garoto to be located (for good or bad reasons), having an actual copy of his i d aids with that process of locating the garoto. -

- Although it is good to be cautious about taking garotos away from the sauna, it is also good to look at the history of other forum posters who have reported their “away from sauna” experiences on this forum. For example, if you go back over some of the posts of tomcal, you will determine that, over many years, he often had various garotos visit him in his hotel and many of those garotos spent the night with him. He also reported that he maintains long-term contact with many garotos. I also have had similar experiences over the years in Brazil. Knowing when to invite a garoto is not something one can fully put into words. It is like a feeling you will (or will not) develop after you spend time with a garoto in a sauna or elsewhere. Some people call the feeling “chemistry” while others call the feeling being comfortable with the garoto. Again, going back over prior forum posts, you will see that there are several other posters who reported their experiences with garotos away from the saunas. Those posters did not report any problems from interacting with garotos away from the saunas. Even the owner of this site has posted his experiences having garotos visit with him in his hotels in Brazil. He has, to my knowledge, never had a problem having garotos visit him in this hotels. I know of only one bad experience of an American in Rio who took TWO guys to his hotel room. He did not previously know the two garotos. The American did not meet the garotos at a sauna. Rather, the American met the garotos on the street near a former hustler hangout in Copacabana. At the hotel, the American was given something referred to as “goodnight Cinderella” which is a powerful drug that incapacitates the victim for a day or so. The American had all his money, electronics and even his passport stolen. This is the only case that I personally know of which occurred a long time ago. The above described event could have been prevented. First, the American was not familiar with Brazil and he was, in my opinion, foolish to take back to his hotel simultaneously, two garotos he had just met on the street. On the other hand, I (and many Americans I know) have taken garotos to my hotels and never had a problem. Like I said previously, it is a matter of chemistry between you and the garoto. Most people can tell if they are getting along with a garoto. Most people can sense whether there is danger. Another factor to consider when thinking of inviting a garoto away from the sauna is to select a garoto who works regularly in the saunas. The “regular” garotos do not want to cause problems for themselves. Problems with clients could cause the sauna owners to ban the garoto from a sauna. Garotos make money from the saunas on a regular basis. If a garoto were to rob you (or worse), how much would the garoto get? Perhaps some cash and a telephone or a lap top? The value of those items would not be equal to or worth future lost earnings for the garoto. Getting banned from a sauna would mean losing a lot more than the one-time gain from stealing from one client. If you meet a garoto in the sauna and if you build a rapport to a point you want to invite the garoto to dinner or to a club or even to spend the night with you, probability wise, you would be safe. As to a "going rate" there is none. It would depend on you and the garoto. Some garotos are happy just to be taken to a nice restaurant. Some are happy to make money away from a sauna. The rate would be proposed by the garoto. If the rate proposed by the garoto is acceptable to you, you go for it. With respect to your question concerning the Renaissance Hotel, I have never stayed there and do not know anything about it except for the fact it is part of the Marriott chain of hotels. If you are considering an over night with a garoto, you might want to look into other hotels or learn "clever" ways to get the garoto into your room. Getting past a hotel rule of "no visitors allowed" is not that difficult. After all, the rule is not law; it is a hotel rule. If you have "elite status" with Marriott, it is a lot easier to get a "forbidden" visitor to your room. Another thing about visitors to a guest's hotel room, there are alternatives to that. Brazil has many "hourly" hotels. If you want to visit with a garoto away from the saunas, you can go to hourly hotels and rent a room for one - to- four hours or for an entire day. I hope the above helps to assuage some of your concerns about your upcoming trip. Boa viagem -

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