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Great feedback....that sounds like an extremely large amount of money compared to what I paid in July and October....I was starting to get worried because of my upcoming trip... My suspicion is exactly what you said, they saw him as an easy mark and told him double the standard price... I do know the prices can go higher if the client is deemed less attractive, a hassle or extremely overweight...BUT that is also not always the case... I would think with the increase of guys out of work and the fewer amount of locals going to the saunas less, the price would actually go down... Ill have more to report in a week or so when Im in Rio....

I have no photos to post here, but how things change over night :-) it's another I love Brazil moment only 3 days into my trip. First a shout out for hornet app, two years ago I met Raul in São Paulo through it, this year, Jose in Rio. He has the cutest face, among all the men I had the luck to know so far. if only he is taller, he could totally be a model, but he is only 5'7" ish. Which is perfect for me. He works for an insurance company, has photos on his Facebook where he presented for Petrabra clients. And for a 22 yo, he certainly has been to places, Paris, Manchu picchu, south Africa, Disney world not sure which one to name a few. And such a nice boy without any attitude. I messaged two boys close by that I really liked, and Jose responded. Sometimes good things just happen. Only in Brazil. I am already booking a second longer session before he heads to Paris again on Saturday to meet his "amigo". Monday night is MM night. Met two fellow forum participants there around 5:30. There are a lot of boys already, not many clients. Ihpguy said it's the economic depression. But the quality of the boys are not as good, both ihpguy and I agree on that. There is still just that one twink boy I really like, but he is a total top, so not happening with him :-( About 7, a slim smooth black boy caught my eye. He looks cute, fresh and nice. Thiago, I know there are many with that name. He even made a joke about himself when I faked disbelief when he said he is 20. He said, ok, I look like 9 :-) He doesn't, he looks like a teenager though, a good, simple joke even I can understand. It's a fairly good session even though he is not a seasoned bottom. He gives nice head, really tries to bottom, but it apparently hurts a lot. So I couldn't finish. we had a laugh and called it a day. He apologetically gave my dick a kiss before we left the room. Nice touch :-) I am about to leave for the night. A lot more boys came in! I really feel bad for them since they sure outnumbered the clients. The little thuggish boy I had some fun with came to say hello, and looks a little sad when I said not today. Then came in a white guy in his mid 20s. He really stands out among the boys, and mostly dark boys, as he looks well educated, I wouldn't use cute, handsome fits better. I am intrigued but after Jose in the morning, and Thiago just minutes ago, I decided to pass when I saw his middle section is a little soft. But I am surprised when he came over and started talking to me in English! He can totally carry a conversation. This is a first for me, I am quite turned on by this. We ended up in the bar area since he wants a beer. He is from Florianapolis, love women, but don't mind taking a pounding himself to make money. He used to work in logistics, but it only paid 1500 a month. I usually go for young looking slim twinks, but fucking a handsome straight man in his mid 20s seems really hot! He doesn't beg for it like many of the boys, just touching my legs a couple times and caressing my neck and face with his hand, I can smell the light cigarettes from his fingers. I also like his name, Gabriel. I really would never guessed that he likes getting fucked, he looks like a handsome straight mid class working man. To hear him say he would give me a nice blowjob and take it in the ass is a huge turn on. It's his first time in MM, I had to show him where the bar is, how much the going rates are, and we had to ask the attendant where is our room after we decided to go for it. He lives in São Paulo now, sometimes work in Lagoa, just in Rio for some business, heading back tomorrow. We found the room on top floor, and he is not lying, great head, put the condom on for me using his mouth, and take a good pounding without complaining. Afterwards he just lie there said time for a cigarette. As I tell him only in Brazil can you find straight boys gladly getting fucked for money then go back to chasing girls. He laughed and said, yeah, I love pussy and women, it's my instinct. Outside here I am fucking women, sometimes in the ass, but I like pussy better. inside here, I can be your bitch. Then he asked me for another beer, said he need some alcohol and a smoke break before he can take another cock. I gladly bought him another one. The most interesting fun fuck ever :-) A great day filled with sex and fun that can only happen in Brazil!

I just back from a 4 day trip to Havana. This is the second trip in 5 months. The first trip I rated 3 stars but have increased the rating to 4 stars after this trip since I think I have broken the code to find the guys that are descended from the William Levy gene pool. I did not have that luck on the first visit. I stayed in an apartment in Vedado. A one bedroom that had been completely renovated and cost $50 per night. The neighborhood is grand and must have been spectacular in the 30’s, when most of the Neoclassic mansions were built, up until the revolution. I ate breakfast each day at a cafe on the veranda of one of those mansion’s. The restaurant is called Topoly and is an Iranian restaurant, that played country music and was close to Martin Luther King Park. American breakfast was CUC4.95 and very good. Normally I do not eat a restaurants with pictures of their food in the menu. I contacted the guide Luis again who has been discussed on this site and he is a definite hire for a first time visitor or in my case a second time visitor. There was a small hotel a few blocks from the apartment that was a wifi hotspot. I had to pay 3CUC for a hour on the Internet card. But the person selling them was not there everyday so I bought several for this visit and future ones. I only went to one club Las Vegas since Humbolt is still closed. Another club was mentioned by Luis but he did not seem really excited about it so do not remember the name. I have never been to Bim Bom because Luis said my type of guy rarely goes there. So I do not know about the CUC20 payment for a guy because I have always paid CUC40 or CUC50. How I broke the Willam Levy code was by calling the only really hot guy I had sex with on my first trip and told him what I wanted. I told him that he could, if he wished, be part of the sex with the with the guys he introduced me to on this trip. So my escort cost was CUC100 per session because I had two guys. A note I have had threesomes in Brazil with two macho activo guys but never had them interact with each other as the threesomes in Havana. There was a lot of kissing between all three of us. I was the only one fucked but it was really hot to see the interaction between the other two guys. I had four threesomes and two one on ones. Sorry I don’t take pictures but here is a brief description. My locator is 6 foot, 180 pounds with a good 8 inches, European decent and very short dark brown hair. My additional partners. One was 6’2” malato and 190 pounds of muscle with 9 inches an absolutely stunning guy. Who spoke English with no accent, had a beautiful smile and really sexy deep voice. I had sex with him twice in one day. It was quite a threesome he really new how to fuck and I was blowing the other guy and they both came at the same time. He has already emailed me and I will stay in touch with him. He is male runway model material. Another guy was 6 foot, 185 pounds, 6 inches (I am still not convinced that the average size in Cuba comes anywhere close to Brazil or the DR), European decent and really handsome. A guy you would see in Miami or LA. Closely cut chest hair and that thick wavy dark brown hair. He is a great kisser and really pays attention to you. He did not fuck me, it was a mutual hand jobs between the 3 of us. The other guy was very attractive but not memorable because he had no dick. The last guy was just as stunning as the malato guy. He has the same build, dick was the same size and a nice low cut beard and of European decent with blondish/brown hair. He was great in bed and he was alone with me. My taste is activo guys who are built, hung and macho. I enjoyed going to dinner with 3 of the guys. Had dinner at 2 restaurants one was great and the other which was rated number one on Trip Advisor was over priced and very disappointing. So I will increase my ranking to 4 stars from 3 stars after my second visit. It is still not Brazil or the DR in my opinion when it comes to the type of guys I like. But I do believe I have broken the William Levy code. I saw the pictures in the other Havana post and those just are not my type of guys and I think it is why I was not happy the first trip. But if you like that type of guy they are widely available and probably you can get away with CUC20. I would like to know from that poster the average size he found on those guys just to help in my conclusion that the Cuban Pinga we all have dreamed of really is not a myth and more common. Further to my advice in the first post. If you can travel without checking a bag that would be smart, since it can take over an hour for your bag to show up. Plus the USA charters will change you $20.00 for a checked bag. I will be back in Havana in a few months.

I was in Porto Alegre at the end of November/early December I was always quoted 100 R$ in a sauna I was quoted 70 R$ and, on one occasion, 60 R$ on the street I did however tip them handsomely for good work - occ giving 200 or 300 R$ I imagine the news got round as I recall one guy, who I was with, getting WhatsApp messages whilst we were together - I was described as the "gringo de Londres" - he said his friends were jealous! That said, no one quoted anything other than 100 R$ The guy told me that they charge Brazilians 50 R$ ...and even then, clients often manage to hammer them down to 40 R$. I did go with one really beautiful guy. He quoted 100 R$. But once we were in the room, he said he'd only be "passivo" for 200 R$. He pulled the same trick again when he spent the night with me. We'd agreed 400 R$. But once we were in bed at my hotel, he starts google translating something along the lines of "I don't normally ejaculate for 400. But I will for 650!". Well I couldn't care less whether he ejaculates or not... but I did think - if this is how your business model, you need to see why it doesn't really work long term. I gave him the 650 R$. He messaged me a number of times telling me he'd be in the sauna again. I saw him there. I ignored him.

Thanks for the insider information on pricing. I was hoping to hear about the ongoing price before my trip, but didn't find much updates here. Good to know. I suppose the boys could see me as an easy mark since I speak little Portuguese, comes to Brazil once a year (I try my best, due to limited vacation days) and all my encounters here in MM and 117 are first time. Thanks for your advice, mvan1. I wouldn't know how to say "you are joking", even if I do, that seems a little harsh. For me, 100 at MM and 150 at 117 is rather acceptable. I am certainly not a good bargainer. I have never walked away from a boy if we talked more than a minute and shared a kiss. I don't go to 117 much in previous years, I have always been asked for higher price there. One reason I prefer São Paulo, where the boys are more to my liking, and the asking price has always been 100, with a few smaller twinks asking for 80 at fragata. I never had to bargain there at all. Anyhow, it's very nice for you guys to share the price you pay. Skipped sauna Wednesday since I had a date with Jose in a love hotel right by Metro Gloria. The 4 hour room costs more than nightly price of the hotel, but I don't want to bother with front desk asking if I can have a guest. Love the huge mirror on the ceiling:-) I wouldn't say how much I paid him, but he is even a better boyfriend experience than Raul in São Paulo two years ago, so I paid him accordingly. I have taken two sauna boys and two non-sauna boys into hotels in the past few years, while the sex are all good, the experience with non-sauna boys are certainly more satisfying. Perhaps it has something to do with that they are gay (both times i found them on hornet). There are tender eye contact and gentle touches I just don't find with sauna boys. It's less business like i suppose, those little things make it much more satisfying. Also I get to flip through their Facebook posts, both Raul and Jose have much more colorful life recorded there than maikon and Jesse. For the boys I like enough to take outside sauna, price is not much a concern. After all, I am only doing it a couple times a year, they don't even add up to the plane ticket. I consider myself lucky meeting Raul and Jose at a certain time in their life, when they don't mind share it with me for a few short moments. Raul has been in a happy relationship so he is no longer available. Jose broke up with his boyfriend of 3 years a few months back and is in between jobs. His bad luck opens window of opportunity for me. This is a big reason why I love Brazil, the boys here are very open minded as to sex for money. I know a friend ( never slept with) still enrolled in one of the best universities in São Paulo, he doesn't look down on prostitution at all. He thinks it's a reward for being good looking and taking care of your body. Of course, the price has to be worthwhile. It's just a mindset day and night different from North America. I remember CTV Canada was interviewing people on the street when the Supreme Court Canada ruled that the existing prostitution law in Canada violates the freedom charter of constitution and must be revised. The uglier the person being interviewed, the more outraged they seem to be :-) Jose is flying to Paris on Saturday, so I am planning to get together with him again on Friday if possible. Today is sex free day to recoup :-)

Thanks again for your interesting report. I quoted only a portion of your report because I think the quoted portion needs discussion and clarification with respect to pricing of garotos for foreigners. You wrote "The initial price for foreign clients seem to be 200 these days." I am in Brazil quite a bit (130+ trips to Brazil and usually for two or three weeks at a time). I spend more than half of my Brazil time in Sao Paulo but I also spend time in other Brazilian cities. I was in Rio last month. I am not Brazilian. I have never been asked for R$200 by any garoto in the Rio saunas, or Brazilian saunas in any other city, at any time. I think it is probable that the garotos who asked you for that much money were trying to take advantage of you. Don't forget, just as we talk about garotos, garotos talk about us, the clients. If a garoto told one of his friends that he got R$200 from you, the word would get out that you pay that price. Other garotos negotiating with you will ask you for a similar price. On the other hand, it has been eleven days since I was last in Brazil. Maybe the pricing has increased during that short time period, although I doubt it. The next time a garoto asks you for that much money, laugh at him and tell him he is joking. The garoto knows he is trying to manipulate you. Even though you wrote foreigners, how much do you think Brazilian clients pay garotos for time in the sauna suites? By the way, even at Lagoa, in Sao Paulo (where stunning gorgeous garotos are found) none of them ask for R$200. If that were the current new price, I would certainly know about it. -

Since when is the going rate 200 reais?

The pictures represent my likes and thank goodness we all have different tastes .... I like brown skin and monkey looking (no disrespect to my monkies) All the boys go to Bim Bom at one point or another, don't let them tell you otherwise.... file that away with the typical Thai lie that they are going back to the farm when you leave,lol I'm not a size queen but I've realized I am more than I like to think. I would put any of the Cubans I've met against their counterparts in Brazil. Now keep this in mind..... If you are very tall in USA , most people will ask if you play basketball.... because tall guys play basketball. In brasil or Cuba, even DR.... if you have a big dick, you know you can make money in the sex trade....so is where you find big ones and many people assume ALL cubans/ Brasilians have huge ones.... I've met non working guys in both places at gay bars/discos and know that's not true..... I've been going to Cuba for about 16 or 17 years now and have seen how things have changed..... some guys had my friend from the last trip that the going rate was higher than 20cuc, he believed them and paid it.... Given the cost of living in Cuba and average salaries.... I have yet to see a guy ultimately turn down 20cuc...... Guys that my friend overpaid, wanted to return with him again for 20 knowing that I had educated him on the correct price. I have a Mexican friend that goes every 6 weeks and he offers 15 cuc ( He likes dark chocolate, nice guys but not my flavor) and doesn't take them to eat or buy drinks......another guy from Mexico offers 10 cuc and they say no.... but in the end, 10 is better than zero and they give in... that's just being cheap. The wifi cards cost 2 cuc, many people will buy them and sell them all up and down La Rampa for 3 cuc all day long so we don't have to wait in any line at Etecsa. What do you pay the guys in Rio? I went to the other bar Mixto....was nice but I didn't stay, no white rum being sold, all gold, or aged. My recommendation is go to Bim Bom, don't rely on hearsay that your type won't be there....