Shall we go back to the topic at hand? Peter803, I think I can see where you are coming from in framing your initial two questions. But to be frank, after reading your other thread, the locale of your encounters may well prove irrelevant should you insist on those practices with the guys. In that case they will inevitably have their way with you, turning the tables. You can count on that. But perhaps this is what you are after in the first place LOL.